A co worker told me today that no modern military uses shotguns, but that can't be true. Right? Pic unrelated.
>>30312210
>no modern military uses shotguns
Absolutely false
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individual_weapons_of_the_U.S._Armed_Forces
Scroll down to shotguns
>>30312210
The us uses the Mossberg m90a1 and others I think
More for ship board defense, mp duty, crowd control amnd door breaching than anything I think but its still used
Shotgun thread?
They're mostly used for breaching and less lethal crowd control.
But sometimes they're used for direct combat. The Marines liked using them in Iraq, and there are a lot of good reports of how effective 12 gauge is in room to room fighting.
I'm pretty sure people in the naval get certified on the Mossberg 500 and the M9.
>>30312238
You mean the 590a1,870mcs and m1014
>>30312527
Submariner here. Can confirm qualified on armory Remingtons and had Mossbergs on board the boat. The shotguns are so similiar if you qualify on one it's good for the other. A pump shotgun is a pump shotgun.
Canada uses off the shelf 870s.
>>30313230
What's a shotgun on a submarine for? Putting down mutinies?
Is Mutiny still a problem for modern navies?
>>30313230
Also a submariner, the only weapon on a submarine that there is more of than 870s/500s is M9s.
>>30313264
Also, what's the best anti-squid weapon?
Former US Army Combat Engineer here, I carried a Mossberg 500 in Ramadi Iraq, mostly for breaching but I shot at hadji with it when I had the chance.
MP's and some NG units are trained on shotguns for crowd control use as well.
>>30313264
Topside sentry stands watch with one (or an m4 depending on the ship).
Otherwise they are literally for repelling borders.
>>30313306
What sort of load do they use with those shotguns?
Would it be sufficient for polar bear defense?
>>30313338
00 buck and no choke
>>30312389
Why are they wearing single color uniforms? Serious question.
Army armorer here. We've got m500 mossbergs.
>>30313230
Reminder that torpedo division can kill everyone on the ship whenever they want without any possibility of armed resistance.
>>30313379
Early MARPAT had a problem of melting and sticking to burned skin in the vehicle fires that happened after IED detonations.
While the Marines were stocking up on enough flame resistant MARPAT for everyone they issued tan/khaki flame-resistant pilot's jumpsuits as a stopgap substitute.
>>30313457
Wow thanks a lot. How do these things keep getting through? Navy is still rolling out flame resistant coveralls because our NWUs melt to flesh when exposed to flame lol.
>>30313351
Hmm, I have no experience fighting bears, but I did some googling and found this:
http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf
It says with 00 buck, you'd be fucked against a polar bear.
00 buck probably wouldn't be lethal until it was only 5 yards away. They don't even bother to rate 5.56. They say anything under .30-06 is worthless, with .30-06 representing the bare minimum of what you need.
And they're talking mostly about brown bears. Polar bears are even meaner... What could the Navy use against polar bears?
50BMG? Is there something a bit more reasonable?
>>30313651
There's a bunch of these.
>>30313651
2 top side rovers with M4s would drop a polar bear. Idc how strong a bear is, 30 556 rounds will drop it. Watch the video of the moose getting dropped by 3 rounds from a glock. (9mm I believe).
These caliber things are more so when it comes down to single shot humane kills.
>>30313651
Also bears aren't exactly going to hurt the boat, it's kind of made of metal and you can almost certainly scare them off with the LRAD.
>>30312210
Bullshit at ft Henning the clearance procedures posted at all buildings list the procedure for Mossberg 500s
>>30313683
Yeah, I do think automatic fire is probably the trick to bears.
I bet even automatic 5.56 would take down a bear no problem. I wonder if any Alaskans use automatics as their personal bear gun.
>>30313716
I believe they we're talking about subs, which due to coating you'd not like to have a bear clawing ariund.
>>30313732
https://youtu.be/0h1XlsskYmY
Small moose but still, mag dumping will kill anything. It's a fact of life, unless you just don't aim and miss or only hit one leg.
>>30313736
A bear isn't going to damage SHT tiles just by walking around on them, or even clawing at them, they're on there pretty good.
>>30313736
Subs are designed to slam through six feet of hard arctic ice, I doubt a bear can scratch the paint worse than surfacing through an ice pack.
>>30313293
What are the duties of a Combat Engineer?
