Let's talk about when the left had to take up arms to fight for their rights.
The coal wars come to mind. If it wasn't for armed labor struggle, children would still be working unlimited hours in whatever condition the boss saw fit. We would be slaves working for chit working in the company store.
The left has forgotten the roots the Democratic party has in fighting Pinkertons and the National Guard. They honestly believe that there is no reason to own a rifle other than to commit mass murder. They forgot about privately funded spies infiltrating unions to try to spend all their money on lavish benefits.
Liberals have softened up the left. They are too cucked to realize they are giving their power back tot he state.
What weapons did the workers use to fight industrialists? What are some of the most important times that the left had to take up arms?
I'm a little scared to post about this but people talk about Rhodesia and the Middle East and other conflicts, so I hope this is appropriate.
>>30308509
Leftists haven't softened, they got what they wanted. Positions of immense power in the west.
>implying child labor is a bad thing.
>>30308509
The pendulum swings, my friend. We're unfortunately in the middle of an extreme swing to one side, but things are starting to swing back. Trouble is that (((some people))) would rather things stay where they are and that the people clamor for being unarmed and pliant, and we're seeing the results in increasing polarization.
>>30308509
The left today is nothing like the left of 100 years ago.
Leftists, even some commies, were fundamentally decent people for the most part, who desired a more equitable distribution of wealth in society, for those who worked. I think their economics were flawed, but their motivations were good.
Leftists today simply want to kill Western civilization while their client groups (BLM, La Raza, Mudslimes, gays to some extent) benefit as much as possible from the collapse. See Section 8 housing to destroy good neighborhoods, school bussing to destroy good schools, diversity quotas to destroy universities and companies.
>>30309005
liberals != the left.
The people in extreme positions of power now are no different than the industrialists that labor movements went to war with. They pay lip service to left wing social issues such as the right to marry who you want (a fundamental right that HRC herself only recognized 3 years ago).
The left exists to fight the rigged system of capital accumulation and exploitation of workers. There are several groups on the left that were suppressed or branded as radical by the state, such as anarchists, socialists, and communists. Liberals, or the left as it is seen today, is more of a centrist group which is merely the state approved brand of the left.
The perception of Liberal politics is a welfare state, which is just another form of slavery. The key guiding principle to left wing movements, such as unions, was that people who work hard should get paid.
>>30309081
> Leftists, even some commies, were fundamentally decent people for the most part, who desired a more equitable distribution of wealth in society, for those who worked. I think their economics were flawed, but their motivations were good.
I think this is the key aspect of the left. See the Battle of Blair Mountain and the coal wars.
The miners were forced to live in houses they rented from the company, to groceries from the company store, to use company scrip as currency. They started work before dawn and finished after dark.
In Logan county, the company killed the police chief and inserted themselves as the government. People got tired of their shit, took up arms, and went to war with the industrialists in 1921. If the workers didn't get organized and fight, the owners would have never let up.
Liberals are fucking allergic to guns. Do they think if an actual fascist gets into power that the fascists will give a shit about safe-spaces?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpyJtBl0-w4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
>>30309005
Lmao wat
We literally haven't been in position of power half as often as liberals.
The world is a fuck huge ultra liberal capitalistic succes.
>>30308509
>They forgot about privately funded spies infiltrating unions to try to spend all their money on lavish benefits.
To be fair, the Unions forgot about it too, and about why they would have done that.
Guns they used at Blair mountain according to the NRA:
> Nearly every extant photograph of the armed miners shows at least one of them with a Model 1873 Winchester rifle in his hands. Already a favorite of hunters for more than 45 years and just out of production at the time, the lever-action Winchester rifle, chambered mostly in .44-40 Win. (or .44 WCF), but also in .38-40 Win., .32-20 Win., and even .22 rimfire, carried a minimum of 12 rounds in its tubular magazine beneath the barrel, depending on the caliber. Accurate and handy, the Winchester had a smooth toggle-link action that allowed the firer to shoot multiple successive rounds from the shoulder without interrupting his aim, unlike the case with many bolt-action rifles. While other lever-action rifles are also seen in surviving photographs, and are noted in documentary sources, the Model 1873 rifle is by far the most prevalent.
Model 1873 Winchester Rifle
chambered in .44-40 Win, .38-40 Win., 32-20 Win, and 22LR
>inb4 all I do is Win.
12 round capacity
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I bet they weren't making arguments that since the founding fathers only had muskets that no one should own a lever action gun.
Mother Jones was a gun carrying woman who advocated shootin' and killin' as means of achieving social progress.
The magazine she's named after thinks that guns are the worst thing ever.
Shows you how little people really know.
>>30310816
Plenty of machine guns and other things too, and the government brought surplus WW1 chemical munitions to the party.
>and liberals wonder why many of us in the South are paranoid of the government
Our homes have been invaded and our ancestors have been bombed with authentic "weapons of war".
>>30310816
>Guns used at the Battle of Blair Mountain cont
Swiss Vetterli rifle:
NRA says, "the Vetterli was considered the 'poor man’s bear gun' ".
It's a bolt action rifle that fired .41 RF. It was used originally by Swiss Infantry.
IV8888 shooting one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRwDDA9e5Ak
source for these and others:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2014/3/13/guns-of-the-battle-of-blair-mountain/
>>30310941
mfw i hear some copperhead talkin shit
>>30310941
>Mother Jones
huh, didn't know that, guess I should do some research on the old bird.
