Anyone ever purchase an 80% lower?
How was your experience?
I'm wanting to try completing an 80% lower, but I'm thinking I would need to invest in a drill press first. I have a power drill, and I've seen videos of people completing lowers with such, but it doesn't seem like it would be very easier for a beginner to do so.
>>30323811
Drill press will make it much easier. You need to buy a decent jig too
>>30324486
Where can I find the best manufacturer to buy from? For am 80%? In term of quality and cost.
My brother, Dad, and I want to go in and buy 5 each. We live in a shitty state for guns, and want to avoid registration
Take it from somebody whose building an AR10 from an 80%, stick with the 15.
You need a decent, sturdy drill press and a router
Tactical machining is my go-to for 80% stuff.
Get a drill press, you're absolutely not going to do this at all with a hand drill. A drill press is fucking useful anyway, don't be a pleb and go get one.
Get a cross-compound vise from amazon or somewhere for like $50.
You are now set up to make as many 80% ghost guns as you want
>>30325538
if you plan on doing 15 lowers with a drillpress dont buy a good drillpress cause you will wreck the shit out of it using it improperly, get a pos harbor freight and abuse the hell out of their refund replacement policy
>>30326437
That's actually a really good point. Thanks man.
Any site you think is the best for the money? For the 80s?
>>30327169
buy whatevers in stock at a price you are okay with. no polymer bullshit.
buy the jig from the same company.
theres a pretty good chance the drill press will shit itself after 3-5 drill presses are not meant to be used as mills. they were not designed to take lateral force
Ive done a bunch of them on a small mill. Will answer most questions.
>>30325538
Most forgings and especially 80%s are made at a single forging factory. This being said go with what >>30326382 said, tactical machining is pretty dope.
friend of mine used a router instead.
seemed to give a better finish.
>>30323811
It was easy especially for a first time builder with basically no skills. I bought an 80% arms lower and jig and followed their video and came out pretty well. I do recommend it. If you you could find a lower in this time of " get all the lowers you can before they band them" apocalypse" ( kek) get one. I can't buy one since the shooting. -___-
Question. I have an 80% lower in the white, where do i send it to get it coated?
>>30329863
its actually a pain in the ass to find someone to anodize a lower for you. theres no point in doing it while its an 80 cause the fire pocket and holes will be uncoated.most places that do anodizing will refuse to touch your unserialized lower unless they dont know the law. if they are that ignorant chances are they dont know fuck about anodizing.
>>30329863
AlumaHyde from brownells, it's great stuff.
>>30329920
If you just want lowers and not the fun of milling it yourself, you could just go and buy a Ghost Gunner. They cost only $250.
https://ghostgunner.net/products/ghost-gunner
>>30329946
That's just the deposit, they're actually 1500.00
>>30329946
250 is the deposit to reserve one its 1500 + 100 shipping
you would be better off buying a mini mill
>>30329968
>>30329972
Oh fuck. But this would be legal, right?
Step 1: Team up with N buddies who also want unregistered lowers
Step 2: Everybody chips in 1600/N'th to buy the Ghost Gunner
Step 3: Everybody puts the 80% lower into the machine himself
Step 4: Everybody pushes the button that starts the milling himself
Step 5: Sell the right to put 80% lowers into the machine and push the button to start the milling for $X
Step 6: Repeat step 5 until the machine breaks and you hopefully made a return of the $1600
>>30330000
You were legal until step 5.
You can use other people's tools, but money or anything else can not be exchanged for the purpose of using the machine.
As far as everybody pitching in on one, sure. You'd all come off much cheaper with a drill press and a jig though.
>>30329968
>>30329972
Pay 1,500 dollars for a machine that has one extremely niche purpose.
I mean, I guess it makes sense if you plan on completing lowers by the dozen, but who would want that many? I don't see a huge profit in that.
>>30330000
In Kommiefornia, they have shut down businesses that would "rent" you time on the automated mill. They said pushing the start button did not constitute building it yourself.
