So I spoked to a recruiter today and it looks like OCS is looking good for me. With my PT scores and and the content of my academic pedigree they are pretty confident I will do well enough to branch however I want (I want infantry). However, I am still considering the Marine Corps and going OCC with them instead. From what I understand if someone is deemed "uniquely qualified" for a certain MOS that they can get preference and branch that way. I would want to go ground intelligence if I were to go the Marine route because I am pretty sure I could make a great case for being uniquely qualified. Plus, ground intel guys have the chance to go to selection for cool guy stuff from what I understand (MARSOC, Force Recon).
So my choice is either go Army OCS and shoot for Infantry and try to get into cool guy stuff once I make captain, or go Marine Corps OCC and try to go Ground Intel and try for Force Recon in a couple years. Which idea do you guys think is better? Bumping with cool /k/ related pics.
>>30077482
throwing a little homoerotic seabees in there too. Why not.
>>30077500
>>30077510
>>30077530
>>30077543
>>30077482
Small steps. Focus on your 25 meter goals. It's good to have ideas about your future, but apply yourself to what's ahead of you first.
Both fields have great opportunities that will open up if you excel, so don't stress over them too much at the moment. You never know, you might hit Captain and hate your life.
With OCS as well, jobs aren't guaranteed until the end based on your performance. Pick Army or Marine Corps, and work your ass off from there first.
>>30077558
>>30077569
definitely. good advice thanks. The only reason why I may lean more toward Marine Corps is that throughout the process of becoming an officer you can be deemed uniquely qualified, and have more "dibs" on how you want to branch than you could with Army. Is this true?
>>30077573
Stalone McFishgun
>>30077634
Jordanian Deagle
>>30077690
>>30077708
>>30077482
You're never gonna make it if you post shit pictures, faggot
Army OCS isn't that difficult and based on your credentials it sounds like you're going to be a good candidate, especially infantry.
You could also go guard in which you're guaranteed a branch.
>>30077796
yes master. Is this better?
>>30077836
How much more difficult is Marine OCC? And do you know much about what I mentioned about being deemed "uniquely qualified?"
>>30077795
>>30077930
Have no idea about the Marine route. I graduated from the Army OCS.
The thing about the Army OCS is that it's changing all the time. The class I was in wasn't as strict as it was before but very heavy.on the PT
>>30077930
USMC OCS is widely considered to be the toughest commissioning program of all the branches.
What exactly makes you uniquely qualified?
>>30078025
Master's in Foreign service. Fluent in Russian and Persian (Farsi, Dari, and Tajik). Conversational in French, German, and Swahili. What makes it toughest?
>>30078004
Nice, how did you branch?
>>30077610
you score high you get to pick, top graduating gets what they chose on an order of merit.
unless somone has a degree in the field i think highest performers are highest on the OML (order of merit list)
think of how small the corps is compared to the army, their SF units are proportionately smaller (thus harder to get into) too...
>>30077482
There's a thread for this shit.
/meg/ isn't just literally ENLISTMENT.
>>30077482
>I spoked
>spoked
Yeah, the Marines are right up your alley.
>>30078072
MP, but I'm trying to get into flight school. Taking the SIFT on D Day so it must be a good sign.
>>30078083
Right, so would my qualifications I listed immediately above qualify me? A large part of my studies involve intelligence analysis as well.
>>30078099
sorry. have some italian bike operators
>>30078105
spoke* whoops...
>>30078118
How exactly are you gonna transition as an officer? Isnt it extremely difficult?
>>30077987
>>30078238
>>30078238
Are those what I think they are?
Also here's some old school operators. Like, really old school.
>>30078433
who are these old operators you posted
>>30077482
I remember a thread a few days ago in which the ground intel officer position was discussed.
Apparently it isn't what they say it is, and you'll end up at a desk making shitty powerpoints for most of your time.
But there is supposedly a huge misconception about the position that makes class leaders pick open positions first because they think they're going to get to oper8.
>>30077482
Is that an A1 lower on that?
>>30078467
I am concerned mostly with it being a great opportunity to use my language skills and relevant education. And yea... its a feeder into Force Recon and MARSOC too
>>30078191
In active yeah. In the Guard it's a lot easier.
