Non-gunfag here.
Can somebody tell me exactly what type of guns were used in Orlando? The media keeps saying "AR-15" and idiots on my FaceBook keep saying "AR-15" and "Assault weapon".
I know that it wasn't an AR-15, and wasn't an "assault rifle", but that's it. What was it? And can I go buy one too?
>>30260719
>I know that it wasn't an AR-15
source
It was an ar 15. Ar 15s are the most common rifle in America. And yes, you can.
>>30260719
It was an AR-15 semi-automatic sporting rifle and a Glock 17 pistol. Anyone that calls it an "assault rifle" or "military grade" is most likely a noguns anti-gun soccermom.
>>30260719
"Assault weapon" is just political jargon to refer to semi-automatic rifles in the media. If you see this word, immediately assume they mean a regular old AR-15.
That said, all the news outlets I see keep saying an AR-15 and a Glock were used.
>>30260750
Wasn't it an AR-23?
>>30260765
>news outlets I see keep saying an AR-15
Most news outlets are now saying "AR-style weapon" which leads me to believe it isn't an actual AR-15
>>30260719
It was an AR-15.
Assault weapon is a bullshit legal term the definition of which can change from country to country, state to state, county to county, and city to city.
Assault rifle is a legitimate term for select fire weapons with detachable magazines chambered in an intermediate caliber.
The AR 15 is not an assault rifle because it is semi-auto, not select fire.
The "AR" in AR 15 stands for ArmaLite Rifle, the company that originally created the rifle.
>>30260775
Oh, and yes, you can go buy an AR-15 (assuming you don't live in a highly anti-gun area.)
>>30260763
And yes, you can buy one at just about any place that sells firearms. I've never not seen at least some variation of one at a firearms retailer.
You can even buy one without technically buying one. Gun laws are silly.
>>30260771
That's likely something lame like a "S&W M&P15" that's just an AR with branding and MAYBE one or two proprietary parts.
>>30260719
Yes it was an AR-15. Yes the "AR" stands for assault rifle. No, the AR-15 is not an assault rifle.
The AR was designed as a battle rifle for the us military. It can fire three round bursts, making it automatic (1 trigger pull = 3 shots). But the version available to civilians, although derived from that design, is SEMI-automatic. One trigger pull = one shot fired. Just like almost any gun.
So while some versions look tacticool, the AR-15 is no different mechanically from any other non military rifle.
>>30260794
>>30260775
I thought "AR-15" was only one company's particular model. And that other guns by other companies were not actually called "AR-15", even if they are made to be similar.
>>30260806
>Yes the "AR" stands for assault rifle.
?
>>30260806
>"AR" stands for assault rifle
It stands for ArmaLite Rifle.
>The AR was designed as a battle rifle
It was designed as an assault rifle, battle rifles are chambered in full size rifle rounds, not intermediate calibers.
>It can fire three round bursts
The original version was full auto.
>>30260806
This is the weirdest/dumbest troll I've ever seen.
>>30260814
That tends to be the case with all AKM variants where little bits fit differently and are different lengths, but with AR model rifles they all generally tend to be the same. That's why they're revered as the "barbie doll" of guns, having so many interchangeable accessories.
What's the name of the actual military assault rifle that the AR-15 is based on?
>>30260806
Man, I actually used to think this as a kid. It's embarrassing to see it written out like that.
>>30260817
Not him, but some murrreeen at my job defended his position on the idea that dumbass in Florida used an automatic rifle by saying that "anyone killing that many people HAD to have used full auto."
>no, because even with a full...
I'M A MARINE.
>ok, that's good, because then you know..
IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN M16
Mfw
>>30260719
It's worth mentioning that the death toll was so high because you had a huge number of people in a confined space, and apart from the security guard who was killed at the beginning, nobody was armed except the terrorist. In florida, clubs and bars are gun free zones.
Last year there was a similar attack in Texas, and the terrorist was much more heavily armed. The terrorist was the only one to get shot because you had lots of civilians legally carrying and they defended themselves.
>>30260840
That would be the M16, and it is actually based on the AR-15.
>>30260840
AR15 is based upon the AR10 battle rifle in 7.62x51mm Nato
>>30260862
>That would be the M16, and it is actually based on the AR-15.
Isn't this the other way around?
>>30260840
The original weapon was the AR-15, because it was the 15th model rifle created by ArmaLite Industries. When ArmaLite went bankrupt, Colt bought the patent. When the US military was looking for a new service rifle, Colt submitted the AR-15 for the running and won. The US military renamed it the M16, because it was the 16th rifle used by the US army. When they later started to adopting a carbine (shorter and lighter) version of the M16, they named it the M4, because it was the 4th carbine they used. When it became nigh impossible for civilians to own full auto and burst fire weapons, they started releasing a semi-auto version for civilians, bringing back the original name of AR-15.
>>30260840
You're thinking of the M-16, which was actually based on the AR-15, not the other way around.
It was designed to be sold to the civilian market and got picked up by the military as a replacement for the M-14. So, the AR is the OG gun, in this case.
>>30260814
Numerous companies make "AR pattern rifles" which literally are AR-15 rifles with that company's name on it.
Armalite (AR=Armalite Rifle) made it originally, then Colt, then a fuckload of others. It's like how a bunch of car companies can all make a pickup truck and call it different things, different gun companies can make AR-15s and call them different things.
>>30260869
Nope.
Pic related.
>>30260814
They follow the plans, tolerances, and patents of the AR-15. Even if they aren't "AR-15", they are AR-pattern rifles. As with the S&W M&P 15, it is just an AR-15 put together by S&W.
>>30260857
There was an armed cop, but he got his head shot (helmet saved his life) and that's when it turned into a hostage situation -- at least that's the story until we find out it was an NYPD cop and he just ND'd into his head, nearby.
>>30260880
my god, retards. retards everywhere
>>30260895
Please see
>>30260882
>>30260869
Posting hot chicks and legit learning stuff, man you're alright.
>>30260895
I'm just going to call you a faggot.
>>30260880
Fuck I wish we had ID's. We could at least contain retards that way.
>>30260895
>>30260919
samefag
A friend of mine just pointed out something I never thought of, shouldn't it be ALR-15, because it stands for ArmaLite Rifle. The "L" is camelcased, so it should be in the abbreviation.
>>30260955
Well ArmaLite is one word, despite how dumb it's spelled. It's what they themselves called it, so no, it shouldn't be.
I mean, you wouldn't call a George Foreman grill a Mohammad Ali cooker, nobody would know what the fuck you were talking about.
>>30260987
And you're banned. Can't post explicit nudity on a blue board, /k/omrade.
>>30260857
>the death toll was so high
Maybe its too soon, but I think you could argue that if this happened in a straight club that the death toll wouldn't have been half as high.
>>30260998
>hard nips
>explicit nudity
Come one man, this is more lewd >>30260771 than what you're on about. He's skating a thin line, but I think he'll be alright considering we have weekly GWG threads.
>>30260840
Short answer is the M16, which is NOT available to civilians unless you're quite rich or you're a Class III firearm dealer. Either way, actual M16s are unbelievably expensive, not something you can grab at Walmart like liberals think you can.
>>30261009
How so?