>>30330019
>Pay 1,500 dollars for a machine that has one extremely niche purpose.
I agree it's extremely retarded. This thing is meme baby killing ghost weapons incarnate.
However, it can be programmed to perform other operations. I have yet to see any of those operations, and couldn't find anything when I spent about 15 minutes googling it so who knows.
>>30330032
or you could just buy a mini mill and learn how to use it. hell you could get lucky and get a used real mill for 1500
>>30330013
>You can use other people's tools, but money or anything else can not be exchanged for the purpose of using the machine.
Is this always the case, even for example with lawnmowers and beard trimmers? Or only here because guns are involved?
I use a Delta drill press for the selector, trigger and hammer pins. I uses a mini mill to cut the pocket and low self. If you cut the self to original specs, be sure to not drill the evil hole...wink wink. Get a good set of calipers and tech drawings.
>>30330051
Guns...pretty much because it's guns
>>30330046
>or you could just buy a mini mill and learn how to use it. hell you could get lucky and get a used real mill for 1500
Like I said I completely agree. If they instead sold it as a table top mini mill instead of trying to sell a meme, they could reach a wider market including people that don't really care about guns. But $1500 just to crank out finished 80% lowers? That's just fucking stupid.
That's it's whole selling point is that you can push button finish an 80% lower. Oh wow, look I have to then finish it by anodizing or alumahyde, assemble the lower with all the parts, but because I'm a lazy fuck I'm going to waste a ton of money on some gimmick to finish up lowers.
I guess if you have an FFL, you could crank out a ton and serialize them so you can make a ton of cash if there's a ban, but even that defeats the entire purpose.
>>30330051
>Is this always the case, even for example with lawnmowers and beard trimmers? Or only here because guns are involved?
I believe it has to do with the fact that guns are evolved. Take it with a grain of salt though, but I did hear this from somebody who is an expert on 80% lowers and is not a fudd by any means. I also do not have a law or ATF ruling to cite for you, so it could be fuddlore.
>>30330104
I dunno bout no fuddlore, but they shutdown "build parties" in Kalifornia. GIYF.
>>30330104
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=750262
>>30327534
Never been into gunsmithing but... Couldn't you just use a drill press and then hand file the rest? I mean, time consuming as fuck but much easier on the wallet.
>>30330245
Hand file?...uhm, No.
>>30330274
That's like 3mm steel, right? Not invulnerable. Or is it a precision thing?
Realistically, what all parts do I need to turn an 80% into a functional lower (assuming I'm using a drill press) and around how much would all that shit cost?
>>30330293
A jig.
http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/13442/
Everything you need right here for $100, except for anodizing of course.
>>30330245
you could though it would take a while. people have done it with dremels
>>30330309
just buy a stripped lower if you cant even google drill press
>>30330326
I realized my question was retarded after posting it but it did the whole "you gotta wait longer to delete this post" before I could delete it.
Thanks for the help.
>>30330309
>do you need a bunch of different sized drills
Forget that I even gave you that link, you obviously didn't click it anyway.
>>30330326
>just buy a stripped lower if you cant even google drill press
I believe that's above his level of comprehension.
I like the jig from thunder guns. The main fire control pocket is drilled out with a 5/8 bit. The more material removed by the drill makes the milling process that much easier.
This is the router I was recommended to do my 80% with, Dewalt DWP611 (https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWP611-Torque-Variable-Compact/dp/B0048EFUV8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466342962&sr=8-1&keywords=dewalt+dwp611). Anyone used this, or similar?
Also, what kind of tools will I need to actually put the lower together, as in all the various pins & springs?
>>30330526
YouTube and Google will bestow upon the knowledge you seek, young grasshopper.
Me and my roommate have a jig and 2 lowers on order right now, they should be here next week. We plan on using a hand drill and a router so we'll see how they turn out without a drill press.
>>30330628
Use a vice, go slow, watch your depths and use cutting fluid or lube.
