Old thread is barely in the ground. How much kit do you carry for some light operating? I usually carry 15 AR mags, 2 two liter canteens, firestarter, knife, map of the local area, and some snacks.
I've wanted one for as long as I can remember, it is honestly better than I dreamed. Totally worth every penny of $1200.
chest rig and a backpack is good.
So lightweight I don't even carry mags or a gun.
100yd group off a bipod using ZQ1 M80 Ball. It must of been a good batch of ammot becuase I have never had as good of groups with surplus since. Groups are tighter with my handloads but I cant find any pics.
This is a quick "jump out" rig. The LBT 6094 with two pistol mags, a radio, an ESEE Izula, and two Flex Cuffs, a Glock in a Safariland, Cuffs + Mag in a Safariland case, Surefire G2, Oakley SI Assault Gloves, my BCM 14.5" AR, and Lowa Zephyr GTX boots. The Tops Sky Marshall and Estwing Tomahawk stay tucked on either side of the center console.
Absolutely. 31520 here. I don't have a lot of gear yet but I'm always up for tips or grabbing more.
> Pic related, the gear this far.
yeah, yeah, same pic every thread, cool your tits, PC is next (and a non kryptec bag).
I don't own steel AK mags.
Yeah. We replaced all of ours 3 years ago, I've got one little scratch from an incident involving busting a vehicle window with it (horrible idea; will never try again.) but I suspect that may have happened with the old finish. Not really much different.
nah, just a stupid long muzzle attachment. Made a killer fireball, and made the recoil come straight back, no rise. Love to have an RPK though.
My throw away is Ran-Jin@hotmail.com
Alright thanks, have seen a bunch of people bitching about the matte finish and was considering just looking out for older ones.
But as long as the new ones are essentially the same shit functionally and don't rust then whatever.
I never knew I needed an AK until this moment...
Does the asymmetrical pouch location bother you? Have you thought about moving the rear-most pouch to, say, just right of the buckles?
I don't really work cases anymore, but when I was doing the gang task force thing it was Smith & Wesson SD40VEs. Those sonofabitches come up non-stop. Really any shitty pistols. Rarely was anything cool used. Got a Sig P226, several Glocks, and a Styer. Most everything else memorable was whatever is stolen and sub $300
I'm considering putting together an urban loadout with a Coyote Tan Mayflower APC, an 870 (as picured,) a Glock 19, and a tomahawk. I don't see many shotguns used as primaries around these parts. Why?
Its as budget as you can get. It will fall apart under hard use. If youre on a budget for a chest rig check out the south african pattern 83 rig (pictured >>30350634) or something like a SOE micro rig. If you really must have the condor rig you should find a friend or family member who can sew and have them double up on key points
i like your taste
No problem friendo. What did you decide on?
Gas masks are more of a toy than anything but if you want a good mask check the following points:
>side mounted filter so you can shoulder rifle on other side
>seals arent cracked and fit face tightly (look up banana oil test)
>Takes 40mm nato filters without adapter
>Is new in packaging or close to
Holy shit seriously? I'm getting a kit together and was going to carry like 6.
How many would you guys recommend carrying on a battle belt? I was thinking one pistol mag and 3 rifles, with 3 rifles on the back of my pack. Is 6+1 mags enough for an AK?
I am still looking...old to guns but new to chest rigs and vests.
Looking at good gear built to last, LBT and such. It may be expensive but I am a firm believer in buy once, cry once.
Consider that if you actually need your weapon, you will not have access to fire support, and depending on situation may not have access to resupply either.
Meaning what ammo you have on you is all you have until you successfully break contact, kill all the enemy, or get killed.
>All these beautiful Pattern 83 rigs
>tfw thanks to international shipping costs to Canada and the exchange rate I've never managed to find one for under $80
Fuck, I want what is basically a well over $100 rig for $50.
You might want to try checking out a Crye JPC. It's quite minimalist and it includes 3 integral mag pouches on the front flap. It's also scalable if you decide that you require side protection later on. Battle proven with SOF too.
