Suppressor decisions
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So I see that the main options for suppressor bodies are carbon steel, stainless steel, and titanium.
Other than weight, what are the differences between these materials on suppressors? Weight is of no importance to me; all I care about is which will reduce the most amount of noise.
Is it worth it to shell out extra shekels for certain materials?
Does the metal type of baffles reduce/increase sound as well?
chrome moly will withstand more abuse than the other 2 and i find it to have a lower tone
Things you care about for the material is primarily maximum operating temperature and wear resistance. For most purposes, erosion wear resistance can be approximated by hardness. Ideally, you want a Stellite first baffle at least, and titanium for the rest of the baffles and body. Stainless gets 'sensitized' and loses its 'stainless' property when exposed to 500C. You start to effect the properties of titanium by exposures of 1000C (ie; the fucker is glowing orange), but you start to get oxidization and alpha case formation at probably 700C. Aluminum (7000 series) goes to all shit at exposures beyond 200C.
So, pretty much: Stellite>Titanium>Stainles>>>aluminum.
If your stainless is a 400 series, it'll be much harder, but less corrosion resistant than a 300 series.
For anything other than .22lr bolt action suppressors, I have no fucking idea why they would ever remotely consider aluminum.
-metallurgist
Best pistol suppressor 2016- rugged obsidian
best rifle suppressor - silencerco omega
i don't know what best .22 caliber suppressor is
>>30099680
"I GOOGLED A BUNCH OF METALLURGY TERMS I'M A HUGE FAGGOT.
IF YOU HEAT STAINLESS STEEL TO 500C THE ALLOYS LOCKED WITHIN THE CRYTALS SOMEHOW COMES OUT I'M A BIG FAGGOT"
-your post
>>30099680
Thank you, I hope you don't mind that I copied and saved that for future referencing. Do you know where carbon steel stacks up? Or is Stellite another name for carbon steel. (I don't know shit about steels, honestly).
>>30099680
Inconel is more common for a blast baffle. Stellite sucks to machine, but makes a slightly better material for a can.
>>30099740
Stellite is an older wunderalloy cobalt and chromium doped with other good shit.
>>30099735
At about that temperature, chromium carbides form and locally deplete the matrix of chrome, particularly near the grain boundaries.
Better? But sure, I guess I was being a faggot with that last line.
>>30099735
why are you so upset
>>30099698
This. For pistol, get the .45 so you can run it on any caliber. I unfortunately ordered a Ti-rant 45 last month, but that's because the Obsidian and Octane were sold out pretty much everywhere. Ti-rant has a titanium body and aluminum baffles, so it's a pretty lightweight can. However steel baffles are apparently much easier to clean, so it winds up being a trade-off
>tfw didn't even get the Ti-rant M.
>>30099740
As >>30099789 said, Stelljte is an interesting alloy; it's not like steel. Carbon steel can be very hard depending on the heat treatment, but typically won't be for the service temperatures of a suppressor. I haven't seen regular carbon steel used for suppressors.
>>30099515
>uneven heat treating for looks
>in a device designed to contain 65,000 psi
What could possibly go wrong?
>>30100022
>in a device designed to contain 65,000 psi
But it's not.
>>30100022
chamber pressure might be 65000psi on some rounds but it wouldn't be anywhere even close to that in the can.
Am I missing something here or is that retarded looking thing supposed to be the baffles? I feel like identical baffles would be significantly more effective than this fucking maze.
>>30100127
Actually not necessarily , I think the asymmetric pattern helps with preventing the waves from harmonizing. Also baffles are free floating and not generally fixed.
Kind of like how quiet it gets when its snowy outside, its because the sound gets caught between the air gaps in the snow, same concept.
>>30099515
What part of the suppressor is the 'device'? Can you swap baffles out in a can?
>>30100196
The part with the serial number. Usually the tube.
No, you can't but the manufacturer can. Sometimes. The ATF doesn't have to make sense when they say things.
>>30100227
As someone with lifelong hearing issues, I don't understand the resistance to relaxing the suppressor rules to increase their availability.