>>30313762
I would NOT trust 9mm to get through a bears skin/fat. No way my bear gun would be a glock.
>>30313457
>pilot's jumpsuits
>>30313772
>>30313775
Both good points. As a surface Sailor my knowledge only goes as far as to know that you can bounce the OODs coffee mug off of a nearby sub.
>>30313791
You're right, the proper term is flight suit, I'm working off 4h of sleep in the past three days, my sincerest apologies/go eat a dick.
>>30313775
What if the bear smells food?
>>30313788
They come in 10mm, but you're a silly goose if you don't think 18 9mm rounds wouldn't drop a bear lol. I'd put my life on the line of i had 20 yards of prep time. It's rushing head on, the skull is only so thick.
>>30313651
Slugs, like anyone that carries a shotgun for bear defense uses. Saboted, Savaustre,hexolite, or any DGS Slug.
Or for fun, plated 000,0000 or Tri-ball
Military buckshot is just green Winchester super-X which is like the hydrashok of it's day
>>30313821
If it was all I had, I'd have to make due, but I wouldn't want to go into bear country without a rifle.
>>30313843
Id prefer an AR, I am confident in my ability with 31 rounds, but I'd trust 18 9mm
>>30313781
Breaching, demolition, route clearance, constructing fighting positions, traffic control points and combat trails. That sorta thing.
>>30313820
It'll have to climb up the 12 foot tall, featureless metal sail with no external features and then somehow climb down a ladder though two 2 foot diameter hatches to even get close.
Not super worried about that.
>>30313890
And this is how Russia wins the next door you idiot squid.
>>30313651
Given that magdumping an AK is a successful method of dealing with Elephants I'm sure magdumping an M4 would work on a bear about as well.
>>30313283
spears and steely resolve
>movie is GOAT
>>30313788
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5bbh1kxmFTM
Not the first case of this. I'm not underestimating or down playing the ferocity that bears can posses, but proper ammo and good shooting is better than a .44 that you can't shoot for shit. Bears do have thick skulls, but keep in mind that the old bullets bouncing off of bear skulls thing is rooted in soft lead musket/miniballs.
9mm isn't ideal, but better than nothing
>>30313907
War.... Jesus
>>30313821
>the skull is only so thick
are you planning on drilling enough 9mm into the same spot on a charging bear's skull to penetrate? bear brains are tiny
>>30313817
No, he's saying they aren't flight suits either. They're Combat Vehicle-crewman Coveralls or CVC's. Used by tankers and trackers because they're flame retardant and a lot more comfortable in a hot ass track than marpat cammies.
>>30313907
What, by jamming bears into small holes?
>>30313890
Polar bears are over 10 feet tall. They can probably pull themselves up 12 feet if they reach for it.
Once that bear is in the sub, it would be a bloodbath. A submarine is basically just tinned meat to a polar bear.
>>30313908
this
I'm tired of numbnuts talking about 1 shot kills like they're sniping the bears
>>30313966
If the bear sneaks up on you, which is exactly what they've evolved to do, and you only realize it's there when it's charging the last few meters, I want something that can take it down in as few rounds as possible.
Polar bears actively stalk and hunt people. We're prey to them.
>>30314002
We are the apex predator in any environment with a firearm, aside from in the water. Shut the fuck up.
>>30314027
The bears don't know that, they treat us as prey. The gun doesn't prevent a polar bear from stalking you.
>>30313938
funny, they look like they're cut exactly like my flightsuit.
>>30314044
They are lol. As our our new underway coveralls.
>>30314002
If you're on guard duty and the bear sneaks up on you, you've earned your mauling.
You're on guard duty, it is your job to not get snuck up on.
>>30313651
an Alaskan dropped a charging grizzly with 15 or so rounds of 5.45x39
>>30313283
That would be the "M1909 James Mason".
It works 100% of the time
>>30312210
None other than the United States Military, the best in the world.
>>30313955
The bear would have to climb up the sheer metal surface that rounds off at the top to where the dudes are. You'll note how there's a dude with a machine gun as well as a lookout sitting on the back of the sail chilling.
A bear isn't going to get up there.
>>30312210
What revolver is that?
>>30314108
What do they do if someone falls down? how do they get him back up? is there an emergency ladder?
