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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/10/special-operations-command-looks-to-u-s-companies-for-homemade-ak-47s/
>>30235128
>US made AKs
>>30235128
That's nice, send them Century shit and keep the good stuff for use by people stateside who aren't out playing soldier and toppling governments so Al Qaida/ISIS/whatever is next can take over.
>>30235456
If the government is willing to pay a substantial amount to a company to purchase weapons, that will allow that company to expand and purchase tooling to produce more rifles thereby driving down the cost for everybody else, especially whenever the contract ends.
>>30235473
Except AKs in the US are built on parts kits which are becoming rarer. Why the fuck would I want the US government sucking them up to send them overseas and/or eventually destroy them? Best be is they get some Century shit, a few people die because of it, and it turns them off the idea.
>>30235128
>.gov contract SVD
I'm down for that.
>>30235527
Why would anyone buy a parts kit build when they could buy one from a military factory.
>>30235128
Well, they're going to look elsewhere
US AKs suck
>>30236146
isnt that the point? give away guns to future enemies that shit themselves after 5000 rounds is better than arming them with russian or chinese weapons that last forever.
>Other weapons include the SVD, a unique looking sniper rifle that has likely killed thousands of U.S. troops since it was first introduced in the years leading up to the Vietnam War.
K
Why the fuck would we bother with sourcing any of this shit in the US when we could just purchase it elsewhere like all the good AKs. Molot and Radom could cover that unless they want to use the RK series bullshit or shit like the ARAK FFS.
Not like I'll be seeing guys running around with Krebs or Rifle Dynamics AKs build on fancy new govt contract machines
>>30236200
>federal government
>2016
>not throwing money away at any available opportunity
I wouldn't be supprised to see this project get all the way to the final proving phase only to be ended because "lol m4 beat it in our test"
>>30236164
kek
>>30236200
berry compliance
>>30235128
Distributing russian insteand of american arms to cover the fact who actually supplies them... ah well.
I guess american special forces have higher expectations for quality and reliability of manufacture than eastern european armies or ME militias. There should be acceptable aks produced in NATO states out there, but if they want to spend the money. In the article it only mentions a problem with bulgarian RPG rounds.
>>30236239
Guess the silver lining there is the same as usual when the mil tests new shit. The civi market gets new shit.
God can you imagine if Red Jacket we're still around. They would be hacking up "Segas" and slapping NSNs on em before they read the paperwork
>>30235456
This
>>30236284
Apparently the only thing that changes in our armed forces is the gender of the CO's.
They'd try to rehash that .308 SVD with the 'SUPER LOCK TIME OF MAGIC'. I miss that show, was always good for a laugh at the inbreds.
>probably good that's it's gone, put us in a bad light
>>30236317
Hey they want nonstandard right. I'm sure sig is probably sitting on piles of 556Rs that nobody wants.that's sorta an AK
As far as being painted in a bad light RJF and Gunsmoke both shit on us.
>half of all the sooper-sekrit spook groups worldwide already use AR-pattern weapons
>a gorillion and one piston ARs for MUH RELIABILITY
>looking for AKs
Unless they're looking for some 5.45 action, I've got no idea why they'd do this.
>>30235128
SOCOM’s solicitation includes weapons such as the iconic “AK-47″ rifle, a catchall designator for Kalashnikov-variant rifles designed to fire a certain type of ammunition and often identified by their distinctive curved magazines. Other weapons include the SVD, a unique looking sniper rifle that has likely killed thousands of U.S. troops since it was first introduced in the years leading up to the Vietnam War. Additionally, Russian medium and heavy machine guns as well as 14.5mm aircraft guns are included in the notice.
u.s. made svd's soon? get hype
>An AK will become the M-18 service rifle
wat
>>30236453
This anon and others get it. Who ever gets the contract will be held to quality standards close to the Russian made AK47s. Ultimately after a few years we will see civilian models and a few years after that you'll see used ones on the market.
Its a shame the AK and it's variations are band by name so often even when the AR is left alone.
>>30236414
so they can give them to moderates without suspicion, or take shit from them operator style
>>30236101
Holy shit, muh dick
>Recently, U.S.-backed groups in Syria have been spotted with American equipment, including heavy machine guns and sniper rifles.
It's a PR thing, politicians are worried that they might look bad the next time we see a Shillery style foreign intervention.
>>30236414
To blend with locals, but it is stupid af since a white guy no matter how Italian will not fit in.
>>30236118
Because militaries are cheap.
Its so they can build in spy agencies gizmos to track them or splode them at the push of a button.
>>30236146
I don't get it, not like the AK is a complicated design that hasn't been copied by dozens of other countries. The US is the #1 gun country on earth since the Civil War and we can't make a cheap commie rifle?
>>30236956
More likely they want to just give rebel groups a lot of weapons without the global media being like "why the fuck does ISIS have so many M16s?"
>>30236414
so they can give them to rebels
>>30236926
Funny thing this is one reason why both Russia and China manufacture M16 and AR15 clones.
>>30235128
>>30235527
>>30236118
>>30236200
You guys are missing the point. If a company like FN or Berrett get a major contract to build AK and SVD rifles, they will build all new machining tool to fulfill the contract and not use surplus scarps like Century Arms or the other companies do. They can in turn flip these rifles on the civilian market.
>>30237471
OR
>Glock brand AK's
>it's just fucking glock chambered in 7.62x39
>>30236956
> no matter how Italian
I shouldn't have laughed that hard at this
>>30237471
It's about damn time a modern company adopted the most prolific platform on the face of the planet. I'm really hoping to see slight improvements made. Maybe like a US version if the galil or valmet, with our own spin on it.
Definitely needs a thumb selector, standard optic rail, and a full handguard (not the half handguard they opted for so they could use less wood) with mlok or keymod, whatever you tactifags use.
What would you like to see on a new production AK?
>>30237517
I can see USSOCOM wanting a left side charging handle a accessory kit similar if not a total copy of zenitco's wares. They may want to maintain the side rail, hinge the cover, and perhaps make a dust cover for the open space in between the cover and receiver. This could have great long term effects on the US market. Perhaps domestic 5.45 ammo and cheaper 7.62x39.
>>30237517
>>30237560
Now, nice as that all sounds, it really depends on their intent. I doubt this is love and admiration for the AK platform for performance. Since it's SOCOM, I almost 200% guarantee this is them trying to get AK's to blend in, as they have often been showed to use, but getting sick of having to find and buy them off some goatfucker with a bore looser than his favorite goat.
>Captcha: 511
>>30237560
Soo, an AK12.
I can't seem to remember, what's the one with the full time dust cover? As in every shot pushes a thin sheet of metal out of the way so the charging handle can go back, then it returns?
>>30237599
Even if they are trying to make direct copies of the AKM,AK74 and SVD we win on the civilian side unless some anti 2A faggot company like airtronic takes the contract. I'm leaning on FN getting the contract if it does get offered. If FN,Barrett or god forbid Colt gets it, we'll be seeing US 100% parts made slav tech in the market.