>Machine Guns
Brings me to my next gun:
from the NRA again, "the Thompson submachine gun apparently earned its place in history as a significant game changer in battle at Blair Mountain".
The Thompson was a brand new gun. It was designed from 1917-1920 and released in 1921. I'm not sure how they got a hold of these, but I bet that's an interesting story.
Shoots .45 ACP. Legit "military grade weaponry".
>surplus chemical weapons
Do you have a source for that? I haven't read about that. Those bastards.
>>30311075
Pinkerton get out.
>>30311131
According to Wiki it was mostly gas and non-lethal chemical bombs, but I've read a variety of things over the years.
And it's possible they were using old mustard/etc canisters that just weren't that potent anymore.
Nevertheless, President Harding authorized it.
Nothing to contribute but monitoring this thread
>Mother Jones
pic also related
>>30309081
> commie
> "fundamentaly decent"
> "human being"
>>30312004
Hows shaving with that edge?
Colorado also had it's own labor wars from 1903 to 1904
from wiki:
>Colorado's most significant battles between labor and capital occurred between miners and mine operators. In these battles the state government, with one exception, sided with the mine operators. Additional participants have included the National Guard, often informally called the militia; private contractors such as the Pinkertons, Baldwin–Felts, and Thiel detective agencies; and various labor entities, Mine Owners' Associations, and vigilante groups and business-dominated groups such as the Citizens' Alliance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Labor_Wars
The Pinkertons were basically professional shitlords.There featured in the show Deadwood if any of you guys remember that.
There was also the Ludlow Massacre which was almost exactly that scene from They Live where the police run the bulldozers through the tent city and run out all the people.
The workers had some insane demands which included:
> Recognition of the union as bargaining agent
Compensation for digging coal at a ton-rate based on 2,000 pounds [20] (Previous ton-rates were of long-tons of 2,200 pounds)
>Enforcement of the eight-hour work day law
>Payment for "dead work" (laying track, timbering, handling impurities, etc.)
>Weight-checkmen elected by the workers (to keep company weightmen honest)
>The right to use any store, and choose their boarding houses and doctors
>Strict enforcement of Colorado's laws (such as mine safety rules, abolition of scrip), and an end to the company guard system
John D. Rockefeller who owned the mining operation didn't appreciate the workers getting high and mighty, so he tore all their homes down. 25 people were killed.
One of the things that they were fighting for was state fucking law. The mine operators were the law. Armed fuckers with guns came to get you to go to work in the morning.
Baldwin–Felts Detective Agency was an anti-worker aggressor in WV and CO.
>>30313329
>"detective" agencies
I wonder if the future will look back at the names of our present day PMCs and think "now that was class."
>>30313361
The "detective" agencies were alot like modern PMCs. I don't know if PMCs will do intelligence gathering, but a Pinkerton was a spook-for-hire. I mentioned it earlier, but one tactic they had was to join the union, get into the upper ranks, and waste all of the unions money so they would be forced to shut down.
Furthermore, it's not like these guys went to war with miners and then stopped existing. Pinkerton is still very much a company today. They were created in 1850 with the expressed purpose of giving employers more power and control over their employees.
If you ever played Bioshock infinite, the character you play as is an ex-Pinkerton who has a dark past. His dark past is union busting. It's implied that his character took part in the Homestead Strike, which took place in 1892 in Pittsburgh at between workers and the Carnegie Steel Plant.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Strike
Pinkertons tried to infiltrate the workers area by coming in on the river at 4:00 in the morning in some straight up marine style combat, but got held up by other armed boats that had entire families on them.
They had a drawn out fight for a full day which included the strikers attempting to blow up the Pinkerton barges with dynamite and pouring oil into the river to set it on fire.
Over 5,000 men turned up to fight the Pinkertons.
Eventually the Pinkertons surrendered and they exfiltrated via train. After that the governor, who had been elected because of Carnegie, sent in the state militia to "protect the Carnegie plant".
You can read up on the details on the wiki page, but over 6,000 soldiers came to put down the strike and put the men back to work. 6 people got bayonetted who tried to intervene/ tried to prevent the production from restarting.
Also, there was a minor race war between the black workers and the white workers after the state forced them to go back to work. The city was under marshall law for a while.
>>30313690
That's what I was getting at, yeah. And yes there are private intel outfits.
Mother Jones says, "you better quit making those kids work or I will shoot you in the fucking face".
Bump until I get more research done.
>>30309371
I wonder if Foxconn would exist in China if they had guns?
>>30308509
I would consider myself more of a constitutionalist libertarian, however, the issue with the modern day left isn't just becoming soft. They're also starting to become the equivalent of the Cold War Era Pinko, and are already showing the first few signs of becoming authoritarian commies (See the EU). It is best they be removed of power now until jt gets worse.
>>30316121
That's a thought! 1.3 million workers. In name, China is a "people's" republic. It should be the case that the workers are running the show. It's just the rich exploiting the poor all over again, America writ large.
If the miners and the steel workers didn't have guns I wonder if they would have committed suicide by the dozen as well.
>>30316323
China has never been a "people's republic" since its inception. It had been autocratic in the Mao years, totalitarian in the immediate decade after Mao, and is now a totalitarian and open-market hybird since Deng Xiaoping came into power.
The situation with China now is that the political ranks is effectively controlled by untouchable elites while commoners are left to fend for themselves in a regulation-free capitalist environment mixed with a good measure of corruption and still restricted personal freedom. The PRC has never been the socialist "utopia" its founders suggested.
>>30316036
Are you a grill?
Bump for more research.
