War is brutal, vain, inevitable and fucked. A wise man once said that the people who love machines of war (weapons) are equally vain and fucked. What are your thoughts on this, /k/?
>>30316680
Well I'm incredibly vain so I would imagine he's at least a little bit correct.
>>30316680
>A wise man once said
Are you referring to your dad, or someone we should actually know about? Because whoever it is sounds like a pussy cuck faggot.
Sounds about right.
But if war is inevitable, then it sounds like you need vain and fucked men to fight it.
>>30316680
Sometimes when I poop at my house, I try to see if I can still land it in the toilet when I stand on top of the back part of the toilet
But yeah weapons are okay if you don't commit mass shootings or stuff like that
>>30316695
Kurt Vonnegut, World War Two veteran
>>30316680
this is correct
militarism is for dumbshits
>>30316680
>literally enlisting for the 0.0001% chance il get to shoot some raghead
>even if not I'll be paid to play with guns
I'm fine with that assessment.
>>30316720
Okay. A lot of people were in World War II. Doesn't make them objectively correct, dumbass.
>>30316699
>>30316740
Pussies along with him
>>30316680
I don't like weapons
I just like guns
If you have people who love machines of war, then you have people who want to make your weapons of war better, which gives you the means to make war only brutal vain and "fucked" for your enemies and not yourself. If this really is a quote from a German WW2 vet, its at least partly salt from losing.
>>30316776
dumb animal spotted
>>30316786
He was American
>>30316790
Nah, anti-war liberals are dumb animals and need to be put down.
>>30316802
>not recognizing the famous quote and truism
confirm for dumb animal
>>30316808
Please do your betters a favor and kill yourself.
>>30316680
A wise frenchman once said that clever sayings were meaningless.
What are your thoughts on this?
>>30316822
why? suicide is for vets.
>>30316680
more?
>>30316720
>Kurt Vonnegut
No surprise this sort of self-masturbatory garbage comes as a gift from that vacuous windbag.
>>30316680
Story?
>>30316680
A wiseman once said "If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking."
>>30316833
The vets that blow their brains out are still pussies, but at least they aren't as pussy as someone too busy baiting on 4chan to do anything with their life :^)
>>30316854
I'm not sure I want to ever hear the words "self masturbatory" used as an insult from a libertarian.
>>30316865
Libertarians don't ever suggest they have the best answers, just better answers.
Sorry if that offends.
What's vain is presenting a pseudo-intellectual comment and attributing it to "a wise man" as an argument.
>>30316854
When you are a POW on ground during the fire bombing of Dresden you get to be a windbag.
>>30316860
actually they are the ones with the courage to end their pathetic parasitism.
every dead soldier is a blessing for humanity.
>>30316680
Totally correct,
I would rather have a bunch of vain confident asshole soldiers who know they can get the job done and can look at themselves in a mirror with no remorse rather than a bunch of cuck faggots whos worried about repercussions of firing his gun.
Also photo reminded me to go stir my stew.
>>30316771
I never said he was correct, I just asked your thoughts.
>>30316826
This isn't exactly a well known quote. It isn't really a clever saying either. Doesn't take much brainpower to read and comprehend this one.
>are equally vain and fucked
It's good that we don't need other's validation to ensure our self-worth.
Be your own man and think your own opinion, anon.
Agree to disagree tho.
>>30316680
>>30316885
I'm literally asking you what you think about it. I never claimed or even remotely acted like I was arguing anything.
>>30316918
Who was the wise man who said it?
>>30316680
Isn't that a lady that had a vivisection performed to her by those fucked up Nips in Unit 731?
>>30316802
>agree that war is inevitable
>anti-war liberal
sure thing Animal Mother
i don't see how loving weapons can be called vain
>>30316933
Yeah, a good portion of what we know about chemical and biological warfare came from their experiments. Including a lot about syphilis and other diseases. The japs who performed the experiments were released by the U.S. in exchange for the data they collected, mostly so that the data wouldn't fall into the hands of the Soviets.
>>30316889
Fair enough
>>30316933
no, looks more like explosion wounds than surgery
>>30317081
That's what it looks like to me as well.
Particularly the arm.
