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What AK's should I absolutely stay away from? I'm relatively new to these rifles and I'm not looking for anything fancy just a good solid rifle.
According to /akg/, any and all ak47s need to be stayed away from.
All of them.
Which is strange, considering it's supposed to be a "sturdy platform with loose tolerances where you can't go wrong"
>>30369089
Anything american made is utter trash. Look for euro imports or AK's made from part kits. DDI is the flavor of the month right now. Wasr's are good too. Just inspect for canted sites and mag wobble for buying though.
>>30369116
IO owner detected.
>>30369229
Thank you! I heard that the American ones were trash but wasn't sure how 100% true it was. I'll definitely check out the wasr at the place i usually buy from
>>30369448
You wouldn't by a American AK the same way you wouldn't buy a Russian AR.
>>30369116
ANY AK-47 should be hopped on immediately. You could sell an AK-47 for a lot of money to a museum.
An AKM on the other hand.....
>>30369448
It's not 100% true. I've yet to see a negative review of the C39V2 outside of "It's milled, so it's heavy"
>>30369089
I really don't understand all the US AK hate.
I bought a Century Centurion 39 a few years back. Milled receiver, near laminate furniture. Extremely reliable, decent accuracy. I love the thing.
I spent $3k on an AR build, and to be honest, I have more fun blasting away with the AKM.
>>30369229
What makes American made bad? If I can't check one out in person what's a reputable online dealer?
>>30370602
America doesn't have the decades of heavy industry infrastructure devoted to AK production. And for some reason, a lot of American makers seem obsessed with making tolerances as small as possible, like on a precision rifle- but the AK is designed for larger clearances.
Buy a WASR from Atlantic.
>>30370602
Parts made from shit materials to cut cost and make them competitive to the imports.
I'm a bit disappointed in my IO. It works fine, but there are definitely some quality control issues. The dust cover, for example, has about a millimeter of front-back play. Something somewhere wasn't fitted right.
Again works fine, but God damn something feels off about it.
>>30370646
As an engineer, this statement hurts my brain.
I think you need to learn the definition of tight tolerances...
>>30370648
Maybe the fact that underneath the gas block the gas port is 2-3 times bigger than It's supposed to be causing the rifle to be over-gassed. This is part of the reason IO AKs require a recoil buffer to prevent the BCG from blowing out of the back of the receiver.
EVERY IO AK is made like this. It is literally a time bomb. It's not a matter of if it's going to blow up in your face but when. The rifles cannot stand up to being so horribly over-gassed for long.
Get rid of it ASAP and get a rifle that is not going to maim you eventually.
>>30370692
you're an engineer, yet you don't realize why producing a gun with clearances below design values is bad?
>>30370646
I'm with >>30370692
Or is it because the AK was made with shitty design that's why it works in all sorts of shitty conditions?
>>30370729
>gas port is too wide
>therefore the whole gun should be thrown away
Thanks for the info.
Idiot.
>>30369089
Even century can churn out something decent every now and again, it's more important to inspect the individual AK thoroughly than worry about the brand.
Check the rivets, make sure the sights aren't canted, pop open the dust cover and check the internals, ext...
>>30369089
Do you care about aftermarket?
Yes? Wasr
No? Yugo
>>30369089
I.o. inc. not even once. Old wasr's too, get one post 2010.
>>30370310
I own both, the ar is go to when you need to hit something far or introducing someone new to firearms. but for blasting the berms/mud at the range you cant beat it, and the increased recoil imo makes it more fun
I actually bought a century AK63D recently and while it is a parts kit gun, I was pretty impressed by the century made parts. I did get to disassemble and inspect it before I bought it though. Finish is perfect, fit is great, accuracy has thus far been better than expected for an AK. This is after worrying really hard after seeing everyone I know bash the C39
>>30370798
>Oversized gas port
>Cast parts prone to shearing off as evidenced in videos
>Improperly riveted by using the barrel as a bucking bar
>Recoil buffer required to prevent BCG from jumping off the poorly installed rails (and over gassing)
Yes, the whole gun should be gotten rid of and replaced with something worth the time and money. The IO AK has a "lifetime warranty" for a reason.
