WTF 5.7
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Sup /k/, I've got a question. I've been lurking and casual posting for about 2 years now, and have seen countless pistol caliber threads, all arguing about 9mm, 10mm, .45 and so on. Only every now and then did I see 5.7 mentioned and it was generally in passing, so I never looked closer.
Upon further inspection, it seems to have been HAILED as categorically better by all examinations than the other available options, with literal bans pushed for legislation cuz it's that fooking good.
Now, I'm just reading wikipedia, so many things could be overlooked.
SO WHY THE FUCK ISNT EVERY THREAD TALKING/BRAGGING/DICKWAVING ABOUT 5.7?
I'm genuinely curious.
>also post pics of your glorious 5.7s and convince me why I shouldn't choose it as my first pistol
>>30377353
It's a meme round. It barely performs as well as they claim and even still, it's intended to be used with AP rounds that you can't legally buy. So what's the fucking point?
>>30377353
Because, it sucks. Also it's too god damn expensive for such a shit tier round.
It has no range or accuracy, everything that runs it is stupid expensive, and the cartridge itself is as well.
Just buy a fucking 9mm, it does the same as every other handgun cartridge.
If you really want to be that guy, go .50AE or .500S&W.
>>30377353
Because people tried to ram it down /k/'s throat years ago.
>>30377368
>because meme
quit that shit and explain it
inb4 Marisa
its really lighht weight and topheavy and the sites are really high im excited to see if we will get the 7.5 brno in the us
>>30377368
It says testing was done and performance was better, where is the evidence it doesnt? Can't find anything saying otherwise. Also, recoil is significantly less, so isn't that the same reason people tout 9mm over 10mm head?
Surely that same logic would apply to 5.7, even a marginal difference is enough to warrant one option over the objectively poorer performing round?
I'm just confused as to EVEN IF they only performed as well as 9mm, why the extra ammo capacity and recoil doesn't cause the unbelievable amounts of autism that goes on in pistol caliber threads
I've shot one and found it quite pleasant to shoot and quite accurate. I found the safety to be weird to manipulate. As far as the cartridge, it's relatively unproven and there is very little real world data to be found as far as I know as far as its lethality goes. It is a very small, very light round going very fast. My concern is that despite its speed, it is just too light and small of a bullet to have as reliable lethality as your major proven calibers.
Then there's cost....it's pricey and not too many companies make loads for it.
>>30377374
>no range or accuracy
Not trying to be contrary, but if all the government's were like duck yeah its good, why would these factors go overlooked?
Also, whas the actual difference in make that makes a round AP vs nonAP?
>>30377412
Autocorrect
>>30377410
I mean it's barely smaller than .223, and reports having it deliver as much energy as 9mm if not more, has ballistic testing been done and publised?
What has your experience been in that regard?
>>30377353
>it seems to have been HAILED as categorically better by all examinations than the other available options
"Other available options" in this case means "4.6x30", which makes such a declaration perfectly reasonable.
>literal bans pushed for legislation
Because liberals don't know anything.
>cuz
>fooking
You are fucking underage.
>>30377412
Same reason why shit guns go into service when there are objectively better guns in competition.
It's all money and politics.
Look, if you want a 5.7, go fuck your brains out with some 5.7 dude. I'm just giving you the information you asked for. Do with it what you will and go find your dream gun broski.
It's just IMHO that you'll be wasting a ton of money on bullshit.
Go look at prices for an FN 5.7, and then the ammo it takes, and then check out prices for a Springfield 1911A1 and some steel cased .45ACP.
Do you want to learn how to shoot or fuckin' meme around like a dick?
>>30377472
Okay, that's a fair assessment of some of my points, but I'd still like to know why the benefits of extra ammo and reduced recoil seem to be outweighed by everyone saying "muh performance" without much actual data to counter the different reports made previously. The only thing I can find is a YouTube video of literally only 6 shots in ballistic gel, hardly a sample size worth deriving a significance from
>you're underage
Fuck you, is that better
>>30377499
In all fairness, the price point holds a lot of weight, and thank your for the constructive replies.
In refence to the info you gave me, all you said was that it wasn't accurate and had low range.