>>30100337
Atf likes money to exercise a right and there's a Hollywood stigma that assassins only use them to kill people without being heard so most people don't think that they cut down on noise pollution and protect hearing
>>30100337
most people dont know how loud guns actually are and have unrealistic beliefs on how quiet a suppressor can make them. because its such a pain in the ass to get one, most people dont have any and so it just seems like a novelty item to them.
>>30099698
>best rifle suppressor - silencerco omega
kek. if you want your finish to bubble off, the tube to separate from the core, and the can get stuck on the mount, all in under 150 rounds through it, get an omega
>>30100504
>most people dont know how loud guns actually are and have unrealistic beliefs on how quiet a suppressor can make them
so much this
>>30099515
Inconel baffles anon.
>mfw Inconel work order comes in.
>>30100164
bio-dome suppressor when?
>>30100504
>>30100602
I have two and they're pretty damn quiet to me. Subsonic ammo + a can = very quiet.
>>30099515
I'm no metallurgist but I own four suppressors. Allow me to give me thoughts, please. I have:
SilencerCo Octane 9
>aluminum tube
>stainless steel baffles are pretty tough for their intended use of centerfire pistol cartridges and sub sonic 300 blackout. According to an engineer at SWR, he over engineered the design of the can to make it tough and in testing ran three full of magazines of full power 300 through it on full retard. The can survived but the baffles were eroded and needed to be replaced.
SilencerCo Spectre II
>stainless steel tube and stainless steel baffles
>built like a tank and able to handle 22 LR through FN 5.7 full retard
SilencerCo Omega
>titanium tube
>stellite blast baffle
>stainless steel baffle stack
>this thing is super lightweight. It is rated for full retard but the manufacturer describes it as a medium duty suppressor so I would keep the full retard and rapidfire to a necessary minimum of possible. There have been reports of mounts and tubes separating from the baffle stack. Apparently to save weight, the manufacturer basically glued the baffle stack inside the tube.
>supposedly, the baffle stack and inner tube is strong enough to contain any baffle strike and will allow the suppressor to be re-cored in the event of a catastrophic failure
>I chose the Omega over the Saker because of ASR mount master race
SilencerCo SPECWAR 556k
>built like a fucking tank
>ASR master race
>5.56 is loud even when suppressed
>the weight savings between 556k and the full size 556 SPECWAR is worth the slight loss of suppression
I have been collecting suppressors for three years. If I were to get into the game today for my first purchase, I would get one SilencerCo Hybrid to use ok all my guns except 22lr. I would stick with the Spectre II for rimfire use.... Maybe a sparrow if you prefer a monocore.
>>30102550
You can order the Saker with ASR.
>>30102661
You can replace the mount but it is $300. Better to just buy a SPECWAR 762
>>30102765
http://www.capitolarmory.com/silencerco-saker-762-suppressor.html
Option to have ASR/Specwar mount included instead of Trifecta.
>>30102807
nice find
For someone new to suppressors, I'm around 50% done with my .300 blk sbr and was eventually planning on buying one. What are some models I should be looking at and things I should be taking into consideration
>>30103276
quietest - specwar 762 but its huge
strongest - saker 762 but not as quiet
>>30103276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCVfXCggH54
>>30099698
>Not an OSS flow through
>>30103350
stronger as in raw durability of dropping and banging it around on stuff, or lifespan? What would you say the lifespan of both would be
>>30103604
>extremely overpriced gimmick that underperforms vs conventional cans
>>30103630
full auto rated down to 7.5 inch barrel. both are lifetime warranty so no worries. saker is more expensive by like 300 dollars but more compact
>>30099735
"The fact that there are real, knowledgeable humans in the world makes me mad and since I can't regulate my emotions I try to regulate other people's actions."
-your autistic post
>>30099850
Read this elsewhere too. How true is this? Has anyone side my side tested a .22lr with .22lr specific can next to a .22lr with a .45 can? I hate spending redundantly.
>>30104295
.22 cans perform better overall. The FRP on a 45 can will be horrendously bad.
But, a .45 will do the job well enough. I'd opt for a dedicated .22 can anyway, they're only like $300.
>>30100337
This. I Don't see people suddenly assassinating all the time due to availability.
