How come the nazi's were so far ahead of their time?
http://yaooke.com/2016/06/10/nazi-super-science-top-15-crazy-and-influential-german-aircraft-and-prototypes/
>>30228096
Because they made first contact.
>>30228100
Yes, the jet engine, the first cruise missle and research into heavy water were so fucking racist. Facts don't stop being facts because you don't like them and the Wunderwaffen programs made some total shite, but also made some amazing weapons.
No wait, that's kind of close to a refutation of your point, so I'll just say:
Fuck off back to /r/hurtfeelings you revisionist shit.
Great minds+Facist government = brilliant country
Back then, the germans had a huge number of engineers, physicists etc for such a small nation, even after all the jewish heads had left the country for the US
Also germany knew that it was small, in combination with their pretty psychotic leadership this led to lots of research for "how can we get an edge over the allies?" without any limitations. Thats why they had so much advanced stuff - at least on paper or prototypes.
They honestly weren't. They just dumped a ton of resources into preparing modernized equipment for war. That gave them an advantage.
Because they had a strong eugenics program only allowing fit and smart people to breed.
Nazi-officials had the highest IQ's.
They had scientists like Albert Speer and Werner von Braun.
The German government basically threw money at all scientists who could produce some sort of weaponry that could be beneficial. But they did leave industry and market on it's own to a degree to produce the necessary capital, so they didn't have a plan economy like the SU and that's why they thrived. It was heaven for unethical scientists desu but shit for anyone with an independent thought
>>30228154
>Messerschmidt's are racist
>STG44 is anti semetic
>V2 rockets are literal holocaust
>>30228096
Because why fully fund one super weapon when you can underfund and under supply a dozen super weapons.
In truth, they did have some cool designs, but they were just that, designs. And every goddamn time I see "the sekrit not-see tek", I laugh. When the war was coming to a close, Hitler went looking for a war winner, or something to get everyone to back off. (See: V-1, V-2, V-3) He did this by asking military commanders what they wanted, ignoring those recommendations, and funding what he thought was the answer to his biggest problem. His biggest problem was lack of materials, and rather than secure his supply lines, he moved to his perceived biggest problem, the bombers flying overhead.
This resulted in a large number of aircraft designs incorporating 1940's science at a time when the B-17 was outdated the moment it rolled off the assembly line.
Against the B-29, which wouldn't be ready until the war in the Pacific was closing, even the vaunted Arado would have been outmatched.
>>30228183
Explain how maxi fighter jets belong there.
>>30228096
They were desperate.
If you were an allied scientist and said you had this wonder weapon that would win the war in a month they'd tell you to shut the fuck up and get on with streamlining production.
That or chuck you a few quid and give you a field in Dorset then leave you to it whilst they got on with winning.
I'd contend the phrase 'were so far ahead of their time' anyway since 'back of a napkin' prototypes don't count and there were plenty of areas in which they were behind (intelligence comes to mind).
>>30228119
Everything that dipshit said aside
>Research into heavy water
Yeah, their nuclear program really took off, it definitely wasn't an underfunded, dismissed, split up effort that was never going to go anywhere.
>>30228172
>preparing modernized equipment for war
Didn't turn out too well across the board....
>>30228176
6/10 since people will take this seriously....
Germany was one of the great scientific powers of the late 19th and early 20th century.
The Germans published papers on swept wings in the 1930s. Everyone in ww2 could have had swept wing fighters if they had paid attention.
>>30228291
I'm pretty sure (I might be wrong) that swept wings wouldn't do a lot for Prop aircraft.....
Not to mention that swept wings were a thing well before the 1930', its a moot point anway.
>>30228096
Jet engines were developed simultaneously and independently in both Germany and the U.K. Germans went for axial flow turbojets, the U.K. developed centrifugal flow turbo jets.
Rocketry was pioneered by Robert Goddard. VonBraun took most of his idea from him. The difference was that the German government knew they were badly outnumbered and needed a technological edge while the U.S. government didn't really put much effort into guided missiles until after WWII because they had an overwhelming superiority in conventional weapons.
The U.S. didn't have a working jet engine until after the war. The one jet fighter the developed with a British jet engine was slower than a P51. But the U.S. developed nukes, so it balances out.
The US had radio controlled drones for Ariel target practice, but never thought to arm them.