Others say otherwise on accuracy and I dunno about range. I'm rather frustrated that there is so little experimental evidencephalitis and more people just saying it's good or bad. All websites with a hit seem to just be Fudd arguing about how it should work vs what they've heard
>>30377522
A loose comparison would go something like this. Take a 5.56 cartridge, cut off half of the casing, with a slightly larger diameter projectile. Stick it in an average pistol length barrel. Do you think it would do all that well?
Imean, I'm sure it does all right in a P90 running full auto, and your engaging close range, but is it really worth it when the tax payers aren't buying your ammunition?
>>30377506
A few extra rounds and 2/3 the recoil of 9x19 is the reason why I actually LIKE the fucking cartridge and like the ideas of a variety of wildcats based off its base diameter.
The problem is that there IS a bunch of actual data of actual shootings and its performance is decidedly wanting.
This could only be expected, because agency shootings involving the cartridge are likely to be fired using FN factory ball and AP ammunition, which - especially in the case of the AP ammunition - are likely to icepick things relatively ineffectually.
Given that service handgun cartridges universally have dismal terminal performance in the first place, something which performs yet a margin worse than that tends to make people dependent on it to save their lives more than a little nervous.
Terminal ballistics problems can to an extent be solved with certain aftermarket ammunition, but as of yet no load that I have seen is capable of consistently meeting the 12" FBI minimum gel requirement, which is distinctly worrying.
Ignore the fucker who thinks 5.7 is inaccurate and has "no range", he doesn't know anything either.
Finally, fuck you, you're fifteen, you need to learn to shut the fuck up and go learn shit for a couple years before spouting retarded shit in public. Do you have a younger brother that can't shut up about his great ideas? That's you right now.
>>30377544
>slightly larger diameter projectile
Confirmed for knowing fuck all.
>>30377544
>muh price point
price per round is comparable to 5.56
>larger diameter projectlie
they are the same diameter
>>30377572
>>30377556
Here come the meme fags to defend their precious little shit round
5.7 blows just sell your paperweights and accept defeat
>>30377579
>defend
The nigger didn't even read my post.
What a surprise, given that he's an ignorant faggot.
>>30377579
>paperweight
it's way lighter than your pistol :^)
>>30377588
>Light is better
Be a man you meme
>>30377585
Someone is upset that they bought an FN and regret it
>>30377598
You might want to ACTUALLY READ MY POST given that you continue make a fucking fool out of yourself and believe I was defending 5.7x28.
>>30377593
but what if I'm trying to go FAAAAAAAAAAAST
>>30377556
>I like it because of the recoil, even though that is a subjective point in response to an ovjective inquiry thread
K
>The problem is that there IS a bunch of actual data of actual shootings and its performance is decidedly wanting.
Like I've said before, have looked for this, cannot find it, please link if you'll claim. I'm not asking to be given things because I haven't looked, I'm asking because some people on this board are informed on shut I don't know, and I'd like them to share
>Finally, fuck you, you're fifteen, you need to learn to shut the fuck up and go learn shit for a couple years before spouting retarded shit in public. Do you have a younger brother that can't shut up about his great ideas? That's you right now
See this shit right here is what pisses me off. You gave a constructive reply, and then fucked it over because you are so full of yourself. Your complaining about me knowing nothing and that I should go learn when I'M LITERALLY ASKING FOR INFO THIS WHOLE THREAD. I'm not spouting retarded shit in public, I'm asking people on a Haitian pogo jumping forum things about firearms that I don't know.
>hurr he said Fook and cuz
Yeah I put some casual words in my response because I'm on mobile and I felt like it and didn't know his majestic would be reading the thread.
Yeah I'm asking for a little spoonfeeding "cuz" I'm new to firearms, I tried google, and didn't get much, and that's part of why this board exists, for discussion. Am I probably a little butthurt, yeah cuz faggots like you are sitting up my thread
>>30377603
Y u so upset m8 just calm down im sure someone will buy all ur memes on armslist
>>30377624
This is why you never listen to meme dicks.
This is what 5.7 does to people.
>>30377624
Holy shit, half your reply was flipping out because I was ribbing the living shit out of you.