>>30260987
Yes, it would still be an AR-15.
AR-15 is "tangerine" -- "Halos" and "Cuties" are S&W M&P15 or FN-15. They're all tangerines, just branded or slightly modified tangerines.
>>30260998
>>30260987
This
Better delete it anon
I got a 5 day ban for posting a gwg model that had a side boob nipple show
Everything else was covered
>>30260998
I didn't post nudity.
>>30261013
Shit. I didn't realize the cameltoe there was... well... that's not even cameltoe.
>>30261024
Okay. This is the part I really don't get. Non-Colt's (since Colt owns the brand and patent) can still use the Colt name.
Unlike facial tissues, who are not allowed to call their products "Kleenex".
>>30261028
What is gwg?
>>30260987
No, because it is still virtually identical to every other AR-15 out there. Just because a different company produces it doesn't mean it's a different rifle.
You're thinking along the lines of AKMs and all the variants. A Romanian WASR-10/63 and a Czech vz. 58 are both technically AKMs, but they're dramatically different rifles.
Different countries vs different companies.
>>30261071
Girls with Guns. Let's not get into that though, they're kind of a hot button issue on /k/.
And nah, that ain't even cameltoe, that's straight up vagoo.
>>30261071
See through clothes is still nudity.
>>30261028
Do you not know how to avoid ban?
If you have access to your modem just reset it or reset your ip address.
>>30261092
Penor luver...
>>30261104
My internet-fu isn't working right today, but I think you're calling me a faggot?
>>30261081
Very interesting.
Another point that is coming up from some of my no-gun-nut friends: they think we should ban guns based on caliber or power.
Are there handguns with the same caliber or power as the AR-15?
>>30261071
>Okay. This is the part I really don't get.
He's making a reference to different companies making the same product. AR-15 = Tangerine and Colt = Halos/ S&W=Cuties were Cuties and Halos are both different brands of tangerines, but the same type of tangerines.
>Non-Colt's can still use the Colt name.
What the hell are you talking about?
>>30261101
>>30261092
I can't delete the picture anyway. It says the post is too old to delete.
>>30261129
AR-15s are (usually) chambered in intermediate calibers. More powerful than pistols rounds, but less powerful than full sized rifle rounds. So your average deer rifle is far more powerful, shot for shot, than an AR chambered in 5.56.
>>30261129
Yes, for just this reason. See pic related. It's a bad route to take.
There's NO good reason to ban something based on caliber.
>>30261129
Completely and totally retarded. A .22lr will kill you just as dead as .50bmg. The vast differences in calibers is actually more of a hunting thing, although there is some tribute to military application effecting the broad variety of calibers.
>>30261129
>>30261152
Also yes, there are actually handguns with a larger caliber and arguably more power than an AR-15, while naturally sacrificing range, mind you.
>>30261136
I'm sure you're fine m8, wouldn't fret too much about it. I've been banned like 16 times, it's not the end of the world.
Also, you've got me hooked now, who is that? I need more.
>>30261129
He could have had about the same effect with a .22. The operative fact isn't the type of bullet he was using-- all are deadly with good shot placement.
It's that he had a rifle and hundreds of club-goers did not. They were trapped in a confined space, unarmed and with nowhere to run.
What they're looking for is A) some formula by which to make this all about them and their agenda. And B) some way to deny what's patently obvious: that this was an attack by islamic radicalism, specifically ISIS, and that that's the problem. Neither Obama nor Hillary Clinton were even willing to call radical islam by name-- so how can they possibly fight it?
>>30261129
AR-15's shoot pretty low powered rounds, fal below anything you could use to hunt large game. If you want to ban the AR-15's based on their power, you're banning hunting.
As for caliber, they're .223 caliber. The ittiest, bittiest, teeny weeny babiest pistol round that people actually use is .357 caliber. Anything lower than that is for shooting tin cans only.
If you ban them based on caliber, there are no pretty much center fire weapons anymore.
>>30261129
Don't quote me on this because I'm too lazy to actually look it up, and maybe some other anon can back me up or tell me I'm a retard, but I believe way more people are killed every year with small caliber weapons like .22lr and 9mm than any kind of rifle round.
Yes, there are handguns with more "power" than an AR-15. Hell, top tier meme gun Desert Eagles are .50 cal, and that's a bigass bullet.
>>30261181
This. Look at the difference between the bullet WIDTHS. The handgun round on the left is twice the width of the AR-15 bullet on the right.
>>30261161
AR 15 are .223 caliber as mentioned
Virtually every center fired handgun is chambered in something larger
>>30261181
>there are no pretty much center fire weapons anymore.
I can't believe incendiary rounds are still legal in murrica.
>>30261215
Larger by width, not length.
>>30261225
That doesn't make the statement any less true
>>30260763
>Against the phrase 'assault weapon'
>Posts on board where 'tacticool' is a thing.
>>30261164
That girl is "Sara" from Wicked Weasels. Someone shared with me everything she's ever done yesterday when i posted a picture of her in a different thread on Orlando.
>https://girlsreleased.com/?setid=45105
>>30261173
>They were trapped in a confined space
Some of the club-goers were actually on the outside, barring the doors from more people getting out too. They said they thought the banging on the other side of the doors could have been the bad guys.
>>30261173
>that this was an attack by islamic radicalism, specifically ISIS, and that that's the problem. Neither Obama nor Hillary Clinton were even willing to call radical islam by name-- so how can they possibly fight it?
This is why facebook is annoying me today. Just about every post is "Don't blame Muslims: blame guns" and "Not all Muslims are bad but all guns are."
>>30261181
Are there some pistols that fire the .223 caliber? Could someone, for instance, buy both a AR-15 and a pistol and make it so they only need 1 ammo type for both of them?
>>30261188
I looked this up yesterday. It's something like 95% pistols used in murders.
>>30261248
I don't know if he's against the phrase itself, just the way it's used. And fuck you, tacticool is funny and a legitimate descriptor.
>>30261224
center fire means that there is a primer on the center or middle of the bullet. This is opposed to rimfire which has the primer on the rim or outside of the bullet.
Centerfire is more reliable, casings are reusable. Rimfire is cheap if you can get it. Both are fired by different guns.
in pic related, the one on the left is a rimfire cartridge. You can see where the firing pin struck the casing on the bottom right. It could hit anywhere on the "rim" of the casing and ignite the primer.
The right cartridge is a centerfire. You can see the silvery primer and the indentation is where the firing pin struck it. The centerfire rounds have to be struck in the middle only.
Incendiary rounds are legal, but centerfire does not mean incendiary.
>>30261262
>https://girlsreleased.com/?setid=45105
Well, into the waifu folder she goes, thank bruv.
>This is why facebook is annoying me today. Just about every post is "Don't blame Muslims: blame guns" and "Not all Muslims are bad but all guns are."
I actually just deleted my Facebook because of all the retarded shit on it. Straw that broke the camels back. It was a terrorist attack, by a terrorist, who said he was a terrorist, and the terrorist organization that he claimed to be from claimed responsibility for, you guessed it, A TERRORIST ATTACK. It's mind boggling that people are refusing to acknowledge it to be PC, but turn around and say that all Whites are evil and all gun owners are crazy, mass murdering baby killers teetering on a razor thin line between putting holes in paper and using their child seeking high capacity machine guns with quick reload Glockazines to murder a bunch of kids in preschool.
