Is trench warfare the comfiest form of warfare?
>>30242221
I imagine if you consider being shelled comfy. If the shells miss they dig up the dead and shower you and everything else in the trench in bits of rotting flesh from your comrades.
>trench foot
>being wet all the time
>dirt everywhere
>hygiene nightmare left and right
>24/7
>comfy
You've got a pretty fucked idea of what is "comfy"
>>30242221
yes
>>30242221
>constant artillery barrages
>going over the top
>tear/mustard/chlorine/phosgene gas
>trench foot
>rodent infestation
>rain
>mud
>decomposing bodies lying in the trenches
Yep. Sounds like paradise.
>>30242243
they need to work their trenches so they drain better
and I wonder if they were at least allowed fires in the day for drying clothing
>>30242221
Is this bait? Being buried alive thanks to a shell is not comfy.
>>30242221
>filthy trench
>stuck in one spot
hilux warfare master race
>>30242221
If an overwhelming sense of misery is comfy to you, sure.
>>30242268
And if you add the Alpine Warfare Deluxe Pack, you get a free avalanche for every artillery barrage!
How about an actual question:
Concerning land forces, what are some of the better places to be in WW1?
I would imagine Artillery might not be so bad. Far enough away from the front-lines and enemy artillery might be more interested in the frontlines instead of the artillery batteries.
Well i mean, it's basically all the worst parts of siege warfare with the added bonus of taking it in turns to get murdered while charging or slaughtered in a muddy hole by an angry man with a bayonet.
On the plus side though at least you don't have to patrol some dirty jungle waiting to get ambushed.
>>30242221
>trench warfare
>comfy
>any warfare
>comfy
>>30242472
Hitler had the right idea: battalion HQ.
>>30242221
>All these anons referring WWI
>Not referring the Iraq-Iran War or the recent 4 day Nagoroh-Karabahk border skirmish
>>30242221
Only book that ever made me scared was my greatgrandpappy's world-war diary
>>30242461
No, one of the first roles of artillery is to kill enemy artillery
>>30242523
>Iraq-Iran war
I'm pretty sure that was worse than anything in WW!. On top of all the horrors they faced in WW! you now have child soldiers suicide bombers and far far more incompetent generals.
>>30242523
yeah because all the murrica bros here have any idea about that conflict. kudos for iraqis electrifying the waterways during an infantry assault, pure genius.
>>30242221
>sleep through a barrage?
>you ever been in a barrage?
>>30242523
Where 2 learn?
>>30242523
That was arguably more horrible.
>>30242555
Without the mud, and sheer density of firepower and troops.
>>30242461
>Far enough away from the front-lines
>>30242484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5z3DMC3RA
>>30242221
This is not created by someone who has lived a healthy life. This is by someone who saw the world turn into completely twisted abstract horror and pain.
Trench warfare and combat in WWI was some of the most brutal in human history and scarred a generation.
>>30242555
>>30242565
>>30242576
>>30242583
Okay, I take Iran-Iraq back, but the Nagoroh Karabahk skirmish was basically occassional artillery strike, shooting down Azeri helis, blowing the shit out of the Azerbaijani "special forces" and basically ruining their horribly attempted blitzkrieg
>>30242221
About as comfy as sticking your dick in the beef curtains of the world's fattest skank.
>>30242730
What?
>>30242221
No it's the stupidest. Go read some WW1 journals. It was all kinds of hell.
No
https://youtube.com/watch?v=k4Pd527GN48
It was in those trenches that soldiers faced some of the most hellish conditions any man has ever been forced to endure, so no, it isnt comfy.
>>30242781
Jesus. The poor bastards
>>30242361
This guy knows what's up.
>>30242249
#TRENCHFOOT
>>30242221
>having the trenches flood when it rains
>trenches reek of death, excrement, and dirt
>having to drink your own piss due to a lack of drinking water
>losing one or two toes to trench foot
>never being able to sleep because of the sound of artillery, gunfire, and general paranoia
>having your ears and fingers bit by rats while you actually can sleep
>aforementioned rat bites become infected and fester due to a lack of disinfectants and hygiene
>constant fear of being gassed
>having to crouch in flooded trenches while wearing a filthy and ill maintaned gas mask when you do actually get gassed
>if you happen to get shot you will most likely bleed out or your wound will get infected due to the field hospitals being full
Yep! Most comfy form of war, OP.
