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Would a modern version of samurai armor made of kevlar and plating be effective armour on the battlefield?
>>30039861
If everyone were using handguns, maybe.
To put it without 20 paragraphs of scientific BS that you'll attempt to argue against: Fuck no because logistics and weight.
>>30039861
Could you take something like an IOTV set and dress it up to look like a samurai from 20 feet? Sure.
Anything like the face mask, neck and leg armor is just going to make you hot and slow.
>>30039932
it'd be like jinroh but less stormtrooper and more samurai
Do you know how much that would weigh? Do you know how much rifle rated steel weighs?
>>30039861
>Designed to protect against slashing blows with edged weapons
>Firearms use Shock and Penetration to inflict damage
No. Go be dumb somewhere else, weeb.
Or did you just mean 'I want modern armor that makes me look like I spend too much time on an underwater basket-weaving forum".
That can be done. Although folks like me would shoot at you first.
>>30039861
Here you go.
>>30040572
>>Designed to protect against slashing blows with edged weapons
Samurai armor is mostly designed for mounted archery combat.
>>30039861
Will it work? Yes. Will it be useful? No.
>>30039861
No, you fucking weeb fag
If we had the material for it, we'd just make a more aesthetic knightly looking armour rather than that nip shit anyway
>>30040730
>Kevlar sallet
Muh dick
>>30039861
The plate arrangements is for close up combat. Where you can't quite take cover while inflicting harm to enemy.
>for riot police armor
OKay-tier
>soldier armor
Hell no.
>>30040723
>Samurai armor is mostly designed for mounted archery combat.
Not exactly, the O-Yoroi was, later armors and Tosei Gusoku weren't.
>>30040730
>If we had the material for it, we'd just make a more aesthetic knightly looking armour rather than that nip shit anyway
Why? Samurai armor was made to be mobile and allowed ease of movement as well as the best protection afforded to people at that time. Knight armor was big bulky and required help to even get on a horse.
>>30040809
Because we'd be using something akin to plates, so why not got for something sleek, aesthetic, covering and effective
>Knight armor was big bulky and required help to even get on a horse.
Yeah and when they fell down they couldn't get up, and it took them 10 years to swing a sword right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q
>>30040822
>Modern armor
Please. It's nothing like the heavy metals they had back in the day. There was a reason Japanese swords were so amazing AND it was unable to be done by the west. They crafted the best steel possible.
>>30040839
And now you're just obviously shitposting
baka tbqh
>>30039861
No modern version of anything would be effective on the battlefield. Modern anything is effective on the battlefield. I suggest you should grow up.
>>30039861
yeah if you used modern materials and techniques you could make somewhat bullet and shrapnel resistant armor that follows the pattern of samurai armor. the problem is that it would be heavier and more cumbersome then what we have now.
you don't need shin and forarm guards because we aren't facing blade wielding opponents anymore.
you don't need the large armored skirts or the shoulder pieces because those are ment to to stop arrows while on horseback. if they were made of a ballistic panel with ceramic composite tiles attached it would block shrapnel and some bullets but it would be pointlessly heavy and cumbersome.
generally you are either on foot and you need you mobility so that you can avoid being hit or you are inside a vehicle and then its armor is protecting you. The point of samurai armor is to protect a man seated on a horse not to protect a foot soldier.
Laminar and Lamellar armors can be done with modern materials but generally its pointless to do so. the large iron Cuirass that they wear is very similar to a body armor vest anyway.
>>30040860
i personally think that samurai armor is very cool and has it's place in history as an effective armor in the place and time period it was designed for. It wouldn't have been very effective against European weapons of the same time and it was pointlessly ineffective against firearms. It was rightfully abandoned because if armor gives you no protection then it doesn't matter how cool it makes you look.
i think it would be really cool if japan uncucked its military and designed new modern combat uniforms and somehow gave a nod to the samurai design. such as removable ballistic masks that clip into he helmet.
>>30039943
Fuck no need more stormtrooper less samurai
Those outfits kick ass
>>30040730
Imagine Dark souls badass armor as Kevlar, all the extra lil shot like scarves and sashes and capes and shit.
>>30040961
>>30040989
>>30040992
>>30039861
Japanese armor wasn't even good when it was necessary. Once Europeans established limited contact anyone with money ended up nipponing up a European shot proof infantry breastplate and cabaset.
So no you weeb faggot
>>30040989
>>30040992
>>30040999
STOP, I CAN ONLY GET SO ERECT!!
>>30039861
Jet li thought so in The One
>>30040989
>>30040992
>>30040999
This is SICK
>>30039861
Christ OP, for the last time, No.