All the combatants had technological advantages and disadvantages.
>>30228176
The Nazis adapted Margert Sanger's (an American) eugenics ideas. Sanger used birth control and sterilization programs to keep undesirable populations in check. Her sterilization programs were still quietly in effect until the late 1970's in most of the U.S. and her crowning achievement, Planned Parenthood, continues to operate with government funding to this day in the U. S. while being championed by those who claim to be disgusted by Nazism.
>the nazis failed at eugenics while hitler's hero of eugenics, margaret sanger, succeeded spectacularly for decades after the fall of the third reich
>>30228187
>>V2 rockets are literal holocaust
To be fair didn't they kill more Jew / 'Undesirable' slave workers building them than actual targets?
>>30228396
The V1 and V2 programs killed thousands of civilians in England.
The V1 accounted for about 7250 civilian deaths. Very effective as a terror weapon, sort of useless as a proper military weapon and was really a huge waste of desperately needed resources.
>>30228435
Meant V1 and V2 combined
>>30228096
they were great in losin ww2
>>30228435
V2 really were a bad idea.
They used up a considerable stock of Germany's dwindling fuel (around a third if I remember rightly).
They buried themselves in the ground before exploding, reducing their effectiveness.
Many were without explosive warheads due to shortages.
Many missed their targets, even when they weren't being misdirected by British intelligence.
More people died in its manufacture than it killed as a weapon.
They only launced around 3,200 of them (around about 3,200 tons); considerably less than the RAF were dropping in 24 hour periods during certain operations.
And to cap it all each rocket required about 30 tons of potatoes to distill into fuel alcohol, which given the food shortage at the time, kind of sucked.
It was a great weapon if it had been given 10 extra years of development.
>>30228396
>>30228501
didnt we get to the moon on the technology pioneered by the V2 program?
>>30228130
>voting for Hillary over Trump
So you want your guns taken away? She's literally outright said multiple times that she'll do it.
>voting outside of the two-party
Why throw away your vote?
>>30228096
They weren't really. They made advances in select areas like rocketry and high-speed flight, but for the most part, the only thing that made their high-tech equipment stand out was the fact that Germany was throwing money at all manner of superweapons.
Even then, a lot of what they did wasn't all that impressive in terms of technology used, more being significant in that they were "firsts." The V2's the only thing that really stands out.
Plus, I'd wager a lot of their work is paralleled by various companies with the Allies. Part of the reason we see all these "advanced" proposals is because we literally overran the country and got into all their archives, so we ended up publicizing a lot of work that would normally never leave the design offices for security reasons.
>>30228532
Yes. They were right on the edge of some huge evolutionary leaps like Fritz X and guided AA missiles but forgot the important basics like 'Secure oilfields' and 'Don't piss off the entire developed world'
The Luftwaffe was a mistake.
>>30228176
Nothing to do with this, the Nazi's had a different ideology which promoted expressing new ideas, especially in the science/engineering department.
>>30228313
The US had two jet fighters before the end of WWII, the P-80 and the FH phantom. They developed axial flow turbojets independent of British or German research.
>what could have been
>>30228695
It's bait lad.
>>30228246
They actually were making enough progress that the Brits sent a spec ops team to sabotage the project.
Granted, it was a heavy water method so they were WAY behind the Manhattan Project.
>>30228704
Also the P-59 which was the one he was referring to that had inferior performance compared to the P-51.
>>30228501
It did scare the crap out of people. There simply wasn't a good means of intercepting V2 rockets.
>>30228794
Doesn't matter. Deployed too late that intimidating the Brits into surrender / neutrality wasn't even a possibility.
I just laugh every time someone acts like these designs were actually viable or a show of "German superiority". Are people going to look back at Cold War designs that never left paper/ models and act like they were super advanced? Are people going to look at some bullshit Soviet rocket that no madman would consider building and say "If the USSR was still around, we would have landed on Uranus by now".
Even worse it when people say these idiotic designs were "copied". A prime example being the Horten Ho-229 which some claim was copied into the B-2... even though the B-2 was based on Jack Northrop's work with flying wings that was done entirely separate (And lasted much longer) from the Horten Bros.
>>30228532
Von Braun, the guy who designed the Saturn V, was the nazi that made the V2 rockets.