>>30242781
yeah....
fuck that's eerie.
You know it's some special kind of psychological trauma going on when guys are literally convulsing and twitching and going retarded from being there, and in any wars after that, soldiers still get PTSD, but not the same kind of psychological/physical "shell shock" of WWI. i mean soldiers today that come from Iraq, they get the nightmares, the triggers, the stress, the depression, the emotional trauma, and different psychological trauma, but how many modern soldiers have you seen fucking shaking like someone with parkinsons?
Also, dat artillery barrage in a forest. Rommel talked about how for infantry, being in a forest was the absolute worst. The ground was too rocky and full of roots and shit to dig trenches and foxholes, so you had no cover from artillery. On top of that, shells that normally would pass over you and not be a problem hit the trees above you and detonate, showering you with the shrapnel and exploded tree parts.
>>30242925
The shelling was so intense that soldiers would literally go bald and all their teeth would fall out, at the tender age of 17, despite being 4 miles away from the barrages that lasted weeks on end.
I can't remember the specifics, but I remember reading that in the opening barrage of some WWI battle, that lasted almost a month, there was more ordinance expended then the entirety of WWII
>>30242925
That was temporary. But after that comes a hellish case of PTSD. It also sucked for them because people thought they were cowards.
>>30242978
the guy towards the end of the video.....sitting there perfectly fine.....they take off his hat and ask him to put on the military cap and he turns into a gibbering mess......
yeah it's pretty brutal.
>>30242978
Don't forget the "treatments" they gave those poor bastards too. Everything from electroshock, "audio therapy", hardcore psychedelics & amphetamine to full on lobotomys
>>30242221
Until it rains, yeah.
Trench warfare is the diametric opposite of comfy. Not in the same UNIVERSE as comfy. You know what's comfy? Bombing towelheads from a control center on the other side of the world.
>Vietnam War
>November 1st 1955 – April 30th 1975
>58,220 KIA
>The Battle of the Somme
>Opening bombardment, day one - July 1st 1918 57,500 KIA
>July 2nd - November 1st, 1918 - 1.6 million additional KIA
>>30242484
>any warfare
>comfy
Meanwhile USAF drone pilots...
>>30243127
Man, once upon a time men went to war EXPECTING to die.
>>30242221
As counter-intuitive as it may seem, maneuver warfare is the comfiest form of warfare.
Your pic is a stylized representation. War is not pretty pictures. After reading pic related, study the career of Frederick the Great of Prussia.
> only by abandoning comfiness, do you achieve the comfiest form of warfare.
>>30242523
>Iraq-Iran
>Getting gassed
>Comfy
Nah, still doesn't fit.
Space war is comfiest war.
>sit in comfy space capsule
>perfect temperature
>ideal pressure
>scientifically designed couches of comfiness
>press buttons to launch missiles
>push other buttons to fire lasers pew pew
>if you win you remain comfy
>if your ship is hit you are instantly game over
>window of suffering from explosive decompression is mercifully brief
Space warfare truly is the comfiest form of warfare.
>still no excuse for op to start this thread
>>30242781
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=k4Pd527GN48
How come we never see any modern day shell shock or PTSD as extreme as some of the examples in the video?
>>30244782
except
>ship damaged
>power goes out
>life support backups slowly deteriorate
>temperature approaches zero
>C02 levels rise
>no water, only urine, shit accumulates
>
>>30244903
because being shelled for days, literal 24 hours a day shelling, and siting in a swamp of a trench that was eating you alive as well as the rats and basically living next to peices of your dead friends doesnt really happen right now. along with watching people being buried by huge waves of dirt the shells threw up and sneaking into an enemy trench and beating people to death with a shovel
>>30244934
Eh
Kind of makes me pissed off to see PTSD used as such a common excuse nowadays for bad behavior and crimes committed by soldiers who were most likely in firefights that probably took place 5 miles apart.
>>30242687
>>30242361
I dont know hwo rhey are
I dont know what theyre doring
Bit i want to go on a ride with them
>>30244954
in the book "On Killing", the author discusses how post-war psychological trauma is pretty much equally a factor of two things: Actual combat trauma, and how you were treated when you got home. He basically says that you can rate each one on a scale of 1-10 and then multiply the two scores together to get the "total trauma".