It'll holds them when it's doing nothing, hell, it might actually hold them if you actually do something with it.
You've never tested it though, so saying "it's fine" really doesn't prove anything.
On point. But there's a big difference between tossing a mag in your back pocket for a home invasion situation, and fighting off a cartel hit squad. But I know what you're saying and I agree...
Dispersing my mags across the 'layers' of my kit works well for me. 6+1 for an AK seems like a comfortable start. But you're working with just a battle belt and an assault pack? I'd hope that a) the pack would accommodate more like 5-10 mags, and b) you'd have a chest rig that would offer another 3-4 mags on deck for the AK
With that squared away, I personally would carry 2 AK + 2 pistol mags on the belt. More interested in hearing what works best for you though
I'd be willing to bet that a mare's leg or masterkey is the most functional application for a shotgun. Still, I say don't let your dreams be dreams
I never see any SOE micro rigs in these threads.
City anon here, JPC was one of my option after finding out how bad Beez PCs were. Will def look into it
Also looking into packs for a BoB as well as EDC. Looked at the 5.11 Rush 24 Double Tap, but idk if the molle will attract too much attention
I'm gonna take some good pictures at the /k/ meet this weekend.
Yeah, external MOLLE is going to attract attention, kind of gives you the "mall ninja/Division Agent" look. I really think the best way is to get a bag that has options for internal modularity instead. Vertx has some really nice low profile bags that give you this option. You might want to give them a look. http://vertx.com/Search?category=BAGS%20AND%20PACKS
The Ready pack looks pretty nice
baofeng UV-5R with a stupidly long antennae and an extended battery pack.
You want your mags placed and oriented on your rig so they're on the side of your reload hand oriented so that when you pull them you can go straight into reload without fumbling around.
You can stack several mag pouches on top of each other, general rule of thumb is that you don't want more than 240 rounds of 5.56NATO or 160 rounds of 7.62NATO on you plus 2 mags of side arm on your rig at any given moment.
If you need more than that you can put them in a day pack, but honestly if it takes more than that you're likely dead without some support anyhow.
That's also where subtlety comes in, but that's another thing to go on a tangent for.
Aside from ammo, rig up some sort of hydration, small camelbak type of thing and a small first aid kit that contains a pouch of antibiotics and non-blood thinning NSAID, plus a tourniquet, hypoallergenic quick-clot, and a roll of packing, and a compression bandage like the Israeli dressing.
Also some trauma shears. That is for your use only, on you. Obviously the likelihood of needing it is slim to none unless you're in a Bosnia level SHTF situation or the Stan or sandbox.
This, in a SHTF situation unless you're in an actual team, you'll want low profile, defended but not worth much target appearance so you're not worth enough to battle it out with for your shit, yet you're not weak as fuck and able to be steam rolled.
Tacticooled up is big target.
A long gun with a side arm and plain clothes is much better.
Best is to wear a low profile plate carrier underneath a top and put one layer of mags.
Do a concealed sidearm with spare mag in the holster.
Don't look like you've got a fuck ton of ammo and firearms.
Don't blind the fuck out of your weapon either.
Let it look beat up and old but functional.
Decent optics are no issue but if it looks all shiny and crazy, it may make you a target to try and get your equipment
What's the ALS thing on Safariland holsters like? Is it annoying? I need a holster for my Glock 20 and I really like the way the Safariland 6377 looks and how much it costs. Also, should I get a paddle holster? How much difference is there between a belt and a paddle holster? Keep in mind that this is just for innawoods carry.
Have a group of like 6-8 dudes
Hey everyone look at us, we've got a great big target on our heads.
Seriously I hope I can find it again and post it, there's some anon who lived through bosnia-Herzegovina and gives legit as duck pro-tips for surviving a real SHTF situation.