>>30237619
The only AK type rifle I can think of is the FNC,not sure if the slavs something like that.
>>30235527
>US AKs built by companies use oarts kits
what the fuck are you smoking??
>>30237638
>FNC
>ak type
>>30237638
>If FN,Barret or god forbid colt gets it, we'll be seeing US 100% parts made slav tech in the market.
I am now erect
>>30237657
Its not Russian, but shares some designs from an AK rifle.
>>30236453
>yfw this whole project was started by some gun enthusiast operator who wanted an SVD
>>30237671
No, it's literally a redesigned FAL
>>30235473
more like they're going to mark up the price because "muh spec ops ak"
>>30237680
according to this hentai, the bolt design is a modification of an AK design.
>>30237715
So you would rather have nothing?
>>30236414
Logistics. If you can take ammo off your enemies you free up quite a bit of room for what supply drops you do get.
>>30236579
You use non-allied weapons for that specifically to remove any link. Which looks more like a US supply drop? 40 guys with US made AK's or 40 guys with a mix of AK's, FAL's, M4's, and G3's?
>>30237638
It was a modern AK variant, still can't find it. But upon further inspection the AK12 does not allow debris in regardless of safety position.
>>30237599
They still like their optics and convenience. I don't think it should be a complete redesign, just a tweak. They should keep the classic profile and interchangeable parts but give it a much needed slap into the modern age. So long as it looks like an AK from a reasonable distance they should be good.
>>30237736
Arab ammo tends to be shitty. I doubt USSOCOM guys are going to take shitty Kyber pass reloads unless they can get some Chinese or Russian ammo 100% of the time.
My guess this is a front to supply US backed rebels with Russian looking guns. I could care less as long as this means the domestic market gets in on the action.
>>30237560
>>30237517
>>30237471
>>30236118
They just want cheapshit AKs they can fucking send to the kurds.
You fucktard AKboos aren't getting AK12s.
The Kurds are getting AK pattern AKs built on American tooling.
If you really want an AK12 or an A545, fucking buy an ARAK21 upper, slap in on a CMMG mutant lower or a PSA mutant lower, and end up paying slightly more than what you would have if you bought a SLR, minus all the tacticool shit you would have gotten such as rail mount, railed handguard, collapsible stock and so forth.
It's not too late
>>30237762
It almost certainly is. Obama and Hillary are getting fucked right now with all those videos of ISIS opening up weapons crates full if American looking guns.
Their defense is ISIS captured shit intended for the "moderates" but Israeli-the Israeli-tier shady shit going on who in hell knows?
>>30237767
An ARAK is nowhere near an AK12 and what you described is not an AK variant.
There's no way they're going to keep that arcane selector and useless dust cover, at the very least. If they do they're stupid and wasteful but then again...
>>30237767
>CMMG
>PSA
>Not buying SLRs
>not getting a side folding stock
Turbo pleb detected. Get lost, nerd.
>>30237498
GAK
The same sound I'd make if I saw a glock AK.
100% USAK's
MYYYYYY DIIIIIIIICK
>>30237809
PLASTIC GAS RODS
FEDS FEDS I FOUND A AY KAY FOUGHTY SEVS
>>30235128
Post yfw DDI wins because they are the only ones with the capability outside century arms
>>30237856
Does DDI even build all their parts? Aren't their Saiga clones built using Chinese barrels imported from Canada? I'm pretty sure one of the big name companies in the US will get it and just start up tooling.
>>30237791
An AK12 is just a dressed up AK74.
An ARAK21 is a long stroke piston AR upper with a bolt carrier almost identical to an AK bolt and bolt carrier only with with it machined to fit within the size constraints of an AR upper.
SOCOM wants AK brand AKs to ship so that if fucking ISIS gets their hands on them, they can be linked back to the US. So no, pants on head retarded fire selector and useless dust cover is here to stay.
>>30237799
>Paying 1200 dollars for what Russia makes for 75 dollars
>Finishing is shit anyway and rusts to hell and back now
>Slavboos will defend this
I love the AK, I'll defend it to my dying breath for being a work of art in it's simplicity, but an AK style upper on an AR is miles better for all intents and purposes including price.
It wouldn't take much to machine an AK style upper more pure to the cheapshit design of the AK when you can make a stripped AR upper for 30 dollars, barrels for 60, BCG for 70, furnishings for 20, and handguard for 30.
All that's needed is the technical data for companies to rip off. Nobody wants to do a Faxon and make an over engineered albeit beautiful piece of engineering, because it's absurdly difficult and expensive to machine monolithic uppers. They want something that's cheap and easy to machine, that they can also machine from the same tooling they already have access to. Whether it's BCM, Noveske, S&W, or Ruger, they'll only take the plunge if it's cheap. Thus short stroke piston uppers. When it's literally like 30 dollars worth of steel and machining, why not?
Though I'm 99% sure it'll be PSA who comes out with the first true blue AK upper for the AR because having the ability to use AR barrels, AR furniture, 60% of all AR parts, AR lowers and what not, so that you can have a nonshit piston upper for all the 733t autist oper8tors, who's preorders would immediately pay off all the tooling, is a fucking lucrative business opportunity and PSA loves to have a hand in everybody's pants.
>>30237942
My Arsenals haven't rusted away and I try to use them on a monthly basis. Maybe I got lucky. Or maybe you are listening to butthurt WASR fags being a fox with no grapes.
If you could point me to the Russian AKs being sold for 75 USD I would be much obliged. If the market gets SVDs and more AKs, despite the price, it helps the market and allows competition as well as tells gun companies there is a market for guns in the US that aren't AR-15s or hunting rifles.
>>30237890
>Does DDI even build all their parts?
They are working on a 100% US produced AK and have been for a while.
>Aren't their Saiga clones built using Chinese barrels imported from Canada?
Their shotguns are made in china then 922r'd in the USA I think
> I'm pretty sure one of the big name companies in the US will get it and just start up tooling.
Too expensive
>>30238012
>Too expensive
>AK parts
>for a US contract
If this is for a few thousand pieces the big contract companies will take the pick it up.
>>30237942
>>30238001
>owned my slr 107 for about 2 years now
>14k rounds through the pipe
>watch bob sleds video and decide to mag dump two drums
>hot as shit but no paint bubble
>now at 29k round and getting my shot out barrel replaced
>still no finish problems minus the scratches and scuffs from dropping her
Feels good desu
>>30236277
We don't want to buy from the Russians
>>30237657
>>30237680
>FNC
>Redesigned FAL
>Uses rotating bolt
>Bolt design mirrors a Kalashnikovs
>Reciever is milled like Type 3 Kalashnikovs and their licensed copies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnVVqTGNCYo
>>30237720
No, stop, that's just a way to make you and us /ak/ fags look like dumbasses
>>30238052
Jelly noarsenal WASR poorfags gonna hate.