So for example, take one soldier who was an infantryman in WWII. Saw intense combat, killed people, had friends killed, took artillery fire, etc. Rate it 8/10. But the war was considered a moral quest, he was welcomed as a hero, his family celebrated him, he believed it was a patriotic and morally right undertaking. Rate that as only a 2/10. Together, that's 16.
Then take another soldier. A truck driver in Vietnam. He wasn't a front-line infantryman, he never really even saw the enemy. Drove through a couple of ambushes and took some potshots, saw some trucks hit by mines or booby traps, etc. Combat trauma rated at 2/10. But the war is seen as an evil undertaking. The public hates him, thinks he's an evil baby killer. He gets home and his family kinda distances him. He gets spat on at the airport when he arrives back. Rate it an 8/10.
The theory is that both of those soldiers will be equally susceptible to post-war trauma.
So applying it in this case, in WWI, the combat trauma was off the charts, probably a 10/10. The reception back home probably wasn't awful, at least they were still treated as heroes who were doing the right thing. Maybe a 2-3/10.
Compared to a soldier coming home from Afghanistan. Combat trauma might be a 4/10, but he's treated like shit when he gets home. anti-war protests, calling soldiers rapists and terrorists, calling the war evil, etc. Say an 7-8/10.
it's likely that the kind of post-war trauma would be different. High trauma from combat seems to result in what you see in that video: the physical shell shock and physical trauma. Today, the PTSD seems to be much more psychological.
>>30246768
>WWI Trench
>less psychologically damaging
I honestly doubt you thought that through
>>30242461
the quieter front,such as the ones near the Swiss border,the ones in the Ardennes,Arras was fairly quiet during the earlier days
even then there was a constant 100 casualty rate each day
>>30246936
it's like you didn't even read the post you fucking mongoloid. Try again.
Read my post again and try to understand.
There are two kinds of causes for post-war trauma. One is the actual intensity of the combat experience. The other is the "intensity" of the stress undergone when they return home, like from the anti-war propaganda, the public perspective of the war, etc.
>>30242461
>what are some of the better places to be in WW1?
away from combat
>general staff
>non-combat roles in general, like communications, automobile drivers, mechanics, cooks, etc. (still a high chance of shelling)
>something like chemical warfare specialists would be highly valued and kept out of first lines most of the time
>POW doing forced labor on a farm (POW camps would be horrible though)
>>30244934
This is what the 1.7 million shell casings that were fired look like
>>30242221
>arty
>more arty
>poke your head up and it might get taken off by some dude with a rifle
>GAS!
>your friend's dead body rotting next to you
>wounded guy in a crater screaming for help that will never come because leaving the trench is met with rifle/mg fire
>rains come, trench is now a river of blood, guts and shit
>friend's body is being eaten by rodents
>haven't put on clean dry clothes in a week
yeah sounds great
>>30243117
this
flying the predator drone while sipping on your coffee/water/soda on a mission then going home and sleeping in your bed is comfy, not trench warfare
>>30243127
>more people died in the largest battle fought during a WORLD WAR than in some small war in some crappy south eastern gook country
ok?
>>30247213
don't be an ass.
It's pretty weird to think that more people died in the initial bombardment of a single battle in WWI than all dead during Vietnam over 20 years.
>>30247223
lel
listing only the American KIA in a crappy regional war compared to all the KIA from both sides in the biggest battle of WW1 is misleading as hell
>>30242221
We still practice it for defensive positions in Estonia. I loved it, but the digging sucked fucking balls.
the period between ww1 and when armoured cars came into use is the most romanticised for me imo, when you had both a c96 and a cavalry saber
>Our horses are running mile after mile,
>Cause Freedom is priceless.
>Through the slot of my machine gun
>I'm looking for the enemy in the dust.
>Mother Anarchy loves her sons, Mother Anarchy is not for sale.
>We'll wait for the enemy, with lead we'll destroy them
>Mother Anarchy is with us!
>>30242652
>I like the way this sucks!
>I wish it would suck more!
>Sure sucks down there!
10/10 this comic is great
>>30246768
WW1 and heroes? What about the phrase Lost generation? I got the impression that it was considered a war fought for nothing, that erased a generation of men. The reasons for the war were not so noble, and there weren't any "evil nazi" figures to kill. Wasn't this the point in history where war was in itself beginning to fall apart as a "patriotic andmorally right undertaking" when all it accomplished was the dismantling of a couple of dusty empires.
But yea some might have been recieved as heroes I guess...
