What made the M-16A1 such a bad weapon in Vietnam?
>>30120008
The fact that they advertised it as self cleaning, and the powder used in the ammo was sub-par. They fixed it mid war, however.
>>30120008
The guy pulling the trigger.
>>30120020
This. If you actually clean the fucking thing and don't feed it ammo it wasn't designed to take, it'll be just as reliable as any other assault rifle.
And yes, that includes the AK.
They issued it before it was done due to congressional backscratching.
They told the GIs to reuse the magazines that were intended to be single use because McNamara was an idiot, which caused a fuckload of feed problems.
They also told them that because they're made of space age materials they didn't need to actually clean the rifles, the things were self cleaning. And didn't issue cleaning kits.
They also used the wrong propellant in the rounds to begin with.
Couple that with what the muggy jungle/rice paddy climate does to an unchromed barrel...
It's not a question of if they had problems, it's a question of how many.
>>30120008
fuark OG A1s are sexy
>>30120008
Dirty ammo, no one cleaned their guns
![WP_20160524_013[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GBatOkU.jpg "WP_20160524_013[1].jpg")
>Manage to completely unfuck a mother of a situation born of an ungodly bitchfest between Colt, the Army Ordnance Corps, and McNamara.
>Come with an FA, chrome line bore and chamber, dust cover, instruction manuals, good magazines, cleaning kits, and training
>All in all, be the rifle that made the AR into what it is today
>Still get called shit for the defects associated with its predecessors and outside elements that had nothing to do with the rifle at all
>>30120046
You can go more rounds without lubing an AK than you can an AR
Just saying senpai
>>30120134
Yea, like 15,000 vs 10,000 though. and the looser fit is not worth it.
>>30120116
You could actually crush a zips skull with the solid stock. Now the adjustable stocks cannot crush any dink melons.
>>30120008
>tfw modern day M26s will never be issued with sexy Delta Grips and full giggle mode
>>30120171
>M26
Fuck, M16s I meant to say, I gotta go sleep
>>30120008
>>30120020
>>30120122
>A1
Holy Messy Dog Shit. The A1 was delivered in 1967, AFTER the original M-16 was introduced and was plagued with problems.
The A1 fixed this by adding a chrome lined bore and chamber and forward assist. They were also issued cleaning kits and proper training on maintenance.
>M16A1
>Having Problems
The gun wasnt the problem it was the fuck up in gunpowder that gave the pre-A1 M16s a bad name
>>30120008
Training and techniques was heavily influenced just so the wetdream of 1918 of Walking Fire actually became a reality.
Soldiers blew 20 round loads of 900r/m within seconds and had to rely on helicopters for ammunition resupply.
>>30120124
why does that have an A2 flash hider and a fenced lower?
>>30120122
>Dirty ammo
The U.S. never made corrosive powder and primed ammo son.
>>30120251
Don't.
>>30120008
I once got to talk to a Vietnam Vet about it. He basically called it a toy gun. He said he was given it towards the end of service, but then later got his M-14 back which was his favorite. He preferred the M-14 far above the "meat-ax". He noted problems with jamming, the magazines, and fouling.
One thing I noticed about some men deployed in Vietnam was that they would refer to the magazines on M16s as clips because they were initially trained with M1 Garands.
>>30120221
>dat pic
50 caliber M-16?
>>30120008
The powder they loaded the ammo with, and the stupid notion that the rifles did not need to be cleaned.
>>30120008
it aint me
![WP_20160525_007[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pBNrPo7.jpg "WP_20160525_007[2].jpg")
>>30120116
Yes.
>>30120362
This, some fuckwitted committee decided to use one type powder instead of what the gun was specifically designed to use. They then went balls deep into the porcupine and decided to tell soldiers that it didn't need cleaning and didn't order any cleaning kits for it.
>>30120097
>They told the GIs to reuse the magazines that were intended to be single use because McNamara was an idiot, which caused a fuckload of feed problems.
w-what?
Extra spicy memes.
The A1 came after they fixed it's issues.
>>30120349
Training model.
>>30120008
It wasn't. Now go away.
>>30121675
early aluminum mags were meant to be disposable like clips
samething goes for g3 mags
>>30120251
Look here you dumb bitch you just remember that the 3 prong flash hider is Not an Sp1, or xm17 feature.
I hope to save you some embarassment in front of a collector.
Also it could be a partial fence, can't tell since fucking dust cover is open.
It does have a forward assist did you notice that?
