How ugly is it gonna be when the general public realizes that any asshole with a 3D printer can get a gun?
>>30307336
By the time the technology is advanced enough to where it is cheaper for somebody to buy a 3D printer instead of just go out and buy a factory made gun, the files for guns printed from 3D printers will be illegal, traceable, and probably protected much how they have antipirate software on music/videogames.
>>30307336
That looks better than my rattlecan plan to insure my guns stay on my person.
Everybody does know, but nobody freaks out because they haven't been used for crime (yet)
>>30307385
>insure
ensure
>>30307336
Im more interested on waiting for them to learn about 80% lowers.
>>30307357
>illegalizing a file with a picture of a gun illegal
They can't even keep real guns out of the hands of mentally challenged muslim fags, what makes you think a law like that will be enforceable?
>>30307357
But the models are made by regular people, they wouldn't apply any protection to the files. The printers would have to detect those particular files and it's generally easy to get things like that.
Video games have protection because they're executable files and the protection is part of the programming. You can't run the game without also running the DRM. Audio and video can have encryption and digital watermarking but those have to be put in place by the company and enforced by the audio/video players. The home gun designer won't nerf his own files.
>>30307357
>antipirate software
Because those have definitely never been commonly cracked days after they release.
>>30307441
Have you not heard of ghost guns and 30 caliber magazine clips?
here you go guys!
>>30307448
It's illegal in Australia to have CAD files of guns if you don't have the correct permit or something like that
>>30307387
Cuz blacks and Muslims are to dumb to work a 3d printer
>>30307336
>Any asshole with a 3d printer
Because, you know. Gang bangers typically just have those in a corner somewhere.
>>30307567
>Denuvo's not a thing.
Stay in denial piratefag, it'll be over soon.
>>30307336
Attepmt to legislate for serial numbers to be placed on all parts of the gun, ban sales of parts unless original is surrendered, repairs can only be made by manufacturer and original parts must be provided.
There's not really a home method for creating a useful and durable barrel yet, or a rifle receiver capable of withstanding pressure.
Printers and home workshops are good for making the kind of gun you only intend to use once.
>>30307589
Well Shit.
When did these laws come into play in Australia?
>>30307385
Post pics
Does anyone have the guide about pouring plastic into a mold to make one?
>>30307950
Some nerd white guy does. He'll sell them to gang bangers at 2 grand a pop too
>>30307357
>>30307589
Oh no, better hand myself in.
>>30307336
You can make a Luty SMG with a hacksaw and a drill press. Most people don't own a printer or have the funds for one capable of printing something like the liberator.
While printing a lower may technically be the same as printing a forearm from the ATF's perspective, you still need everything else. Laws could be passed which end easy access to upper receiver and render this approach useless.
Anti-gun people don't care though. This isn't about anything but advancing disarmament. It there are gaps they will address them later.
>>30307336
Already there partner. There is a gentleman here that purchased a 0% AR lower. He uses it as a master in order to make sand molds and cast 0% blanks. He then machines the blanks into functional lowers.
>>30307951
It has been cracked.
>>30308578
>0% ar lowers
?? a block of aluminum??
Unless of course you mean a completed 100% ar lower you fucking NEET.
>>30308623
http://www.80percentarms.com/products/0-billet-ar-15-lower-receiver
>>30308623
This you dumb fuck. 0%....a raw casting. Sure is summer in here
>>30308635
Thats not a 0% lower faggot
>>30308633
>http://www.80percentarms.com/products/0-billet-ar-15-lower-receiver
>>30308623
Thats a 0% lower, a fucking block of aluminum. Learn yourself retard, this is the internet, fucking look it up next time.
>>30308635
>casting
I think you mean forging.
Cast lowers when tried often crack below the stock threads, same as the shittier plastic ones
>>30308651
Yes it is...0% of the machining has been done, retard.
>>30307336
Do 3D printed weapons actually work? I always think they just going to blow up in your face.
>>30308657
He makes a sand mold, pours in molten aluminum...casting....forging....whatever. point is...they work
>>30308669
theyre are all over youtube working
>>30308659
You cant call it a 0% machined, when your forging it faggot, google 0% ar15 lower, its a brick of aluminum, something that is actual 0% toward being a functional lower. God your stupid.
>>30308704
Call others names on the Internet anonymously; does that help you feel better about yourself? Does it ease your pain?
>>30307336
Ammo ban
>thanks arfags
>>30307583
this doesnt look like a normal LL
>>30308704
Damn son, you got schooled
Don't you still need a non-3D printed upper? Why use 3D printing to make AR-15's when you could just come up with new models that are fully 3D printable?
>>30307357
Obligatory
>>30308829
Yep, plus unless you somehow have access to a laser-sintered metal printer any lower you print is going to be fragile garbage compared to just milling out an 80%.
