What is the best assault rifle and why is it the AK74?
>obligatory ak a shit ar a best
>>30063956
Well that is just like, your opinion man.
>>30063956
OP, I mean best assault rifle as in standard issue, for infantry, not for some fag who dumps 5 grand in an ar just to be better than everyone else
>>30063956
[dust and mud jamming intensifies]
>>30063956
>assault rifle
WOW, sure is summer in here
>>30064012
>t. summer fag
>>30064012
Who said a nigger can post in this thread?
>>30064002
>Memeing intensifies
>>30063956
>bad ergonomics
>have to let go of grip to use fire selector, >selector only on one side
>rock in magazines
>have tor each around to charge the gun
>no bolt hold open
>short sight radius
>bad sights
>uncomfortable to hold
>no modularity what so ever
>can't take most sights at stock configuration
>welded construction giving it a lifetime of 10,000 rounds and meaning it's easier to throw it away than to repair it
>needs body kits and modifications to compete with modern rifles
>RIFLE IS FINE autists advicing you against making your rifle not have an disadvantage in a gun battle
AR15 is the best assault rifle.
It's so good even the russians copied over features in ak12
>>30064012
The Ak-74 feeds from a detachable magazine
The Ak-74 fires an intermediate cartridge
The Ak-74 is select fire
The Ak-74 is an assault rifle.
>>30064044
>He says unironically believing the history channel propaganda "teh AK never jams!" Meme
OP here, what about 5.45 vs 5.56?
Because it's Sako or Galil
>>30064164
Both do the same thing pretty much. 5.45 especially 7n6 is known for being a nasty round.
>>30064049
Ohhh boy
The ar15 is a shit annon
> DI/carrier tilt
> no adjustable gas out if the box unless 2000+$
> Long as fuck, unless you want a short one, and that sacrifices range or mobility for changes in demand
> Ar15 feeding, stovepiping, short stroke, list goes in
> Needs cleaning after 1000 rounds
> Changing barrel needs tools
>>30064130
>Dumping mud directly into the bolt with a shovel represents what would actually happen in a battlefield
If you want you simulate conditions of the battlefield with a mud test, it should be like this.
https://www.full30.com/video/9eef6b3a4eb6c8846a4c8dc4b8968bc4
>>30064252
>> Long as fuck, unless you want a short one, and that sacrifices range or mobility for changes in demand
Even SBR ar15's are accurate as fuck. Good thing is you can just change the upper and have a long/short ar15 in a minute.
>> Ar15 feeding, stovepiping, short stroke, list goes in
Sure, all weapons have issues, but AR15's are just about as reliable as any other assault weapon
>> Needs cleaning after 1000 rounds
Most guns do. If you get a good enough return spring, you can fire up to 2500 rounds between cleaning. Without any lube to begin with
>> Changing barrel needs tools
As opposed to the ak, where changing the barrel needs a new ak
>>30064252
I will take this b8
> DI/carrier tilt
Does not exist in DI and Carrier tilt is greatly over exaggerated even on piston guns
> no adjustable gas out if the box unless 2000+$
HWUT? You can get an adjustable gas block for $65
> Long as fuck, unless you want a short one, and that sacrifices range or mobility for changes in demand
There are plenty of 5.56 round that perform well out of a short barrel, and .300 is great out of a short barrel. I would still rather have a real rifle, than a bullpup that I cannot shoot from either shoulder.
Rifles for riflemen, bullpups for girls
> Ar15 feeding, stovepiping, short stroke, list goes in
Hurdur, all rifles can have these malfunction
> Needs cleaning after 1000 rounds
Should it be cleaned after 1000 rounds, yes. Every gun should be cleaned at least that much. If you are firing 1000 round non stop, any rifle is a bad weapon. At that point you need a belt fed weapon, or 2.
> Changing barrel needs tools
At least it wont rattle out and need wacky head spacing tools
>>30064092
>assault rifle
Whats that term mean? I dont watch the news.
>>30064358
>Confusing Assault Rifle for Assault weapon
Christ, kid.
>>30064358
Take this faggoty ass topic to /pol/
>>30064389
>>30064381
not my topic. I just have never heard of assault weapons b4.