Really, Von Braun just wanted to shoot rockets into space. He could care less who he was working for.
>>30228741
Well at first I thought this thread could get back on track.
My faith in humanity has been dashed once again.
>>30228832
The big three was:
Von Braun: leader of rockets
Something Rudolph: guy who made rocket fuels or injection systems or something
Something Zimmer(man?): a dude who had this neato idea that you could put a radio or phone transceiver.... IN SPESSSSS
>>30228832
>paperclip
wewlad
>>30228096
Sheer desperation that comes from getting gangbanged by the rest of the developed world on multiple fronts.
Also, the vast majority of the "supar sekret Nazi tech" like your pic never made it past the blueprint stage because not only was Germany wasting money and resources on projects that would take years to fully develop even in peacetime conditions, but was spreading it out to every proposed wunderwaffe whether they were practical or flat out retarded like >>30228605
>>30228756
Not him but they're all conmen, dude.
Some are just more subtle than others.
>>30228877
why is it when you back an opposing force into a corner, they come up with all kinds of retarded shit on their own.
like the rebel shitskins who nigriged themselves a recoiless rifle made from pipes
>>30228928
Panic. Everyone thinking they have an answer to an unsolvable problem.
In the case of WW2 Germany it was designers either trying to find some miracle to turn the tide of the war or trying to do some kind of work that would set them up for the future when they surrendered/fled. At heart, a lot of designers feel more for their work than for whatever nation is sponsoring them.
>>30228817
>Are people going to look back at Cold War designs that never left paper/ models and act like they were super advanced?
CoughcoughAvroArrow
>>30228605
Tbf if I saw this it might actually make me hesitate in sheer confusion
>>30228605
This is really not as weird as it looks. Just a rocket powered vertical helicopter. An Osprey is just as weird
>>30228832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JmDNpjKYc
>>30228096
>How come
Easy:
1 - Pay for research and development.
2 - Get results.
Works every time.
The US discovered this with the Manhattan Project and the space race. As I said, works every time.
>>30229679
>Works every time.
Nope. That's not how economics works.
It will contribute to massive deficits. It might give some results in a short time, but it will be a disastrous on long term, because it is an unnatural movement of economic goods and services through forced statism.
>>30228435
>sort of useless as a proper military weapon
That was in part because the British undertook some pretty cold blooded counter intel tactics.
Long story short: Germans did hit what they wanted initially. Then the British broadcasted redacted news about the attacks that the Western end of London was worst hit. The Germans listened in on the news, much as expected, and adjusted their aim a bit further east, again as expected.
So basically the British sacrificed London East end to avoid the important part being damaged.
>>30229709
>In depth analysis with citation of peer reviewed articles.
Nowhere did I state it had to be a state that paid for R and D. You are extrapolating here.
Of course some will find it more cost effective to avoid spending on R and D and the nuclear bomb and rather slog it through each and every Japanese home islands.
Altavista was happy with their position. Then Google happened and now few can remember Altavista.
And why use internal combustion when we had steam or even better: use sail. No deficit then, right. And no unnatural bowel movements either.
>>30229762
Some really shitty choices had to be made with the Ultra data. Sending convoys as basically uboat bait would keep me awake for a very long time.
>>30229947
>choices had to be made with the Ultra data
The excessive secrecy mentality of WWII lived on in Kuwait, the Balkans and probably other places not yet published: everything is so secret we cannot act on it in case the enemy discovers we see what he does. Even to the end of the wars. And then, because everyone realises it was way too stupid everything is made secret.
Just look up "Elephant blanket" of the Balkans wars.
A lot of secrets are in reality about covering up stupid choices, horrific neglects and countless people dying for absolutely no good reasons.
These mistakes are in the West often combined with the traditional Western tradition of considering the enemy to be stupid. Case in point: the nazis. They were evil. They were insane. But tragically they were not stupid. There is a line about the insane having list everything but their intelligence and there is a lot of truth to this.
And it continues to cost lives.
>>30228532
No, we took people to the moon using technology built upon the V2 which itself was built upon technology before it.
>>30228794
It scared the crap of people in and around London. That's about it.
And by that point, who cares whether Londoners are scared? Everyone of them could be pissing and shitting with fear and it would have zero effect on Germany's fortunes during the war.
If anything it would have earmarked them for even MORE bombing (if that was possible).