Shotguns have some marked drawbacks and require a fair amount of practice to run effectively. They are potent weapons if you put in the effort though. One of my loadouts is a Shellback Banshee, Mossberg 500, Glock 19 and a Sog Fasthawk.
i have no idea. i pick up some stuff clearer but i don't really use my radio much. I will take both of my antennas to the /k/ meet this weekend and find out.
so my chest rig took a shit. that's what I get for trusting a guy who claims he used condor through Afghanistan for 2 tours. anyways now that I can confirm condor is shit I need a new chest rig. can anyone recommend me a bomb proof chest rig that looks like pic related with a place to put a bladder on the back with decent padding? I would be eternally great full
Anyone? i've been looking around and skd seems like it would be a good company the only problem is I have splav pouches that I would like to reuse since I've trained with them with my previous chest rig
it seems good but no molle I need molle to attach the pouches sorry if I didn't clarify. do they have any with molle?
so I'am down to 3 that I could find but would really like suggestions basically would like something like the first spear but with a solid front would be amazing but can't really find anything please.
Another guard was killed the other day so its high profile kit for the next few weeks
contract for a firm in CO, mostly clients in the cannabis industry currently. Going to be quitting by the end of the month though to start a LE academy in Aug. The guy wasn't from my firm btw but it sucks non the less.
I also have a light but usually keep my .556 load out in it. Yep the inlays work great in it, I only wish they wear slightly taller so thy would fit snugly under the molle loops inside the mag slots.
Anyone have experience with these? Looking to update some older gear with buckles and these seem like a good no sew alternative. Basically just want to know how they hold up. They won't be load bearing, just used to keep pouches closed and such.
It's awesome once you're used to it. Awesome retention and with practice, I'm as quick with it as I am a holster with no retention. I prefer the paddle version cause I have less problems when it's time to take a shit. Other than that, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
Time to wait for July 4th sales for the rest of the stuff.
I hope some IV plates go on sale.
I do 15 because the battlejacket has 4 double pouches, and two grenade pouches that fit one 10 round mag each, and then you can fit two mags in each of the smoke grenade pouches, plus the one in my Sig.
>he doesn't know about Rhodesian operating
They hold the mags themselves snug just fine, you can turn the dc3r upside down and shake the shit out of it and it would be fine. But the inserts themselves sometimes dont catch with the little top tabs and keep the inserts snug inside the rig. Its tough to explain without pictures, when Im home Ill take a few and explain better. And yes, I do think the dc3rH is a better choice between the two for that reason and I like the resized admin pouches on the front
>what is the purpose given?
Because the military uniform is the first protection of your skin.
It protects your skin from being burned (most of true military protection have some kind of fire protection).
It can protect your skin from certain low velocity projectiles like gravel, pieces of glass or wood.
It protects your skin from environmental dangers like thorny plants, little shits on the ground, if glass or a window is/must be broken, etc. And so it protects you from avoidable injuries and infections. It is also a protection against parasites and animals.
Some military uniform have IR protection too that makes you harder to be seen with night vision by the enemy.
Yes it is hot and annoying especially if your wearing a plate carrier, helmet and complet combat equipment and building breaking in equipment and it is a 35°C sunny day. But it is necessary. That's especially for you >>30354331.
That's at least what a good instructed soldier should know.
it sounds like...you want to circlejerk over mag/ammo counts as much as I do. I think your 2/3 ratio for 7.62 compared to 5.56 is spot on - I figured the extra 5.56 rounds is to compensate for the double taps you'll be using to put guys down with M193, whereas 7.62 delivers far more 1-hit stops.
My rule of thumb is:
Have 6-8 primary & 2-4 secondary mags on deck (belt or rig)
And just carry as much ammo/mags as possible in your pack. This is, of course, aside from all the other important shit you should have in your pack (FAK, food/water/filter/tablets, emergency blanket/poncho, toilet paper)
Are you the same person? You should post more
Disclaimer: between the two popular SHTF accounts that circulate (one from Brazil -Ferfal?, and one from Bosnia) I've heard that both could have been fabricated. I'd still recommend reading them, just not making them your bible or anything...