>>30238052
Can't feel better than paying 300 for a saiga and having the same if not better quality and an extra 900$ to spend on ammo and horse urine.
>>30238113
I'll bite... why horse urine?
>>30238001
New Arsenal SLRs have had their finishing bubble from one to two mag dumps.
They've also been rusting like a motherfucker, according to new reports and bitchfest videos that are being put on youtube.
I know someone has emailed Arsenal and the representative that emailed him back said that the paint bubbling and shit, was a "feature" of the rifle or something along those lines, and if you don't want your gun to do that, you shouldn't mag dump, or shoot it at all because guns don't get hot I guess.
In Russia, Saiga level quality AKs are made 75 dollars a pop. However, because of importation bullshit and the fact that rifles have to be destroyed, as well as taxes and what not, parts kits get absurdly expensive really quickly in the US.
You could honestly machine your own AK parts kit on a Siege X2 CNC and Lathe for about 200 dollars. Rivets and flat, being about 100 if you buy it.
But you'd end up buying a CNC/milling machine, lathe, spot welder, and press, which would definitely cost you about 2000, maybe 2500. Harbor freight is great for buying the base shit but you do need to invest a bit into the mill/cnc to get the most out of it, same with the lathe.
The nice thing is, though, with all this shit, there really isn't a gun you can't machine by yourself.
That includes the SVD. Fuck, with experience and time, you can make your own SCAR. The lower can be machined from aluminum as well. Obviously barrels are an issue but with a bit of finagling and tweaking, it'd possible to convert the SVD to taking AR10 torqed on barrels, and a SCAR to doing the same, and springs are dirt cheap if you know where to buy and specifically what you're looking for.
If you know what you're doing, there really isn't anything you can't build. But that requires quite a bit of learning and time, but with the kind of engineering degree you'd get, the bank you'd be making might be better off spent just buying the shit you want.
>>30238142
Why the fuck not? I have extra money from not getting ripped off by Bulgarian jews. Plus that shit can get expensive.
>>30237736
>Which looks more like a US supply drop? 40 guys with US made AK's or 40 guys with a mix of AK's, FAL's, M4's, and G3's?
But then you fuck up their logistics.
Armorers are going to fucking hate this. This could get interesting with the tooling created to make their jobs easier.
>>30238147
>I know someone has emailed Arsenal and the representative that emailed him back said that the paint bubbling and shit, was a "feature" of the rifle or something along those lines, and if you don't want your gun to do that, you shouldn't mag dump, or shoot it at all because guns don't get hot I guess.
Can you link this email? I've mag dumped from time to time without issue.
>>30238147
Where can one acquire knowledge on how to make Russian quality guns by oneself?
That would be a pretty nifty contribution when SHTF. Just loot machines/scraps no one else would even care to loot and start up your own plant churning out defense for the good guys.
>>30235128
should just get some lelmet rifles. support finland so they can keep producing memes for the internet. they are awesome rifles also.
>>30238178
Armorers are fucking faggots that baerly do their fucking job. I encountered a pog in Afghanistan that had an M16A2 with an M16A1 1:12 barrel because his armorer was a faggot. Most of the issues with M249s are because lazy armorers never gauge those guns.
>>30235527
>Except AKs in the US are built on parts kits which are becoming rarer. Why the fuck would I want the US government sucking them up
exactly
the ideal here is the stupid ban on saigas is lifted as a result of SOCum's request
>>30238147
I've never seen problems as exaggerated as those arsenal ones. I went out after that happened and bump fired several mags and got mine burning hot. Paint is still there. I'm still not seeing this rust that is supposed to be covering my rifle by now.
>Omg arsenal a shit everyone buy wasr
>>30238184
Go on /akg/ and ask. I didn't save it because it was like 3 at night and I'd been poisoning my liver.
>>30238196
Mechanical Engineering Technology.
Fuck what the engineers say, Engineering Technology is almost solely based upon actually building shit, reverse engineering shit and making dreams become a reality.
I have a lot of respect for Engineers but they're idealists. The Technicians are the realists.
I'd suggest the route I'm going through, going into CAD engineering design and transferring into a full blown Engineering Technology program.
Some MET programs I've seen don't cover CAD, while some do. Having CAD under the belt doesn't seem like it'd be important because of the massive abundance of drafters out there right now, but having the ability to write your own gcode, draft your own designs, understand them, be able to tweak and correct them as well as build your own shit from scratch, makes you a highly desired everyman.
It's also a good base for going into full blown engineering and going to techshools then transferring is also cheaper, for me, it's about 20k cheaper. Also, from what I've been told by guys who've actually worked for the likes of NASA in person, some of the best engineers they've had and known, were Technicians at one point.
It's knowing the full spectrum that makes and gets shit done.
>>30238248
When did you buy your Arsenal
>READ: New Arsenal SLRs
>>30238248
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlL-uRkJ0yA
>WASR 10
>Breaks after 265 rounds
>>30238276
Meanwhile fullretard WASRs at Battlefield Las Vegas outlast most of their contemporaries. Come on man, don't be a dolt and fight retardation with retardation.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/06/03/how-many-rounds-can-an-ak-fire-before-it-breaks-down/
>>30238200
Aren't they (or didn't they) just discontinue those? There's a pile sitting around somewhere but due to Europe being gay as fuck they'll likely destroy them. They especially wouldn't sell them to the US, and superespecially knowing full well we intend to use them in the middle east.
Quite unfortunate.
Why do people act as if wasrs are a fucking God send? Hell, I love mine to death, but it's a 600 dollar rifle. It's amazing for the value but it's not perfect by no means.
This is almost as forced as the fucking mosin meme.
>>30238353
>why do people like this $600 AK that has absurd reliability, comes with an arsenal CHF chrome line barrel, accepts almost any AK aftermarket part, and does everything an AK is supposed to do
Gee Timmy I dunno it's a real fucking mystery. Where are people saying it's perfect?
>Hey guys SOCOM is looking at adopting homegrown AKs!
>MAN FUCK ARSENALS
>MAN FUCK WASRS
holy shit, who let the salty children in?
>>30238361
>arsenal chf chrome lined barrel
>arsenal
>Bulgarian company
>on a fucking Romanian gun
>>30238370
WASRs are junk compared to converted Saigas or Arsenals.Some people scoff at paying 1K for an AK but Arsenal is the only company offering side folders or milled receivers or flat gas brakes.
>>30238387
>thinks the terms arsenal is limited only to the Bulgarian company
Holy shit.
>>30238395
Oh get off your high horse, they're perfectly serviceable rifles and they have more quality put into them than you're admitting. The issues with the Arsenal AKs are overblown to all shit, but it also proves they're not the most perfect AKs to ever exist in this realm of reality. You wanting to shit over anything related to WASRs is just as childish and ignorant as the people thinking the surface prep and finish defects of a recent batch of Arsenals is representative of the entire line and the overall quality thereof.