>>30308790
>>30308802
>>30308814
No witty come back? >>30308704
>>30308704
Still waiting for your response, cupcake.
>>30307556
>the protection isn't part of the programming
I like this board but it srsly has some of the stupidest posters on the entire site
>>30307357
No. I own a reprap, all it is composed of is a cheap arduino knockoff, 5 stepper motors and a heated nozzle bolted on to 2020 beams.
.STL files hold Image information only, you can't insert DRM into it.
Basically, unless you ban hobby electronics and/or blender/solidworks you can't do jack shit.
Or you know what? Ban anyone from obtaining a high school education as well while we are at it... That basic chemistry and physics education could be dangerous!
>NJ laws still preventing me from printing out my raifu
Can't leave soon enough
>>30311186
Oh, and the parts costed me about $270, not counting tooling and spares. Cheaper than a gun.
>>30307336
How ugly is it gonna be when the public realizes that any one of the 30 million AR15s can be used to make infinite AR15s?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/676733_Fruity_Ghost___DIY_100s_of_ARs_cheaper__faster__gentler_.html
>>30307583
>LL
good luck finding an SP-1 profile BCG.
>>30310638
Please explain instead of being a jerk. You quoted me and changed "is" to "isn't" so I don't know if you're trying to correct or if you typoed. I'm a software developer, I'm not talking out of my ass
>>30308941
>>30313814
>that bare metal
looks like someone's constructing a machine gun...
>>30314013
different anon, and im not constructing a machine gun, but id like to know if anyone has a guide to make an ar-15 select fire, not with a lightning link but with a second sear, like the ones I use in the military. I figure it would actually be kinda hard because you have to build a sear, drill the 3rd hole, and build a new hammer with the little spike
>>30314169
>but id like to know if anyone has a guide to make an ar-15 select fire, not with a lightning link
You actually can make the LL select fire:
>http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/ll_selectivefire2.htm
Basically, all you do is grind on the selector switch bar and then cut a specifically placed notch in your disconnector.
>I figure it would actually be kinda hard because you have to build a sear, drill the 3rd hole, and build a new hammer with the little spike
Even if you were to get an M-16 fire control group, you would need to mill your lower out quite a bit to get everything to fit right.
Left is an AR. Right is an M-16. Notice how much more relief is cut behind the fire control group.
Tl;dr you need a full auto fire control group, and you'd need to mill your receiver some. Making the fire control group wouldn't be easy, although making the auto sear itself is possible (check murdercube).
If you have the capacity to make an AR into an M16 "the right way", you could make select fire LL ARs alot easier and cheaper, even if you were going about it the hard way and cutting down m16 profile BCGs into SP1s.
>>30314256
A lot of AR15's made by larger companies still come with SP1 BCGs. Both of my Rugers came with them. Colt definitely still uses them.
>>30314344
huh, odd. Most of what I've seen from common brands are M16 profile.
>>30314452
It depends on the brand. It's really hit and miss. FN also still uses SP1s in the FN15s. I think companies that make military rifles tread a rather fine line when they make AR15s and call them shorter rifles.
>>30314606
I just looked up the FN15, and it appears to have an M16 profile BCG.
Since the advent of the curved commercial AR pattern BCG, I don't think anyone makes LL compatible SP1s anymore.
>>30307336
How about if they realize that any person with bit of knowledge and access to basic machine shop tools can make firearm(s). Basic single-shot firearms or even SMG firing from open bolt are not structurally that complicated.
>>30311243
Can you pour any metals into that?
>>30317282
Fucking exactly. 3D printed guns are so stupid. I'm sick of hearing about them.
Are you going to 3d print primer? Casings? Bullets? Primer? Gunpowder?
How about barrels? Firing chambers?
It's stupid. Basic metalshop to build simple guns that fire black powder rounds would be the only way to get around a complete ban.
Of course at that point, smuggling and stealing would be easier.
>>30308635
>Sure is summer in here
Invoking "summer" is the quickest way to spot a newfag.
>>30317484
no. metals are so hot they'd melt the rubber mold.
this IS a good starting point for lost wax casting, though.
basically, follow that guy's instructions, but instead of casting it in plastic, use wax instead.
once you have the wax body, you'll need to manually attach sprue lines to your wax casting. sprue lines become the tunnels through which the molten metal will flow once you have a plaster mold.
submerge your wax casting in plaster of Paris. don't let the ends of the sprue lines become submerged, and don't let the wax casting touch the bottom or sides of your plaster container.
after the plaster sets, bake it at slowly rising temps until it's bone dry.
now, melt some scrap aluminium down. soda cans, foil, baking pans, whatever. note that you'll need a forge that can hit 1220°f for this.
pour the molten aluminium into the sprues. the wax will melt (hence, lost wax) and youll have an aluminium casting.
cut your plaster cast open, retrieve your aluminum cast, and cut off the sprue lines.
congrats: you now have an aluminium receiver.