>>30330771
thats the plan, already got a vice ready to go
Not do derail the thread but had anyone heard of this?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/676733_Fruity_Ghost___DIY_100s_of_ARs_cheaper__faster__gentler_.html
I'm a newfag and don't have an AR yet but it intrigued me. Have your 100%, silicone mold it, and cast your resin
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MSDovg_d5v4
Seems like a good method of you want a few and don't need aluminum?
Built my first AR using a daytona tactical 80% lower and the psa freedom rifle kit. The jig was from 80% arms.
Wear an apron you will get aluminum fucking everywhere. Also take Your time there is no need to rush the process.
When you're putting your lower parts kit in, pay close attention to the instructions.
I thought I made my rifle full auto by accident. As k warned me of the fate of my puppers I kept trying to figure out why. Turns out I put the hammer spring in backwards. Motherfucker had so much tension the disconnect couldn't hold it. Causing it to fire rapidly.
Scared the hell outta me.
Bumping this shit
>>30323811
anybody know what the setup is for the buffer tube on this? I know theres an /arg/ but figured id ask here.
>>30335195
nevermind i found it
http://www.thordsencustoms.com/ar-ak-enhanced-pistol-cheek-rest-kit-w-caa-saddle-black/
>>30323811
Used a mill
Don't go trying to mill the pocket to M16 specs unless you actually look at the full blueprint and not a cross section
>>30326437
or just use the drill press properly and modify your tooling setup to minimize lateral forces on be spindle. another tip. kerosene is a good cutting fluid for aluminum and will help leave and decent finish
>>30335502
>modify your tooling setup to minimize lateral forces on be spindle
You literally can't do this
>>30335249
>The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, Technology Branch has affirmed that the Thordsen Customs Buffer Tube Cover/CAA Saddle combination is a CHEEK REST and IS NOT a "rifle stock. It DOES NOT reclassify an AR/AK type "Pistol" as a "short barreled rifle" under definitions established by the National Firearms Act of 1934 or the Gun Control Act of 1968. However, BATFE does specifically warn that any misuse of, or modification to, this configuration that may cause a firearm to be used outside of its design parameters, such as being shoulder fired, may change its classification and may make a firearm subject to NFA and GCA regulations and/or illegal to possess. Click on the links below to read the letters to and from ATF.
how, what, but, I dont, . . . ok. so how soon until we get a "cheek rest" that isnt a rifle stock with a built in "shoulder rest" ? Incrementalism can work both ways right?
>>30336179
>how, what, but, I dont, . . . ok. so how soon until we get a "cheek rest" that isnt a rifle stock with a built in "shoulder rest" ?
It's called the Shockwave
>>30336200
KEK... I mean KAK. This makes me want to build my stripped lower into a totally not sbr configuration.
>>30335502
>>kerosene
High friction heat environment...not recommended
>>30335257
Thinking it's difficult...huehuehue
>>30337021
Gotta look at da planzzzz....
>>30337129
Fuck yo plans
>>30337161
Lol
>>30329863
do it yourself yo, get some sulfuric battery acid and some aluminum foil and get to anodizing.
>>30335257
When is Ivan going to sell more 80% lowers? I want a better variety of meme marks.
And I might just wind up buying the ghost gunner since I have no workshop space to speak of. It would be nice to just be able to crank out lowers from the desk in my bedroom.
Question: Can unserialized lowers be legally "gifted" to people who are not prohibited from owning firearms? I thought the only stipulation was that you can't sell them.
>>30337214
How do I do this without killing myself?
>>30337390
Only if not completed. As I understand it they can't be gifted, sold or otherwise transferred and must be destroyed upon the death of the builder.
>>30337426
exactly how he has in the picture but you can add a breaker if you want before completing the connection if your afraid of sticking your hand into the solution like a retard. Also a well ventilated area
>>30337428
But I assume you can just get around that by adding your own serial number with an electropencil or something.