>>30238370
The best part is they're fighting over rifles that only have a few hundred dollars' price difference between them. It's fucking sad.
>>30238433
Arsenals are better than a WASR for several reasons. A WASR is fine if you don't care about getting modernized parts or if you don't want a milled receiver. They are not on par with each other.
>>30238433
Yeah keep posting canted sights friendo. Also I don't know where you're getting the barrel info from but the older wasrs use the original factory parts Barrel, while the 10/63 use American no name manufacturer barrel and receiver.
>>30238433
>>30238472
some people think WASRs never have canted sights.
>>30238456
No one is saying they are. They're also not pieces of shit like you're pretending they are.
>>30238472
>hile the 10/63 use American no name manufacturer barrel and receiver.
This is wrong on so many levels, but it's already apparent you have no idea what you're talking about. The barrels are sourced from Cugir, the exact same place that has been providing WASRs from the beginning. Do you know why those receivers for the WASR don't have dimples? Because they're meant to accommodate single-stack magazines. And that's because, in order to come in from Romania, they have to be in a "sporter" configuration. This is why Century has to machine out the magwell. Do you think they would do this if they just made the receivers in America? I don't know where you get your information from, but you need to find new sources.
>>30238503
No one is saying these things. Why do you keep on constructing strawmen to tear down?
>>30238514
>Post an image of assumed Arsenal with canted sights as if this is a common issue
>Meanwhile google search shows how common this problem is on WASRs.
>>30238533
It is an Arsenal. The image was used to drive home the point that Arsenals are not God's gift to AKs. It is a common enough issue, but by far isn't the norm. Just as it is with WASRs. Why are you so defensive of your rifle, and why do you have such a frothing hatred for WASRs? No one even brought up the WASR in this thread until you did, and in that opening post it was you saying how inferior those who owned them were to you. Where does this insecurity stem from?
>>30238456
>Unironically wanting a milled receiver
>>30238549
You need to stop projecting. Comparing a WASR to a Arsenal is on par with comparing a Centry Golani to a Galil. It works, but it's inferior to a Galil and quality issues are far more common. Also I wasn't the one trying to bash Aresnals in this thread and complaining like a juvenile unaware how economics work that guns in the US aren't sold at the manufacturing cost rifles in Russia and US made AKs and SVDs won't be sold for 75 USD. In fact that is a shame as the OP is a very interesting topic. Poor people ruin everything.
>american-made SVD
would it be bad?
>>30238603
>Comparing a WASR to a Arsenal
No one has done that here aside from you.
>Also I wasn't the one trying to bash Aresnals in this thread
No, instead you immediately turned your rage onto WASRs and have been going on ever since. How are you any better than those people?
>Poor people ruin everything.
Your rifle barely cost four figures and is only about $400 more than a WASR, don't act like you have something completely outside the pricerange bracket of the people you apparently despise so much.
>>30238608
Depends on who makes it. I wonder if that faggy SVD in .308 that MAC the retard was shilling turned into vaporware.
>>30238621
You can always spot a WASR fag when they spurg out about Arsenals. If Saigas were still being imported and converted, they would call those out anytime one was shipped with a scratch on the receiver.
>don't act like you have something completely outside the pricerange bracket of the people you apparently despise so much.
We are talking about people who chide AR owners for spending 1k on guns and often hoard Mosin Nagants due to no impulse control. Also if anyone is derailing this thread, its you WIDF. I was here gladly contributing to how the government wanting US made slavshit would be a good thing until you came along.
>>30235456
>>30236311
Don't you have Youth Mao League Struggle meeting to get to in Berkeley, you fucking faggots?
>>30238669
Don't mind the liberals. They got lost on making their daily gun control spam threads.
>>30238668
Your contributions to the actual thread topic are minimal compared to your ravings on WASRs and those who own them. Hell, you're still going on about them, straw men and all, blaming your lack of self control on others. You don't have an expensive rifle, you're really not any better than the people you have a hateboner for, and you've done more than your fair share of derailing this thread. Grow up, acknowledge your actions, learn to appreciate your purchases without denigrating those of others. Peace.
>>30238702
Thank you volunteer thread police. I may not have an expensive rifle, but that won't stop you speaking about how sour that grape is.
>>30238714
I don't have any AKs, sorry. Good luck with that persecution complex.
>>30237942
>>30238001
>>30238052
There are reasons not related to production as to why Arsenal is taking a shit. They're still a good company and they still make a good gun.
It's just that that gun is heading to other parts of the world on military contract. The rest we're getting and they're being rushed to fill those military contract orders. So if your SLR bubbles?
Blame ISIS.
>>30235128
but why
>>30238737
Going scavenger mode. If we keep fighting people who are armed with these things, it makes sense that we'd want to be outfitted with weapons that are made to use their shit.
Particularly for, say, and SF A-Team that's off in the boonies for months on a FID assignment.
>>30237248
Because the ak has to be hand fitted with parts, there's a reason the bolt, bcg and extractor is all serial #. Now I'm not talking about some slav spending 3 hours custom honing parts for a precision fit.
The ak has such loose tolerances that only certain parts will fit snuggly where some might fit looser than my whore ex so they will do some small hand fit on parts which takes up production time where as 'murica wants to slam parts together and move the product out the door
Same thing applies to cz75 pistols, you can't drop in a replacement barrel without hand fitting the barrel. Technically on aks your not suppose to use a spare/replacement bolt without checking the headspace
tl;dr
the ak isn't a cnc precision measured rifle like the ar15 is, hence why ar15 reliability has finally improved because cnc machining took out all the human imperfections of the 70s
>>30238044
They would have to make every single part with new tooling, that would be very expensive. You cant just cnc all the parts.
>>30237679
I would buy an SVd in .308
Or 7.62R
Or fuck even .22
>>30239115
The norinco ones are a bit cheaper than the legit ones and also come in 7.62x51.
What's your favorite weapon?
>>30236101
adopted as standard DMR when?
muh
>>30238200
Finland hasn't produced RK series rifles since 1998.
>>30237762
This
They're basically trying to avoid another Division 30 incident where that rebel group basically got robbed of all their US weapons and equipment by JaN in exchange for being allowed to pass through a certain area on the way to the "front" without incident
>>30235128
wouldn't it be easier if they just make a new barrel that fits 7.62 for their AR15?
What happened to the tooling for the VKT / Sako akish rifles? Did Beretta destroy it? I read something a while back about why there was never that much East German commie ammo imported. Don't know if it was true, but read that .gov demilled a couple billion rounds and gave the powder to german farmers as fertilizer. I would not be surprised if the Finnish tooling met a similar fate. I thought it was very, very strange that a government would divorce itself from military domestic small arms production.