>I looked this up yesterday. It's something like 95% pistols used in murders.
And, good, glad I wasn't talking out of my ass there.
>>30261241
yes but even though it is wider doesn't make it more powerful. A .308 is .308 inches in diameter, but it is much longer and has much more powder than a .40 which is .40 inches in diameter. a .308 is hands down a more powerful round than a .40. A .223 is much more powerful than a .45 even though a .45 is approximately twice as wide.
So yeah, the round is wider, the bullet is heavier, but it just doesn't have as much energy as a rifle round.
Also, when I say bullet, I mean the lead part that gets fired. When I say round, I mean the entire unfired object which includes a lead bullet, a brass casing, gunpowder, and an explosive primer.
Bullets sizes are measured in grains. 1 grain is 1/7000 of a pound. It's a weird measurement. Gunpowder is also measured in grains.
>>30261262
>Are there some pistols that fire the .223 caliber? Could someone, for instance, buy both a AR-15 and a pistol and make it so they only need 1 ammo type for both of them?
If the firearm doesn't have a buttstock and the barrel is under a certain length then it is legally considered a pistol. So, by cutting up an AR and turning it into a pistol, you would have the same ammo for both of them.
The caliber is a bit different. Several different cartridges use a .22 caliber bullet. .223, 5.56 NATO, .22lr, .22m, .22l, etc. all have a "22 caliber" bullet despite being very different.
However, since the AR is so popular you can pretty much get one chambered in anything you like. There are AR's that shoot 9mm Luger which is the most common handgun round.
>>30261263
I like the term tacticool.
I don't get butthurt when media say 'assault weapon', and don't understand why people do get upset.
>>30261262
>This is why facebook is annoying me today. Just about every post is "Don't blame Muslims: blame guns" and "Not all Muslims are bad but all guns are."
Yeah, and they struck VERY fast and are all reciting all the same talking points, right? Do you think they're doing that because they're saying "see I told you so?" or because they realize that this could pop the balloon and reveal them for the cynical little cravens they are.
My attitude towards people like that is, "Don't you dare express sympathy for the dead. Because you don't really feel it. At the end of the day, all this is about for you is your damn talking points and how you look on facebook. You don't give a damn about the dead, because all the hashtags and memes are a substitute for action to stop the actual guys who did this."
>>30261308
>argument is about banning calibers
>be a shit-head arguing about power and cartridge sizes
>>30261262
>Are there some pistols that fire the .223 caliber?
>For instance, buy both a AR-15 and a pistol
Yeah man, it's called an AR-15.
Kel-tec makes a .223 "pistol" but it's not much smaller than what you could do with an AR-15 and entirely non-compatible except I guess for the cartridge.
>>30260806
Bait harder pls
>>30261319
>I don't get butthurt when media say 'assault weapon', and don't understand why people do get upset.
Because an assault weapon is a weapon used to assault. Assault is a crime. A knife could be an assault weapon. Saying assault weapon is giving a purpose or motive to an object. What's the difference between an "Assault Weapon" and a "Defense Weapon"? It conveys no real meaning with the intention of eliciting an emotional response.
Assault weapon is like saying Murder gun.
Furthermore, an "assault rifle" is a specific military term which describes a type of weapon that has been banned from production for civilian ownership since 1986.
We are upset because responsible gun owners feel like they are being called murderers. Most people who own guns are just afraid something bad is going to happen to them and they want to be able to protect themselves from rapists, thugs, and thieves.
We are upset because they are giving an exclusive purpose to an object. We are upset because they are projecting their fear of the world onto us.
>>30261319
It's like "clip" I think, mostly. What's more upsetting about it though, honestly, is that anti gunners use the word "assault weapon" completely out of context and without any knowledge and act like it means something. That's who's on the news reporting to the populace, and that's what the public is learning. That, my friend, is the real issue with it.
Deliberately misleading people using buzzwords and false information is deplorable, no matter what it is.
>>30261262
The only .223 caliber pistols are "AR pistols"
They're literally ARs without stocks that have shortened barrels because they no longer need to have the minimum barrel length for a rifle. Internally however, they work the exact same way as an AR rifle, sooooo no not really.
The round is too long to put through a magazine well that's in the grip of a pistol, and really just doesn't work well with a short barrel because it's made for longer rifle barrels. The powder is too slow burning, so it'd shoot unburnt powder out the muzzle. Basically what you would have would be an obnoxiously over-bulky pistol that's stupidly loud and yet also horrendously under-powered. The worst of all worlds.
Pistol bullets are optimized to work in pistols, rifle bullets are optimized to work in rifles.
The only reason to make one shoot the other is for the lulz.
>>30261336
Kek, I didn't want to fuck with OP but you did it for me. Welcome to the confusing as shit world of AR's OP, they can literally almost be anything you want them to be.
>>30261365
The PROBLEM is that anti-gunners make up these absurd laws and then refuse to learn them, making up even more absurd laws along the way. Watching it from a distance is almost like the Queen of Hearts's court in Alice and Wonderland.
>>30261081
Wtf are you talking about? The vz58 is not an akm pattern rifle, while it my look similar it has different internal mechanics than ak's. Ak's are long stroke piston action with a rotating bolt, vz's are short stroke piston action with a tilting bolt separate from the piston. If anything, the vz is more of a sks.
>>30261357
Said it better than I did, thanks.
>>30261081
>vz. 58
>AKM
No.
>>30261381
Is it true that an "AR" is really.... just a "lower" that you can print yourself?
>>30260806
>"AR" stands for assault rifle
Nope
>>30261248
>Against the phrase 'assault weapon'
I never said I was against the phrase 'assault weapon,' I said calling an AR-15 an assault rifle implies a lack of knowledge on what exactly an AR-15 is.
I didn't even say 'assault weapon' you sperglord.
>>30261401
An AR is a complete rifle.
You can manufacture the receiver(s) of a weapon if you have the know-how and resources.
Or, you can buy one for around $40. It is not anything close to an operable weapon on its own.
>>30261401
legally, the lower receiver is considered the "rifle". Technically, you could 3d print one yourself, but it will probably suck really bad.
Some people buy "80%" lowers which are mostly finished but require a little bit more machining work to be totally finished.
You can legally machine a gun yourself.
When I say machine, I mean using machining tools such as a vertical end mill or a lathe to cut metal parts in such a way that they will serve a mechanical purpose.
>>30261401
Yes, but right now it's mostly a novelty because they are much more fragile than aluminum lowers.
People only print the lower because under US law, that's what considered "the gun". Everything else (barrel, stock, pistol grip, etc.) can be bought by anyone.
>>30261401
AR is the system, whether it has long, or short barrel, stock or no, it does not matter how you dress it. Pic related is still AK, even if it's chambered for different round, is much shorter, has no stock and has adapter for STANAG magazines.
>>30261081
You must be the same asshole who doesn't know civvie AR Pattern vs m16, m4, etc.
A vz 58 is nowhere near an ak pattern rifle newfag. A sig 550 is closer to a goddamn ak system than a vz.
>>30261401
"Print?" no.