Fuck you nevermind just go to retroblackrifle.com>>30120251
>>30120251
it doesn't. full fenced lowers were common with the A1 after '64. you can tell from the lack of reinforcement at the rear near the receiver extension.
that isn't a A2 flash hider either. spacing is completely wrong. the A1 had 6 slots evenly spaced and slightly larger than the A2, which had slightly thinner slots and only 5 of them (omitting one at 6 o'clock).
while that' s a repro NDS (?) lower with the DoD acceptance stamp on the front of the mag well, it's reasonably accurate for an A1 clone. if you're going to nit-pick a clone, do the one thing that's outright wrong: the magazine is phosphate coated rather than anodized, and that's an A2 stock, or an extremely late A1 stock from a sporter. it has the wrong sling attachment.
>>30120008
wrong bullets
>>30120008
>A1
A1 was good. M16 is what you're asking about.
>>30122294
>magazine
Is a late 1960's Universal Industries
>stock
Is a surplus A1 with the correct sling mount
Come on, people.
It was the powder in the rounds they were using. Weapon was fine
>>30120171
>>30120177
Is the M26 in service?
>>30120020
>he fell for the gun cleaning meme
>>30120008
bad powder and incorrect training on maintenance in the field
>>30123461
I'm sure they're still lying around somewhere. Maybe the SOF units still use them?
Who else in the US military are kicking in doors right now?
>>30123461
>>30123585
Think it's mostly an armory queen. The guys that get issued them never take them with them, and when they do, they're never attached to their rifle.
>>30120046
>assault rifle
Opinion discarded
>>30123791
>>30120389
Is that seriously a bring-back? What were the bring-back rules like back then? Can you even do that kind of shit these days?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqB-V6cXR_I
Ball powder, lack of cleaning kits, lack of chrome plated chamber.
>>30120008
>tfw I don't like ar with rails but I like this look
Where can I buy a reproduction M-16?
>>30120008
>wrong propellant
>no cleaning kits
>pencil barrel
>jungle is hard on any weapon
>non reciprocating charging handle + no forward assist
>conscripts
>55 grain jacketed lead ball ammo
>20 round magazines
>no chrome
>>30123938
colt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/05/30/colt-to-introduce-new-reproduction-vietnam-era-ar-15s/
>>30123938
http://www.fulton-armory.com/fariflecal556mmupruniversalprecisionrifle-3-2-2-7-2.aspx theres a few more i'm sure of but you could build one
>>30120287
Ammo doesnt have to be corrosive to be dirty
>>30124002
>production run of 1500
>>30120477
>This, some fuckwitted committee decided to use one type powder instead of what the gun was specifically designed to use.
It's actually the other way round. In 1954 came the decision that all of the Army's small arms are to use Ball powder. The AR-15 was designed several years later. So the question one should ask is why the guys at Armalite designed a rifle for the wrong powder.
>>30120097
*Nostalgia critic singing voice*:
"Bureaucrat clusterfuck, bureaucrat clusterfuck.
Idiots gather together to run amok"
>>30124453
To jack up the initial prices and to gage interest most likely. I'd be surprised if they sell well and Colt doesn't do at least limited production.
>>30124002
>to the rare 605 carbine
Can't wait for it to be a fake dissy.
>the company hopes to release 1500 each of every model of AR-15 made during the Vietnam era
>1500 each
Colt is incapable of not making buttfuck retarded decisions. Can't wait to see 2/3 of them get snatched up and immediately flipped to GB at 33% markup.
> The AR-15 effort represents the second Colt reproduction series to hit the market, after some new production Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless pistols made it to the market earlier this year.
And that endeavor was a hilarious clusterfuck of an abortion that no one wanted. Save for, again, some kikes who flipped them on GB.
It was literally perfect ever since it was designed.
The only people telling otherwise are the ones who hate america.
>>30120210
This. A1 was fine.
>>30125791
So according to you, the very designer of that weapon hates America.
>>30126205
Is he in America today?
>>30123635
It looks like an awkward thing to grip thats for sure.
>>30120287
fouling and corrosion are two different things, son.
>>30120008
It was a good design but was ruined by whiz kids of the kennedy era who decided to put stick powder in the ammunition. also 5.56 is piss poor for the jungle: bullets will loose any sort of accuracy if it comes in contact with brush.
>>30120134
An AK can run dry by design, even if it's not good for it.
it's one advantage, but of course it's balanced out by other things
>>30124705
gtfo doug
no one cares about you
Is using a surplus a1 three position safety selector in a semi auto ar 15 legal?
