i want to acquire an M16A1 clone, however it would be my first AR, what do? build or buy?
>>30217769
If you don't want to wait to shoot something, buy an alright rifle length AR and order replacement parts to turn it into the clone. Good luck finding a clone though. Holy shitfuck
>>30217822
I was thinking that but then I would most likely have an A2 rifle with some hand guards, I've been checking gun broker lately for parts kits and there have only been like 2-3 up
I want an A2 clone with the A1 handguard. Does anyone sell the A1 furniture on its own?
>>30217769
We had this thread with the A2 variant yesterday
tl;dr was OP is a faggot build it yourself
>>30217833
idk mang. I really don't know why you want a dedicated, unchangeble sight system, short of bolting on some shit on top of your carry handle. you could just as easily have the same sights with a rail and just dig around for the furniture so you can eventually have the feel of the old cunt.
You do you though. It is not my rifle to buy or build. Do what the /k/ube has told your heart to do.
>>30217887
because i really want an A1 clone, i have a lower that I'm going to build an A2 with
>>30217900
Have fun.
You gonna do regular parts too or have the guts be super neato high quality shit?
>>30217769
It's pretty easy to build your own "A1-ish" rifle. If you want a correct A1, regardless of the variant you choose, it can be done but it ain't cheap.
>>30217769
Build m8.
Brownells did a run of A1 stuff a while back. And it really isn't too hard to find surplus uppers and stuff.
You'll get close enough.
>>30217863
Numrich has surplus and you can look on ebay and find some sets there. Fulton Armory has new A1 stocks.
I'm building a C7 clone right now with A1 furniture. That might be blasphemy, I don't really know.
Ordered everything for it, just waiting at this point. Unfortunately my Fostech Echo won't ship until October so it might take a while.
![WP_20160604_016[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EDizyZz.jpg "WP_20160604_016[1].jpg")
>build or buy
If you genuinely want an A1 clone, you're only option is to build. No, that Fulton Armory "Legacy" rifle doesn't count for a dozen reasons.
>>30217863
The old Colt Sporter line had a model which was close to the A2 (minor changes, such as a sear block, so no full-auto conversion, and no bayonet lug), if you put A1 handguards on that, you'd be pretty close.
HBAR variants might have a lead weight in the stock and handguards (for "balance"), those can be removed I think. You could probably put a regular front-sight post if you want the bayonet lug.
>>30220824
>No lug.
Mine has one.
>>30217785
L-lewd!!!
>>30217863
I think maybe Nodak Spud might make A1 handguard sets, but other makers might as well.
Also you sometimes find original ones.
You could try an airsoft set, but I wouldn't expect it to hold up very well.
![WP_20160525_004[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gGcbhEf.jpg "WP_20160525_004[1].jpg")
>>30220918
NDS makes A1 uppers and lowers, along with runs of properly colored components like charging handles, trigger guards, and mag release buttons. There is no shortage of surplus A1 furniture on the 'net.
>>30220931
How much do you have in your build, not including the 3x or bayo?
>>30221017
I wanna say about $1k, but that was after a second A1 upper and the cost of refinishing.
>>30220931
i wish nodak would update their website to something more modern.
>>30220931
is that a authentic colt 3x? How are the repros? Shitty chinese junk?
>>30217947
probably going to do regular parts but have the gucciest barrel possible
>>30218458
cost isn't particularly a concern for me but im not willing to spend 20k on an original
>>30218549
isn't the brownells A1 stuff anodized black instead of grey? kinda wondering how it would look
>>30220581
sweet, i saved both of those links to look at
>>30220636
where did you get your receivers?
>>30220691
looks like I'm going to build, that FAR shit pisses me off
>>30221074
why a second upper? where did you get yours refinished and how much was it
>>30220931
also where the fuck can i find new production A1 sights because i can't find them anywhere sans a parts kit which i may or may not be able to get depending on the availability of them
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>>30221236
I think the more pressing wish is that they didn't take so fucking long to get orders out.
>>30221256
It's authentic, and the repros are dogshit compared to it. You can get them for $300-$400 on Jewbay and GB.