>>30228832
>>30228860
>>30229425
Absolutely no one mentioning Robert Goddard.
This is why everyone thinks the Germans were so advanced, they're clueless about non-German involvement.
>>30228096
do or die?
>>30228717
Except it wasn't possible considering that Nazi Germany didn't discover caches of advanced Jewish technology.
>>30229762
That's not entirely true, they didn't 'sacrifice the London East end'.
They leaked false intelligence to the Germans giving the impressions that rockets were over-shooting by 20ish miles, so the Germans shifted their aim. That way most of the V-2 landed in less heavily populated areas of Kent.
To round it off the British then leaked further intelligence claiming that London was suffering heavy casualties.
German intelligence was a joke,
>>30230150
Should have shifted the rest of the rockets to land on the Irish
>>30228119
>the jet engine
Sir Frank Whittle, an Englishman, invented the jet engine.
>heavy water
The Germans weren't even close to developing a nuclear device.
>>30228176
Yes, which is why their logistics were such fucking garbage.
>>30230205
Hey, they only allowed the purest Aryan horses to pull their wagons instead of degenerate trucks
>>30228096
Most of them were pretty shit, actually.
>muh jets
Brits had jets too, around the same time as well, they've just didn't used them because they've had range to limited for offensive actions.
>>30230150
>they didn't 'sacrifice the London East end
It is quite a distance from the target area of London to Kent. And Kent would be a stupid place to shift the bombardment since it was closer to German resources. Shifting northwards would have been more humane.
Human lives were worth a whole lot less back in those days. Gen. Haig elevated human sacrifices to an art.
>German intelligence was a joke
Again the underestimation. Again forgetting "Englandspiel".
>>30230220
kek
>>30230033
>They were evil. They were insane.
?
They were simply a nationalist & pro white organizations in a time where globalism/marxism was the dominant cult
And the Nazi's talked about such things, they called it the Big Lie.
Everything that anyone conservative or right wing complains about has its roots in the communist victory of WW2.
>>30230288
>Kent would be a stupid place to shift the bombardment
Not really, it wasn't central London, its what they did, you couldn't shift it too much otherwise the Germans may have become suspicious.
>Again the underestimation
Are you saying I've underplayed how shit German intelligence was or I've overplayed how shit it was? I hope its the former not the latter, every German agent sent to Britain was turned, they were absolutely fucking useless.
>>30228794
>fly next to v2
>tip it over with your wing
>profit
Also, wasn't there a single dogfight battle where a german jet fighter and Allied jet fighter took place? I vaguely recall that and instead of googling it right away it sounds fun to talk about.
Kind like the ironclads of the Civil War. Shit was cash.
>>30231415
Never happened during the second world war. The brits did use jets however to gun down V1 rockets
>>30231415
>v2
>v1
>v-fuckyourself
>>30231428
>The brits did use jets however to gun down V1 rockets
[citation needed]
>>30228176
>Goering had a higher IQ than Albert Speer
No way this is accurate.
>>30231428
I must have seen it on one of those super retarded "WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED" ww2 "documentaries" on the history channel.
I hate those kind of shows so much. Like... history isn't boring you assholes. You don't have to make shit up.
going on a mighty wikipedia trip, I stumbled across "Parasite Fighters".
Awesome.
"Hey guys let's make the most adorable plane possible"
>>30231495
fuck you assholes I love this thing.
Just imagine MASSIVE airship carriers that carry a dozen of these little guys.
>>30230560
>They were simply a nationalist & pro white organizations in a time where globalism/marxism was the dominant cult
It was a bit more than "simply nationalist". I do however agree that it was a different time when eugenics and antisemitism was quite acceptable and lower classes were fit for the meat grinders of war and industry. The mind set was very different, nearly alien to young people of our times.
It was once pointed out dryly that the Germans wanted to colonize like other European countries did but their mistake was to colonize Europe. Colonies were slaughterhouses even worse than the war and industries.
Thankfully we have advanced somewhat since then. I hope.
>And the Nazi's talked about such things, they called it the Big Lie.
They were skilled in propaganda and rhetoric, making them even more dangerous. Triumpf des Willens is considered the most dangerous propaganda movie of all time.
>Everything that anyone conservative or right wing complains about has its roots in the communist victory of WW2.