"Mill," yes. If you have a milling machine you can make one. You can also buy ones that have most of the more complex parts already milled, requiring only a simpler drill press to do the rest. It's not something you could do for lulz on a weekend though, you need to get a decent amount of tools and do your research beforehand.
What's the maximum magazine capacity available (legally) for the AR-15?
I know they make 100 round drums but I don't know if those are legal
>>30261500
Whatever can be engineered.
That is, provided you stay out of California and the like.
>>30261500
Depends on the state. In more restricted states the max capacity is usually 10 rounds. In more free states, the sky is the limit.
>>30261500
Depends on your state.
Here in the free north, the only limits are physical properties of springs and your imagination
>>30261500
as much as you can fit
>>30261500
Depends on the magazine. You could fit maybe two copies of the Economist, but if we're talking Newsweek then the sky's the limit.
>>30261500
You could get a belt fed AR-15 (depending on state and licensing.)
>>30261500
100 round drums exist but they are considered unreliable. 40 round magazines exist but they are less popular. 30 is considered a standard capacity magazine.
>>30260719
AR-15? Nah, that wasn't the rifle he used.
Now an AR-16? Yeah, Orlando is absolutely lousy with them.
>>30260771
gonna need a source on this asap champ
>>30261539
I'm not even sure what any of that means.
>>30261551
I found it on this little website called 4chad once.
>>30261525
>>30261522
>(no system my post isn't spam)
Does anyone know the capacity used in the Orlando shooting? I can't find anything that says that nor how many bullets the guy actually fired.
Isn't New York going for a 5 bullet limit?
>>30261551
Araya Acosta
>>30261606
>the ass was fat
I don't think they've released that yet, I'm assuming he let off a shit ton of rounds though, shooting 100+ people and all.
>>30261629
>>30260806
AR stands for ArmaLite Rifle, friend.
>>30261262
Bless you for that link, Sara is a fav of mine
>>30260857
It's also worth mentioning that people who got out of the club then proceeded to barricade everyone else inside the club for almost an hour before SWAT breached a wall without checking what was on the other side.
So the shooter had almost an hour with a fully captive target.
>>30260857
Got any news articles on the Texas attack?
>>30260767
It was an AR-29
>>30261606
>Does anyone know the capacity used in the Orlando shooting?
Don't know. But that is of some interest because news reports have him buying guns a week or two before the attack. If he was using a drum, over 100 might be possible. But with common 30 round mags, he would have had to reload. Without practice, this isn't as easy as some people think and some shooters have been tackled and disarmed while reloading. Even by little old ladies.
>>30261792
>texas attack
What?
>>30261792
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack#Attack
And I'm wrong. I went off early news reports, which said the attackers had been killed by an off duty security guard. It turned out that he was on duty. The rest was what the police announced at first, but later amended it because they'd only been wounded by the guard and finished off by four SWAT officers.
By the time they amended the reports, the whole story was being buried. At that point it was whether the Draw Mohammed contest was a "provocation" and many libs were saying that Pam Geller deserved it for having cartoonists draw images of Mohammed in the first place. The winner of the contest, btw, was a moderate Muslim (bosnian).
>>30261857
Can you read?
>>30261850
He was a security guard at a company that guards federal installations. So regardless of whether ordinary citizens have their 2A rights repealed, he would still have had the right as a LEO to buy guns.
So basically, we have an attack in a gun-free zone where the only people with guns were two security guards-- one who worked there and one who worked elsewhere but pledged himself to ISIS. Unable to defend themselves, the victims were massacred. If gun control gets passed, this is how the whole country will look.
>>30261756
This is so disgusting and horrific that I'm hoping desperately that it's not tru. But I suspect that it is.
>>30261756
Jesus fucking christ, that's absolutely horrible. Why the fuck wouldn't they just run away if they we already outside?
>>30261756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE0lnvYrtMw&feature=youtu.be&t=4m50s
The people who were at the club very literally helped the shooter kill that many people.
>>30261807
>It was an AR-29
Now, here's the fun part. What's the difference between an AR-29 and an AR-15?
>>30261896
>security guard at a company that guards federal installations.
Is this true? I've heard conflicting reports. Even Fox said yesterday that he was a "normal" security guard and did not have guns as a part of his job.
>>30261864
Oh you mean the day they took the bait.
>>30261792
Excuse the source, http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/garland-mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html
>>30261926
I'd prefer to fight them in Iraq, but if we have to fight them here, I can't think of a better place to kill lots and lots of terrorists than Texas.
>>30261924
Guards are broken down to armed/unarmed. Any normal security guard can be armed, depending on the site. Some don't allow guns due to safety concerns, like a chemical processing plant or a research lab for a major medical company, both of which I worked at as a guard.
>that pic
Who the fuck is this now? You gotta stop having the same tastes as me OP, it's getting out of hand.
>>30261924
>What's the difference between an AR-29 and an AR-15?
One is real, while the other is imaginary.
>>30260888
>hostage situation
Why was this allowed to happen? I thought with active shooters, the rules were you go in immediately.
>>30261958
>Who the fuck is this now?
I have no idea. I think I found that pic on the Wicked Weasel site though.
Almost all the pictures I've posted come from the Wicked Weasel site, though some I got on other boards here.
>>30261959
Goddamn it.
>>30262001
Just checking CNN
>A tense standoff follows. Police say they had to wait three hours to access the situation, get armored vehicles on the scene and make sure they had enough personnel.
I thought literally the most important part of rethinking these types of situations is that this is the absolute worst thing you can possibly do.
>>30261248
Tacticool is a psuedo inside-joke, just like clipazine, you utter mong.
People use "assault weapon" with no actual definition (and altogether in entirely the wrong context for "assault rifle" when it is not accurate remotely) to try and WRITE LEGAL DOCUMENTS with.
If this is bait, well done. If you are serious, just die.
>>30262018
You're right, they did the tactical equivalent of choking at the SuperBowl. Taking 3 hours to breach a building while an active shooter is still actively shooting is insane. Keep this is mind when people say, "You don't need guns, that's what the police are for!" Then remind them of this exact situation. One armed man inside that bar could have saved 100+ people from being shot.
>>30261922
Because people that go to nightclubs (regardless of sexual orientation) are some of the dumbest, back-stabbingest people to have ever existed.
>>30262021
>and altogether in entirely the wrong context for "assault rifle" when it is not accurate remotely
I would disagree with that part.
The M16 is an "assault rifle" per military definition. A semi-auto AR-15 is identical except for select fire. I wouldn't even have a problem with calling an AR-15 an assault rifle if it weren't for the fact that using that terminology is a buzzword for scary weapons that are only meant to "assault" to anti-gun faggots.
>>30261850
He had completely unrestricted access to a captive, complying/unresisting audience for over THREE FUCKING HOURS man. He could've had a goddamn muzzle loader and killed 50 people.
This is a MONUMENTAL fuckup on everyone's part.
>his kill count should've been in the triple digits since he had 3 hours to shoot unmoving people huddled in corners and not resisting
>the police should've been in the building in under 5 minutes, not over 3 hours
>the victims should've resisted
>>30262057
Why did the first 5 cops who got there not run in while gunshots were going off?