Oops kek.
>>30377624
Also:
>I like it because of the recoil, even though that is a subjective point in response to an ovjective inquiry thread
>>30377506
>Okay, that's a fair assessment of some of my points, but I'd still like to know why the benefits of extra ammo and reduced recoil seem to be outweighed by everyone saying "muh performance"
>benefits of extra ammo and reduced recoil
>>30377556
>A few extra rounds and 2/3 the recoil of 9x19 is the reason why I actually LIKE the fucking cartridge
Of course I'm going to reply to that shit you shitbird. :^)
I can't handle all this "exdee meme" shit on here
fucking summer
also the fucking noguns who said 5.7 was inaccurate, wtf?
>>30377664
Probably because it's inaccurate in CS:GO or something.
Iunno, summer I guess.
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=10218
Not sure if this is what you wanted but several links to reports done that pretty much say everything that's been told to you already.
OP you do sound a little childish in your responses, after spending a few years lurking, you should've realized when to just ignore trolls. It's 4chan, don't take it personal.
>>30377677
>OP you do sound a little childish in your responses, after spending a few years lurking, you should've realized when to just ignore trolls. It's 4chan, don't take it personal.
Basically this, I didn't think I'd get you going that hard because I've seen some much worse shit get flung around here. I do feel a bit apologetic about it, like I was unwarranted and went a touch too far, so sorry m8.
>>30377677
Thanks, looks like it's in old school journals, pay walls a shot
>>30377690
It's all good m8
>>30377556
>>30377624
>>30377650
>>30377677
>>30377710
WELL DON'T WE ALL JUST FEEL BETTER, HOW ABOUT JUST MAN THE FUCK UP AND GO WITH WHAT THE US MILITARY ISSUES AND BE VERY SATISFIED THAT THEY KILL PEOPLE AND STOP WHINING ABOUT SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE AMMO WHOSE ONLY REAL USERS ARE CARTEL SPICS SOUTH OF THE BORDER
>.45 MASTER RACE REPORTING IN BECAUSE I ONLY NEED A FEW SHOTS IN HD SCENARIO AND LIKE A GUN AS BIG AS MY DICK
>>30377730
>GO WITH WHAT THE US MILITARY ISSUES
Soooooo... 9x19?
>>30377733
>>30377730 absolutely and eternally btfo
>>30377382
This thread is now a 7.5 FK Brno thread
>>30377754
>I just watched someone drop a 360 pound stag where it stood with this thing
Fuck.
God damn it. Where's Marisa? That fag knows all this shit by heart and can post relevant links.
>>30377806
You know, you're probably going to end up eating those words.
>>30377816
I don't care. I had the links he usually posts but lost them between hard drives.
>>30377353
>SO WHY THE FUCK ISNT EVERY THREAD TALKING/BRAGGING/DICKWAVING ABOUT 5.7?
A large portion of /k/ is misinformed on 5.7x28. Endless FUD about it being identical to .22wmr is spread by naysayers who claim that this means it is garbage. Even though .22wmr out of a rifle barrel is quite potent. 5.7 out of a pistol barrel is still more powerful than .22wmr out of a rifle barrel, and on top of this, has better bullet designs available.
Another piece of FUD spread is that 5.7 can't defeat body armor, like it was designed to. This is false. The Bass Pro/Acadameny/Whatever available American Eagle 40gr FMJ defeats level II armor out of the pistol. So does the easy to get online and sometimes in stores SS198 cartridge. But even better than these are rounds sold by Elite Ammunition. They penetrate level III-a armor with ease, and create large wounds on the other side that rival 9mm JHP.
Another bit of FUD being spread is that 5.7 can't be reloaded. This is false. 5.7 can be reloaded by a moderately skilled reloader. There is bullshit spread that you must apply projectile sealant to the bullet when you load it. This is false. If you size your case properly, the bullet will be tightly gripped by the case neck. You must also be careful with powder charges. Being just a hair off can mean the difference between a heavy charge and a blown gun.
Pic related, my gun, back in like 2009.