>>30236414
Assume this is backdoored aid to the peshmerga. These guys aren't idiots. America will arrive, give out a ton of cash and equipment, do some air strikes, and then some drugged up college kid will wave a sign and suddenly we'll cut and run.
AKs are what people use over there. Parts, ammo, training. So why not plan for the "give peace a chance" by giving them shit that won't be unmaintainable once we're gone?
Antiwar-proofing the war.
>>30238669
>>30238688
Fuck off.
>DD/Noveske milled AK clones
yes pls
>>30240267
No you fuck off problem glasses wearing numale faggot. Go back to watching your bull fuck your disgusting tumblr attention whore girlfriend.
>YFW IO. Inc takes up the call
>>30240307
>unironically wanting a milled AK
>>30238147
>New Arsenal SLRs have had their finishing bubble from one to two mag dumps.
>one run of painted rusty rifles
>has already been identified
>every other alphabetical run is fine
>>30242465
So no answer about the trigger failing to reset?
>>30242517
I stopped reading after the retard spew about paint.
>nothing about triggers in post
I am not who you think I am.
>>30238505
>No dimples are single stack!
No, it's because WASRs are cheap shit export rifles, and reciever dimples are corners they can cut, just like not bothering to check for canted sights.
The only thing that defines a single stack mag well is having a narrow mag well that can only accommodate single stack mags. Zastava's N-PAPs have dimpled receivers, but they're also imported with single stack magwells.
Cugir is just a bunch of cheap gypsys doing shoddy work. The only saving grace is that they do their shoddy work on original tooling, which makes it very hard to fuck up a rifle bad enough to make it unusable.
>>30242546
But the trigger has been a issue for a long while now and is always been
>replace with tapco
or now that the alg is big
>replace with alg
because it has a horrible trigger pull and has a issue where it does not reset properly in the rob ski test he even nd's because of the reset issue.
>>30242588
i'd take a wasr over an arsenal any day
>>30238503
>>30237638
holy shit I never knew you were this retarded
>>30242605
Today, sure. Absolutely not if it was 2010.
>>30242595
>But the trigger has been a issue for a long while now and is always been
Never saw any bitching in /akg/ and have never had an issue with my Arsenal trigger.
>replace
If I had an issue I would get a tapco and be done with it.
But I don't.
People need to learn how to clean their guns I would assume.
>>30237471
>US made AKs!
>on all American tooling!
>almost as good as the old commie ones, for $2000 each!
>>30242588
Cugir has been forced to get better at QC in the past couple of years and now has similar QC as Arsenal and has a better trigger.
>>30242611
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105158
The trigger issue is pretty well documented with their 2 stage triggers even /akg/ says just get rid of it.
>>30242605
A well made WASR is no worse than a well made Arsenal. The real difference is how likely they are to fuck it up and how likely they are to catch it at QC.
Izmash almost never fudges their rifles
MOLOT almost never fudges their rifles
Zastava rarely fudges their rifles
Arsenal rarely fudges their rifles
Cugir is hit or miss
DDI is hit or miss
Interord is asleep at the wheel
If Interord manages to shit out a rifle that's put together straight, with good riveting and quality parts, I'd take it over the rare fluke that Izmash might let slip past QC - but I'd feel a lot more confident getting an Izmash rifle sight unseen.
>>30242668
A 2016 Arsenal is now hit or miss thanks to military contracts. Cugir has also stepped up their QC in the last couple of years, yes some sights might be slightly canted but no more than is "acceptable" of arsenals or any military aks.
>>30242706
The lack of dimples is still a corner cutting measure that I won't understand.
There is literally no reason to not dimple the reciever, except to skip the step - it increases the reciever's rigidity, it reduces magazine wobble, and it's more "correct" for the puritans.
Cugir's military rifles all use dimpled recievers, so they have the equipment and knowledge of how to do it - they just don't want to.
To me, it just indicates that the WASR is intended to be a second rate rifle.
For the same money, I'd get a Zastava rifle.
>>30242653
>>30242611
Third party 107 owner here, I replaced mine with alg before shooting it. It's only like 47 bucks and you are already spending a grand so I thought it was a necessary upgrade. Also it's fun as fuck, dat instant reset.
>>30238103
Man I wish I had an ak with shit finish, a shit trigger and horribly QA/QC from the company.
>>30242610
>>30242618
I come back to this thread and poor people are still sperging out? WASRs have the same problems Arsenals have and more. But a WASR will not have a side folding stock or modern gas brake or muzzle brake.
>>30242754
Its because the state they come into the country is still uses a single stack mag and thus has no use for dimples cugir used to import the sar rifles with dimples and still imports pistols with dimples for what ever reason they do not believe they are necessary on a rifle series that never had them.
>>30242828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJaikgeAQk
>>30238737
Deniability.
>>30236101
That's totally feasible. They've got to have a few smuggled-in examples sitting in a warehouse somewhere.
>>30235128
Clearly a Congressman has an investment in a company that does this stuff. Same story with UCP.
>>30242795
Keep talking about how sour those grapes are.
>Shit finish
compared to that space-age rattlecan paint job WASR rifles have? Still isn't melting off, but I'm sure you'll cling to any scrap of bad antidote to make you feel superior with your poorfag blaster.
>shitty trigger
Care to explain how a WASR trigger is superior to a Arsenal? Or explain what is so wrong about an arsenal trigger?
>>30242844
I'll keep this in mind next time I need to mag dump four combat loads worth of magazines and then some one after the other. At least it still works, unlike a WASR after less than 400 rounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlL-uRkJ0yA
>>30242828
WASRs do not have stocks canted, rust under the finish, a finish that can look good until 90 rounds in, a simple adapter allows use of 74 sized brakes.
The one and only thing a arsenal has over a wasr is a folding stock.
>>30242907
>WASRs do not have rust under the finish
>>30242833
Again, dimples increase receiver strength as well.
Cugir also knows that almost every WASR gets its magwell machined out the second they hit the US, and I'm sure that the US is probably their biggest export market.
Century goes through the trouble of welding in plates where the dimples would be - I'd be surprised if Century hasn't tried to get Cugir to put dimples in the receiver
There is absolutely no excuse to not have dimples in a reciever, even if it's single stack, except to save on labor.
Why does every other exporter dimple the recievers of their single stack rifles, but Cugir doesn't?
Why does Cugir dimple recievers of every rifle they make except for the WASR?
Simple. The WASR is intended to be a budget, second-rate economical rifle, and that's reflected in its construction.
Is there anything fundamentally wrong with that? No, as long as you know what you're getting - a budget, second rate rifle.
The problem is that nothing about WASRs justifies them being priced as high as they are now. I would not pay over $500 for one. On today's market, the Zastava is a nicer rifle for the same money.