>>30221434
>isn't the brownells A1 stuff anodized black instead of grey? kinda wondering how it would look
Yes, and it looks like shit, which is why you send it over the John Norrell to get refinished in Grayish-Black Flat. Just make sure the hacks at Brownells didn't send you an incomplete part, first.
>why a second upper?
Initial one was badly pitted, being a refinished surplus Colt from the 70s that APEX sold for $99 a couple years back.
>where did you get yours refinished
See above.
>and how much was it
$80 after S&H.
>>30221443
DPMS and Olympic Arms offered new fab'd A1 rearsight kits, but for some reason they ceased making them. Ebay has some, but they're about $60. I've heard that this model train store is trustworthy in their $35 sight kits.
https://www.amherst-depot.com/Gunparts.AR15.htm
>>30221469
i live close to brownells biggest distribution center so i can actually just drive there if they fuck my shit up, but how could the part be incomplete? thanks ill look him up and probably do that, danke schon mein neger
>>30221508
>https://www.amherst-depot.com/Gunparts.AR15.htm
the link isn't working but i hadn't checked eBay before, ill try that when I'm ordering my parts
![WP_20160524_011[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ftKudYO.jpg "WP_20160524_011[1].jpg")
>>30221511
>but how could the part be incomplete
Ask the retards who managed to send me mine in this condition.
>>30221529
wut, how is that even possible? thanks for the tip though, i might just drive there with my parts list and pick it right up from there center to avoid any of these issues
>>30221555
They still won't put up my user review on the product page. Tell them I said to go fuck themselves and that I'll never, ever buy anything from them again.
>>30221587
Will do lol those fucking cunts
>>30220824
Theoretically where would one notice a sear block?
>>30221434
The lower is an Anderson AM-15 and the upper is from MSD (DPMS I think?)
>>30221508
Can confirm that Amherst is legit. Got my a1 sight assembly from yhem
>>30221529
Wew, don't these guys supply for the us military?
Also fuck you, the black finish looks slick as hell
>>30221671
Inside the receiver, it's right there in the lower, stopping you from putting in an auto-sear, or lightning-link (not that a lightning-link would work if you just removed the sear block, it's not to SP-1 spec), you can get it removed by a gunsmith if you really want to, I think it's worth doing for some after market parts which wont work otherwise, but it doesn't really have an impact onto how the gun works regularly.
Hell, nothing stops you from say, putting a Slide Fire stock onto a Colt Sporter and having pretend full-auto fun, the sear block doesn't do anything to stop you on that part (bump stocks weren't a thing back then, but it's not like you can prevent them from working on a semi-auto).
build
>>30222561
build.
>>30222573
build..
>>30222573
>that rust
>>30221671
>>30222509
To fill in, most AR-15 rifles do not have this sear block, and removing it is legal.
Any sources for high quality new production a1 or car15 profile barrels?
Colt is supposedly Reproducing the original 'nam AR-15s... i'm sure you could get one of them. probably works better than the actual originals.
>>30223219
>probably works better than the actual originals
There's nothing mechanically wrong with the rifles they're replicating you memespewing fuckwad.
>>30223219
They are limited runs tho, I might just have to go down that route if nothing is available
>>30222573
Did u pull that out of the bottom of a river?
>>30223453
There sure was. Original A1 handguards were bakelite and tended to crack. The repros will probably be poly. Other than that, they'll still have the A2-era jam clearer/bolt close AKA no smooth reciever.
>>30225660
>A2-era jam clearer/bolt close
>jam clearer/bolt close
...they had forward assists prior to the A2.
>>30217769
Just wait until a major US distributor locates some more from a Nat'l Guard depot renovation, or the joos decide to sell us back our gifted M16's they chopped down for IDF.
They can be had for cheap ~$499 with aftermarket barrel already populated.
build yourself, im not aware of anyone selling fully built uppers currently anyway, so unless you buy private party its your ownly choice
>>30217769
Here's what I did
>buy a lower
>part out the upper, get the actual upper receiver first as they sometimes sell out and you're SOL until there's more
>get lower parts kit and buffer assembly, an A2 Screw is too long, get A1 length.