>>30337214
that seems very dangerous
>>30337532
I think you then become an unlicensed manufacturer...not sure
>>30337563
It's science, yo
I have access to a small mill, but would I need a jig to hold the lower in the vise jaws or is there some other cheapy way to do it?
>>30337956
you could just clamp it in a vice or make spacers out of wood/plastic
the jig just ensures everything lined up, 90 degrees, and shows you where to drill. you could do that all on your own if you know how to measure and are careful
>>30337426
It's really pretty easy man. Just wear goggles and you're fine.
>>30337161
Obama-nation God dayum
Fuck a vice. I used C-clamps. Have a shop vac near by because aluminium shavings go everywhere. Wear eye and ear pro. Plan out each pass and what you're doing. I used a cheap corded Mikita drill and router.
Just like butt sex, go slow and use lots of lube.
>>30337428
that's not true. You can absolutely sell it, but then it requires the ATF engraving. If you don't want to sell it, you don't have to engrave anything. You can NOT build the lower(s) with the INTENT to sell them. If you build it for personal use and then happen to want to get rid of it then you can.
>>30338300
Finished product
>>30330051
is this a serious question
I bought two and did them on a friend's mini mill. Everything went better than expected.
I started on a Harbor Freight mini drill press and nearly ruined. Luckily, there is a lot of leeway on these things. As long as the 3 holes you drill in the side sort of line up, you can make it work.
>>30323811
Ive been waiting over 4 months to start Machinist school. Now 2 weeks in, I still havnt completed the 4 I have.
>>30338498
Why did the habor freight press screw up?
>>30338953
he probably accidentally a whole climb milling
>80% lower
>>30338327
Sounds like a BATFE ass raping just waiting to happen
This thread looks like its for me. I'm going to order this kit and this drill press, does this stuff look ok to you guys?
http://daytonatactical.com/collections/80-ar-15-lowers/products/ar15-80-lower-receiver-black-anodized-and-jig-kit-combination-pack
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HQONFVE/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AYZQAQRQKEXRP
>>30337614
As far as I know, what >>30338327 says is true. It's lawful to manufacture your own firearms for personal use as long as you don't intend to make a living off selling them. It's kind of a legal grey area, but I don't think the ATF would ever find out if you finished a stripped lower, then happened to sell it to your dad or girlfriend or somebody else in your family down the line. I believe you're supposed to engrave some sort of serial number before transferring it, however.
>>30339433
The thing is too that its unmarked, theres no way to prove they didnt finish it
>>30337161
I am extremely worried this will be me. Can I avoid this just by reading the instructions really well?
>>30338953
look at how beefy a proper mill is
>>30339495
practice on wood
all youve got to do is remove material and drill 3 holes
>>30339510
Those are actually pretty lightweight compared to "real" milling machines. There's a whole range of milling machines to be honest, stuff in between the mini-mills and the Bridgeport knee mills, and stuff bigger, a lot bigger, and gargantuan. Then there's bigger.
[source: a machinist]
>>30339510
and look at this spindly little shit right here. The mill end wanders all over the place, the whole frame racks side to side, the chuck lets the endmill wobble in figure 8s and shit.
>>30339546
im just sayin nobody is doing 80% lowers with shit like pic related
>>30339547
why are you comparing a drill press and a mill?
>>30339495
I dont think you could get that bad with a jig. That is drunk freehanding, done badly
>>30339578
I've been thinking about it to be honest. Not that big, but pretty big (maybe the Mazak 250 at work). I bet I could finish an 80% in about 3 minutes, with a little deburring cycle.
>>30339589
because above posters were mentioning people drilling out their lowers with a harbor freight drill press
>>30339510
>>30339547
This is why I just want to be a coward and buy a ghost gunner meme mill.
>>30339405
Pls respond
So, the allure of the 80% lower is that you can build an unregistered gun, correct? I've never been big into AR's but this horseshit has got me thinking I should get one sooner than later.