>>30317104
That's what happens when you're cut open alive without any medications or antibiotics. Lots of inflammation and swelling.
>>30316680
life in general is vain and fucked.
look around you
This is a very hostile and brutal world we life in.
sometimes war must happen, because no one will give you your freedom on a platter without bloodshed.
People have been killing each other for centuries upon centuries
and if anyone thinks that will change anytime soon is a naive manchild who lives in a fantasy reality.
>>30316680
I dunno, I love war.
I love the sound of guns, the cannons, the artillery, the jet flying by. And that's alright.
Am I fucked? Nah. I'm still standing and have a stable living.
Your wise man doesn't get it does he? War is an innate human trait. Some of us will ignore it, some of us will back out, those who fight because they don't have a choice and then there are those who just bathe in it.
Are they vain? Nope. Are they crazy? Maybe.
They're not having it to boast their ego. Not there to make some false claim.
They're there to have some fun. Even if it kills them.
>>30317116
First of all, you can't see inflammation (any more than you can see a fever).
Second, that's not a cut that was done with any surgical instruments. The tissue is torn, the radius is clearly snapped/fractured.
Not saying it wasn't done by people, but if it was, it wasn't surgical.
>>30316680
> this is totally fine to post
> posting one nipple will get you banned
pic related
>>30316680
I don't pretend that war is cool or good, so what's the problem? I'm not waging war with my weapons.
>>30317212
It was done by murderous savages in lab coats.
>>30317200
>posts picture of a retard
>spews pseduo-intellectual bullshit about human nature
as always /k/ is worse than /pol/
>>30317215
welcome to america
>>30317152
While this is true, most of us have never experienced a total war carnage similar to WWI - II. Humanity tends to wise up an btfo after episodes like this,.
Then as soon the vets die out and the memories of horror fade out we're right back it again.
Cold was is best war imo.
>>30317200
>They're there to have some fun. Even if it kills them.
spotted the acne faced cawaduty addict prepubed teen
>>30316680
War is the most faithful mistress I have known -- no wonder, then, that I return fire.
>>30316680
thats not war, that was done in the name of science. just so you think twice of those enlightened studied men
>>30317224
>>30317234
What, are you going to deny that humans are naturally violent and brutish?
The only good reason to not partake in any war as of now is that its costs outweigh it's benefits, and creates bad blood.
>>30317253
This is a quote from an author that never saw what 1000 shells per sq. m looks like.
>>30317228
post revolutionary USSR was best in my opinion
it was war and survival of the fittest as jews were purging village to village.
>>30317269
>naturally violent and brutish
Maybe you should, ya know, not be that?
>>30317269
no one goes to war out of "fun" you dinky little moron.
They do it out of necessity, sometimes they do it because it's better off dead than being ruled by a tyrannical regime.
fuckers that think war is "fun" are mentally unstable and unfit to live in society in the first place.
>war is fucked
Okay, agreed.
>therefore affinity for weapons of war is fucked
Maybe. But keep in mind that having weapons of war are the only thing that can check others and their weapons of war. If the fact of war being inevitable is true then it is basically a choice between fighting the war armed vs unarmed.
Not saying miltarism is necessary but you can bet your ass an unarmed party is going to be a much more vulnerable target for war/violence
>>30317269
>What, are you going to deny that humans are naturally violent and brutish?
warfare is a social construct, not some kind of predisposed genetic condition. just because your own teenage angst results in an unhealthy obsession with violence doesn't mean the rest of humanity is as big of a faggot as you are.
>>30317321
>warfare is a social construct, not some kind of predisposed genetic condition.
thats where youre wrong.
>>30317331
>says the pizza-faced teenager
ok, it's not like the vast majority of anthropological, historical, and a dozen other fields of study on human action agrees on that conclusion
>inb4 read war before civilization
that book criticizes the idea of some sort of utopian pre-history, it doesn't say anything about genetics. social constructs have existed for a million years. even animals have social constructs.
>>30316929
the guy with his head all shattered sitting there looks like he isnt giving one single fuck.
now that is cool as cool can get.
>>30317374
>ok, it's not like the vast majority of anthropological, historical, and a dozen other fields of study on human action agrees on that conclusion
no youre just vastly uninformed. War is a aprt of nature....it happens all around us every day.
