What was/is the most ACCURATE service PISTOL ever actually fielded by a military in combat?
Picture hopefully not related.
>>30071372
because differences in accuracy are clearly visible by soldiers in war who were desperate enough to have to use their pistol
>>30071372
probably the beretta m9.
While I hate the m9 for being shitty at its job, (a backup/officer piece should be light and reliable, not heavy and unreliable) the m9 is a very precise handgun, with a good trigger. It is a very easy gun to get groups with and the heavy frame makes it have almost no recoil.
another good contestant would be the p226.
I discounted the 1911 because while the MEU ones are precise, the old ones were made to loose tolerances and were not all that accurate. They were reliable though
>>30071395
I would also like to add that precision is not and should not be the focus of a service pistol. The focus should be weight and reliability. It is a last-ditch weapon and it should work when you need it and not encumber you much
the m9 doesn't work all the time and is heavy, so I think it is shit for a service pistol. A good service pistol would be a M&P-9 or a glock or even (for its time) a makarov. Its going to be a small bullet hose that is going to be used by someone with little training on it if it is used at all.
>>30071372
SIG P210
Still considered one of the most accurate pistols of any kind, absolutely phenomenal by service standards.
>>30071394
I'm not asking whether it was useful. I'm asking the question I'm asking.
>>30071395
thanks for the thoughtful answer.
>>30071422
I understand. It's just a question of academic interest, not a quest to determine the "best" service pistol.
>>30071427
I'll have to look into that.
So basically, it's mostly modern sidearms that are the most accurate examples of their kind?
>>30071372
glawk
Heckler & Koch P9S
>>30071539
I have to rethink my answer actually, because I did not take into account revolvers and any guns I am not personally familiar with.
a colt single-action army might just be more precise than an m9 (I can't tell, I am not good enough of a shooter) You also have to look at what your definition of precise is. A 9mm may be able to have a better group at 100m than a 45LC, but the 45 might get better groups closer in.
Also you have to decide what you consider a service pistol. the FN 5-7 is not something I consider a service pistol, but the secret service uses it, and it is a very accurate weapon.
also look at weird shit like the broomhandle mauser. With that long barrel and different cartridge it may be a very accurate sidearm.
I still stick with the m9 though
>>30071372
>slavs start using this thing for sports
>win everything
>tournaments start banning it
lmao
>>30071372
On that thought, the MR73 is the French police service revolver. I know it's well known for its incredible reliability, but was out know for its accuracy?
>>30071372
That would be pretty sexy if it didn't have a tumor for a handgrip.
>>30071635
Oh, nevermind. Just reread OP's question and he was just asking about Military service pistols.
In that case, I'd +1 the SIG P210
>>30071649
MR73 is used by the GIGN, which is military.
>>30071658
GIGN is Gerdarmerie; which is a Police corps that happens to be militarized in the sense that its men are considered military personnel and conduct military operations. But their main role is regular law enforcement.
Very common in Europe.
>>30071620
good points.
I'll define accuracy as "better group at 100m"
I would not define the weapons of the secret service as a military service pistol; I'm talking about uniformed militaries which are authorized to act as the representatives of their state in internationally sanctioned open warfare.
>>30071613
I must second that but i HIGHLY oppose the fact you wrote Sig Sauer in the pic description. FUCK Sig Sauer, it is not swiss anymore, it doesnt have the quality anymore, short they should jump in a fire.
>>30071620
If we're considering revolvers too, wouldn't the Manurhin MR 73 be a contender? I've heard that they are scary accurate as well as built tough.
Being a curious newfag - how does Makarov compare to other service pistols in terms of accuracy?
>>30072191
Anything with short barrel and small slow caliber is no good.
>>30071658
It is (or was) also used by RAID, which is military.
>>30072114
Are you me?
i just wanted post that, have a pic of my sexy 210
>>30071422
M9's work, the service ones are just old and could use a trip to an armorer
>>30071620
>broomhandle mauser. With that long barrel and different cartridge
The C96 doesn't actually have a particular ly long barrel (5.5 inches, less for some versions). The overal length of the gun is enormous for a pistol because it's laid out like a rifle.
Also, check out the "9mm Mauser Export" version. (Basically 9mm Luger bullets at .30 Mauser velocities, if I recall correctly)
>>30072244
Well an instructor and dear friend of mine has an even stronger opinion. I came to the same conclusion after being drafted as armorer.
Pic related those are mine
>>30071394
You too retarded to get the point of the thread? It wasn't "what is the greatest service pistol of all time and why is it the P210" or "much troops are dying because they can't make 100yd head shots with P8s we need raceguns NOW"
Goddamn man
>>30071395
>>30071422
You really shouldn't have bothered typing. The M9 worked well enough to win trials and contracts for the mil and sure it's heavy, for a fucking CC gun. Its a service pistol, it's not even heavy for it's size.
As for the Mak being a small caliber bullet hose, where do you get the idea that a .365" caliber 8 round compact is bullet hose
>>30071372
that picture misrepresents the pistol, the webs connecting the barrel and sight rail are much smaller and fewer in number.
>>30072191
The Mak is pretty accurate, thanks to its fixed barrel. Not a tact-driver, but very very good for a compact pistol.
>>30071372
I'd guess that it (ironically) would be the Makarov, due to the fixed barrel. Mine shocked me with its accuracy, and I was just shooting offhand. It was a little tack-driver.
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>>30071613
Hmm, if we go strictly for accuracy, shouldn't the PA 1935 A on which the P210 is based win?
Of course, the P210 is better overall since it's chambered in 9 parabellum instead of 7,65 long.
>>30071658
True, but revolvers aren't pistols, if I remember my nomenclature correctly.