Roots can go a long, long time back.
>>30228704
And they were shit. Really shit. Shit doesn't begin begin to describe how shit they were.
>>30228704
The P80 had a centrifugal compressor my nigga
>>30231547
I humbly request the name of that game.
>>30231633
I haven't seen this in ages but it works amazingly well for this situation.
>>30231557
don't even bother debating with Stormfront, they put up a Nazi super-science thread every week.
Would anyone like to see some Yankee super science?
>>30230632
>Not really, it wasn't central London, its what they did
I know that. The issue is rather where they shifted it to. It was debated. I was not aware it was settled.
>underplayed
I submit you underestimate, at least parts, of the German intelligence agencies. I already gave you the name, "Englandspiel", plese look it up.
>every German agent sent to Britain was turned
That is the official line. On the Channel Islands history was sufficiently murky that someone had to steal the entire archive.
Strange really to maintain *every* German spy was caught and turned yet at the same time ugly rumours were spread regarding alleged German - Irish cooperations. Older people in the UK told me that they were spies. It can be hard to discern 70 years later what were mistakes, what was propaganda and what was plain prejudice.
>>30231818
>Would anyone like to see some Yankee super science?
When I want, I go to YouTube to see videos from the space race. Seeing a Saturn V rise on a pillar of fire will always impress me. Moreso when I heard the stories from a lecturer I had who was working on the space race.
>>30231653
My request stands.
>>30231466
I miss the old history channel
>>30231440
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor
>>30231950
People always underestimate the shit that WW2 US had.
> Muh ronsons
> won through numbers
> Saturn V is literally a V2
etc.
Pic related is the fruits of Project Cadillac
A centimetric radar was mounted to the bottom of a TBM-3 Avenger. The radar display PPI was filmed by a television camera, then sent via radio back to the carrier, so the CIC in the carrier could see exactly what the AEW plane saw.
During testing, the effective range of the radar was proven to be in excess of 100 nm. Pic related has two blips in the lower-right hand side. For scale, the fuzzy green patch around the display is ground returns from Cape Cod.
>>30231567
>citation needed
>>30231580
I just used that as an example of an operational jet fighter. The FH used an axial turbojet. Interestingly the British had a very powerful axial flow turbojet that they fitted to the meteor. It was more powerful than the Derwents that went on to power the operational fighter and also more powerful than the Jumo 004s or BMW 003s that the Germans used in their fighters, but the technology wasn't considered mature enough and so they stuck with the centrifugal compressors. Behold a Meteor F.1 with the Metropolitan Vickers F2-40.
>>30229947
Fuck the Imitation Game and their 'dont call the convoy!!' self congratulating masturbatory bullshit.
>>30228176
>guaranteed replies
>>30231935
>Look up Englandspiel
I'm aware of it already, it's a blip compared to incompetence of German intelligence. An enemy nation cracked their highest security code and for the entire duration of the war used it to their advantage whilst fooling the Germans into believing it was still secure.
It was pathetic.
As for rumours from old people, you might as well just say you heard it from a cousins friends Mums husband once at the pub. The files aren't secret anymore, every German spy sent to Britain was turned, the Channel Island case is pretty much irrelevant given how unimportant they ended up being and that they were occupied by the sodding Germans. It's hardly an achievement having spies in an area you have full control over
>>30228877
>retarded
You bitch don't talk shit about my Triebflugel-chan!
>>30231957
Starcraft nigga.
>>30231557
>It was once pointed out dryly that the Germans wanted to colonize like other European countries did but their mistake was to colonize Europe. Colonies were slaughterhouses even worse than the war and industries.
I don't know what you're talking about, are you referring to made up accusations after the war by the Allies, primarily designed to cover up for soviet crimes and legitimize a pointless war that ruined the west?
>Thankfully we have advanced somewhat since then. I hope.
Nowadays we let foreigners colonize us, and turn a blind eye to the oppression, rape, murder, robbery, etc of our own kind.
We call it Progress
>They were skilled in propaganda and rhetoric, making them even more dangerous.
lol
It was the allies who more than anyone else did propaganda, made worse because they didn't call it propaganda, and the people didn't recognize it as propaganda, now we call it fact and if you disagree you are a nazi antisemite.