I'm not talking about the independence wars that sprang up in the aftermath.
>>30247370
we practiced digging foxholes in finland to.. but those type of entrenchments are pussy compared to what would actually happen in a war
mechanized excavators and construction equipment would dig/buid something that would give the Siegfried Line a run for its money
>>30247675
right because the enemy is going to sit there and watch an excavator work
>>30242532
Go on...
>>30247708
because if the political situation starts to rapidly deteriorate half the construction equipment in the country would be rushed to the border to start work on this
idk thats just what the officers told me
I think there is some form of trench warfare going on across the minsk line in Ukraine.
>>30246768
There is also the fact that prior to the Vietnam generation, most of the veterans who had seriousy mental problems were taken to asylums or given proper attentions.
Nowadays they just pump guys full of prescription meds and call it a day.
Plus you went away, and eventually you came back. Not all this back and fourth bullshit.
>>30242243
They need drainage and duckboards.
>>30247370
Yea, we dug a mortar-platoon command trench for a whole day, only to discover a huge boulder is right in the middle of the hole and we will never get it out. In the evening an excavator came and finished the whole platoon trenchsystem up in half an hour. Felt kinda pointless, but the whole outing was layd-back.
Pic related. Nothing fancy. We alsomade a roof, but it failed to keep the rain off, sleeping bag was wet.
Fun in hindsight, as almost everything to do with the service.
>>30244903
It actually happens quite a bit, videos of people in such bad shape just aren't made public. These videos from WWI weren't released until well after the war, when they were less of a liability to the governments.
>>30244903
If I had to guess it's because we know the signs and get the guy off the line the minute he starts cracking. Back then they just told you to man up and get back on your post.
>>30242436
Seriously fuck Alpine Warfare.
To this day they find soldiers from both sides who were buried alive up in the Alps.
>>30244931
>not sending distress signal
>not having backup batteries to keep life support and emergency comms online.
>get out low-tier space communist
>>30242544
didn't they position the artillery so they could reach the trenches but couldn't be reach by enemy arty ?
>>30242221
>Is trench warfare the comfiest form of warfare?
Some faggot behind a joystick halfway round the world bombing goat herders is probably the comfiest.
>>30242652
>Not posting the carrier takeoff cinematic from BF3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0J0hfKaCY
>>30242221
If you were the Germans you had significantly better trenches but you'd start to run low on food/ammo due to the British blockade a few years in. Also god help you late-war in general.
If you were in an Allied trench expect it to be something like this picture >>30242243
Either way I wouldn't call it comfy even ignoring the ever-present chance of death by artillery, trench raids or all out assaults.
>>30242506
Still got shot, gazed and zigzaged between bullets to save an officer. You can be a little kike bitch liberal about the guy all you want but he was a really good soldier he didn't get an iron cross for nothing.
>>30242764
Not comfy at all.
>>30244782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMt5Fp32ZIY
>>30247651
Soldiers were actually so angry about the bad home reception fascism was born out of it.
>>30248598
lol
wtf is that faggotry
>>30247201
It may be more "comfy" but theres actually been a surprisingly high rate of PTSD and role fatigue in drone pilots, even on par with active combat roles. We're actually having them drop out faster than they're being replaced.
Its something about watching someone for days, and their daily habits, all through incredibly high powered optics. Like you're right there with the person. It humanizes them psychologically, and then when you do have to "pull the trigger" its when the guy is driving to the market or whatever, completely unaware. The coldness of it, and then having to continue to watch the wreckage, ID bodies, watch wounded crawling around. All from such a detached perspective.
Its basically the same idea as being told to shoot a bunch of lined up blindfolded guys, day after day.
>>30247708
Exactly why we wont do that shit anymore. My teams shitty tent in a middle of a swamp is better albeit fucking moist
>>30242221
>Is trench warfare the comfiest form of warfare?
> constant shelling
> mixed smell of shit and rotting bodies
10/10 would ww1 again.
>>30247353
fuck you're autistic. It's not misleading because it's not some academic dissertation. It's just an observation of the carnage of the war, and putting it into perspective.
It's like when people say "you're more likely to be struck by lightning than attacked by a shark", and you'd be the fucking retarded kid who says "yeah but like, if you don't go in the ocean the chances are zero" and doesn't understand the point.
>>30242221
It was until they invented proximity fuses in WWII.