>>30078425
>>30078543
What kinda stuff do you do as MP officer? Why did you chose it in the first place?
>>30078630
I learned that it's a lot of paperwork.
I was a complete dumbass and it sounded cool. I wished I branched infantry instead. That's why I'm hoping to get picked up for flight school.
>>30078025
i thought it was the Coast Guard.
>>30078716
Could you have branched infantry if you wanted to? And do you guys get a lot of cool training?
>>30078727
and lol. why would the coast guard OCS be particularly hard??
>>30078766
because they're not really looking to get that many more officers so they can afford to weed dudes out.
>>30078766
I think during BOLC we do the cool shit. After that I just do lazy stuff. Infantry was my second choice, though it should have been my first.
>>30078816
if you put it first would you have gotten it?
>>30078779
so how do they? Just rigorous academics? What do they even teach you in the coast guard that you cant get a better version of in the navy? I am geniunely curious. Do they have like... different mariner techniques or something?
>>30078852
not sure, honestly.
USAF OTS was like a 90% pass rate, and most people who were dropped were self-eliminations on the first few days. the hard part was getting selected since when i was applying non-rated boards had something like 5% acceptance rates.
>>30078885
wut... how is it that selective to go OTS and then people just drop...
>>30078852
Yeah I would have.
>>30078885
What are you in the air force now
>>30077482
>spoked
Yeah you sound like just the kind of guy they want
>>30078698
>>30078952
spelling mistake. Unintentional. woops
>>30078957
>>30078918
sometimes what you think you can do/want to do isn't what you really want to do. sometimes it takes traveling to Maxwell AFB to figure that out.
>>30078927
1st Lt
>>30078975
>>30078982
How did you branch? Is "branching" the proper nomenclature for air force officers? Also, cant you apply and go 13 L (Air Liaison Officer) from being a civilian?
>>30078983
>>30079009
No one after you commission will give a fuck about your academic pedigree or how it ties into the current mission.
Maybe in the CIA/State Dept they would factor that kind of stuff in, but the military doesn't operate like that dude.
After OCS you are just going to be another butter bar like the dude next to you with a Communication degree. If you are as high speed as you claim to be then you won't have a problem working your way into some cool guy shit after a few years, but that'll be based entirely on your military track record. I can promise you there is no person in a cubicle who is going to read your report card and fast track you anywhere.
>>30078997
it's similar to the Navy - you apply for the job you want when you apply for OTS. they convene a board and give you a job, then you decide if you want to go to Maxwell and take that job. you pick your top 3, and usually they'll give you one of those if you're picked up. there's a rated board (pilot/CSO/ABM/RPA pilot) and non-rated (everything else that's not a lawyer, chaplain, or medical).
you can be a career ALO, or you can have that be a special assignment as a pilot or CSO. that, STO, and CRO have some additional things before they'd consider your packet before their board - they meet already knowing you and if they're going to pick you up or not.
>>30079043
Right. Of course I dont think that my degrees are gonna make me become some operator much easier. However, I have read, and heard, that having a skillset or knowledge base as indicated by academic degrees in certain areas will help gain you preference with certain MOSs at OCC. From what I understand. Of course I am confident in my capacity to earn whatever MOS I want. However, it would be nice to have some guarantee that I will get the one I want. Because from my studies performing the best at OCC doesnt necessarily guarantee you the MOS you want either, as they want an even distribution of well qualified officers across all MOSs. If every stud got exactly what they wanted they would probably be way over represented in infantry and the logistics guys would all suck ass.
>>30079050
Interesting. I considered 13 L. But the recruiter was telling me that you could only be prior service and had to apply to go to selection when you were already in for a bit. I wonder why he said this. Everywhere and everyone else seems to think otherwise... but him.
>>30079037
Who where wishes they did ROTC while they were in college?
>>30079122
OP here. I dont really as much. I spent a lot of my undergrad studying abroad which probably wouldnt have jived well with ROTC. Plus. I am happy I am getting my master's
>>30079122
>where
here*
But seriously, I'm regretting some of the choices I made thus far in life.
Okay, /personalblogpost/ over.
