Can anyone tell me how the US intends to defend against an enemy employing the same tactics as the Red side during the MC02?
>Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper, adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.
>Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel.
>Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.
>>30275272
>At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action.
>After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore. Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed.
>This led to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open, free playtest of America's war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming American victory, alleging that "$250 million was wasted"
>>30275272
>>30275275
>Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise conducted by the United States armed forces in mid-2002. The exercise, which ran from July 24 to August 15 and cost $250 million, involved both live exercises and computer simulations. MC02 was meant to be a test of future military "transformation"—a transition toward new technologies that enable network-centric warfare and provide more effective command and control of current and future weaponry and tactics. The simulated combatants were the United States, referred to as "Blue", and an unknown adversary in the Middle East, "Red", with many lines of evidence pointing at Iran being the Red side.
The U.S. truly is defenseless against an opponent which can tear apart the very fabric of reality, ignore the laws of physics and deliver communications via warp-jumping bike messengers.
Thank you Van Riper, were it not for you trying to ruin an immensely expensive exercise that had nothing to do with your petty spite against the admiralty we would have never found this startling weakness.
Isn't the plan from the navy to float a counter fleet of small "point defense" drone boats and to generally strengthen the picket now and days?
>>30275272
i remember reading about this. he essentially used old techniques to win a series of notional battles when the point was to use same as opposing force battle strategy to simulate gathering intelligence and fighting an enemy just like us.
he essentially went too hard in the paint and was told to play fair or nobody learns anything
>>30275298
The point remains that our ability to intercept anything but sigint is limited. That the conditions of the wargame did not allow for unorthodox rules was farcical.
Now yeah, he did throw a hissy fit. I'm an oldfag and remember when this exercise was being done. It was poorly executed, and frankly everyone involved didnt handle themselves professionally.
>>30275357
Nah, Van Riper cheated the game to try to deliver an embarrassment to the military and bolster his own defense-strategy firm. The simulation was to test the command and control systems, focusing on communications and coordination. Hell, due to a glitch in the simulation the BLUEFOR fleet had it's defenses off when Van Riper spawned his sudden swarm of small boats and dinghies carrying silkworms (something they would never be able to do) within immediate firing range of the fleet.
It's like trying to play cops and robbers, but then there's that one kid who thinks he's actually playing superhero and keeps shouting 'NUH UH I HAVE AN INVISIBLE SUPER SHIELD'. It's not fun and he's ruining the point of the game, except in this case, it's a multi-million dollar military exercise.
>>30275272
Now that's badass.
I love that he destroyed the Blue side so badly he butthurt everyone
>>30275272
Weren't many of these "cruise missiles" launched from boats that couldn't have conceivably carried let alone launched them?
>>30275272
>this bullshit again
go educate yourself you ignorant fuck
>>30275298
He was war gaming.
There is no army in the world that would take the US on conventionally, thus all Red forces must act asymmetrically unless specifically designed to counter conventionally.
What's the purpose of a lesson plan if you give me the answers from the outright?
>>30275272
Find out how to launch cruise missiles from rubber boats and i'll answer your cwestion.
>>30277049
Based off of exercises I ran in the wargame "Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 edition", I believe the US should ban assemblies of over 200 people from possessing ladders.
The threat of the Peasant Railgun is very real, and the US has no defense against it.
Heed my warnings now or we are all doomed.
>>30277254
Isn't that kind of the point, if you can do stupid shit like this with the rules, then maybe we can figure out how to make proper rules?
Seems kind of dumb to run an exercise if you already know the end result.
Look at Iran, the U.S has been training to deal with an asymmetric small boat threat for years now. Iran only poses a threat due to the sheer volume of small boats they have and the clustered environment of the straight of hormuz, but besides that they are a nation of shitty technology and grandstanding almost as bad as north korea. Fuck, their 1 remaining P-3 is still legacy era and they've spent years parasiting parts to keep it flying because our old shit is still better than their current shit...
>>30277254
Kek
My point was that any decent commander of foreign forces fighting the US will make use of weird and wonderful ideas to avoid surveillance, increase their combat effectiveness and survival rate.
Look at what the Serbs did during the US intervention in Kosovo - microwaves and PVC pipes were their main tools in reducing US strike effectiveness - it was a wacky plan, but it worked.
>>30275298
USA is fucked if the enemy can interfere with our "total information awareness" in any way.
>>30275272
1) The Navy was not able to use their defensive systems because the software that simulated combat could not accurately handle the weapons.
2) Due to limitations in the same software, the navy was not able to deploy in a realistic manner.
3) the entire exercise was designed to test new command and control systems not combat. By leaving the fleet sunk nothing more could have been learned.
With these things in mind, how can it be said that MC02 showed a vulnerability in Navy systems and tactics when those weapons and tactics where not even tested?
>>30277368
it was also 20 years ago. and lacking ground truth intel.
>>30275401
>due to a glitch in the simulation the BLUEFOR fleet had it's defenses off
Can't even run a wargame competently, what makes you think we're ready for a war?
>>30277451
Because the simulation software was not designed to handle the environment it was placed it.
It has nothing to do with the combat capabilities of the actual weapon systems.
>>30277078
Find out how any opposition could possibly, theoretically possess something a little bigger than a rubber dingy and you can stick your head in an oven you retarded pissing the point retard.
>>30277445
>ground truth intel.
Implying we have this
>>30277279
MC02 was supposed to be C3 test. What it was testing was the ability of inter-service unit to talk and datalink with each other. The combat simulation part of the sim software was very sparsely coded and relied a large part on umpire input.
Van Riper bullshitted his way though the umps and created physically impossible attacks, in a system that couldn't handle it well.
This is the equivalent of the fire department running a evacuation drill in reaction to a building fire. Then Van Riper says he crashed a plane into it, and now everyone is dead. Therefore the fire department should scrap all their fire protocols and write new ones to respond to his jet threat.
>>30277594
>implying fire departments don't need to know what to do when a jet hits a building?
While I agree with your point your analogy was amusingly selected.
>>30277445
And it can be very hard to get ground truth intel if you don't hold that ground securely.
You can't hold that ground securely if you can't guarantee air superiority, which you can't guarantee if you can't confirm you have killed all SAM systems.
It's a bit if a catch 22.
Plus, if you're close enough to tell that the tank mock-up isn't a tank, you're close enough to catch a bullet.