>>30232643
Just a quick heads up, you're posting on /k/ still, not your far right internet hugbox
>>30231633
>starcraft_large-217.jpg
>>30232711
> /pol/ is a hugbox
visit /pol/ for 10 minutes please and tell me it's a hugbox
>>30231449
Goering was actually competent, he didn't accidentally down 21 planes and find his Blue Max just laying around. His decision to focus the Luftwaffe primarily on tactical missions is only a poor choice thanks to the clarity of vision afforded by hindsight. Sure, the literal decades of hard drugs may have taken a toll, but Albert "I'm Sorry" Speer was the definition of a sycophant who sucked-up to get his position .
>>30232643
So you are saying the nazis did NOT annex territories around them? They did NOT take swathes of land in Africa and Poland and invade the USSR?
They DIDNT start anything? Dindu nuffin?
What exactly is your definition of Imperialism?
>>30232991
What does shooting down planes (probably faked, knowing his self aggrandizing) have to do with him not being a sycophant? Speer was actually competent and managed to stretch out the war when Germany was being bombed to the stone age (no thanks to Goering).
>>30230115
I meant captured Germans. I personally think that they were horribly overdone in terms of awesomeness and science. They did ok, but approving every fucking idea on a napkin is a bad policy
>>30228176
>Alfred Rosenberg
How did a Jew become one of the top Nazi thinkers?
>>30232643
>Nazi apologists, the white version of dindus.
Right up there with 'The Branch Davidians wuz good boyz who dindunuffin' wrong'
>>30228096
Americans had literal fire control COMPUTERS in their naval craft. The Americans actually MADE the atom bomb.
The British had Radar and just held down and shat on the "Intelligence" community of the Nazis. If the Nazis were so LE EPICLY SMART 11!1!11 how were the British able to turn EVERY SINGLE AGENT the Nazis sent to Britain. Not to mention that the Polish along with British Ultra led up by Turing cracked the "uncrackable" German Enigma devices, both land and naval varieties. If the Germans were so smart, why didn't they invent a better encryption device than Enigma?
Oh wow! They drew some pretty pictures of jet aircraft and spent the cost of a bomber on each V-2! Genius!
Really helped them when the Soviets were raping their women and all that knowledge really helped their allies the Japanese when they were getting introduced to the atomic age.
>>30233306
He wasn't a Jew. Sort of a Jewish sounding last name, but he wasn't Jewish at all.
>>30233235
>They did NOT take swathes of land in Africa
Thats italy....
Are you unaware that ALL of africa was split between western colonial powers at this time?
>and Poland
There was like a million germans in Polish territories, and Poland was trying to start shit with Germany too
They ignored YEARS of hitler attempting to secure an alliance, acted belligerently, eventually they started mobilizing their army which triggered the invasion.
>and invade the USSR?
The USSR was always the enemy, Germany was far closer to the evils & crimes of the USSR, who were prepping to invade Germany eventually.
Ain't it funny how the allies completely ignore the invasions and conquests of Stalin, going so far as to ally with him & cover up for his crimes, then hand half of europe to him.
But Hitlers the bad guy for annexing historically German lands populated by Germans.
I don't know how anyone can see the state of this modern world and view the allies as being in the right.
I want Jerry-cunts to GTFO
>>30234073
TFW when you shoot down 120% of the Luftwaffe's strength in a year, so the average age of a plane+pilot is about 5 months.
>>30228172
>They honestly weren't. They just dumped a ton of resources into preparing modernized equipment for war. That gave them an advantage.
No the US and britain were fulling mechanized and lend lease basicly made the USSR fully on wheels.
Meanwhile they were fucking around with king tigers and they still had a sizable portion of their infantry divisions with horse powered artillery.
>>30229425
>born in 1928 to a Jewish family
>>30233241
"He finished the war with 22 victories.[13] A thorough post-war examination of Allied loss records showed that only two of his claimed victories were doubtful. Three were possible and 17 were certain, or highly likely.[14]'
At least pretend to know you're talking about. And spare me with Albert "yes mister hitler, we can build a marble superdome on a marsh" Speer.
>>30228176
hey bud have a (you), this one's on the house
>>30233374
>how were the British able to turn
>EVERY SINGLE AGENT the Nazis
>sent to Britain
answer: British B-girls (pub hoes)
working with Mil-intel
>>30233859
>mobilizing their army which triggered the invasion
u wot m8.