>>30079108
>>30079095
I can tell already that you're gonna be that fuckin' guy who's all hot shit. You're gonna show up first day with that "I'm only (age) and I'm already (position)!" attitude. You're gonna look at everybody with a snotty ass expression, talking about how you're totes gonna be a badass navy seal MARSOC green ranger beret, and all of your peers will grow to resent you.
If I can give you any advice, drop the young and capable act and get with the program. Understand that you aren't special, and if you act like you are, somebody is gonna put either a foot in your ass or a bullet in your skull.
>>30079182
You sound salty. I earned what I have. And if my skillset allows me to get the MOS I want I am gonna do everything I can to take it. If you think that is stupid, you are probably a fucking idiot who ruined your own chances at anything. Stay salty.
Faggot
>>30079216
>I EARNED WHUT I GOTS
>Isn't even in the military yet
>Doesn't have shit or earned shit yet
>Doesn't understand that I'm genuinely trying to help
>>30079122
I did it. It was alright. This was back before accessions took your major into account, so as a commuting STEM major I regularly got fucked in the mouth. Had to go to the dean multiple times to request absurd amounts of credit hours just to graduate on time.
I'd do it again, to be sure, but if I were serious about a military career I would do something easy like a criminology major.
>>30079254
he proved your point exactly
>>30079254
Sure did. Fluent in two critical languages and am getting my master's at one of the top programs in my field. On the fucking planet. While paying my way through college and earning grants to do it.
You are just being a faggot because you arent even addressing what I said.
You are of no help if what I am trying to do is find a way to leverage what I have accomplished to have a better career in the military and all you have to say is that I should do it like anybody else, even though I may have a better route I can take. You just sound salty. So stay salty. You goon.
>>30077482
>spoked
>OCS
"no"
>>30079264
Why does every ROTC kid get a criminal justice degree... it seems pretty useless for a military career.
>>30079288
I was amazed it took this long for someone to say it
>>30079288
>>30079295
spelling mistake. whoops
>>30079285
point is, your major doesn't really matter that much. sure, you might not be an engineer or a meteorologist without appropriate degrees, but having a degree from Harvard means you still have to salute the Major who went to some shitty state school and majored in basket weaving.
your college comes up in conversation, and you should be proud of your accomplishments... but it's not going to get you to the front of any of the lines you seem like you want to be in.
>>30079293
Protip: every major is useless for a military career. If you want to be an officer, all you need is a bachelor's degree. In anything. I met an infantry officer while I was in ROTC who had gotten his degree in theater.
Our BC typically interviewed people regarding their majors. Any bullshit sociology degrees got a good "The fuck are you gonna do with that?"
He was pretty good with cutting me a marginal amount of slack before he retired, but finals weeks were still a waking nightmare.
>>30079285
Ok so do you want to be a solider or do you want to be a special snowflake cause at this point I have no fucking clue what you're going for right now. Yes, you're going to do A LOT of a shit 'like anybody else'. You're gonna have the same clothes, the same haircut, you're gonna run the same miles and put up with the same bullshit.
What the fuck do you think this bratty attitude you've got is actually gonna do?
I guarantee you are gonna shit your undoubtedly skinny jeans the first time a DI gets in your face.
>>30079293
>>30079316
Oh, and most hooah hooah infantry guys tend to get one just to have an available job in LE if shit goes sideways at any point in their career.
Which makes sense, since they usually only last about 10 years before getting out for any number of reasons.
>>30079315
This. Listen to this man. Nobody gives a fuck what your degree is in or where you went. This applies to military life as well as civilian.
>HEY I HAVE A DEGREE AND SPEAK TWO LANGUAGES
>HEY GOOD FOR YOU BUDDY GO GRAB A JUICE BOX
>>30079334
i speak from experience. i fly jets, and i was fresh out of a master's in engineering from a school with a good national reputation when i went to OTS. people know where i went to school, and it does earn me a bit of respect.
but what really earns my reputation, for good or for bad, is everything else i do.
>>30079318
You still sound salty. This answers zero questions. You honestly sound like somebody whose time came and passed and fucked it up so takes it out on an anonymous imageboard.
>>30079371
I am salty, I'm a dried up salty old fuck. You're sweet, and soft, and young, and you're gonna get fucked by salty old men like me when you go into the service thinking you're the best thing to ever happen to them.