Maybe it would be good protection from fragmentation.
>>30039861
The only traditional thing remotely close to useful against modern firearms is solid plate armor like it was used in WW1, lamellar padded shit would be structurally weaker and provide no decent deflection angles.
>>30040999
>Holding two extra mags with masking tape
>>30041169
it is stupid i agree but we dont know what kind of tape it is. The worse thing is that its fucking jousting armor. it would be extremely uncomfortable and encumbering to walk around in.
>>30040718
>>30041180
>jousting armour
Nah, it's just an oddball retarded fantasy armour with a jousting helmet that has a stags antlers taped to it
>>30040839
God damn it you faggots it is 8 in the fucking morning on a Monday its too early for this level of shit posting
>>30041152
>lamellar padded shit would be structurally weaker
if you made lamellar armor out of the same materials as you made a traditional modern body armor it would preform better then that armor because it would be multi layered. that was what dragon skin vests were.
they preformed better in the area of protection but the army killed their project by banning it.
>>30041218
Dragon skin was a load of fucking horseshit?
Is this b8?
>>30041201
i know that shithead it's obviously fantasy shit but he based several parts of it off of real jousting armor not just the helmet. those hip plates and the armpit shield and shit are from jousting armor.
>>30039861
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>>30039861
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>>30041226
it wasn't a load of horse shit. it was just not a complete design when the started selling it. it had problems with the adhesive holding the discs together in the heat. dod contractors, members of several us special operations units, military contractors, and body guards of generals wore this shit. I'm not saying it was fucking perfect. im saying it was a legitimately promising idea and they could have made it better.
>>30039861
This thread again.... no you baby downs having ass. Wear body armor once in the heat. Then wear the full iotv body set in the heat you will understand after that but you won't becuse your weeb trash.
>>30041181
lol
>>30039861
No.
Samurai armor was designed mostly to be effective against arrows when leaned forward on a horse.
Unless you get them riding superbikes, the entire design is negated.
Samurai armor, just like katana, only made sense in feudal japan.
>>30041235
>armpit shield
>hip plates
Fuck off retard
The helmet is a stechhelm, a jousting helmet
The "armpit shield" is called a rondel, which was usually a disk over spots that the plate armour didn't cover, like your elbows and armpits
Those the leg thing, are just fantasy shit, you'd have faulds attached to your breastplate hanging down, and probably Cuisses covering the leg, but not shaped at all like his retarded armour
>>30040860
Lamellar everywhere? Lamellar everywhere.
>>30041267
Oh I see, you think that retarded rondel is a grand guard, it is not
>>30041218
It's
>perform
not
>preform
You fucking mong
>>30041333
i need to go to bed
>>30041226
if you do some research you will find out that the army officer who killed dragon skin now makes million dollars working for the company that makes the interceptor body armor system.
>>30040839
>shit steel from a volcanic island was fucking awesome
Looks like someone gets all their information from Discovery Channel and bideo gaems
Is this going to be another katana thread?
>>30039861
Well done, OP.
>>30040809
God I just feel the week coming off this post. Has the video of the two guys in plate being bad asses already?
>>30041397
it's folded 6 million times dumbass
how do you think the japanese did the holocaust
>>30041042
I need moar of this plz
PLZ!
Or energy armor like dis(based on tech armor from mass effect)
>>30042376
Are you twelve?
I'm actually considering making a suit for shits and giggles, out of kydex..
>>30042376
speak english faggot
>>30042376
Damnit summer must be here
>>30042707
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>>30042707
Most schools are starting to let out. Its time for me to go in the woods for the summer.
>>30039890
Pretty much this right here.
Shit is heavy and clunky and it's not like you're still going to want to take a bullet to the face even if it doesn't penetrate.
>>30042796
What this guy said. Rather have no armor desu.
Less weight move faster, avoid get hit all together.
Getting shot with our without body armor is still gonna do a good deal of damage and had a decent chance of taking you out of the fight regardless.
>>30040992
Shields don't work for rifle fire...
>>30041218
Multiple layers is worse than one layer. Otherwise we'll be using ceramics with multiple paper-thin layers. And we don't.
Not to mention a single monoltihic block is the best way of getting the surrounding material to support the material being penetrated, instead of whatever dubious bullshit you no doubt are thinking of. On top of that, look at all those overlaps. Extra weight for no real purpose.
>>30042863
Not him, in fact was a person arguing against him, but the whole point of it being overlapping is that the disks share strength, so you can't just shove a dagger through a gap
Also lameller was p strong, there's a reason cataphract covered themselves in it
>>30042824
can you enounce more obvious facts please ?