>>30063956
>selector lever on right side which requires you to do gymnastics to use properly
>have to do a reacharound to charge it
>welded, non modular construction
>"good enough" sights
>ergonomics made for an illiterate peasant
>sight radius shorter than a weebs dick
>poor construction with a 10,000 shot lifetime before you need to get a new gun due to non-modular design
>just as reliable as most modern rifles
>less accuracy than other service rifles
>>30064402
assault weapon is a term used by media and gun control proponents to include essentially everything that's been made after 1900. though some of the more overzealous folks like to include everything made after 1790.
>>30064252
>bullpup
>muh longer barrel for same length weapon
>I-I don't n-need an a-a-ambidextrous rifle
>I can r-r-reload just as fast as an A-A-A-M16
>>30064407
Conscripted soldiers equipped with inexpensive weapons designed around volume of fire and close engagement, operating with armor support
Fits their doctrine; does the "assault" part of the assault rifle concept pretty well. Rifle is fine, though I don't think it's the best rifle ever, either.
>>30064002
[Statement questioning the validity of permitting such a thing]
>>30064464
Under some definitions it includes certain types of pre-American Revolution firearms.
>>30064776
>reliable as most modern rifles >less accuracy than other service rifles
bullpups have their up side to like being able to be used in close quarters better allowing more compact frame etc. there is a reason they are made also some are able to be used ambidextrously like p90
>>30064407
>selector lever on right side which requires you to do gymnastics to use properly
you just swipe it with your hand or finger
>have to do a reacharound to charge it
just tilt the weapon or change it before it's dry
>welded, non modular construction
weapon is fine
>"good enough" sights
sights are fine
>ergonomics made for an illiterate peasant
ergonomics are fine
>sight radius shorter than a weebs dick
sight radius is fine
>poor construction with a 10,000 shot lifetime before you need to get a new gun due to non-modular design
you'll never out shoot it
>just as reliable as most modern rifles
more so than most
>less accuracy than other service rifles
the same if not more.
>>30064130
The AK has far fewer moving parts and is more reliable than an ar.
>>30064862
P90 is weird though.
Also, very small cartridge when there are better options out there.
Riddle me this, memespouting faggots. If the AK74 is so good, why did it never integrate the clearly superior hinged dustcover of the 74u? Its not like they didn't have the opportunity when they came out with the 74m.
>>30064893
I've seen a knife fuck up. My hands have never fucked up. My hands have a shit ton more moving parts.
>>30064913
o definitely better cartridges out there for PDW like the one that is used by the cbj the 6.5 x25mm sabot round that can penetrate 10mm of steel at 50 meters and is effective out to 400 meters
>>30064934
Wow dude this is a stupid fucking post.
>>30064991
I see the point went right over your head.
>>30065022
Was that point supposed to be purposeful retardation? You can't meaningfully compare machines to a biological body part and he's talking about the rate of failure, knives don't fuck up almost ever unless you're literally retarded.
>>30063956
its only accurate at like 250 yards tho. It really depends on the scenario that you are using it in.
OP here, left for an 1 and a half thinking bread got burnt. Come back to see faggots talking about knifes and hands or some stupid shit
>>30065075
The fuckin point is, my hand has more moving parts than a knife. Why is it more reliable? Higher quality. ARs are better quality than AKs. Holy fucking shit, you are dense.
>>30064893
And where'd you learn that meme? You might want to return it it's a little dated
>>30064012
Moot proved theres not more trafic during summer a long time ago
Its ok to be a newfriend as long as you arent retatded
AK
https://www.full30.com/video/753d617d16a9cb6c09526519a0740313
>>30064838
https://www.full30.com/video/753d617d16a9cb6c09526519a0740313
Think again mate.
>>30064893
>2016
>Still believing in soviet magic
>>30065129
Autismo?
>bad ergonomics
subjective
>rock in magazines
not even sure how you can consider this a con
>have tor each around to charge the gun
sounds like you're doing it wrong
>bad sights
subjective
>uncomfortable to hold
subjective again
>no modularity what so ever
>what is the factory side rail?
>can't take most sights at stock configuration
>what is a picatinny mount for the factory side rail?