>>30314134
A fake one from Alien Isolation. I'm from /tg/ and I used it in a game.
>>30314147
Yes there's a fucking ladder you idiot. It's how you board. Do you know any bears who are climbing ladders??
>>30314162
Pretty much a Chiappa tho.
>>30314203
well, they climb trees
>>30314147
You're required to wear a harness.
Also they should have a rope ladder somewhere for that man overboard shit.
>>30314203
>>30314215
Yeah I don't see why a bear couldn't climb a ladder.
>>30313954
As a gay man, my body is ready.
What are we talking about again?
>>30314227
They dig claws into bark you mongoloid. They are not climbing a fcking ladder lol.
>>30314240
Submarines, and since you're a gay man you don't have to worry, your post was still on topic.
>>30314240
As a gay man you have no small holes left aside from your nostrils.
>>30314260
Yeah, but it's not my holes I'm coming for.
>>30314244
Literally a 1 second google search. Kill yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV8U0eUn2GI
>>30314244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV8U0eUn2GI
>>30314288
>>30314291
>>30314203
There is not a fixed external ladder.
Although you know I have seen technical drawings of a rope ladder system for fairwater planes boats that goes up onto the plains from topside then to the top of the sail. I've never actually seen the thing or heard of it being used despite of being on a fairwater planes boat though sea trials and deployment.
>>30314027
Very few animals learn what a firearm is and how fucked they are if we have one.
I have seen crop raiding birds only fuck off once they see a gun come out. Wilds dogs get way to close to comfort unlesd you have a gun and they realise it.
Apex predators like bears, crocodiles, lions etc dont ever learn what these things are though and they treat you as prey.
>>30314288
>"hey what are you doing there?"
>bear climbs back down
>>30314313
Then humor me, Mr. Dolphins. How do you get in and out of a sub after your breach ice, if not via a ladder.
>>30312210
Show your friend this
http://youtu.be/p4ebtj1jR7c
>>30314347
Same way the bears will get on.
They just submerge the boat until you can step on.
>>30314162
Damn. I wonder if I can do a conversion. It looks nice
>>30314365
Well that's not true lol.
>>30314347
With the assistance of the arctic submarine laboratory.
>>30313861
Combat trails? Also any good stories?
>this thread
Bears are the rising threat to humanity's throne of apex dominance.
>>30312210
They do, but almost solely for breaching.
>>30314062
might be useful to have pockets at the regular spots for you guys. for flyers it's pointless to have pockets there.
>>30312210
I recently got out of the military and we used the 870 with 00 buck when I was a maintainer for nuclear weapons. We had a few loaded shotguns in the maintenance bay whenever we were working on a nuke. We also had to have one of us post security in full gear with an 870 whenever the outside bay doors were open.
As for the gun itself, it was basically the 870 MCS with the pistol grips and rails (but we never used the rails). I heard that before my old unit got the 870, they were issued Mossbergs with wood furniture, but because wood couldn't hold up to the abuse of being thrown around between gun safe and the gun racks on site, they adopted the polymer 870. What's funny is that we were only required to load 4 rounds in the magazine tube even though it could hold more.
>>30312210
>tfw every platoon had their Mossberg guy ready to breach everything
>>30313838
12 gauge Super-X is weak ass bullshit
buckshot won't even penetrate the thin metal skin of a refrigerator door
I know you guys had a nuggetfest somewhere and tried it yourself. What happened?
>>30313283
The SCAR
I actually was stalked by a polar bear once, ama.
>>30317959
Do you get good wifi inside a bear?
>>30317959
How deep is your love?
Is your love
How deep is your love
>>30317964
Idk, but the submarine I escaped to does,
Stupid question, but whats good about pump action shotguns? Is it because it's cheaper?
>>30318062
More reliable
>>30318062
Reliability, can cycle lighter loads easier, can switch shot types easier and you only need the chuck-chuck sound half the time.
>>30318062
A pump is more intuitive to use in close quarters/point shooting than a turn-bolt, and it'll keep shooting no matter what ammo you put through it unlike a semi.
>>30317959
how many bricks did you shit when you found out?
>>30313762
Why did the guy keep advancing on the fucker?
Let the thing pass by, no need to piss it off.
>>30313264
stopping somali pirates from fucking your shit up
>>30318416
what would somali pirates use for bear defense? dragunov?