You can hear on some of the audio that people were filming on their camera phones the shots going off. And I cannot understand why that many pops can happen while armed cops just stand there.
But thats getting beyond what I was originally asking just about what type of gun it was.
Anyway, speaking of the gun, are there "hunting" versions of the AR guns? What if someone wanted to argue that all "non-hunting rifles" got banned?
>>30262099
I'm too afraid to mention this even to my normie friends. How is it that in a room of that many people that everyone is so limp wristed that the most they can do is block others from getting out?
And did the cops just sit there going "We all gonna get aids if we go in there, so we might as well wait." Like, none of these fuckers were men except the first cop who got shot in the fucking helmet.
>>30262123
>He could've had a goddamn muzzle loader and killed 50 people.
THIS.
>>30262110
>except for select fire
That is one of the two defining characteristics of an assault rifle though. It's literally
>intermediate caliber rifle
>capable of select fire
Hold on. The God Emperor is saying we need to ban all Muslims because Muslims are anti-gay, anti-woman, and anti-American.
>>30262139
>that everyone is so limp wristed
Dude, it was an urban gay club. They literally define "limp wristed"
>>30262057
>>30262139
>>30262123
This shit is blowing my mind. The Orlando police chief or whoever the fuck oversaw this shitshow needs to resign. Seriously, how do we start something moving in that direction?
I just can't get past this. We already knew this didn't work.
>>30262139
>are there "hunting" versions of the AR guns?
Literally hundreds.
>what if someone wanted to argue that all "non-hunting rifles" got banned?
Every rifle ever made can be a hunting rifle, and any definition they try to come up with to differentiate what they think is okay and what scares them will be so vague and contradictory it'd be laughable and pointless.
>>30262168
>Every rifle ever made can be a hunting rifle, and any definition they try to come up with to differentiate what they think is okay and what scares them will be so vague and contradictory it'd be laughable and pointless.
What if a gun-control measure outlawed magazine fed rifles? What if they outlawed the "gas ejection" thing, and you had to manually eject the cartridges?
Would those gun control measures work for "hunting" rifles still while making it harder to fire other rifles as fast?
>>30262148
Fair enough. I avoid calling an AR-15 or anything along those lines an "assault rifle" because of the implications that carries for morons.
>>30261401
Which model is this girl? Is she from the same site?
>>30262190
>what if a gun-control measure outlawed magazine fed rifles?
That'd be 99.99% of all rifles, as everything that isn't a single-shot rifle is a mag-fed rifle.
>but I meant DETACHABLE mag-fed rifles
All mags are detachable, some just require tools to do so
>b-but you know what I meant!
Yes, but now you understand why this would be a legal shitshow, the law would be pointless and unenforceable, and why everyone that's proposed such has been called an idiot.
>>30262224
Literally watermarked bruh
>>30262230
Ergo the existence of the bullet button. It's too easy to find the loopholes in gun control and exploit them.
This is a pro 2a statement.
>>30262230
My Facebook feed is filled with idiots talking about this stuff.
My current top 3 posts are "dont blame islam blame the american islamaphobic christians" and bullshit like that.
Another person deleted the post I responded to and made a snarky new post on needed gun control, and said "DONT COME IN HERE AND BE ALL STUPID AND SAY THAT AN AR 15 IS NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE. DO NOT TRY TO EDUCATE ME WITH YOUR BULLSHIT."
Another said its the fault of republicans who hate gay people.
Everybody is saying Islam has nothing to do with it.
Liberals fear being educated. It's poison to them.
>>30261428
They have metal 3D printers, too. But they be expensive.
>>30262166
I don't know man, but I wish it would help. It won't, they'll be hailed as heroes and no one will learn anything from it. Anyone who brings up criticism will be shouted down with, "You don't know anything keyboard warrior!" and "You weren't there, stfu." Which is right, I wasn't there, but I've been part of a breach team before and the key is Speed, Violence of Action, and Surprise. For fuck's sake, the guy called 911 and said he was going to shoot people, why weren't they prepared even a little?
What it boils down to is this: They showed up, got scared and sat on their hands like bitches. Whoever was in charge didn't have enough balls to send a fucking team in ASAP, which got people killed. It's a monumental fuck up, and it makes me sad that it'll get buried under the gun control and terrorist issue.
>>30262321
Do not engage with them. Facts don't overcome fears. In emotionally charged times people show their true colors. Just start dropping people from Facebook. Cut them out of your 'feed' and if at all possible out of your life.
Better plan, just drop Facebook.
Some old wisdom out there somewhere on the results of wrestling a pig might be applicable here.
>>30262321
>DON NOT TRY TO EDUCATE ME WITH YOUR BULLSHIT
There couldn't be a better example of liberals burying their head in the sand to stay mad. You should screenshot it and post it on their next status about proper pronouns.
Don't engage right now. They're scared, and ultimately, trying to turn a tragedy into a personal crisis. They aren't going to engage in discourse with you.
>>30262355
>Just start dropping people from Facebook.
I'm not a pussy either though. I have people unfriend me all the time because they are pussies. I'd rather let them show their true colors when they realize they are fucking stupid.
Besides, I wouldn't know how fucked up the world was if I cut people out. I tried to have a conversation with some professional biologists a little bit ago about abortion. They were saying that science proved abortion was right and that pro-lifers were stupid. They posted Bill Nye as proof.
Me telling them that Science cannot tell us if something good or bad literally had them flipping the fuck out. They told me their college professors told them that science proves pro-choice is correct and that science proves that liberals are right. They told me that morality didn't exist and that all moral decisions can be decided through science.
I feel I need to know what shit is being spread in colleges. You cannot be ready for your enemies if you are not prepared for what they will do.
>>30262417
She has the face of a boy!
>>30260806
Battle rifles are not 5.56 cuckmongerel
>>30262430
You shut your whore fucking mouth, cunt, she's a fucking Goddess.
>>30262139
>Anyway, speaking of the gun, are there "hunting" versions of the AR guns? What if someone wanted to argue that all "non-hunting rifles" got banned?
Mechanically, they're identical. In fact, that and target shooting are the main uses for AR-15s.
The gun LOOKS cool and black and operator, but you could give it a nice walnut stock and suddenly it's a hunting rifle. That's why the assault weapons ban of the 90s was so stupid. When they actually sat down to write the law, they went off stupid cosmetic differences that make no real difference.
For the most part, that's the idea. They don't WANT the laws to actually reduce gun violence, because if they did then there wouldn't be the justification for more laws. The idea is a euro-style system where nobody is permitted guns. In Britain, that's how they did it: step by step, "just this one restriction" one after another, and then finally they're outlawed. Then knives. Then self-defense.
Also, they're mostly clueless. One democrat congresswoman wanted to ban high capacity magazines. Someone asked, "what about all the magazines out there already?" and she said, "Well, those will vanish as people fire them." She didn't understand that a magazine can be reloaded. They think flash suppressors are an invisibility cloak, that suppressors are silencers like in the movie that make the gun inaudible. They think "semiautomatic" = machine gun.
The combination of high-minded elitist fake intellectualism and rank ignorance is so rank it's combustible.
>>30262417
You have some shit tier friends dude. Seriously.