>>30104316
If there were half as many cans as guns on the market and Jamal and his homies learned that if you put a few squirts of water into them made them quieter than shutting a car door it sounds like a real recipe for disaster.
I'm not saying that justifies the draconian regulations, but you have to see the other side of the issue.
What would be a good poorfag 9mm suppresser that isn't an oil filter?
>>30104401
freeze plug build kit.
>>30104295
It isn't necessarily only about performance, it also has to do with a sealed vs. user serviceable can. Of course .22 if perfectly "safe" to shoot through anything larger than .22, but the amount of fouling that builds up can quickly fuck up a sealed can.
>>30104843
Not that all larger caliber suppressors are sealed though. Just something to consider
>>30104843
Show me one single can which has gotten fucked up by .22 fouling.
>>30099698
>best 22 suppressor
Spectre II and the Mask 22 HD
>>30103276
Apart from the suggestions that have already been made, have a look at the Dead Air Sandman Ti. It's direct thread with a titanium tube to keep the weight down, but still has a full stellite baffle stack and can take anything you can throw at it. There are zero barrel length or caliber restrictions (up to the bore size obviously). Mike Pappas is the CEO. It was his drive and his care for the customer that made SilencerCo what it is today, and like SilencerCo, Dead Air has a great warranty.
>>30104424
Guy's looking for a poorfag solution. If a poorfag had skills, he wouldn't be a poorfag. You think he has the skills to build a suppressor? Even a stone-age suppressor like free floating freeze plugs in a threaded pipe?
>>30104401
Literally sort by price. And keep your fingers crossed it was built right.
>>30104893
Here's one.
inb4 .224 isn't .22
>>30105957
That was shooting .30cal through a .223 can, you gosh darn dipplydoo.
>>30102293
>I have two and they're pretty damn quiet to me. Subsonic ammo + a can = very quiet.
I'm talking about people who expect standard, off the shelf ammo to be movie quiet.
>>30107599
Doesn't get a lot more 'off the shelf' than Remington Subsonic. Stuff's easy as hell to find. Comes out of a 4" barrel around 900 to 950fps, well under sonic boom territory, and while very dirty which makes for frequent can maintenance, is startlingly quiet. Bit of white lithium grease on the first few K baffles helps with both quieting and dismantling.
>>30109621
You're missing the point.
He's saying people expect it to be MOVIE quiet.
No suppressor is. Not wet, not wiped, not subsonic, not primers only. No suppressor is movie quiet.
>>30109895
Sure they are, in terms of volume. But they have a completely different tone.
>>30099515
The body makes no difference except ringing
And the gunshot is way louder anyway
>>30099535
>chrome moly will withstand more abuse than the other 2 and i find it to have a lower tone
Except no what the fuck
>>30099680
you forgot inconel
You can use aluminum just fine with most pistol calibers
>>30099829
what about the nickel?
Because stainless has nickel, not chrom
>>30100677
Have fun with that plastic deformation lmao
>>30109931
They absolutely are not.
The EXTREME low end of suppressor noise is 110 dB on a low power, locked breech .22. That is not a mouse fart. That is very loud. That's how loud a human can scream. Is a human screaming at full power as quiet as a movie suppressor hiss?
>>30110014
i feel that .22 suppressed is movie quiet... you just hear the action of the gun
>>30110014
For exactly .01 seconds with a completely different tone? Yes. Yes it is.
Tell me, is clapping your hands or screaming louder, in terms of raw decibels? Whoops, looks like that one is 126dB.
Have you ever shot a .22lr bolt rifle with a good can?
>>30110048
>>30110053
Confirmed for never shooting through cans
Fucking idiots
>>30110122
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.
>>30110048
>>30110053
You're never used a suppressor.
Please, change my statement by posting a picture of your suppressor and repeat your subjective opinion.
>>30110053
>Have you ever shot a .22lr bolt rifle with a good can?
Yes. It's louder than pic related. And pic related is still as loud as a very sharp hand clap. With CCI CB caps it's the quietest firearm I've ever heard, by a large margin, and it's nowhere near movie quiet. It's not even quiet enough to "only hear the firing pin" or whatever other noguns drivel you want to spout next, the report is significantly louder than that.