>>30247651
well, yes, but there wasn't the same kind of anti-war and anti-soldier propaganda that we've seen since Vietnam.
>>30248738
you realize that they had fused shells since napoleonic times, right? Sure, they weren't proximity fuses, but turns out it's not THAT hard to get a shell to detonate before it impacts the ground.
>>30248707
>>30248636
>>30248315
>>30248257
>>30248220
>>30248090
>>30246768
>>30244934
>>30243127
>>30242972
>>30242268
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>>30242241
war is cool as hell
>>30247953
>There is also the fact that prior to the Vietnam generation, most of the veterans who had seriousy mental problems were taken to asylums or given proper attentions.
Are you saying they had proper psychological attention given in asylums in the early 20ths and late 19th century? Lobotomies are definitely preferential to modern medicines, for sure man.
>>30248250
that would imply that the higher ups care more about you then they do about tommy in the trench
they don't care about you or tommy they just want dead huns. And the closer you are the better your bombardments get.
you wil probably have a less horrible death tough
>>30247651
anger was directed at the higher ups
the generals and politicians
the soldier was seen as a pawn and not the object of evil
so a soldier and lower officers would not get much greif or hate, the big wigs would. But just as now they where the ones living the really cofy war moving from mansion to mansion as the wine cellar was depleated.
>>30247708
Siegfried Line wasn't neither built in a day nor when the allies were fighting for it.
Same can go for any fortified position today : you dig in advance, while the ennemy isn't there yet.
In that regard, a foxhole is mainly to provide some measure of cover in case of shelling : if you are in your hole, there's less chance of schrapnel getting a direct hit on you. It also provide some cover against direct fire, which is great if local landscape doesn't and you have to hold your position there for a while, meaning you can sleep without fear of being mauled by a machine gun.
It is still a valid defensive tactic for any trooper. Sure, all that digging is a pain in the ass but if you have a few hours to kill anyway, whatever increase your chances of survival is good to get.
Trenches might be shit in mobile warfare at the operational level but, at the tactical level, your average trooper is still grateful to have something to hide inside that will block most AP fire and won't attrack every AT missiles in a few miles radius.
So I guess what I means is that we won't rely on trenches to hold ground for months anymore but troopers still rely on some digging to give them an edge.
And against a low-tech, no-armor, no-airforce enemy, trenches are a huge power multiplier for infantry.
>>30245715
>They don't exist.
>They are going to fuck some peoples shit up.
>>30242307
The part of the Continent where they got bogged down and dug the trenches just so happened to be the EXACT places where there is just a whole fuckload of rain.
Also, how in the name of fuck would they do that? The trenches were like 8 feet deep. Water drains downward, where would they dig to "improve drainage"? Like these men were just SOOOOOO stupid that they couldn't have even figured that out. Also, any additional digging had men running bags of dirt back through the communications trenches to dump it to conceal where there were a bunch of people digging. You couldnt just get down to it because any sign of activity would bring down artillery barrages.
And no, they got no fire, the light would reveal EXACTLY where there were people and bring down artillery. Imagine being as wet and cold as you've ever been, and there is no end in sight, no new town to push to, not even the realistic chance of the enemy overrunning you, making you flee somewhere, anywhere else. Just the absolute shit.
>>30248285
Why in the sweet fuck are the engines already cranked? 120's attached to bomb racks with no canards wtf dice?
>>30242221
Nope!
Terrorism.
If you like being in a shit tier army and being treaty like an imperial guard its a lot of fun.
>>30242221
No.
> Rats try to eat you. Also they carry diseases.
> Corpses of your friends in state of descomposition everywhere. This create more diseases.
> Then you add rain to the other things and it becomes hell in earth.
> Also you don't have Hygiene because there are not showers or hygienic products in the trenchs.
>>30242307
>allowed fires
Burning what exactly? Have you kept a camp fire fed with wood before? How are you going to supply the fire with wood on a regular basis.
How much wood is the army going to have to truck in to keep hundreds of fires burning every day? They are busy enough hauling ammo and food.
If you're finnish then yes.
>>30250014
Dont forget the fact that any night, in the middle of your sleep a squad of motheruckers with bags full of grenades and table legs wrapped in barbed wire would sneak into your trench and start hucking grenades and smashing faces before disappearing as quickly as they had come.
Vietnam was the comfiest war.
>wake up, go out and kill gooks for k/d ratio
>come back to budweiser, hookers and blow
>repeat
>>30243266
This.