Ever see a colony of ants war with another colony? Ever see wasps war with honey bees ?
war is a part of the natural order of life.
>>30317426
>comes up with the worst analogies ever
>calls others uninformed
>>30317308
>Maybe. But keep in mind that having weapons of war are the only thing that can check others and their weapons of war.
I'm sure you know, but there are plenty of reasons to own weapons of war than to check others. Owning an artifact of history, mechanical curiosity, practical purposes unrelated to war, ect.
>>30317457
look little boy, you're too stupid to argue with me in the first place, so here's your last (you).
>>30317467
I own my AK 47 and few grenades so I can have something to shoot back and chuck with as the other faggot too.
every sane man's #1 priority in life should be to own the most deadliest weapons he can get in his possession.
because that is what the crazies want as well.
>>30317489
Oh sorry, I didn't realize your ludicrous redefinition of warfare (especially in the context of the OP topic of human warfare) to include insects was a genuine attempt at a real argument. I thought it was just weak shit-posting.
>>30317321
you do realize chimpanzees wage war with one other right? they fight for more or better territory or to get more females.
>>30317636
this
>>30316894
(you)
>>30317636
firstly, to call fighting for mates "warfare" is laughable. by that argument, the stray cats in my neighborhood are engaging in warfare. mating is biologically driven, don't drag your human constructs into this.
that goes with territorial instincts too
>my dog pissing on the tree is actually prepping for war
>>30317636
secondly was meant for territorial instincts
but ill just go with, secondly, you're still retarded
>>30317255
It was done in the name of further developing weapons of war
>>30317739
>>30317746
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
>because they are animals they must be peaceful hur hur
>>30316680
That may be true, but the alternative is to be conquered.
>>30316680
Nah dude, war is fucking awesome and the only ones who don't think so are faggots, POGs, and pussies.
>>30318119
that quote is brutal af
I love it
>>30317374
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War#Evolutionary
>>30317301
Because people serving in Iraq and Afghanistan were doing it out of necessity.
>>30316680
>War is brutal, vain, inevitable and fucked.
So is life.
I get what the guy is saying. To love the tools to make war is might as well to make war itself. But that simply isn't true.
Some are relic of a dark past, others good memories. Machines of war represent power and the ability to say "hey, I'm here, respect me and my allies or you'll regret it."
It shouldn't be "fuck you I do what I want." Or based on assumptions someone is having something like chemical weapons with no proof.
War should always be a last resort, when no other solution can be found.
War and it's results always leaves some form of lasting damage that sits on a generation.
War is fucked, I agree.
But war has been a cornerstone of human society since pre-historical times. Human nature is naturally inclined to greed, ambition, and violence. From the smallest blood feuds to the largest kingdoms, man has always fought man. I just enjoy learning about the tools man has created and the philosophies and strategies behind the eternal struggle fought by humans against other humans since time immemorial. I don't think being fascinated with that is any more fucked than being interested in ancient to modern politics, agriculture or societies. Besides, im not the one fighting a war, just learning about what was done by those who came before me.
>>30316720
You misspelled Gersh Kuntzman.
>>30320046
gots to have them bennies
>>30318119
>dat strawman
>all that anthropomorphism
remember kids, animals have social constructs too
>>30320038
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War#Evolutionary
>not a single mention of genetic origins whatsoever
if you're going to post a wikipedia link, try posting one that actually backs your argument and doesn't have an ongoing accuracy dispute
>>30321644
>all that anthropomorphism
>owever, later research using less intrusive methods confirmed that chimpanzee societies in their natural state wage war.[10][11]
[10]^ a b Morris, p. 290
[11]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140917131816.htm
>>30321746
And if you actually bothered to read the referenced article, it lends absolutely no credibility to the notion that warfare is genetic in nature, especially when chimps have been documented to form social constructs.
>>30316680
My cock is very veiny, he got it right!
>>30318119
>posting the shrill reactionary hysterics of a monarchist who knows their days are numbered
topkek
>a guy said something once
>therefore you're fucked in the head if you like to put holes on paper or leave your future to other men who for the most part ahve only put holes in paper.
A wise man doesn't live his life based on the words of other supposed wise men.