While I don't think there's an established 'optimal' team size (I would argue 4 men), I do believe it's a matter of quality over quantity. I'd rather have a wingman I trust with my life than a group of guys I met on teamspeak
keep it up
Based anon, i'm considering one for my yugo UF as well. Do the magazine retention loops fit over normal AK mags on the light version?
My regular setup is fairly light. I have no armor so it's just the chest rig.
Yes those three first (you)s you made for me are me. I do post a decent amount.
The 2/3 ratio is based on mag capacity and weight.
The 7.62 weighs more and typically run in 20rd. Mags.
Same mag counts for both 5.56NATO and 7.62NATO are very close in weight, space they take up, and does account for the extra shots.
I'm taking it from when I was in the army and the basic combat load is 6-7 mags on your kit and one in your weapon.
And I definitely agree on team size.
In a legitimate SHTF situation I would want 1-3 other well trained men with me, preferably who I've trained with and a in-situ base of operations for our families to be at that is low key and easily protected with most of the people who don't have good training or military experience staying back there.
I'd definitely be more comfortable with 1 other well trained man than 3 men who shoot rarely and think they're hot shit.
Low profile in a situation like that and being able to keep stealthy is more important than having a large group.
Also, having good training can make you as effective as 10 men in a firefight.
You can never go wrong with a 1911. They're reliable as fuck. Other than that it comes down to comfort and your own preferences. Go to a range that you can rent guns at to shoot and try out a bunch of different .45 pistols.
I personally prefer a Sig 226 and 1911 but there are a lot more options out there for full size pistols.
And the Springfield XDS for concealed carry.
My biggest thing is trigger squeeze and break weight.
Yeah I'm sure he did. When I was growing up there was a Bosnian and a serbian family at my school and their fathers emulated this confident and scary presence. Some people you can almost feel it in the air around them.
Is it a BNC connector for the antenna? If so I can teach yall how to make a mantenna for your kit. Just make sure if you plan on using it constantly that you've already got all the sons you want. Long term RF exposure will leave you only having daughters for some weird reason.
What sort of gear should I get as a beginner?
I have my old navy camouflage, but it's fucking blue.
I also have a front and back ar500 plates.
Should I buy a camel back? rucksack? replace my retarded blue camouflage? What about a trama kit? Where can I buy all these things?
I would honestly suggest one of the plain Jane plate carriers without plates in it for LBV or to use the LBV that the army uses. You flip the buckle side to the front so the back side of the belt is solid and just unzip the front of the LBV for quick donning and removal. Just get one that isn't UCP
You can see here the buckle on the back I'm talking about. You can flip it so the molle insert gets threaded inside the mesh in the backside of the front panels. Then the back is a solid piece and you only have to unzip the front
Get quality plate carrier, $200ish range. Get better plates, I prefer level 4. Medical supplies and training for it, ask around town, some local hospitals/ clinics will offer classes. Hydration source, canteen, bladder, etc. Get a backpack unless you want to carry everything by hand. Yes replace the blue camouflage unless your going to be operating under water. Get a long gun and side arm, plenty of magazines and ammo for both if you haven't already. Gear you can buy online, from Amazon, surplus stores, etc. Find and ammo online or in your local gun store.
That's all true to a point but it depends on what exactly you're doing. It's a tradeoff between water you have access to to stay hydrated and first layer skin protection.
Now you're making me want an underfolder, why you do this to me?
I think I found what I'am looking for would just like to confirm if 762 tactical is a good company before buying
>you wont have an shtf team in the 2020 cuckmany civil war
Yuss and flare out at the tail end of your spray and close to the color boundaries to fade into the next color to help break up boundaries and lines so it blends. Helps a lot for the camo
When I was into airshit I did a tigerstripe paintjob on a VN style M16 this way.
>black base layer on furniture
>mask with tape
>OD green krylon
It ended up looking awesome. Then we had a break-in and it got stolen.
I was mad but kek'd pretty hard when I realized that they'd taken that and left a real 10/22 that was right next to it.