>>30317879
btw, don't take this as detailed technical instructions. instructables has tutorials on lost wax casting, melting aluminium and how to make sprue lines, so Google those for detailed instructions.
I was just here to give you a rundown on what to research and show you that it's possible.
>>30307336
Try to scan and print a bank note and see what happens. That's the same thing they're gonna do to prevent people from making gun parts, with the added benefit of using Windows 10 to broadcast the attempt to the ATF.
>>30317660
I suppose that there came a single time where the "Summerfag" thing was once true.
If you look at archives of when 4chan was first created, people were much nicer...and even enthusiastic about things.
>>30317904
why print when any pleb can cast plastic, and any landed man can cast aluminium?
the hard part of gun smithing is and always has been barrel and chamber construction, as that requires actual metallurgy that's beyond most tinkerer-tier engineers. even rifling a pre-drilled blank is easier than that.
>>30307336
Probably about as pissed as they were to find out that you can just make one out of a block of aluminum with just a few hundred dollars in machines. So theyll never know because it blows the whole anti-gun argument into pieces
>>30317904
open source software doesn't have any such limitations. Even if it was legally mandated
>//Gun detected code, do not delete
Have you heard of wine bricks during prohibition?
>After dissolving the brick in a gallon of water, do not place the liquid in a jug away in the cupboard for twenty days, because then it would turn into wine
wink wink nudge nudge
What happens when the libs find out about 80% lowers?
>>30318196
the ones with onboard memory already know about them, and ak receiver flats.
they call them "ghost guns".
the ones without onboard memory rediscover such things periodically and call me asking my opinion on them...it gets irritating.
>>30307336
The answer to this thread
Is that by the time that comes around they will have made acquiring real, live ammo almost impossible.
this is how they control guns.
You will see it come to fruition shortly.
>>30314256
If you get a m16 parts kit you get the fire control group most times minus the auto sear. After that, it's a case or manufacturing a drop in auto sear, and that is little more than a flapper and a spring held in place with the rear cross pin. A dedicated individual could easily manufacture one with access to basic machining facilities. Or, lacking that, to manufacture one out of common materials such as sheet metal or plastic with a spring. The point being that if one were to intend to criminally acquire a fully automatic weapon they could due to the way the government regulates conversion components for select fire trigger groups. If they were to limit any full auto trigger components this would not be accessible to normal people. Currently, only the auto Sears are regarded as machine guns individually requiring registration. They also happen to be one of the easiest trigger components to fabricate.
>>30318225
will I?
>>30318336
Depends. Do you live on the left coast? Funny how progressives love state's rights when it suits their needs.
>>30317660
I saw some retards start that shit when it was still Spring and schools were still in.
>>30318225
Cant be done desu, projectiles are just lead, blackpowder is easily made, there are multiple other options to traditional primers as well. I think a full auto open bolt blow back .45 would be pretty sweet.
The most important thing with firearms that will let them keep on being made regardless of what controls are legislated is the ideas behind them, technology or ideas have never been successfully regulated or contained and there are good economic reasons like their lack of marginal cost, rivality and lack of diminishing returns to believe that they cannot be contained.
>>30318324
you can buy full m16 lower parts kits, sear included. these go for 150+ online.
the NFA part is a drop-in auto sear, which is a different part than an actual m16 sear.
an m16 sear will not fit into a stock ar15 lower, which is why it's not considered a MG for NFA purposes. a drop in auto sear WILL fit in a stock ar15 lower, which is why it's regulated.
now then, installing ANY m16 fire control part in an ar15 lower is illegal. even if it's not fully auto by the end of it.
further, possessing an m16 fire control group and an ar15 is constructive intent because you can convert an AR lower into an m16 lower if you have the technology to complete an 80% lower.
>>30307958
>intend to use once
thats all the bad guys need anon :^)
>>30307951
It's been cracked
It hasn't been publicly released, but it's been cracked
>hurrdurr my chink group says it's invincible
It's been done
>>30307336
just as ugly when they realize that any asshole with $20 and access to a Home Depot can make a gun
so not ugly at all
god bless america
>>30317660
I must commend you on your attempt, but you are mistaken.
>>30318454
That's not "use once" as in "use for one mass shooting session."
It's "use once" as in "pull the trigger once and that's it."
>>30307958
You can make a Luty SMG with only hand tools, a welder, and a drill press
Of course that has a smooth barrel
>>30307357
Get a look at this chummer.
>>30307336
They'll push for any length of reform including but not limited to searching all files people download and searching people's homes.
>>30319163
thank you encryption
>>30318353
East coast best coast