Especially if you're on the giving end
>>30242221
Assymetric warfare is comfiest warfare.
>sit at home watch tv
>beat wife
>rape goat
>make bomb
>plant bomb
>go home
>rape goat
>molest child wife
>death to kuffar
>>30246992
>anti-war propaganda
more like you find out the truth about the war being totally morally unjustifiable and have to confront the fact that you were duped and that everything you did was pointless and actually made the world a much worse place
>>30242221
Congratulations on being a well protected suburban child.
>>30251657
>Not choosing to come back to beer and weed
MFW 4 reals
>>30244782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4&index=2&list=PLD9577E6CEBD077B4
I feel as though you would enjoy this whole album anon.
Trenches differed by army according to their strategic needs and philosophy.
The Germans grabbed a big chunk of France and Belgium then realised they were in it for the long haul and constructed very solid, deep trench lines to fight defensively and bleed the Allies dry. They were like "come at me, bro".
The French need to re-take their country and theor philiosphy was "attack, attack, attack" so their trenches were little more than scrapes for jumping-off point for attacks.
The British/Commonwealth trenchs were pretty good but not so permanent as the Germans as they also realised they had to attack but were more pragmatic about it than the French high command.
No.
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.
>>30251657
In the 60s and 70s, blow wasn't as big.
What you should be doing is getting a smack habit in country and bringing it back with you.
>>30248636
That is because the USAG has done a shitty job of selecting them.
Right now a drone pilot is pulled from the same group of people who sign up for every other job. They have to run and do push ups and shoot rifles and peel potatoes and whatever other shit all airmen do.
You could put an ad on /v/ and get 100 pilots in a day who would be better pilots AND suffer no ill effects.
>>30252400
USAF drone pilots are all officers man. They dont just pull some schmuck from the kitchen and give him a joystick.
>>30242221
Yes it's comfy. If you think being stuck in one place over a period of several months. And in those several months your unable to go to the bathroom without risking having your head blown off from shelling. An being unable to bury dead fellow soldiers as their corpses remerges after shelling. And in the end your in a hole in the ground with piss and shit all around you, bodyparts, poisinous gas and barely any sleep, and your probably also is going to die there because rotation of troops wasn't very common in the trench frontlines. And even if you survived you would most certainly be suffering from shell shock. Oh me oh my that's what i call comfy.
>>30252386
I recently heard a piece on NPR I think.. most GI who developed that habit in-country were able to kick it quite easily when they were due to return stateside. In fact, if you were using, they'd keep you in SE Asia for rehab. They had such a clear and immediate reward for quitting that such a hard habit to shake off suddenly became a lot easier. Who knew
>>30248607
No, they were angry about the pointlessness of the war. Fascism developed in Italy because of the massive loss of life for almost no benefit, and the economic and political instability that came with the end of the war. The financial and cultural destruction caused by the terms of the treaties also were factors in the development of fascism in the former Central Powers.
WW1 was essentially a meat grinders between nations. Most battles were the same: have your arty and mortars bombard the other guys line for hours. hope they killed enough enemy MG nests and arty. Have your guys go over the top. Rinse and repeat.
>>30242972
>I can't remember the specifics, but I remember reading that in the opening barrage of some WWI battle, that lasted almost a month, there was more ordinance expended then the entirety of WWII
you cannot remember because that did not happen
why are people so oblivious and uneducated when it comes to ww1
>>30252881
People love to talk up WW1 as some super war when it's just a boring prequel. Just hipster things.
>>30252880
>have artillery hit the enemy
>then attack the enemy
and this is wrong how?
>>30242243
Why did they fill their trench with water? What the fuck? Was it so that they could hear enemies walking through the water at night?
>>30252913
Because the artillery was not able to destroy fortified positions with the effectiveness that they needed.
The more of a barrage you used the more time the enemy had to move up reserves to counterattack. And if you did not barrage your attack failed.
What kind of rations did soldiers get in WW2? How did they get their vitamins including D?
Even if you weren't being shelled or up to your thighs in tepid water, the stench across the front was ungodly. Sewage and thousands of rotting corpses all ground up and flung across the battlefield by mortar and artillery shells. ImagI need smelling that every second of every hour of every day you were there.
>>30249108
>>30252953
They didn't. There's this thing called rain. A lot of battles were fought in areas with low elevation. So even when it didn't rain, there were still instances of ground water seeping up.