>order an m16a1 furniture set from nunrich.
My build came out to $600-700
>>30225806
Forgot to add, that was my first AR too, and if you have the dish AR15Sports.com sells complete A1 uppers
Thoughts on adding an A1 stock on an A2? What was the point in lengthening it on the A2?
>>30226357
Go for it, the aesthetic is similar enough, length of pull is important.
>>30225749
ar15sport.com sells em, theyre usually backlogged
Post retro or pseudo retro builds!
Me and a friend are trying to build an M16A1 clone for his dad's 70th birthday coming up in a year or two. He was a Sergeant in the US army in the early 1970's and from what he's told me, really admired the M16. Would it be safe to assume there will be more surplus kits hitting the market in that time?
>>30229079
>Would it be safe to assume there will be more surplus kits hitting the market in that time?
Probably not.
>>30229079
Do it now honestly, the more years he can enjoy a classic rifle like that, the better.
For his 70th birthday, consider a Colt 1911 from the era, to GI spec, alternately a new upper for the rifle with a fake M203 launcher (like a 37mm Cobray flaregun), complete with the heatshield and all.
>>30220691
>I still havn't ordered an M14 sling yet.......or a nodak spud receiver....
>>30217769
I felt physically sick a few weeks back
>browsing gun trader for AR15
>UK so straight pull only
>finds ad: Vietnam era full auto rifle with grenade launcher attached
>matching stamps
>all paperwork
>paperwork?? Wtf?
>its a deactivated firearm
>£9500 price tag
>mfw realise how much it would be worth if operational in the USA
Sometimes I really fucking hate my country.
>>30230256
Yeah, deactivated guns are a sad reality in Britain.
There's also these things like "Deactivated to old specs", meaning it was deactivated before some legal change and was grandfathered in, and is not quite as raped as a modern British deactivation.
Old spec deactivated guns are more valuable, partially because they're more intact, and partially because you could probably realistically reactivate them with the right effort.
>>30230330
Its not the monetary value that was lost that saddens me, it's the fact that a piece of history was bastardised. The only saving grace is that at least it wasn't destroyed
>>30229521
>A1 upper
>gov't profile barrel
Ew.
>>30221508
You single-handedly saved my XM177e2 build
I know this is an A1 thread, but i need opinions. Is it worth it to get a colt "ban" rifle? It's an A2 sporter HBAR. It's only a hundred dollars more than a bushmaster (A2 HBAR)
>>30233049
They're perfectly good rifles for what they are, they fetch a higher value in some places as the HBAR rifles somehow is exempted in some AWB states.
The searblock can be removed if you want to.
If you want the bayonet lug, you could probably swap the front sight post.
I think someone said that some of the models came with lead weights for balance, and that these are easily removable.
>>30232922
It's what I do goatfam.
>>30217769
colt is reproing them
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/05/30/colt-to-introduce-new-reproduction-vietnam-era-ar-15s/
>>30233254
>If you want the bayonet lug, you could probably swap the front sight post.
How hard is this to do? Also, the rear of the bolt is like cut in half..Is the fact that it's a "ban rifle" example worth anything? I mean I like that it's a colt, but what I really want is something that looks like an M16A2.
>not mine
>>30229521
flash hider is wrong.
triggered.
>>30236355
The lower and magazines are WAY more wrong though.
> Be Canadian
> Got to CanadaAmmo
> Buy Norinco CQ556 20"
> Replace Handguard
Bam a XM16A1 Clone for only $600
>>30237265
The stock on that isn't correct.
>tfw I've thought of that too
>>30237265
>Norinco CQ556
About the only think in spec with an A1 on that thing is the upper receiver and the barrel.
>>30217785
Oi thats a beaut
>>30237280
Replace the stock too?
>>30237398
Well it's cheap for a reason I guess.
We're talking about that old rifle that's vaguely A1 styled? With the funky furniture?
>>30226357
>What was the point in lengthening it on the A2?