>>30242907
>WASRs do not have stocks canted
No but they sure can cant a gasblock
>>30242898
Incorrect, Robskis Wasr has had over 8000 rounds through it without any major issues, the Arsenal started having major issues after just 1000 rounds. Yet, the arsenal is worth twice as much, this is unacceptable, no amount of mental gymnastics you do is going to justify that level of poor QC from arsenal.
>I won't ever need to fire three magazines worth of ammo very quickly at all.
Then why even have a semi auto in the first place? Don't you fucking lie to me and say you've never fired your ak or any other semi auto gun as quickly as you can, this Arsenal did it within 3-4 magazines, 90-120 rounds. If you compare that to the RAS47 you'll see that didn't have the same issue, however the RAS47 has other terrible issues as well., but your 1000 dollar gun shouldn't do this, why are you paying a premium for shit quality?
>Whats wrong with arsenal trigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCp3lFr2N4
Just so we're clear, I don't use wasr myself, my friend has one and it's not terrible, but personally I own a vepr myself, and I can guarantee that if your arsenal is like Robskis in those videos that my vepr will outlast that arsenal in any test.
>they're literally having to Frankenstein that arsenal
>>30242940
Yes that is rust that is visible and can be found easily when inspecting a rifle unlike Arsenals where if it has rust at the factory they just pain over it.
>>30242955
So can arsenals.
>>30242940
Thats rust threw the finish or over the finish not under it.
>>30242980
>Incorrect, Robskis Wasr has had over 8000 rounds through it without any major issues
So becuase AK operators union have a WASR last 8000 round that invalidates Iraq veteran's video of a WASR dying before 400 rounds, yet one Arsenal paint job means ALL Arsenals suck?
>Then why even have a semi auto in the first place?
Because I don't mag dump an entire ammocan's worth of rounds in one range day I now am under using my gun? I guess the US military is under using their M4s as the US Army and Air Force use less than 300 rounds on a rifle qual?
>video
This is shit I'm still not experiencing with an Arsenal SAM7 or SLR104. Perhaps this is an issue with the SLR107?
>>30242998
Yet they still sold it to a vendor.
>>30243056
Arsenal also sold a rusty rifle to a vender I'm not sure what your doing here other than trolling arsenal in the last year has been having the same QC problems as cugir and more because their is more to check on their rifles.
Wouldn't it make more sense to contract out to either the Russian government or purchase them through shell corporations? These are obviously for the blackest of ops and low volume. Plausible deniability beats made in Murica.
>>30243087
>implying we haven't captured shit loads of every AK variant we could ever want in Iraq and Afghanistan
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a bunch of Nork AKs stashed away somewhere.
>>30243074
>Arsenal also sold a rusty rifle to a vender
Where? Google brings up way more cases of WASR rust than one example.
>>30243087
They don't want to give money to Russia, just like how Izhmash builds M4s for the Russian government rather than try to buy them from the US. It's easier for DOD to contract a domestic company to build guns that are simpler than what they are already making than risk the backlash of giving money to a country that is sactioned. FN already makes Mk. 19s,M249s and M240s. An AK is less complicated.
>>30243136
Nork AKs are shit. Why would USSOCOM want some beat to hell and mistreated guns that are likely out of headspace and with eroded barrels with mix matched parts than adopt newly built guns?
>>30237471
>FN made AK, Barett made SVD
That would be so awesome...
Like, John Moses Browning and Mikhail Kalashnikov doing an eiffel tower with lady liberty kind of awesome.
>>30243056
You're not really understanding the issue here, Iraqveterans test isn't the same kind of test that Robskis doing, Iraqveterans test is to shoot a rifle in automatic fire as long as it can before malfunctioning. Robskis video is a torture test in the sense of actual likely stresses your semi auto rifle could face such as dropping the rifle on it's magazine on a hard surface, having your rifle ran over by vechile, dropping your rifle in the river or large body of water, having to fire a lot of ammo down range (I know what you're going to say, I'll revisit this in a minute) accuracy testing at various distances to determine if rifle can still hold zero after these stresses, etc.
Now, the reason why Iraqveterans pseudo automatic test is different from Robskis is because Robski is shooting that rifle in semi auto, and not forcing it to shoot that quickly, the bigger reason why that wasr failed is because of the heat and not from wear, which is where Robskis tests are focusing on, durability from physical stresses and not from just heat. I have a feeling that if they took that SLR 107 and did it the same as the wasr, it'd fail around the same time frame if we're going by robskis tests of that rifle thus far. However TL;DR Those tests are comparing apples to oranges, try again.
In addition, if you looked around on recent forums you will notice a lot of people having the exact same issues as Robskis arsenal is, now this is the internet so you're going to end up finding forum posters claiming anything, so I took this posts with a grain of salt before Robskis tests came out, and I'll be frank with you, I was hoping the Arsenal rifle would have done the best of any ak they had so far, but so far I'm not impressed at all
>Just SLR 107
It appears that some SLR 104s are having the same issue.
I think the ultimate reason why this is happening is that Arsenal iirc had several big military contracts in recent years and its QA just haven't caught up.
>>30243158
Yes guns rust if you don't take care of them please show me a rifle with rust hidden under paint until you go through a few magazines you shity troll.
>>30243158
If the Armys M4s started having their finish bubble within 4 magazines worth of shooting I'm sure they wouldn't care because the Army wants "Good enough" not high quality.
Military grade/=/Premium
>>30242898
>Care to explain how a WASR trigger is superior to a Arsenal?
Holy shit you are an loud ignorant bitch.
Yeah, hate to break this to you, but a G2 FCG kind of shits all over the one that comes with an Arsenal. This is something a child knows, dude.
>>30239253
When more than one unit uses DMRs.
>>30242955
There are plenty of examples of Arsenals with canted gas blocks and sights, calm down already.
>>30242954
> On today's market, the Zastava is a nicer rifle for the same money.
It really isn't, but this doesn't stop a bunch of parrots spouting off this meme anyways. The fit and finish between the two is pretty comparable, and with the WASR you get a chromed, cold hammer forged barrel and access to a lot more aftermarket. Hell, the PAPs have even recently had issues with improperly heat-treated components.
>>30243160
Barrett is a pretty awesome company. I could see their guns coming into the market at a decent cost.
>Robskis video is a torture test in the sense of actual likely stresses your semi auto rifle could face such as dropping the rifle on it's magazine on a hard surface, having your rifle ran over by vechile, dropping your rifle in the river or large body of water, having to fire a lot of ammo down range
Yes I often find myself tying my guns to golf carts and driving them on dirt roads like AK operators union or dumping several thousand rounds in one sitting as long as it's at a rate slower than an automatic rate of fire. You are jumping though hoops harder to defend the WASR harder than AKfags trying to dismiss Ian's AK mud test.
>>30243212
You can cry harder, WASRIDF, but there is nothing wrong with the Arsenal trigger. Please tell us how great the match grade WASR triggers are in comparison.