>welded construction giving it a lifetime of 10,000 rounds and meaning it's easier to throw it away than to repair it
the failure rate is pretty similar for most ARs
>needs body kits and modifications to compete with modern rifles
>implying most rifles (including the AR-15) are unchanged from their first iteration
>RIFLE IS FINE autists advicing you against making your rifle not have an disadvantage in a gun battle
>implying the shit the majority of you fucks put on your AKs gives you any sort of tactical advantage
You raise a couple valid points but the majority of your post is based on shitty opinions and hearsay. tbqf you sound like the kind of person who buys an AK, covers it in rails and then proceeds to complain that it doesn't feel like an AR.
>>30064888
noice trips for a noice post fampai
>>30065330
https://www.full30.com/video/753d617d16a9cb6c09526519a0740313
>>30064888
Trips dont lie
>>30064012
>>30065330
wew lad, meant to reply to >>30064049
>>30065353
I am not a capitalist pig, I do not need my rifle to operate in mud as I do not roll abut in dirty puddles for my enjoyment
>>30065093
>only accurate at like 250 yards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiHsavQNfxs
>>30065419
It doesn't take a big increase to bring in bullshit.
>>30065479
Butthurt?
>>30064049
you know how I know you're noguns
>>30065655
With your autismo rays?
>>30065285
How stupid are you to think this is by any means a valid test? Who takes their gun swimming through a mud bog and then expects it will work without a basic cleaning
Kill yourself
>>30065803
>AK's never jam! U can fill them up with mud and they'll still work unlike AR's!!1
>I mean that's stupid, of course it would jam! No one ever gets mud on their gun!
>>30065851
Who has claimed you can "fill them up with mud and they'll still work"?
They have looser tolerances but are still guns with moving parts you fucking mongoloid. If the parts are blocked with mud the gun won't work.
ARs have tighter tolerances.
You're a moron
>>30065803
>AKs nevah jem mate u can take a shit in it and it still works
>L1A1 SLR
>>30065851
>>30065900
>>30065915
>samefagging this hard
Show the courtroom where the AK touched you, anon
>>30065928
Still butthurt that your raifu is shit?
>>30065940
>67 percent was (You)
ok samefag
>>30065954
Are you mentally deficient? Posted to two different post.
>lul samefagging hurrrr
>>30064407
>sight radius shorter than a weebs dick
It has the exact same sight radius as an AR15
>>30065973
LOLK, whatever you say samefag
AKs still outperform ARs with torture tests
>>30066004
Ok. You're trolling. Imma ignore your shit.
>>30066011
But they do
Show me a test not tailored to the AR that is totally equal (drop, mud, frozen, heat, rounds fired) where the AK isn't a better choice
>>30066039
https://youtu.be/DX73uXs3xGU
https://youtu.be/YAneTFiz5WU
https://youtu.be/9APzYqwXckw
https://youtu.be/jn17MwQT8DI
>>30063956
>What is the best assault rifle and why is it the AK74?
I've never seen SG 550 spelled AK-74 before, must be another language or something.
>>30066114
Psssh u waking the slavbots up.
>>30064002
>>30064049
>>30065271
>>30065285
>>30065851
>>30065900
>>30066092
Every thread until you faggots learn...
Alright, you fags have forced me to put my trip back on so that on 4chinz, as in real life, I must become your shaman again: Consuming mushrooms while rolling around in the parking lot so that I might tell you the fucking truth.
Now while I have much love for Ian, this test simulates one thing: Burying an AR under mud for ten seconds and then firing it.
It does not simulate field conditions where a rifle will be exposed to adverse environments for long periods of time. It does not simulate a rifle being carried and maneuvered with in a training environment.
A better test would be something like pic related: An ugly slurry of silt containing a super fine particulate. That's the kind of mud that you're most likely to encounter. Anyone who's been to basic training at Fort Benning and done the Night Infiltration Course will tell you how nasty this shit is. While the sealed system argument is a good argument, no system is truly sealed and this kind of mud WILL ingress into an AR and if it hits the trigger group or gets applied too thickly to the receiver walls, it will fail.
Am I spouting the AR's are unreliable meme? No. It's a good rifle and after decades of continued trial and error, it's come into its own and can be relied upon.
However, it is not as rugged as an AK. The AK is interference fit on a twelve ton press and then pinned and riveted together on top of that. This makes it sturdy as fuck and its built to loose clearances. While it is still an unsealed system, these things are sturdy as fuck and can stand up to repeated impact and neglect. Should you do this?