>>30377806
>>30377827
What'd I fucking tell you? :)
>>30377368
FUD. American Eagle 40gr penetrates Level II kevlar. So does SS198.
SS190AP can be bought on GunBroker legally all day long.
Elite Ammunition sells rounds that outperform SS190 in AP ability and wounding ability.
>>30377374
>It has no range or accuracy
5.7 is extremely flat shooting. You can easily reach out to 100 yards with the pistol and hit targets.
>everything that runs it is stupid expensive, and the cartridge itself is as well.
$18.50 for a box of 50 AP rounds is expensive? Shocking!
>he can't afford the top quality ultra light FN guns
lel.
>>30377396
Yes, the same logic applies to a logical being.
5.7 > 9mm because lower weight, more capacity, less recoil. These are the same reasons 9mm > .40 > .45.
>>30377353
>5.7 weapons in general
Overhyped by shit media and video games
>5.7 being a shortened down 5.56
Go get an AR fag
>buh buh muh ability to penetrate bodyy armor with a pistol
Get a Tokarev in 7.62x25 same capabilities for way less
>B-buh muh 5.7 capacity
Wow, the 5.7 pistol can hold 3 more than a Glock 17, can it get a fuckin medal?
>>30377410
Unfortunately, the Fort Hood shooting proved that 5.7 was plenty lethal. Hassan used the worst 5.7 round you can buy for self defense, the SS197, and it performed well for him. There was only one person who had an immediately life threatening wound that survived, and they were in a coma for a bit, then had to do physical therapy so they could move again.
>>30377410
>.it's pricey and not too many companies make loads for it.
You can get it for $18 per box of 50, not too bad.
>>30377412
AP vs non AP...
In the factory loaded ammo, the SS190 is AP. It is identical to the SS192/SS195/SS198, except it has a small steel insert at the tip, where the others are left with an open tip like you find on 77ge Sierra Match King. The steel tip makes it AP even at abysmally low velocities. The others, SS198/SS192/SS195, need more velocity to be AP. SS198 can penetrate level II kevlar, but not reliably III-a. However, if you handload it up another couple hundred feet per second, it will defeat III-a easily, and create a nice wound on the other side. Elite Ammunition sells a load that does just that called the S4M. It is potent.
SS197 uses a hollow point V-Max bullet, not designed to penetrate armor. This is a practice / varmint load.
American Eagle makes a 40gr FMJ that defeats level II but not level III-a. Same as above, if you reload this faster, you defeat III-a.
>>30377353
My girlfriend likes it.
>>30377841
You wouldn't happen to have the links showing the 9mm comparable wound channels would you?
>>30377882
Literally named all positives and proceeded to say it's bad cuz muh overhyped go get a mak
>>30377544
5.56 and 5.7 use the same projectiles, .224.
Also, a PS90 shooting a 55gr bullet sends it downrange at 2300 FPS. A 10 inch AR send the same bullet downrange at 2500-2700 FPS, depending on brand of ammo. Think about that.
>>30377556
There are plenty of loads that exceed 12 inches, but they don't expand a whole lot.
>>30377885
>Belly button ring and American Eagle shorts
Dammit anon, I was almost envious
>>30377898
40gr V-Max vs common calibers.
>>30377951
>There are plenty of loads that exceed 12 inches, but they don't expand a whole lot.
Yeah, the lack of expansion was my concern.
>>30377961
This is about the most expansion you'll see from current 5.7 bullets. 40gr V-Max from SS197 out of pistol btw.
This is why I prefer Elite's S4M or T6B Trident rounds.
>>30377898
Also have this gem.
28gr Open Tip found in SS195/SS198. Example is Elite S4 Ultra RapTOR.
>>30377997
>>30377353
Why 5.7 would not be a good choice for first pistol?
Same reason you don't buy an expensive car that chugs gas like an alcoholic to learn how to drive.
In general, the cheaper the ammo, the more you shoot it, and the gudder you git.
I'd start with a 9x19 or 9x18 even. Something cheap that isn't .22 plinky stuff, but doesn't rape your wrists either.
I haven't shot 9x18 yet, I imagine it kills just as well as the other ones.
>>30377616
>high speed, low drag