>>30262166
Yeah I've been listening on the radio to press conferences all day where the FBI, DHS, state police, local police, SWAT, trust and sensitivity council, animal welfare department, and the water department keep holding rotating press conferences where they keep congratulating each other for their "bravery and professionalism".
When that many government agencies at that many levels form a mutual congratulation circle-jerk like that, then there's no way that they'll portray each other as anything but superheroes.
That was the whole problem with creating the TSA back in 2002. When they were contractor companies serving airports, you could crack down on them. The media would report on it if one fucked up. You could fire one and hire another.
But when they're all one big government agency, then everyone is policing themselves and covering up for one another.
>>30262139
>hunting
Yeah. Since we discussed earlier how the lower receiver is legally the rifle, you should know that you can switch out the upper receivers to accept different calibers. One that is popular is .300 blackout or .300 AAC because the casings will fit in a standard AR magazine. The new upper has a different bolt carrier group and a different barrel, but besides that it is identical.
.223 is suitable for small game such as pigs and coyotes. .300 blackout is a deer rifle. You can own one gun and effectively own several. There are numerous other calibers that can be interchanged by switching to different uppers. Some AR style rifles fire pistol calibers which require unique lowers, so they aren't interchangeable.
>>30262448
>Goddess
with those hips?
>>30262489
>trust and sensitivity council, animal welfare department, and the water department
Maybe my 'tism is flaring up, but you're making a joke right? We don't actually give a fuck what the water department has to say about a terrorist attack, right?
>>30261924
Id love to magdump my ar into her, if you nawmean
>>30262430
>Implying that's a bad thing.
>On /k/
>>30262509
god that woman looks so uncomfortable in every picture just stop making her pose for pictures she hates posing for pictures why would you make someone feel uncomfortable and take their pictured
okay i'm the person in this picture.
>>30261017
I pray that trump gets the NFA and related laws repealed so that all firearms are legal and not exorbitantly priced as long as you obtain them legally.
>>30262417
Damn that's a very high level of retardation, actual libtard philosophers/womens studies wouldn't even be that dumb, they just argue for a postmodern view of science where process and Kuhnian paradigm shifts means you don't have to be objective or rational and doing biased research is OK, because if it's wrong someone will figure it out eventually.
>>30262509
Yes with those hips >>30261606
Best check yourself b4 you wreck yourself
>>30262190
Then you'd still have the central problem: the boston bombers didn't need any guns at all. They killed dozens of people with a pressure cooker. The San Bernadino killers didn't care that the guns were banned. The ones in France didn't care that guns are illegal-- not for any of the attacks. The ones in Mumbai didn't care that guns are illegal.
Most attacks take place in Gun Free Zones. Why do you think that happens? And if those zones don't work, then why did people push them in the first place, and why do they fight to keep those zones in place?
The people who follow these stupid laws are the ones who don't need to because they'll never be the aggressor. The ones who violate the law and acquire these weapons anyway are already committing crimes by planning and executing these attacks. All these laws serve to do are to disarm the potential victims.
The attackers can be anywhere. They strike at our most vulnerable places. The police can't watch them all, and as we can see, they can't even stop the ones they know about. Most of the attackers have been people who law enforcement knew about but didn't do anything about.
The real targets of gun control aren't criminals. They love gun control, because it disarms their victims. The targets are law-abiding gun owners.
>>30262535
I'd love to fuck her in every orifice she has, multiple times with my benis, if you know what I mean.
>>30262190
Under all that makeup, I see meth-face. Still pretty hot, I'm just saying.
>>30260955
>>30260823
That's because it doesn't stand for Armalite Rifle, it just stands for ARmalite. See: AR-9, AR-24
>>30262548
In English, please.
>>30261324
They're doing it because there are bots.
>>30262522
This is called hyperbole. The cattle call of agencies involved is gargantuan.
And it's telling that with this epic cast of hundreds of thousands of stars in thsi security theater, the number of attacks is actually going up.
>>30262456
>, they went off stupid cosmetic differences that make no real difference.
I keep explaining this to liberals and they say "IT dosNT MATTER PEOPLE DIED!"
>Then knives.
Yeah. I show people pictures of how you need an ID and to be 18 to buy plasticware in England. People always insist that it's a joke. When I show them news stories about it they say it isn't true. When I show them some of the infamous weapon sweeps that happen they tell me it isn't real.
>>30262462
I try to have a wide variety of friends. Some gay tranny inner city kids, some church friends, some anime nerds, some single moms. I do it by making sure to get on all of their nerves by trying to make sure they aren't retarded. Sometimes they hate me for it.
However, I also was telling people about the superdelegate mess for months before even the first Democratic debate. Everyone called me a conspiracy theorist. Now all my Bernie-bro friends realize that I'm often correct. And that's how it's happened with lots of these people I know. They start by thinking I'm a complete asshole, and later they realize that I'm not just talking out of my ass. Sometimes it takes months.
But sometimes those same people have told others directly "He'll piss you off a lot but as I've learned, he's probably right anyway."
>>30262509
>>30262430
Sorry that you have AIDS.
>>30262552
I brought up the Korean college shooter kid and how he killed 37 people with 2 pistols to someone who said we should just ban all assualt weapons. He then changed his mind and said we should ban all guns.
And that's what it always gets down to. None of their "gun control" measures seem to be anything except wishing they could ban all guns.
However, you are wrong though. Their targets ares the Western World and White Men. They simply make friends with anything else opposed to those two things. Why do you think they revere and respect Islam, while simutaneously hating capitalism and Christianity?
>>30262551
I'd have her cosplay as Princess Cirilla while I carry out the "raid" of "Cintra".
>>30262154
>They literally define "limp wristed"
Not in my town. They spend all their time in the gym, lifting and flexing for each other.
What they are is liberal hopolophobes. Something goes 'bang' and they all shit themselves.
>>30262551
>cheek yourself before you breek yourself
>>30262666
Damnit Satan
>>30262606
>I brought up the Korean college shooter kid and how he killed 37 people with 2 pistols to someone who said we should just ban all assualt weapons. He then changed his mind and said we should ban all guns.
>And that's what it always gets down to. None of their "gun control" measures seem to be anything except wishing they could ban all guns.
OK, let's take abortion. I don't care what side you're on, just look at the tactics. Most of these people (the activists, I mean) are also gun control people.
So now look at partial birth abortion. Eighth month of pregnancy, you deliver the entire baby except the head. Then you stick a needle up until the cranium and suck the brains out. Then deliver the rest of the baby. 80% of americans are against it. Supposedly it's only done when "medically necessary" but in practice at least a few years ago all the cases where it had been performed that year the "medical necessity" was that the woman felt traumatized by the prospect of motherhood.
And yet the pro-choice movement lives and dies fighting to keep partial birth abortion legal and unrestricted. Why? They come out and say it: this is the thin edge of the wedge that pro-lifers use to justify abortion restrictions, the first step that will lead down a slippery slope to a total ban.
And they might be right!
But, ok, now they take off their abortion hats and put on their gun control hats and suddenly who cares about slippery slopes and "shall not be infringed"?
The answer is transparently obvious, and they don't make much of an effort to hide it: each restriction is intended to create enough chaos to harass gun owners and build the case for the next restriction. Ultimately, it's not about some specific restriction, it's part of a long march that ends with a total ban-- as has happened in Europe, Britain, Australia, and nearly everywhere else.