And no, I'm not answering any of your dumbass questions, but I'm telling you what you need to know. If you want a good military career, people in the military have to actually want to be around you.
>>30079395
>You're sweet, and soft, and young, and you're gonna get fucked by salty old men like me
allllllrighty then. wanna hold my hand when you do it to?
>>30079424
Alright kid. I'll just let whatever unlucky bastard who has to train you teach you exactly how small of a turd you are in the big ass shitter that is the united states military.
>>30079357
No. No. No. No. No. Being uniquely qualified for something in the military has no relevance because I say so.
>>30079436
You are about one post away from going full navy seal copypasta
>>30079437
that's kinda the point. you're not uniquely qualified. maybe you're more qualified, but the military's not an academic exercise. we break shit and kill people. maybe the State Department or the Diplomatic Service is where you should be. nothing wrong with that. but the DoD is in the life-taking business and we are all replaceable cogs, bottom to top.
>>30079461
Thank you, shit. Dude is acting like he's the only person on the planet who can do whatever he does. Real life isn't college and nobody is gonna give you a banana sticker for good boy points.
>>30079461
Ah. Right. I forgot that every single person in the military's sole job is to kill shit. Logistics and Intelligence aren't fundamental components that facilitate that.
And I don't know of what relevance everyone being replaceable is. Sure. Everyone is replaceable. Having educated and qualified replaceable people is good too.
>>30079480
Just shut the fuck up already man. You obviously have everything figured out and don't need any advice from us anyway.
I mean what do actual soldiers know about the military anyway?
>>30079480
... yeah you're gonna have a great time in the officer corps with an attitude like that.
>>30079497
Ill take answers to questions I asked. Not the ravings of an embittered small person who is talking about something that has absolutely nothing to do with the original purpose of this thread.
>>30079499
What? That having an education matters in any way?
>>30079508
>small person
What?
>original purpose of this thread
Was that not you asking for advice on how to have an upwardly mobile military career?
Have we not been telling you to change your shitty attitude? Do you not think maybe that's valuable advice?
Why are you even here?
>>30079155
>>30079508
Please don't join the military. Your attitude is more befitting a manager at Arby's or a moderator on reddit.
>>30079043
>>30079182
>>30079318
>>30079395
>>30079436
>>30079497
You sound like the kind of person who refers to people as civilians
>>30079516
ok, let me say this again.
i am a commissioned officer in the military with a master's degree that i earned before i started from a good school that everybody's heard of (and not just for our sports teams). that makes me unique in one way: while everybody else in my branch is working on their master's while they're an O-3 in order to make O-4 by doing Embry Riddle Online or something like that, i have an honest-to-God research master's with a dissertation and all.
so understand that when i say that my master's counts exactly as much as the one in military studies from American Military University.
it's what i do that matters. understand that or you're going to be one of the very very smart people that i watched self-eliminate from officer training.
>>30079548
I'm the salty old fuck. 4 of those posts were mine, surprisingly, more than one person thinks you're a shit.
Go Army Infantry, you'll be guaranteed Airborne school and Ranger school as an LT. After that do pathfinder, air assault, or anything else your heart desires
>>30079526
>I would want to go ground intelligence if I were to go the Marine route because I am pretty sure I could make a great case for being uniquely qualified. Plus, ground intel guys have the chance to go to selection for cool guy stuff from what I understand (MARSOC, Force Recon).
So my choice is either go Army OCS and shoot for Infantry and try to get into cool guy stuff once I make captain, or go Marine Corps OCC and try to go Ground Intel and try for Force Recon in a couple years. Which idea do you guys think is better? Bumping with cool /k/ related pics.
>definitely. good advice thanks. The only reason why I may lean more toward Marine Corps is that throughout the process of becoming an officer you can be deemed uniquely qualified, and have more "dibs" on how you want to branch than you could with Army. Is this true?
guess there are people who cant even read on 4chan.
>>30079566
Right. there definitely does seem to be more career opportunity in the Army. Do you have to make captain in order to get a shot at RASP, like SFAS, as well? Or can you make a run at it earlier in your career?