>>30252997
Oh. Well why didn't they dig a second trench to drain all the water down into so their trench was nice and dry?
>>30252953
...
I can't express how stupid this is. Have you ever dug a hole?
>>30242781
Was waiting for this vid
Even the heaviest shelling could never get all the machine gun nests. And one nest could devastate an attack. If your shelling missed, was inadequate, or the enemy was fortified, you were fucked when you went over.
If I had to guess, I'd say you're trolling right now.
If you dig a hole below the water table, the water is still going to rise to whatever level it's at. It doesn't matter how many deeper trenches you dig next to it.
>>30242781
>Literally first piece of footage is WW2.
stopped watching, whoever made this didn't do their homework
Why didn't they use the power of water to defeat enemy trenches? Think about it. Instead of shooting HE shells, shoot balloons filled with water. Make it so that the enemy have to climb out if they don't want to drown.
>>30252565
>If you think being stuck in one place over a period of several months.
Where the hell does this myth come from? It was rare to be at the front lines for longer than two weeks at a time, and terms of a week or shorter were more common. The great majority of the infantryman's time was spent maintaining the infrastructure or waiting around in support lines and in reserve. Despite being the most terrible, it was known as most boring war to have happened up until that point.
>>30253138
Does no-one here understand how water bloody works? It'll soak into the ground!
>>30253138
The trenches were made of dirt, not concrete.
>>30250014
>>30251525
pls no
>>30253162
Wait so they made the trench OUT OF dirt? Why didn't the reinforce it with concrete?!
>>30253214
>>30253138
Why not use poison instead of water?
Oh, you can cover more ground with gas rather than liquid?
Boom, gas warfare.
>>30253214
see the ww1 neurosis video to get an idea of how trenches looked, and then imagine trying to get all the equipment there, constructing the wood walls to keep it contained, all without being detected and bombed to fuck.
>>30252969
Oh they gotta lotta D from their comrades. Long nights innatrench will turn the manliest man.
>>30253016
No.
Where I live digging holes is illegal. So are shovels.
mfw europoor
>>30253327
Turn him manlier you mean.
>>30242925
read about the finnish wars if you want to know forest warfare
aint nothing to it
>>30252100
>more like you find out the truth about the war being totally morally unjustifiable and have to confront the fact that you were duped and that everything you did was pointless and actually made the world a much worse place
Not that anon but everything you just said not only counts as "anti-war propaganda" (propaganda isn't always a bad thing) but coming to that realization would be and has been -incredibly- upsetting for people. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
Plus severe psychological trauma is still going to be, well, severe. Looking at a soldier returning from WWII who smells napalm-cooked flesh all the time and can't forget the feeling of a man's skin sloughing off as he tries to lift him, I'd say he's going to have a lot in common with a Chinese woman who survived Nanking and all the shit the Japs did.
>>30249361
>Trenches might be shit in mobile warfare at the operational level but, at the tactical level, your average trooper is still grateful to have something to hide inside that will block most AP fire and won't attrack every AT missiles in a few miles radius.
Not only that but with modern CAS and SAM defenses a trench isn't such a bad thing to have. ATGMs are almost able to match a tank on every level and for a fraction of the cost, so entrenching your troops and providing quick close air support while protecting them (as best you can) from enemy airpower is a viable strategy. It's why any military worth it's salt still trains combat engineers to build all the field fortifications pioneered during WWI and WWII. When it comes to a slugging match between conventional armies with modern equipment it's not at all unreasonable to imagine it could turn out to be like the Iran-Iraq War.
They both had modern equipment and while their use of maneuver warfare wasn't the best, it wasn't necessarily very effective either. All they managed to do was kill the fuck out of each other, their ability to do anything else was severely negated.
>>30244903
Some of those guys look like they have some latent dyskinesia from the effects of nerve gas, the ones that are twitching and stumbling and shit.
comfy as fuck
>>30252953
sigh...
>>30253605
>nerve gas
First nerve agents entered production in 1939.
>>30242461
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-5oZXUNZE
Artillery
>>30243027
did they at least try opiates too?
>>30249361
Trenches and foxholes are pretty much FTPO these days. Occasionally you'll hear of a troop digging a hasty fighting position downrange.
>>30249108
No they fucking aren't.
>trench warfare comfy
dis nigga hasn't even seen any Otto Dix