>>30369089
NPAP, NPAP-DF, SLR-104, WASR, M92PV, M85NP, M90NP, and 308/762 Veprs are good to go.
ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS A NORINCO 84S-1.
>>30369089
IO rifles and RAS-47s have a history of exploding.
Other than that you should be okay. Id reccomend a WASR.
>>30369089
What is your budget btw?
>>30369089
any ak-100x
>MENACING
>>30370006
But that's literally the OG design of the AK47...
Anything american made, Century,I.O,DDI
all are trash.
>>30372188
It's honestly quite low which is what is causing me to look towards the AK I'd say 800ish is the highest I could swing.
>>30370798
That's just the main issue. There's literally something wrong with every part on the gun other than the furniture. You could fix it but you would just be building a new rifle with the IO receiver and furniture.
Things I've seen over the years:
>sights falling off
>barrels bursting
>locking lugs sheared off
>BCG cracking
>safety flying off
>charging handle snapping off
>bolt head cracking
An IO rep literally posted on AKFiles a couple years back saying he didn't give a shit if people were hurt by their rifles. Stay the fuck away from IO.
>>30372247
>DDI
>trash
Why?
>>30371413
Nailed it, just make sure to inspect for mag wobble, canted sights and shitty finishes on any AK you want to buy.
>>30372247
Whats wrong with DDI?
>>30372188
I'll just give you the list now, just easier. Don't spend less than $600, anything less is I.o. Inc territory.
$600ish -wasr, npap, opap. If wasr, get one made after 2010. Better QC
$700-$800ish - ddi, Atlantic parts kit build
$900-$1000ish - arsenal
$1100-2000ish - custom build kits from definitive arms, rifle dynamics etc.
>>30372191
Then wasr, ddi or Atlantic polish parts kit build is what you should look at
>>30370310
the point is you're in the minority.
Suppose I wanted to buy an ak in 5.56. Why would I want to buy one over an ar15 without using the word reliability?
>>30373992
to appeal to slavaboos online
>>30369546
What the fuck is so bad about the AKM? I thought it was literally just an improvement in the overall design.
>>30370777
He probably agrees with you, but he (like most other STEM types) has a compulsive need to tell everyone he's an engineer. Kind of like marines, except smarter obviously.
>>30376449
literally nothing, the guy probably means that the AKM probably won't sell as well in a museum. the AKM is the only thing closest to an AK-47 still produced since the AKM was being made in factories not long after the AK-47, so naturally there's a whole lot more AKMs than AK-47s so the value of the AKM is lower than an AK-47
>>30373992
Long stroke piston feels excellent against your shoulder. ARs feel like your grandmother poking you with her bony finger in the shoulder because you won't sit still and watch her knit useless shit. AKs feel like your best bro slugging your shoulder lightly because it's your birthday, or you porked a hot chick. In America, everything points to the AR as the best, but honestly, if it feels like shit, that's what it's worth to me. Whatever you get, don't fucking compromise. Compromise guns are shit to buy, like the SKS. Not as accurate as an AR, and not as awesome as an AK, and only 10 rounds 'till you're left with a wilted dick. My best advice is to rent both, or maybe go somewhere with different AKs you can rent. Find out first, because if I'd fired the SKS before I'd bought it, Id've saved up.
>>30370006
I haven't heard anything bad about this gun, functionally, but the gas block is kinda ugly and I think that AKs without cleaning rods look like shit
How hard is it to build an AK/any gun from a parts kit? Is it like disassembling/reassembling a gun for cleaning or is it more involved
>>30373992
AKs are more fun to shoot and manually cycling an AK is a lot more satisfying than an AR
>>30369546
Autism
>>30377937
Significantly more involved. You need riveting tools, a drill press, and a hydraulic press
>>30370646
Tolerance =/= clearance
An open spacious design does not mean it has a wide tolerance margin
>>30376449
He's just pointing out that relatively few AK-47s were made, it's AKMs and derivatives that are so widespread now
>>30377937
Are you literally retarded?
>>30377978
AK47 is an American term
Type 1 is what you autists are thinking of
>>30378354
Yes, but that doesn't answer my question.