The invasion of Poland was triggered in a response to the supposed persecution of ethnic Germans, not because the Poles mobilized their army.
The Polish mobilizing was a response itself to the German belligerence, as the Germans had just pulled similar shit the previous year in Czechoslovakia and the Poles weren't too keen on being annexed.
>>30232400
>As for rumours from old people, you might as well just say you heard it from a cousins friends Mums husband once at the pub.
Yes I could. And my point would still stand. You have misunderstood everything, the point was that this was the common opinion of its time. And there are still echoes of those old accusations going.
>The files aren't secret anymore, every German spy sent to Britain was turned,
I have always wondered how they could know it was "every" with no exceptions. It is not as if anyone would talk about failures.
>the Channel Island case is pretty much irrelevant given how unimportant they ended up being and that they were occupied by the sodding Germans. It's hardly an achievement having spies in an area you have full control over
Nevertheless someone felt a need to remove the entire archive.
>>30232643
>I don't know what you're talking about
I am beginning to realise that. I recommend reading up on history, and more than WWII history. The roots go a whole lot longer back than that.
>Nowadays we let foreigners colonize us
A good example. Please read up on Roman history.
>It was the allies who more than anyone else did propaganda,
I knew that. My point is that the Germans also did it and they were good at it.
>made worse because they didn't call it propaganda,
Rule number one of propaganda, don't call it propaganda.
>and the people didn't recognize it as propaganda
One of the hallmarks of successful propaganda. We do not have to like it but it is there and it works.
>>30232991
>Goering was actually competent
Competence, skill and intelligence were never the problems. An utter lack of compassion and empathy were the problems. Same with Enron: extremely competent people, and they caused enormous financial and personal damage to people who saw their retirement funds evaporate.
>>30232448
Your planefu a shit
A SHIIIIIIT
>>30228605
>>30229067
>>30229314
tip jet helicopters exist and work, but goddamn are they retarded
also, the US had quite a few postwar retard-experiements that went nowhere that are far more interesting as they actually flew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiller_YH-32_Hornet
>small ramjet on tip of blade for propulsion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_XH-17
>134 foot diameter hollow rotor, jet engines force air through small nozzles in the tips, 88rpm at max thrust and lifts 50k pounds
>>30231428
>>30231466
they did tip V1's with spitfires
>>30228176
>Hermann Goring with high 130's IQ.
>>30233859
>implying the Italians would have done Jack shit if the Germans weren't supplying them with manpower, financial, and material support
I'm not saying Stalins crimes should be covered up. He was a terrible despot, but allies of convenience exist.
The nazis started the war. They were the aggressors. It was based on dreams of expansion in Europe, including annexation. Their attacks were largely genocidal. Even Dresden wasn't done with some purpose of eradicating the Germans entire civilization.
We defeated the Germans, protected the west half from the USSR, and now they are one of the worlds top economies. They have a position of strength in the EU, one of the strongest banking blocks in the world. They remain an industrial leader, largely from the West half (rich half).
We helped rebuild Germany after its fall and helped make them one of the best nations in the world to live in with regards to healthcare and financial security (up until the 2008 crash). The same would NOT have been true for any victim of German aggression. In fact, European nations like Italy, not a super nice nation but a fairly robust one, tops the Russians in GDP. The if you count EU as a nation it's like the second richest in the world, even surpassing the USA depending on year and how it is counted. The EU continues to be a scientific leader and financial heavyweight. That's a pretty awesome feat for a conglomerate of small nations, who by themselves were still wealthy and major science contributors. They will continue to be so.
FFS we rebuilt the Japs too. There were no death camps to rid the world of japs. We rebuilt their society, and they returned as a world leader in science and technology and industry quickly. Spy he japs did NOT treat their conquests so nicely.
How you treat the most vulnerable people determines if you are a "good guy" or "bad guy". And we were definitely the good guys for rebuilding and protecting our conquests rather than eradicating them or enslaving.
>>30228096
Not really. The Nazis had a lot of cool fancy stuff but didn't invest in the stuff that actually wins wars.
>>30238611
They usually never actually touched the wings, as that would be a fuckstupid thing to do, but mostly just very carefully distrupted the airflow of the surface and tipped them.
Think of how much concentration that would require...