MUHREEEN ALWAYS A RIFLEMAN OOH RAH
>>30226357
I've done it its a bit better for me.
>>30238379
>MUHREEEN ALWAYS A RIFLEMAN OOH RAH
d-does it actually help? I always thought keeping it more compact helps with recoil, and accuracy, because you're able to keep it tight,
>>30238506
>I always thought keeping it more compact helps with recoil,
Not necessarily, more mass means it's harder for the recoil to move the gun, but on the flip side, shorter barrel means less time to burn propellant, so a lot of what would have driven the bullet (and also driven the recoil) is driven out sooner than when it would on a longer rifle (so a carbine would be louder and brighter than a full length rifle), this goes double when it comes to a cartridge which goes mainly for speed, like the .223, in really short barrels, cartridges like these will suffer greatly.
>and accuracy
Depends, a ludicrously short AR at like 4" or less of barrel would have significant issues stabilizing a .223, just for the sake of argument.
Longer barrel means more speed, more speed means not only more power and longer reach, but a flatter trajectory.
To a degree anyway.
>because you're able to keep it tight
I don't think the difference between something like an M16A2 or M4A1 would make a noticeable difference with handling for the sake of longer distance accuracy, except for the M16A2 having longer range due to having a longer barrel.
>>30238644
If i'm just doing general range plinking, do twist rates matter as much?
>>30240092
Not really that much.
I think Mac did a video comparing two rifles, two different twist rates, basically, they should do fine, it's if you want to get sub MOA if you should consider different ammo.
>>30240141
I'll check it out the vid. My lgs has a bushmaster HBAR for 1300...
>fucking Canadian prices..
is there any reason why no one brings up the Colt SP1, and then just converting it to a more correct A1 clone?
>>30240493
Wrong upper and wrong lower. Since the receivers are by far the most difficult part to obtain when building an A1 clone, that pretty much defeats any benefit of buying an SP-1 and converting it.
>>30217769
you can easily build but it will be expensive, I did the math it was around 1200 with nds lower and upper and a 20 inch pencil barrel and you can source the furniture off gunbroker, there is some company that sells a1 furniture on gunbroker. when all said and done it was around 1200 for all the parts
>>30220636
What makes C7 a C7?
>>30241993
A1 sights but with A2 everything else.
>>30241993
the D stamp senpai
Good thread boys
>>30241993
Pretty much this >>30242373 only with a shell deflector on an A1 upper. The first C7's had A1 grips and stocks too with A2 handguards but they quickly decided on A2 everything.
It's the only real way to have a lefty-friendly A1-style AR. Here's an update of my build, all remaining parts are on their way.
>A3 rifles are retro now
>>30217785
That is a beautiful rifle. When I get ready to do an AR build, that's what I want.
>>30238317
Its amazing how one little hump can make an otherwise perfect stock fuck hideous.
>>30245448
I wanted to make a sex joke but couldn't think of any.
At any rate, do you think it could be ground off without looking like dogshit?
>>30238506
USA infantry rifle design has little to do with "helping" anything.
>>30230550
>>30236355
stay mad, madfags
that barrel would be the only anachronistic thing on a m16a1 603 clone, or a partial fence lower on a m16e1 603 clone
>>30249326
Yeah, let's ignore the totally fucked up lower
>>30220891
>>30237763
>>30243722
I think I'm part of the few who doesn't see the appeal.
>>30245448
>>30247046
>I wanted to make a sex joke but couldn't think of any.
The fucking handguard looks like a ribbed dildo..
>>30249341
>hatin on my 80% untraceable baby killin murder machine
that autism suits you well
>>30240823
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/561768833
Currently at $550
plus $150ish for a nodak lower
Just bought mine right at $600
>>30217769
Build an SP-1 clone. Shoots 55-Grain ammo.
>>30253363
the lower really kills the look though.
that and the terrible Mags
>>30256372
>the lower really kills the look though.
>that and the terrible Mags
what are you talking about?
>>30217769
What reason is there to choose an A1 or A2 over the other?
>>30217785
Something something, wishing for a nuclear winter.