>>30042863
>On top of that, look at all those overlaps. Extra weight for no real purpose.
>Overlaps
>Extra weight
>no real purpose
Are you aware how dragonskin is supposed to work right?
I mean it had it's fault from being heavier then the interceptor vest and failing to stay together in army tests due to heat and so on.
But what you said is wrong. It is actually extra weight for extra protection.
>>30042756
I always browse carefully during the summer. But it already seems worse than the last few years. May take a real vacation this year and shitpost from france.
>>30040839
>>30041375
why is conflict of interest allowed?
>>30042756
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>>30042979
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>>30043001
>>30043012
Maybe dicks aren't so bad after all...
>>30040718
>>30042920
You man extra weight for pointless extra protection. Not to mention if you want extra protection a thicker plate would be better in every respect.
>>30043098
A magical place
>>30039943
fine just the way it is
>>30039861
No.
You probably could construct a suit that would protect a soldier but it would also be ridiculously hot and heavy.
>>30040890
This x1000
>>30042951
is this implying soldiers go to /k/ at night or rather that cool people go to /k/ at night?
Because either way, I have to disagree for the mostpart.
>>30041273
I... Did not know I liked lamellar this much.
>>30039861
Wasn't this post here a few days ago?
Short version, no.
>>30040809
>Why? Samurai armor was made to be mobile and allowed ease of movement as well as the best protection afforded to people at that time. Knight armor was big bulky and required help to even get on a horse.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
...
Armor will never be useful.
It is much more useful to move quickly and not get hit at all. So any armor would have to reduce speed by negligible amounts for increased protection. Even then, a rifle round to the chest is going to cause hemorrhaging due to the blunt force.
>>30040890
The Japanese did make some heavier bullet-proof stuff during the warring states era, either outright copying European designs like the peascod and globose breastplates and/or just taking the broad design concepts and making it more "Japanese." But the need for armor died out with the founding of the Tokugawa shogunate and the 400-odd years of peace that followed. This is also when they put away their bows and spears and started having masturbatory fantasies about their swords being able to cut through anything.
Japan had a lot of different armor styles over the centuries, Between the crap they issued to levied peasants and the absurd decorative crap the generals wore there were some practical designs. They just got hamstrung by centuries of peace and isolation.
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/katchu.html
>>30042926
YES
>>30043672
so fucking cool
Basically it's just lemellar I've been curious about this myself. If I took a bunch of ballistic plates cut down to scale size (or ceramic) and just laced them together. It'd probably be heavy as fuck and it wouldn't work without ceramic. But in principal even back into BC times and from like at least macedon to asia that type of armor was used in metal. It doesn't work in metal or someone would of done it already the thickness needed is probably too heavy. Ceramic is too expensive to cut up and it could compromise it if you did so I never tried it. Plus modern plate carriers are pretty good, clothe armor doesn't seem as badass but there are a lot of historic examples of it working and I really like having a plate in there to go prone on. Very comfy to have a shell.
>>30043759
it implies children are on /k/ during the day. hence day/k/are.
>>30043172
>pointless extra protection
>somehow extra protection can be "pointless"
It covers the same area as normal rifle plates while being more flexible then a thicker plate.
The only problem is the weight and it failed army test due to heat problems. These problems have been claimed to have been made up to simply make the armor fail due to several reasons such as cost of production and the owner being a gigantic faggot etc.
>>30043841
>Armor will never be useful.
>actually being serious
>hurr durr we should teach soldiers to dodge bullets
>Somehow implying soldiers do not already do this
>implying manouver warfare is not what soldiers do every single day
>hurr durr muh blunt force on plate armor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x59iN4KMz4
You should educate yourself before speaking.
>>30041266
>Hoards of ar500 samurai hauling ass towards towel heads on dirt bikes
I'm losing my shit over here. We need to fund this
>>30040999
I am the commando who says "Ni!"
>>30042951
Here you go. The truth of /k/, that you people keep averting your eyes from.
>>30043759
I disagree, too. It's just crap.
>>30039861
>kevlar
no
>steel
heavy but yes
![gaint-HumanHamster-Ball[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BUmYGBu.jpg "gaint-HumanHamster-Ball[1].jpg")
guys what if we just made a big bubble out of bulletproof glass and rolled inside of it across the battlefield
checkmate, atheists
>>30044506
>>30046399
Fund this now
Rampage cuz Uwe Bol
>>30040822
All that clinking and clanking is giving me Dark Souls flashbacks.