>>30243250
That WASR block is almost at the 2 o'clock position. What happened at QC?
>>30243284
WASR triggers don't fail to reset fagot.
>>30237619
FNC and Galil ACE
>>30243303
Yes and all Arsenals do according to salty WASRfags.
>>30243284
At least wasrs dont have canted trunions.
>>30243158
>Care to explain how a WASR trigger is superior to a Arsenal?
How new to AKs are you? The Arsenal FCG is literally just a milspec trigger. It's spongy and has a bit of grit. The TAPCO G2 FCG that comes with the WASR is smoother, has a more consistent break, and is all around better. This is seriously like asking why a Geissele FCG is better than a milspec. This isn't even up for debate, the G2 is better.
>>30243315
According to Robski who has other wise praised the arsenal has had 2 nd's due to his trigger not resetting as shown here.>>30242980
>>30243284
Learn how to make replies on 4chan.
>Yes I often find myself blah blah
So basically you're telling me that you're perfectly find with paying twice as much as the wasr fags are for the same issues, and some extra ones in recent years?
You can tell me how you barely use your guns and that shooting guns is a rare occurrence in your life, but as for the majority of gun owners, we want to make sure our rifles can at least handle 90 rounds before the finish starts flying off revealing tons of rust under it.
This discussion is over, you refuse to acknowledge the vast majority of my replies to you and each time you talk you address even fewer, all this proves to everyone here is that you can't address most of them, in the last one you seem to almost start to acknowledge that Arsenal is having a fall from grace in recent times, but you're too much of a child to admit that maybe Arsenal is fucking the consumer over.
Enjoy your 1200 dollar wasr tier rifle, I'll enjoy my molot rifle that I paid 550 for. ;)
>>30243328
>UR
Never handled them so I can't speak on their behalf. There you go comparing an entire company lineup to one shitty WASR.
>>30243331
>TAPCO being good at anything
Maybe you should stick to jerking off to undertale fan fiction, friend.
>>30243284
>>30243315
Canted gasblock on a arsenal.
>>30243372
Maybe you should boy.
>>30243372
>Be dumb tripfag
>Get btfo by everyone on common AK knowledge
>Keeps trip on so everyone will remember these convos
Well, now I know who to filter when I see these threads pop up.
![WP_20160331_004[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eShgBeX.jpg "WP_20160331_004[2].jpg")
>>30243372
Oh, you're trolling. I gotcha. ;^
>>30243372
TAPCO didn't design the trigger, they just produce it. How dumb are you?
>>30235128
I prefer free range AK-47, it maximizes blyat parameter.
>>30243372
WASR's also have a finish that does not melt with hoppes no9.
>>30243363
>Learn how to make replies on 4chan.
>So basically you're telling me that you're perfectly find with paying twice as much as the wasr fags are for the same issues, and some extra ones in recent years?
These are all issues I haven't experienced in two years of using them while having features I could not get on a WASR so I am content with my purchases.
>You can tell me how you barely use your guns and that shooting guns is a rare occurrence in your life
Yes because every time you use your guns you fire several thousand rounds in a couple of hours.
>we want to make sure our rifles can at least handle 90 rounds before the finish starts flying off revealing tons of rust under it.
But during your 8000 round range day your WASR gas block will shit itself forever.
>This discussion is over, you refuse to acknowledge the vast majority of my replies
I have yet to fail to rebut any of your poorly constructed arguments.
>I'll enjoy my molot rifle
You're awfully involved for someone whom allegedly does not own a WASR.
>>30243397
>>30243418
>Be you
>upset someone can reach the grapes
TAPCO isn't known for it's superior product
>>30243407
Great rebuttal
>>30243436
>not using CLP
How could hoppes melt a finish? So what is it now. Arsenal finishes will melt at first glance or when making contact with air?
>>30243454
>How does Hoppes melt finish?
>How is the G2 a better trigger
you're a fucking retard, you know that?
>>30243454
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229332
Chink aks are the best.
>>30243487
And you can't provide answers. That means the retard is you.
>>30243489
Thats actually pretty good to know. I never use hoppes so I never experienced this problem. That is shitty desu, but I have enough CLP to make it a non issue for myself at least.
>>30243517
>Doesn't like the smell of hoppes
Just more proof of you homosexuality.
>>30243525
I get free CLP and LSA at work. Why would I buy other solvents? Why would I care about the smell unless I wanted to huff it like paint?
>>30243331
>Tapco G2
>Smoother and more consistent
I'd think you were shilling for Tapco, but Tapco is too cheap to hire shills. The only good thing about the G2 trigger group is that it counts for compliance.
Enjoy your bolt carrier peening.
>>30243575
Enjoy your reset failure.
>>30243575
Put your trip back on
>all these retards in this thread not knowing basic AK knowledge
Did something happen while I was away the past few months?
>>30243596
Arsenal has been having QC problems due to having a military contract. And people believe that with these problems they are not WASR tier guns.
>>30243585
Not me, not everyone who disagrees with you is samefagging.
>>30243624
And this grandfathers in older Arsenals to their current production status.
>>30243575
>one of the most common upgrades to make to AKs
>been advised for all Arsenal owners to do since fucking forever because the trigger that comes stock is notorious for being garbage
>double-hook somehow isn't any better than single-hook for smoothness
Holy shit, this fucking thread.
>>30243250
I own both. The Zastava wins hands down in fit and finish.
The machining quality on the Zastava's internals is visibly better. I'd strip them both down for you to show you a comparison, but I can't be assed to rezero the Yugo's red dot.
Both have hammer forged barrels, by the way.
>>30243673
I work in a gun store, any difference between Zastava and WASR quality went out the window early last year. The past three times we have to send an AK back for obnoxious amounts of sight cant, they were N-PAPs. This is, again, not taking into account the heat-treating issues they've had.
>>30243665
>thinks that single hook vs double hook makes any difference on a semi-auto AK
The single hook triggers exist to make room for a rate reducer on automatics.
On semi-autos, there is no difference. If your receiver is cut for two-hook triggers and it makes you feel good, use a two-hook.
Personally, I replaced my N-PAP's Tapco G2 with an Arsenal single stage (Gasp! A "downgrade" to single hook!) and find the break to be crisp with a consistent 6lb pull, and no trigger slap. I had to grind the rear profile of the disconnector to make it clear the N-PAP's automatic-style safety, but that's only because the N-PAP uses an automatic safety, while Arsenals use semi safeties.
Tapco triggers are strictly Meh-tier. There's no reason to pick one unless you want the cheapest three compliance parts you can get your hands on.
>>30243758
>
The single hook triggers exist to make room for a rate reducer on automatics.
It's nice how you reveal you have no idea how the AK FCG works.
>>30243778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhpy7NNQgc
Take note of where the rate reducer is located and have a slice of humble pie.