Curious how much training you think should be done with a pistol compared to a rifle. I'm inclined to believe you'd actually be deploying handguns more often than a long arm if shtf. Not to mention it's what most of us carry 24/7 (which is also to say - when we lack access to our ARs, 12 gauges, etc)
Also, have you thought about how to disperse gear, supplies, and personnel over vehicles? Do you take as many trucks as possible, or pile 3-4 guys in just one or two?
Personally, these are the kinds of rabbit holes I wanna see /gq/ go down...
Nice. Succinct. Dubs.
Medical is always a good place to start. But ask yourself if camo is such a high priority. Is your area of operation sparsely inhabited woodland or desert? If not, maybe you want to spend money on greyman approved plainclothes instead.
Buy ammo/mags at your own pace, but enough to both shoot and stockpile. A 20-30 liter daypack will probably serve you best; make sure it accepts a hydration element. Yes, camelbaks/bladders are pretty amazing...
And if your bladder us inside your day pack it helps keep it cooler longer so you're not drinking hot bath water
That's annoying but ironic. At least he didn't get both.
My recommendation is as often as you can afford to squeeze it in with time and money. Obviously if you have a family your priorities won't be as flexible as a single anon.
I would like to see every firearm owner training at least 2 days a month on their primary firearms one long arm and one sidearm.
My preference and plan is to drag my wife with me once a week to train for at least an hour each on a primary and sidearm.
Train for transitions and draw.
Biggest thing people duck up on is how to draw and bring your arm immediately into action with sight picture. Start slow, get that muscle memory and even without loading your weapon train at home with a cleared sidearm from the holster you will have it in. Even if it's just 10 or 20 minutes a day, train on draw technique, then draw to sight picture, then include safety throw if you have one then include all of it together with trigger squeeze.
Once you get to the point where you can do it in your sleep start speeding things up. It takes time and repetition but it fucking works, and it will save your life.
Also first round with a sidearm you are more accurate one handed.
Follow up shots you MUST use both hands.
Lastly train reload technique.
Once again it's the perspective. Here's one with less fucked up perspective.
>nice guns and gear
>PC is next
>non kryptec bag
giving you a thumb up m8
anyone know what the Gryffon Tactical USMC Low Profile Operator Quad Magazine Rig is a knockoff of? the name of the legit gear that inspired it.
I'm digging the advanced gear , I don't wanna say logistics but I can't think of a better word, but I do like the in depth discussion of not just what to buy, but how to use, where to use, when to use, etc. Such as the trucks and squad level tactics
Do you keep the long gun in a rack in the trunk or does it get to ride up front with you? I always see video of guys doing vehicle drills with the long gun starting by their leg but how often is that actually done?
>People posting plate carriers loaded with plates
>Also first round with a sidearm you are more accurate one handed.
What the fuck? I dunno what your background is but that's not a common technique in either SOF or the civilian competition world.
To be fair that was when I was not allowed to work out because of some medical thing I had going on. That pic is a few months old at the point. I'm back in my routine now and am slowly making progress to fix that shit show.
Not him but the /fit/ vector chart is a joke from when they tried to estimate a guys height by using mathematical vectors based on the height of the door knob in shot etc... Can't remember who it was now for the life of me. Tiny?
I'm not talking competition and I'm not saying ONLY USE ONE HAND FOR THE FIRST SHOT GUYS
It's not common practice, it's not advised, it is however the truth and when you've got a chambered round and cocked hanmer/striker and only need a light short pull to fire, worrying about the second hand isn't needed.
My background is military, and some of the competitions I've done mandated that due to lack of prep time prior to using sidearm.
There's a lot more to it that takes up a lot of time and space to explain. I'll try to find a link to drop for you so I don't take up several pages explaining it.
I don't worry about LEO stuff with shooting because it's not required for them to go to the range more than once a year unless they're SWAT. The ones who shoot a lot on their own are probably worth listening to and SWAT but just assuming all police and soldiers are super knowledgeable isn't the best idea.
I was a commo guy in SOF for six years.