>(cont.)
>>30066180
No. A clean rifle is a happy rifle and a little maintenance will preserve the life of the firearm. However, the flip side of this is that filth can also leave or find space within the receiver. The AR does this by making sure that 95% of that filth never gets there in the first place but it's more of a maintenance hog. It requires effort to maintain that reliability. Particular when you're dealing with something like the moon dust of the middle east: A super-fine particulate that will, like muddy water, get into everything.
Watch this video and then count how many rounds it takes the shooter to get his weapon to cycle normally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEWAbN938Ro
This would completely deadline an AR until you could do a complete garrison cleaning job on the rifle. This is why the AK has a reputation for reliability. Its not some superweapon that can fire itself clean of six inches of mud up it's bore after being dropped in a tarpit, it is a mechanical device and it can fail. It's just that it's more resistant to all of the little nicks and dings that come with running around with it innawoods and it will do so while being more forgiving about maintenance.
So when you post shitty tests that are designed to let one rifle pass while another fails from the outset, it betrays a lack of understanding as to what goes into these things.
So, the bottom line is that, just like AK inaccuracy, AR unreliability is a myth. Though, as a caveat, an AK is (slightly) mechanically less accurate than an AR while an AR is a (somewhat) inherently less Reliable design.
tl;dr: They're different but they both work and are distributed across international militaries for reasons beyond just having major state backers.
>>30066197
>For you
>>30066197
https://youtu.be/PYfGq1yk66Q
Mud like this?
>>30066268
so now you're advocating a mid 20th century semiauto french rifle in your futile bid to discredit the AK? pathetic
>>30066299
Watch and then write.
>>30066299
Why are you using the strawman argument?
>>30066197
people fail to realize that unless the bolt returns to FULL FORWARD (LOCKED) BATTERY, you cannot break it down/take it apart without literally breaking it into pieces.
>Just mortar it
can bend/break the buffer tube, and the stock locking mechanism, and doesnt guarentee the jam is going to clear. If your cam pin breaks, unless you are realllly fuckin lucky, you are not getting that bitch apart without a complete disassembly in a specific order. Not to mention if you snap your flimsyass charging handle (even if its made of 7075T6 superalum) your rifle is useless, especially if it breaks in the forward half, because now you have a CH bolt catch.
AK leaves you with essentially an open weapon to work on malfunctions, AND a cleaningrod right below the barrel to ram out stuck cases. Oh, your AK is full of mud and gritty? Do a canteen dump into its U-channel receiver and wash all that shit out.
Try getting small rocks and slush out of a AR's star-chamber.
Don't think im a slavaboo, the AR works great when it does, but if something fucks up, the headache is exponentially worse.
>>30066380
This is true, but I don't want to get that deep in the weeds and I wanted to give good faith to the design philosophies behind both rifle.
>>30066546
>>30066546
That's what I just reposted here
>>30066268
>>30066240
What is this, a Screen shot for ants?
>>30063956
Picking up this bad boy next weekend
>>30066268
Note that Ian chalks the malfunctions up to the mud that did ingress into the AR15's trigger group.
>>30066652
>Not getting a 74 with the afghan invasion style wood handguns and steel folding stock.
Kill urself desu
>>30063956
I like my Waffen Werks 74. Got it as a beater and it's flawless as far as I can tell about 1k rounds later no faults. I'm not saying that company was a shit though. Thought about getting a ddi one but they've gone up a bit. I've toyed with selling my unconverted Saiga and the WW74 but meh.
>>30066678
>Wood handguns
>guns
Anon, they're handguards
also
>Generic shietty wood
>Not the synthetic plum furnish
Top pleb
>>30066678
I plan on swapping it for the plum furniture. I just want this AK
>>30065880
>ARs have tighter tolerances
and yet they do better at holding dirt AND MUD out in THE SAME TEST THE AK WAS PUT UNDER
>>30068713
stfu nobody gives a shit about AK vs AR
>>30068713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr1tV2nsGoM
I can post videos of AK vs AR tests too.
>>30065880
>AR's have tighter tolerances
And? What does manufacturing tolerances have to do with reliability? Protip: the word you are looking for is clearances sonny
>>30068789
>literally the logical equivalent of RT