>>30262662
This is 4chan, let's have a moment to salute gay conservatives and our beloved /k/ traps.
>>30262622
Id like to chain her to the wall in my basement and force feed her my cock for lunch everyday, if you know what I mean.
I'm not very metaphorical.
>>30262139
>What if someone wanted to argue that all "non-hunting rifles" got banned?
Though nothing precludes them from being used for hunting, they're not for hunting in the first place. The second amendment is not the right to hunt with firearms.
>>30262702
None of those places have a total ban on firearms though.
>>30262712
This is an individual who knows the score.
>>30260767
>>30261807
>>30261959
>AR-29
>imaginary
Please, don't troll with misinformation. Everyone knows that the AR-23 and AR-29 are prime examples of modern rifles
>>30262620
I told you bro, now you went and wrecked yourself
>>30262702
And notice how every few years the list of guns they single out for banning changes.
In the 1980s, it was "saturday night specials", cheap pistols supposedly purchased for crimes of passion. Mostly used by minorities in urban areas.
Then suddenly in the 1990's, it was "assault weapons". Expensive rifles tricked out with a zillion tacticool accessories, usually grossly misrepresented. Flash suppressors which supposedly make the shots invisible, suppressors which supposedly make them silent.
Every few years, it's some glock feature that they get into. Glocks are supposedly immune to metal detectors. "Cop killer bullets", high capacity magazines, folding stocks, etc etc etc.
There's always something. Their point is to make it as hard as possible to legally own firearms so people won't want to risk it. Socially unacceptable so people will feel shamed into disarming. And, eventually, build the case for outright bans and confiscations.
Incidentally, did you know that most shootings, most MASS shootings, are gang-related attacks with illegal weapons? If gun control worked, those attacks wouldn't be happening. Of course, if gun control worked, then there wouldn't be a pretext to expand on it.
>>30262230
Actually...
Semiautomatic rifles that use detachable magazines are banned here in Argentina. This means, that legally you can either have a bolt action rifle or an M1 Garand (and, if they were sold here, an SKS).
It is "enforceable". But it doesn't work (i.e. You can still own a Garand).
>>30262732
> He fell for the AR-29 meme
>>30262761
Prime example that of you're not a faggot and post lewds on a blue board, the mods will leave you alone for the most part.
>>30262722
Mumbai totally bans the civilian ownership of firearms.
Civilian ownership or usage of bombs is banned pretty much worldwide, yet those were used in the Boston Bombing and the San Bernardino attack (yes I know binary explosives are legal to use in much of the US, but those aren't "bombs" by either legal or practical definition, and neither attack used binary explosives)
All of the firearms used in the San Bernardino attack were illegal to own in San Bernardino or California as a whole, since they were non-roster pistols and semi-automatic rifles with standard capacity detachable magazines.
The Paris attackers used fully automatic AK's and bombs, both of which are illegal in France (as well as are the semi-auto variants of the AK's), they smuggled them across the border. They also used a pump action shotgun, also illegal in France (which restricts shotguns to break-action, and still only after a multi year long licensing course and extensive background investigation).
>>30262775
Perhaps your politicians are significantly more capable of writing coherent laws.
They're not here in the US.
>>30262804
Whoops forgot my pic
>>30262831
>Argentina
>good politicians
I needed that chortle.
>>30262775
how white are you?
>>30262848
That was not an endorsement of being good or not.
Just means that they're somewhat less retarded than US politicians. Which might, maybe, put them on the level of mosquitos or pond scum.
>>30262768
In the 80s, the main reason for the singling out of the "Saturday night specials" was to deny poor people the means to protect themselves.
This happens as the crack epidemic sweeps the inner cities with gang violence accompanied such. Poor law abiding folks had to rely on police to protect them but the reluctance of the latter to go into the dangerous areas made "the 'hood" worse.
Probably can say that this policy contributed to why Chicago became such a shithole.
>>30261525
>100rd
>unreliable
If we're talking Beta mags, sure, those suck lots of balls, otherwise the SureFire100 mags are supposed to be solid (and rather space efficient).
But enough about 100rd mags, let's look at a 150rd drum, which WORKS, and is built like a tank. Everything the Beta C drum does wrong, the SAW Drum does right.
Prepare to pay for it though, it isn't cheap, and it's heavy when loaded, make sure your mag release gets a grip on it.
>>30261606
NY is back up to 10 because of a court ruling, it started with 7.
>>30262920
these always remind me of truck nuts
>>30262918
Yep, and in the Jim Crow era, segregation-supporting democrats favored gun control because it kept guns out of the hands of african americans, who they were oppressing. And especially civil rights activists.
>>30262918
>Probably can say that this policy contributed to why Chicago became such a shithole.
Yeah funny how the "we care about the cities and minorities" party has had undisputed control of most major cities for the past half century, and they've turned into third world dystopias.
"Unexpectedly"
>>30262920
The Surefire 100rd mag is garbage (multiple ftf's per mag, usually at least 2 doublefeeds per mag). Their 60rd mag is meh (usually 1-2 ftf's per mag, occasional doublefeed).
The Magpul D60 is okay (0-1 ftf's per mag), but still worse than a regular USGI aluminum 30rd mag.
>>30262979
>and they've turned into third world dystopias.
They need more revenue for their community outreach initiatives.
Remember, the AR in AR15 means assault rifle
>>30263007
And more rich white people to provide it, and fewer black people to rob them of it.
But they can't actually say that.
>>30261225
But smaller overall in weight.
You dont shoot 147gr .223s.
>>30261428
I've noticed the biggest issue is the buffer detent hole having the front wall bust out. I think if we start making a recessed front side and placing a steel or aluminum inter in front would protect the front wall and prevent the failure.
Here's a question since we are bring up laws.
Actual assault rifles have been banned in the U.S. since pretty much forever.
Assault rifles haven't been used in a crime since 1997 (and those were illegally modified).
Why is the ban on assault rifles so effective?
>>30262327
They be using lasers
>>30263029
They're not actually banned, just very expensive. This keeps them out of the lower echelons of society, who are the kind of dregs who go on shooting rampages.
>>30263029
There were never very many of them to start with and they were orders of magnitude more expensive (due to being NFA items even then), and if you look back to before 1986 when they were still legal to buy they *still* weren't used more than a couple times, and the ones that were were *still* acquired or modified illegally.
In other news, I have a chthulu repelling charm to sell you. I personally attest to its 100% effectiveness, I've never seen a chthulu.
>>30263029
Machine guns are not banned.
They are taped up behind the NFA (National Firearms Act) of 1934, but a law abiding citizen can still own one with the proper paper work.
>>30263029
Assault rifles are not completely banned, and there are very few in circulation.
There are millions of semiautomatic rifles however, and a similar ban will not take them out of existance.
>>30263029
How many crimes were they used in BEFORE the ban on them? Not many.
Considering there's something like 20+ million AR-15s, and 200 people are killed by them every year, is a non-existent ban on them effective?
>>30263062
>>30263061
>>30263055
>>30263054
But is it "gun control that worked" in the U.S.?
If it was just the cost, why not raise the cost of other guns you want "controlled"?