Think this its the original, but they do it all the time
Better come clean
It looks like one of those knockoff rigs they would sell at the bazarrs on KAF or BAF, they literally had tables full of them along with every other cheap trinket you will find at a stateside gun show.
>It's not common practice, it's not advised
>It is more accurate
Think this through. If it was actually more accurate, it would be more common. More likely you just suck with handguns.
>I was commo guy in SOF for six years
What did he mean by this?
Exactly, I've been getting texts and call from a lot of guys at the firm the last few days asking my advise on equipment. Its literally a requirement to be hired at the firm to have at least 12 months overseas or 7+ years LEO but a vast majority of the guys just have no interest in either firearms or equipment. Most guys I work with will have an xd or some 1911 variation in an uncle mikes holster with no spare mag or even a flashlight at night. I always speak up though and my site manager doesn't put me with people I tell him I don't fell safe with. That and they have changed their hiring standards lately to be a lot stricter.
I suppose I should specify that it's not a picture of me if it weren't obvious, so no idea.
I fucking love that picture though, the civilian clothes, solid colors, ass old tactical gear, M70AB2, and contractor ID (implying this guy's actually in some shit) make it a+++.
This guy was living the gear queer dream at some point.
Here's his average /k/ gearqueer impression.
Thinking about getting some armor with money I make this summer, since Clinton might try to outlaw it if she gets elected.
What should I be looking at? The only gear I own is one of those SADF chest rigs, and a bunch of AR mags.
Should I go for slick or MOLLE in a carrier? I'd kind of like something I could wear under a jacket OR over cammies, if such a thing exists. Not really sure if I want side plates or not.
Do I want magazine pouches on the carrier or nah? It would be quicker than throwing on the carrier and my chest rig over it, but I wonder if that would be too much bulk?
What kind of plates should I get? Is it true ceramic plates can shatter if you fall on them with enough force? I'm not too concerned about weight, but maybe I should be.
What kind of money should I expect to spend on armor? What budget should I set for myself?
Too lazy to take it apart but I'd say my current duty belt setup is pretty light.
>safariland g22/23 hoslter
>streamlight protac 2L
>bianchi leather paddle cuff/mag
>Night Threat Concealment ak mag
>gcode belt/bianchi inner belt
Pants are truspec and this specific pair has been beat to shit but has held up on daily duty use for about a year now.
>What should I be looking at?
AWS, Beez, Crya, Shellback, First spear, pig, Tyr, Tag, LBT, etc
>Should I go for slick or MOLLE in a carrier?
Depends, for concealment or for multiple calibers being switched out, slick and rig, for one gun and putting it over everything, MOLLE
>Not really sure if I want side plates or not.
Get soft armor if you can, side plates suck to use, but that's my opinion
>Do I want magazine pouches on the carrier or nah?
Refer to argument above
>What kind of plates should I get?
Level IV ESAPI or similar and no they will not
>What kind of money should I expect to spend on armor?
Depends on your size, can be anywhere between $200 and $400 for a set of level IV ceramics
Jesus that's autistic as fuck, even if he was just bored.
Okay anon. Failure to understand that positive control of the firearm is preferred in those professions because the majority of people are idiots does not make it wrong.
If I hadn't gotten married I'd have tried to get in with academi, Constellis, MVM, Northrop, or Raytheon.
Sadly it was not the case and it was time to go back to being a normie.
Ceramic plates are pretty robust. If it's in your carrier they'll be fine for the most part, it's dropping them on their edges that makes it sketchy.
Most of the plates these days are multi strike capable.
I'd get a level III+ if you're going low profile but want good protection and get a Kevlar insert to put behind it, or if you don't mind bulk get some level IV plates.
I have a 4 mag rig from them, not insane use but a couple of rifle classes and R range days. I wish it had more room to adjust down as I'm a skinny fuck and often just use it on top of a t-shirt but other then that I've been pretty happy with it.
You can easily find people who can draw and hit a target in 0.8s with both hands on the gun. I have a really hard time thinking of a situation where I want to hit fast but want one hand (barring retention shooting)
Quick release, zip on back panels.