Hey guys,
Who makes the best 80% steel 1911?
>>30339850
Yup, also good if you wanna build your own AR but can't buy a lower cuz you're not 21.
>>30339892
What is required to finish an 80% 1911?
>>30339947
>What is required to finish an 80% 1911?
I don't know, senpai.
I'm just getting some prices to decide on what to do for my first gun.
>>30329946
>google expert
I love it when idiots just spout off bullshit they know nothing about.
>>30339971
Mainly....a jog to cut the rails and drill pin holes
![80_product_image_002[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/w7manfL.jpg "80_product_image_002[1].jpg")
Tactical machining is sold the fuck out. Damnit.
Any other good places to buy at a decent price?
>>30340047
>>30339971
>>30339892
I think you misinterpreted my question, Anon.
From what I see, most 80% 1911 frames are made from aluminum. I was wanting to know who makes good steel 80% frames.
>>30340935
if you make it out of steel you need proper equipment not some drillpress bullshit
just buy a finished 1911 frame or whole gun if you want it. you dont save money on a 1911 build
>>30340957
All sub-$600 1911s seem to be some foreign bullshit.
My family has some bigger tools if I can't just get them off of Craigslist.
Why would it be any harder than just taking longer and needing better tools?
>>30340978
"not as easy" might as well be the definition of "being harder" and steel is definitely not as easy
>>30341007
I've worked with steel before, I know it takes awhile.
I was just wanting to why, if it would, be out of any determined persons reach with a lot of time and decent tools.
>>30336179
>With cheek rest and aft grip
>>30341022
as long as you have the time and tools it's not
if anything you'll end up with a neato custom 1911 because you're handfitting a lot of the stuff anyway
>>30341084
Okay.
I don't have much else to do and a $200 frame with $150 worth of various parts sounds like a nice deal to me.
>>30341095
don't forget the jig
I see a 1911 made from a 80% as a long term project gun because if you're going to take the time grinding away bit by bit you might as well make it with some nice parts
AR15 80% are more like the thing you just fart out fast in an afternoon
>>30341208
at least in america they're practically everywhere
>>30341226
>>30341164
I don't know why I typed that.
I meant to say that I'm not looking for a fast job.
As of currently, a 1911 will be of more use to me.
>>30339971
>80% 1911 for your first gun
lol fuck no
Just go to the gun store and buy something. Don't try to be a special snowflake.
so if i started out with no tools other than maybe a vice how much would it cost to finish an 80%?
>>30342294
Around 4 bills if you have no tools. You don't make an 80 because it's cheaper.
>>30342294
Yout talking the whole rifle or just to finish the lower?
>>30342345
just the lower (reciever, not even talking about finishing the whole lower)
>>30342347
Yeah, around 400
Drill press or router ~ 100
Jig ~ 100
Drills and End Mills ~ 75
Lower ~ 50
>>30342366
sheit. I'm down for a bit of a price hike for muh freedoms but that's quite a bit.
What if I got this and a drill press: http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/13442/
round $200 then prior to coating it?
Price per unit goes down if you do multiple lowers. I've made 10 so far. I replaced all my numbered lowers with completed 80s. I then sold my numbered lowers to a pawn shop so there were records of the transactions. Mr Government man ain't got no records on me...
>>30342378
That should do it + alumahyde
>>30342386
PARA-NOY-YA!
This thread looks like its for me. I'm going to order this kit and this drill press, does this stuff look ok to you guys?
http://daytonatactical.com/collections/80-ar-15-lowers/products/ar15-80-lower-receiver-black-anodized-and-jig-kit-combination-pack
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HQONFVE/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AYZQAQRQKEXRP
>>30343290
I'm just learning about this stuff too but I believe you'll need the drill bits and end mills to do it which aren't included in that jig kit.
Where would an 02/07 FFL find a jig to make full retard 80 lowers?
>>30343671
https://www.machinegunguy.com