>>30079564
Good advice. Thank you. I am aware that your performance obviously matters at OCS/OTS/OCC. The general point of this is, that on top of that, would I be able to leverage everything else I have to offer. Not necessarily to just rely on that and rest on my laurels.
I'm a different guy and I want to apply to be a navy pilot, maybe NFO or some other community. What kind of stuff should I wow in my motivational statement? Which one gets more pussy, pilot or NFO?
itt one FUCKED UP lt
>>30079602
SFAS is Captain or waiting for promotion to Captain.
I believe you can attend RASP as a 1st LT
>>30079648
if you are an officer, do you pretty much have to be infantry if you want to attend RASP?
>>30079654
Here are the Officer jobs for 75th:
11A, 12A, 13A, 25A, 27A, 30A, 35D, 35E, 36A, 38A, 42H, 53A, 56A, 57A, 61N, 65B, 65D, 70B, 70H, 73B, 74A, 88A, 90A, 91A, 92A
>>30079654
>>30079675
Also if you're an Infantry officer you need a Tab before applying for rasp
>>30079640
just talk about why you want to join up. service and defending the country type stuff.
neither. the type of girls you should date and marry want stability, the type of girls who are attracted to you based on the wings on your chest are the ones you need to run away from as fast as you can.
>>30079695
i've heard that in order to get anywhere as an infantry officer you need your tab.
>>30079675
>>30079695
Awesome. Thank you!
>>30079712
Pretty much, it's the same if you want to get high up as an enlisted infantryman also. My old LT went through Ranger school four times before he got his tab
How hard is it to get an infantry contract in the USMC
Want to joking been doing research and want to go 0311 or 0331 I know you have to sign an 03xx but I don't what to be a mortar man or the other options.. Is there any specific way I can get 0311 or 0331 without going reserves
>>30079741
Join**
>>30077987
so much shit on that gun
>>30078453
is that digital nvg?
>>30079108
I wonder what happened to vietnam war helmets, did the soldiers get to keep them?
>>30077482
OP please kill yourself and never join the Army.
We have too many fucktard butterbars like you.
You are not entitled to anything except what you put in, and your attitude will make 40 other people's lives miserable.
Any good leader would take criticisms well and understand that SALTY NCO's know more about the military than you will ever know.
Go swallow a knife. From an enlisted E-4 with a degree in Rocket Science. (Military doesn't give a fuck what your education is, you are just a cog in a 500,000 cog machine)
>>30081503
dont give a fuck what any of you have to say if it doesnt answer questions I asked. Ill start giving a shit when I am in and it matters. First order of business is getting in and maximizing whatever I can to make sure that goes as well as possible.
>>30078919
>ever thinking MPs do cool shit
Even CID is mostly paperwork bro. Maybe I'll see you on the flight line one day.
>>30081503
>enlisted with a degree in "rocket science"
You're either lying, retarded or both.
>>30078453
USMC Tefelhunden , or "Devil Dogs", capturing a German MG position at Bellau wood, 1918
What do most marine officer candidates apply for? Are infantry slots competitive? What about for MI? Would it be better to go army? What about working with planes?
>>30082077
Infantry and Aviation are the most competitive branches for officer regardless of service branch.
>>30082768
I guess ill just try my best. I wouldn't mind getting stuck in a POG job as long as I get to be an officer and serve. Between the Marines and army which would be more likely to travel around? Army gets better promotions and schools right? What about the people in general between the branches
>>30082805
You're answering your own questions. Everyone outside of TRADOC is cool as long as you're not an idiot.
>>30078852
Brown water operations, counter terrorism, port security, ship security, hazmat, enviromental expertise.
The USCG is active overseas and will be vital in the fight against china in the south pacific.
>>30082888
Uscg ship with indonesian and us navy.
USCG also do a lot of stuff off ivory coast and the gulf.
>>30082805
Unless you work your way into some secret squirrel shit you aren't going to be doing much travelling. The war is winding down, people aren't deploying like they used to and we are transitioning into a garrison military. Now is the time when most people with a brain and any sort of serious career aspirations are getting out, not going in.
>>30082817
>>30083203
i guess i should just hold out until i hear back from the navy. i just wish i knew which i would like more and which i would be more effective in. i dont really have much of a career aspiration right now, just looking to serve for some time and see if i like it.