>>30263072
Between 1928 and 1985, exactly once.
And the perpetrator was a police officer.
>>30262994
Seems a lot of people have no problems.
Do you use steel case or brass case? I think that steel case might not work the best in the 100, maybe the 60 is more forgiving?
>>30263088
No one had used machine guns to massacre civilians in the US when they were restricted.
Just think about that.
>>30263088
No, it is not "gun control that worked" it was gun control that did nothing to alter what was already the norm.
And that's a tactic they're trying.
>sin tax
>death tax
>ammo tax
It's not working and is actually directly (and has been ruled as such) unconstitutional as it's an unreasonable and avoidable barrier to entry of an enumerated right.
>>30263097
Brass cased factory Federal or Hornady ammo for all testing purposes.
It's a known issue, and it doesn't effect 100% of the mags, but the fact that they're $150+ mags from one of the ultrapremium AR parts makers and it effects any of them, that SF's acknowledged it is a problem but has been unable/unwilling to rectify it, speaks to a flaw in the design.
>>30263088
Why would we want any guns """"controlled"""?
>>30263104
before they were restricted, I think you mean
>>30260806
This is either bait, or one of the least-informed anons on /k/. Do not listen to them. They know very little.
>>30261195
And a Ferrari and a dump truck are both vehicles with different shapes. They look different because they are designed for different purposes shithead
>>30263106
>>30263104
I was told by a military friend that the real reason nobody uses actual assault rifles in crime is that they pretty much just suck at getting crime done.
He said they were good at wasting bullets and not about shooting targets.
>>30263270
would you rather get hit by a Ferrari or a dump truck?
Because someone got run over by a Ferrari, should we legislate against all cars weighing more than a Ferrari? Would that make sense to you?
Keep the fuck up, retard.
>>30263143
(As the guy who wrote it, I can confirm it was bait. Sorry guys didn't know the thread would go so well. I feel bad now.)
>>30263270
I'm bewildered by the seemingly angry posters that at the same time have no idea what they're replying to.
>>30263438
fag
>>30263391
Well, it's true that full auto's pretty well useless at everything but getting tinnitus and making whoever you're shooting at shit their pants, but the main reason nobody uses them in crime is they're expensive and rare, and most guns used in crime are <$300 and/or stolen.
>>30263391
people in the military are notoriously stupid
>>30261336
What buffer tube is this?
>>30263556
rufus bobtail
>>30263391
Pretty much. Back when full automatic guns can be ordered through the mail, only one instance that it was used to commit murder. The portrayal of guns in movies, especially spraying infinite rounds into a crowd and killing all with one shot to the heart, probably is what motivated the ban.
Pistols OTOH can be readily concealed and thus lends itself better as tools for criminals. Regulations intending to keep pistols out of the hands of criminals still has no real appreciable effect on that end.
>>30262979
One thing that stood out to me recently is the progressives' stance on armed self defense. Seems like they are trying to have minorities not being armed so that they must rely on law enforcement. The same law enforcement that progs are framing as being hostile to minorities. The end result is an unarmed, vulnerable group that feels like they have nowhere to go and none to turn to.
Don't know what the end game is but it is starting to look like they're fomenting some kind of uprising.
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>>30261304
On the subject of this girl...
Changing the setid=45105 to different values (45104 for example, highly recommend) at the end of the URL appears to give access to other sets of different girls. Feel free to experiment :^)
>>30263576
You might have it backwards. LEOs are under more pressure than ever and are being played as the bad guys to the locals.
So vote for the Left because that's all that will save you from the bad, bad policeman. Also vote for them because things are so bad and that's obviously conservatives and the 1%'s fault.
Meanwhile, cops, you vote for the Left, too, because we're all that can save you from the people you're sworn to protect.
Police until a few years ago used to be reliable conservatives. They're being drawn into The Movement. Look up the Long March Through The Institutions.
>>30263616
>that's obviously conservatives and the 1%'s fault.
It is though.
I mean, the Democrats aren't peachy keen, but repealing Glass-Steagal, the Bush Tax Cuts, and a couple of other acts of macroeconomic retardation do originate with the right wing.
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>>30260987
Sara is my favorite girl who models for them.
She's so beautiful. I never thought I would see a tread on /k/ full of pictures of her
>>30263027
I now have a desire to shoot something with a 147 grain .223
>>30263616
Thing is it just seems like they are putting pressure on folks without a clear endgame. This pressure right now seems to try and make something explode not "vote for us and we'll fix it" thing.
I heard the rounds were 223. So it probably was an AR-15. And this guy was a security guard so a glock would make sense. The people on your FB are faggots.
>>30263661
And starting 3 of the last 5 wars (excuse me, "police actions"), and 2 of the 3 impeached presidents are just minor inconveniences right?
>>30262430
You say this like it's a bad thing, she us literally perfection, 10/10, would wife.
>>30263421
This is so hilarious I'm posting these boobies for you.
>>30263490
Why would a full-auto be that much more expensive? It isn't physically very different, is it?
>>30263503
He maybe was just a shit shot. He said most people have terrible aim when they put it on full auto.
>>30263576
I wonder if anyone has the stats somewhere. I heard it's 95% pistols used in gun crimes.
>>30263580
Uh.... there's a menu at the top of the page where you can click "models" or "websites" and get access to thousands of different girls.
>>30263661
>repealing Glass-Steagal
Yeah, planned and prebbed by republcans, signed and passed by Bill Clinton. Further proof that both sides are fucking assholes who need to be tossed out.
>>30262502
For the most part you're right, however the bolt carrier group between a 300 blk upper and 5.56 upper are identical since they both use the same parent case. So I just use the same bolt carrier group for both. Also, you can use 5.56 for coyotes and hog, but I personally prefer 5.56 for coyotes, and 300 blk for hog, in case I run into a giant posse off hog. Pic related is 300 blk and 5.56 side by side. As you can see, the 300 blk case is a modified 5.56 case. If you reload, you can make 300 brass out of 5.56 brass yourself.
>>30264025
>Why would a full-auto be that much more expensive? It isn't physically very different, is it?
its not too different afaik but the market for pre-1986 sales to civilians has inflated, since us civvie peasants cannot legally buy any full-auto guns made after 1986.
>>30264025
Graham-leech-bailey got a yes vote by 75% of democrat reps and senators. The "save citibank" act of 1999 was favored by those were bought and paid for.
Pic to keep it /k/ related
>>30264025
Probably somewhere in here.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/cius-home
>>30261959
It's obviously 14
>>30264171
Hey, that's my rifle. Neat.
Also, bad news in that department. The trunion split.
>>30260854
It's more likely there were other shooters than to have an automatic weapon. 50 does seem like a lot for one dude, but no inconceivable given the density of people in a night club and the sort of chaos a shooter would cause
>>30260857
Gonna want some sauce for that Texas chicken shoot
>>30263672
MODS
;^)
>>30264123
In other words... gun control worked with full-autos because it put them beyond the reach of poor people?
Why don't criminals just make them then?
>>30264475
Why is it these conspiracy theorists always make some points that just... just really make you think?
Or maybe it's just that our government is really ridiculously fucking retarded. That's probably more like it. 50 is possible when the cops are fucking panzies.