![1-Husqvarna[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HpMLvUo.jpg "1-Husqvarna[1].jpg")
>>30125598
>And that endeavor was a hilarious clusterfuck of an abortion
How did they manage to fuck that up.
![WP_20160511_005[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8oEbHO2.jpg "WP_20160511_005[1].jpg")
>>30128744
Yes, as the only thing it offers is a second safety positions.
>>30128850
Cost 3x as much as legit 1903 in good shape, had a fuckugly gray parkerization job, shallow and inconsistent rollmarks, and disgusting toolmarks on the slide. It was a complete and total bust.
>>30123791
>using the legitimate term
>that's used by the US military
>but still shouldn't be used because reasons
Makes sense.
>>30125598
>new production Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless
Not gonna lie, I was going to buy one until I saw they were going to sell them for $1,400
Not as crushed as when I learned the new Webley revolver was gonna be like 10k or something
>>30128982
I remember seeing that thread where the guy compared his original to the repro, it was god awful. Does anyone buy colt other than fudds?
>>30124601
Because a slow burning full bore rifle powder is completely unsuitable for an intermediate cartridge.
>>30129023
It literally looked like a Century attempt at making a 1903 Hammerless. The craftsmanship was so blatantly inferior I don't know how anyone could justify coughing up $1500 for one.
>picrelated ran me all of $600
>>30129021
Pretty much everyone balked when the price was announced.
![Colt-right-open[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7yCwjOD.jpg "Colt-right-open[1].jpg")
>>30128982
>This handgun retails for $1300, but good luck finding it at any retailers right now.
>$1300 for this
Words fail me. This shit looks godawful.
>>30129069
Seriously what the fuck is with that Grey finish? Even 100$ chinese guns have better finish than that
>>30129153
They tried, terrible, to replicate an issued 1903, hence the US Property stamp. Unfortunately for Colt, most people wanted the sexy blue finish that the vast majority had. Also, the actual issued 1903 had far better evident build quality, along with a better park job. Compare the actual issue piece to the abortion in >>30129069
wrong powder in the case
>>30129069
>that finish
id grind/sand that shit down and use a 20 dollar cold bluing kit and itd look way better than those monkeys made it look out of the factory
>>30123791
>select fire
>intermediate cartridge
>talking about service-issued M16A1
>dictionary definition of assault rifle
this is you
>>30120008
I'm surprised no one mentioned the 1 in 12 twist yet.
![Twist-Rate-3-for-web[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cFiZrum.jpg "Twist-Rate-3-for-web[1].jpg")
>>30129221
Nothing wrong with 1:12 twist with the 55-grain projectile the military was using at the time. IIRC the US military didn't move to 1:7 until the adopted M855.
>>30128444
Can't be much more difficult than a m203, besides the bolt.
>>30129069
Oh yeah, another fun tidbit; apparently the Colt emblem disk in the four-figure repro was plastic coated in foil. Pure, fucking class.
![wm_7394109[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qMHimRj.jpg "wm_7394109[1].jpg")
>>30129334
>tfw the company that produced some of the best blued steel I have ever seen has been reduced to putting a plastic emblem on a 1903 Hammerless
w e w
>>30123461
I had a friend who was issued an M4 with one attached. Then he was moved to an MG team but there weren't enough pistols so he kept the M4 with M26 on top of carrying the M240. He said it sucked.
>>30123824
My dad has a (shitty, never gonna fire again) Arisaka, a good luck flag, and some Japanese money that my grandfather brought back from New Guinea.
On the other hand, my brother wasn't allowed to bring a chunk of marble from Saddam's palace onto a plane in 2005. All he managed to bring home was some Iraqi money.
>>30120210
Agreed.
The M16 pic related was the problem rifle. The three-prong flash hider was also an issue.
>>30128850
I recently got one of those Husqvarnas.
Fails to feed on nearly every round. Gets all jammed up.
It was only $250, plus 300 rounds of Hornady crit defense, but it's just not working.
Kind of a bummer.
![WP_20150928_027[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xj6Pwfd.jpg "WP_20150928_027[1].jpg")
>>30131874
Mine works fine enough. Replace the action spring.
>>30131885
Huh.
That's the deal?
Well I'll be damned.
Got a line on who has those replacement springs? Numrich was out, last I checked.
>>30120163
They were flimsy as hell and would easily break.
>>30131907
Dunno what to tell you there, maybe have one made?