![WP_20160219_005[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jO8ZAoX.jpg "WP_20160219_005[1].jpg")
>>30243575
Yeah, what the fuck do I know about comparing AK FCGs, I only have a G2, a Romanian, and a Bulgarian set in what I own, and it's totally not like the G2 shits on both of the milspecs handily. You win. :^
>Enjoy your bolt carrier peening.
Nah, but you tried. ;^
>>30243816
>I own a shitty tapco trigger, it must be good!
>>30243873
>I can't fucking read posts!
;^
>>30243816
Well, good for you. Your experiences may be different from mine, but I've always found Tapco triggers to be mediocre, and the recent buzz with Tapco's new hammer profile peening bolt carriers just gives all the more reason to avoid them anyway.
I personally like the Arsenal single stage trigger I put in my N-PAP - it works for me much better than the G2.
If you don't like Arsenal, then by all means, get an ALG trigger or whatever else. There's no shortage of better options on the market, but I can't fathom why anybody would prefer the G2, unless they're in the business of converting imported rifles for 922(r) compliance as cheaply as possible.
The tapco G2 trigger is shit, it's given myself and multiple others accidental double taps, and at Nuggetfest here recently one of mine fired two shots in full auto at the range. They have a ton of creep, if you actually pull the trigger slowly it is easy to feel the creep, but most people who have G2's just slap away on the trigger so they never notice. Put the safety on and pull on the G2 if you want to feel how much creep there is. It's too light and unpredictable to be of best use for home defense. It's only real use is for mag dumping as fast as you can pull the trigger, and I still wouldn't recommend it for that because of its erratic and unpredictable nature. Buck Yeager made a video about G2 triggers giving his students full auto strings in his classes but I didn't believe him until I saw it happen in front of my own eyes on my own gun.
I'm sorry if you fell for the G2 meme but fortunately there is still time to recover.
>>30237942
>If ISIS gets their hands on them
>if
>implying
Implying we aren't directly supplying ISIS in places like Syria.
Good job pleb.
If only you'd seen the shit I've gotten to.
>>30244159
That's some shitty luck dude, mine and my brother's have been just fine
>>30238001
All the cheap yet somehow quality AKs are in the mideast and Africa dude
They're over priced in the USA because bans and muh scarcity
>>30244159
Happened to myself a couple time as well. I ended up switching to alg akt on my arsenal recently and it feels much better fresh out the box than my polished to hell and back g2.
Tapco not even once.
>>30242828
I don't think people understand the actual cost and extra work for those sidefolders. If arsenal didn't have them I'd say they should cut a hundred or so bucks off their cost at the very least.
>>30235128
To clarify/summarize for all the fucktards who are not reading the article:
>USA wants weapons to give to Iraqis, Kurds, Afghanis etc.
>AR's and other NATO standard weapons make soldiers from these countries targets, theyre also difficult to maintain and supply due to logistics
>Want a relaible source of Kalishnakov weapons that benefit the American economy as opposed to a former eastern bloc nation.
>All this shit may not happen anyways since AK's are still fucking cheap to buy.
These are not going to be used by USSOCOM operators unless some kind of crazy mission requires it.
>>30237471
>FN building AK's
THE TIME HAS COME, AND SO HAVE I!!!
>>30242898
>compared to that space-age rattlecan paint job WASR rifles have?
WASRs don't have a fucking paint finish you moron, they are just parkerized
>>30238169
Fair enough. may you enjoy your horse urine, saiga and abundant ammo brother!
>>30237767
>The Kurds are getting AK pattern AKs built on American tooling.
Which will be utter garbage because American manufacturers can't fucking build AK's from scratch for shit.
>>30244735
pretty well established by this point he's a total retard.
>>30244753
The only company that has built an all US ak is Century and since its century yeah its shit, the DDI one seems like it will be good.
>>30244764
>>30244735
You poorfags are insufferable
>>30244802
i own an SLR107 you fucking tool, just because
you're getting your shit pushed in by everyone in here because you mouth off without knowing anything doesn't mean everyone except you can't afford a $900 rifle
>>30244848
>you're getting your shit pushed
Oh man I'm getting replies on 4chan from butthurt poor people with a persecution complex such as yourself. You better turn in that SLR for a WASR and some rent money.
>own an SLR-107FR
>see some special snowflake tripfag marching around in here acting all high and mighty because he owns one
I am disgusted that we share the same taste in rifles.
>>30244848
>>30244935
Post pics nerd
>>30244935
You better ditch that shit, WASRs are the new rage.
>>30244935
It was probably a lot of money for him. Meanwhile half of ARG has optics that are worth more than his entire rifle. It's cute when poorfags think they're not poorfags.
>>30244948
Only because I had it handy.
>>30244980
>Can't win argument
>resorts to ad hominem
Sweet
>>30237736
>If you can take ammo off your enemies
Not knowing about spiked ammunition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Bi3RPz_2E
>>30245005
I'm sorry you're so poor, tripfag.
>>30244980
More like you're butthurt you can't afford an SLR.
>>30245017
I'm sorry you can't win an argument, pleb.
>>30245018
Put your trip on, you have to be the only retard who actually thinks an Arsenal is expensive.
>>30245018
>likely this
>There are other people, not me however who own nicer things than him on /arg/
>>30244864
Were you able to finally afford an actual A1 profile lower for your abortion retro build or is it still rocking that pleb A2?
>>30245031
$1000 is more than a pretty basic AK should go for desu senpai
It's not expensive, but it's overpriced. I'd be all over Arsenals if they ran $750-800.
>mfw at group and we have warsaw pact weapons already
uhh yay for more
>>30245054
>>30244935 here
WASR is a damn fine rifle, and should be everyone's first salt rifle, even before an AR, if it still sold in the low-mid $500s. $600 is iffy, and anything above $700 is a deal breaker.
DDI is brettygud though, from what I heard.
>>30245053
>that poverty collection
Reminder that this tripfag was calling others poor
>>30245053
I don't have any M16 builds, pleb. My one AR is a carbine.
>>30245079
I don't think that is his entire collection, however it is pretty underwhelming desu.
![WP_20160604_003[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Qtyo6Tn.jpg "WP_20160604_003[1].jpg")
>>30245083
I was in the thread, senpaitachi. :^
https://desustorage.org/k/thread/28661191/#28662742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW51q5HXX6Y
>>30238669
fucking kek
>>30245108
Thats a different Satori, he was a CZ shill and I don't own one as of yet. You should check the tripcode next time.
>>30245127
>Thats a different Satori
Breh.
Don't be ashamed of your gats and pretend you don't own them. Be loud. Be proud. If you're going to trip, do it right. ;^
>>30245154
So you are saying I Changed my tripcode before posting on this thread anticipating you making fun of my M16A2 themed AR-15 and chiding me for not downgrading it into an M16A1. I never liked retro themed ARs. Never have, never will. I love all my guns, why would I attempt to hide owning an M16A2 build?