>>30110135
>expired memes
>>30110272
>no argument
>>30110269
I'm this guy>>30110122
>no timestamp
Really showed them
>>30110280
Never posted a timestamp before.
>>30110300
So then what reason does anyone have to believe you own that?
>>30100582
Finish will wear on just about any can, it is part of the massive amounts of heat.
Tube unscrewing from the core only happened on a small batch of them, the problems have been fixed.
As far as the can getting stuck on the mount, you're confusing the ASR system with the Trifecta/Saker.
>>30102550
All four awesome cans. 556K is an awesome size, and still performs really well.
>>30110269
Although my ears are fucked, typically the short duration of a shot gives less of a perceived loudness.
>>30110269
>>30110300
When are you going to get a DeLisle?
>>30110313
None, unless they remember me.
Yep, I'm aware of the hypocrisy.
>>30110387
It's still on the list, but there are so many Walthers ahead of it...
>>30110413
I forgot about your walther obsession.
Planning on getting the Q5 Match?
>>30110387
>>30110422
>he's back
Oh god please no
>>30110422
Eh. Without a paddle release compatible with my many P99 mags, or a possibility for threaded barrel it's not very desirable, especially since I have the role filled. But the slide has a different marquee, so probably.
>>30110433
Trips never die, anon.
Back to anon I go.
>>30110454
aren't you the one with that huge stack of G3 mags?
>>30110454
>dat Filco
Picked up one of these SilencerCo packages back with the last James Bond Release.
PPK/S 22 with Spectre II. I got Serial number 007. Only Walther I own, though.
>>30110459
That's me!
tfw costs three times more than the mags cost to fill them
>>30110475
Hey, that's pretty cute. Those Umarex PPK/ss scare me tho.
>>30110489
only loaded pic I have
>>30110513
>captcha
>carrefour defense
Yes, I carry 308 for defense
>>30110513
>>30110531
holy fucking shit
that's like $400 in magazines what the fuck
>>30110598
naw nigga, all the rhodie paints were like $7, the middle ones were like $8, I think the top 3 were $13, and the 4 on the far right were $16
Centerfire Systems had a sale on mags and I bought a whole shit ton
>>30110604
that's still like $200 in magazines
>>30110669
Nice things cost money
And I sold over half of them for like $15 a piece so whatever
>>30110014
Here it's some information about not just how retarded you are but why you are retarded
http://blog.silencershop.com/22-suppressor-test-results/
>>30110669
I have four mags for my m9 that I bought new from cabelas. 190 after tax. I suppose next you will call 100$ a lot of money?
Oh shiiit
Also a new process to create titanium for a lot cheaper was discovered, so that may bring down the price. Someone said it in another thread, a tube shouldn't cost $1,000...
>>30110387
>When are you going to get a DeLisle?
I was going to order one before 41F but but as it turns out both valkyrie and special interest have stopped making them.
For what little it's worth, my .22lr pistol doesn't come anywhere near causing pain in my earsp when sshooting subsonic Remington, CCI, or Gemtech ammunition through my suppressor. Hand claps hurt as I'm a bit excessively sensitive to high frequency intense noise. If I shoot something like Federal bulk through it the noise starts getting closer to the ouch threshold, though not quite as it stays just barely subsonic. This is with indoor testing in an acoustically 'bright' room. Hollywood? Well, when I shot a squirrel in the yard with a neighbour right beside me, he was shocked at how quiet it was, said "no louder than popping a beer can." So no, not the pew pew sort of magic of that much overused Hollywood sound effect, but silly-quiet.
>>30112598
And these are the baffles used in the old French pistol.
>>30112244
Just how exactly does that prove him wrong?
Unless I'm unknowingly stupid, you just proved him right by a margin of 7db.
Are you actually retarded, or are you just jesting?
>>30115535
40db is not 110db......but you are maximum DB
>>30106009
Go home John Kasich.
>>30115770
Where are you gettign 40db? The number 40 isn't even on that page.
Are you looking at decibels REDUCED?
>>30118409
I do believe he was looking at that column, and somehow imagining that it was total dB output rather than dB reduction. So yes. Retarded.
