Shot a 45-70 for the first today I must own one now what does /k/ recommend?
>>30036430
Depends how you wanna define best. 1886 copies are amazing, but they're expensive. Single shots are fun and cheap, but not as satiafying. Marlins are middle of the road price wise, but quality is meh at best.
>>30036471
This depends on the Marlin to be frank. Some old ones are fantastic, some are shot out. Some new ones are good, some are crap.
Get a Ruger #1 and make some fuck off level handloads.
Saw a review on a Henry and it looked nice.
>>30036430
Marlin 1895
>>30036471
Whats the difference between a 1886 or a 1895
>>30036817
1895 is Marlin, 1886 is Winchester/Browning. They're not really comparable except they're both lever actions.
>>30036866
Of course, there is also the Winchester 1895, though I don't know if that was ever made in 45-70.
405win will get the job done.
>>30036895
Of course it was made in 45-70
>>30036895
Correct, they did not. It's a box magazine, smokeless powder rifle (the Winchester 1895 that is). Not something that would befit the 45-70 at the time.
>>30036920
I think it was really that they just wanted their new rifle to be chambered in new calibers, namely 30-40 krag at its release. They likely could have made it in 45-70, but they already made several rifles that did that fine anyways.
>>30036917
I am dumb
>>30036817
1886 was the first rifle using JMB's new locking system.
Winchester 1895 is basically an 1886 with a box mag instead of a tube mag, and a different alloy for the frame. It's somewhat stronger and the frame weighs less if you get a 2nd or 3rd model with the scalloped receiver and less-boxy mag (though both originals and repros had enough different barrel profiles and lengths available total weight is a total grab bag). If you pay less than $3500 for a first model with the slab-side receiver and boxy mag regardless of the condition it's in, keep it for 2 years and throw it on GB for 5 grand.
I don't know enough about the Marlin 1895 to tell you much about it, other than it's side-eject instead of top-eject.
>>30037078
No, you're just wrong. Everyone is once in a while. Even (especially) me.
>>30036920
There are significant numbers of factory-rebarrels from either .38-72 or .40-72 to .45-70, many of which can be supported by a factory letter from the Winchester Archives in Cody, WY. Further, there have been at least 4 custom-order guns that have surfaced in .45-70 that can be supported by the Winchester Archives as leaving the factory as .45-70, but it was not a production caliber.
>One rifle was made in .450 Nitro Express and was gifted to President Theodore Roosevelt
>it was the only lever-action rifle made in .450 Nitro Express
>he actually shot things with it, it currently resides in the Crossroads of the West museum in Cody, WY as part of the Winchester Archives (along with 4 other rifles and 2 shotguns of his)
>>30037229
Really now? Neat.
>>30037258
More info please
>>30036430
Best quality? Miroku. But since I'm not a rich man myself, I'd probably just get a Marlin.
>>30037258
Yup. I go to the museum every summer since I go to the WACA convention in Cody. I've seen the .450 Nitro 1895 first-hand (have actually handled it, under the very overbearing supervision of their arms historian, for research purposes into wood shrinkage).
I've also seen 2 of the 4 known factory .45-70 1895's, and have handled one of them. Julia's sold the first known one in 1997, caused a hell of a stir in the collector community. Rock Island Auction sold the second one 2 years ago for nearly a quarter million. Both companies bring their high-grade collectible Winchesters to the show, both to drum up business and to get more knowing eyes on them (a fuckup on the description of a rifle that may sell for $30,000 will sink the auction, and since they don't specialize in Winchesters their "specialists" do miss stuff with some frequency).
Also, the Winchester custom shop would basically make anything you wanted. Sometimes even if it's a really, really dumb combination (such as the 36" barreled, full-octagonal, full-mag .32-20, double-set-trigger, pre-1898 m1894 Deluxe I've seen that's fully supported with a factory letter)
>>30036503
>Ruger #1 loads
>300 grain bullet
>with a 58.3 grain charge
>and 3733 ft-lbs of muzzle energy
Jesus fucking Christ.
>>30037387
Those 300gr JHPs are a hell of a drug.
But why limit yourself to 300grs?
>>30036430
A new Marlin 1895's is probably the best low cost option. They have the best aftermarket (say if you want rails like in the pic).
Henry's are much nicer IMO if you want traditional styling and don't mind the tube loading system.
The Miroku Winchesters are quite nice guns but much more expensive.
>>30036503
Ruger single-shots are good guns and you can load them to truly dangerous levels of recoil. Downside is that they are stupid expensive.
>>30037387
You could probably kill a T-Rex with one of those rounds.
>>30037467
>stupid expensive
Nigga this ain't even the cheapest one on gunbroker. They are only expensive if you get a fancy one. But you are recommending a Henry over a marlin, so your taste is pretty garbo obviously.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/559313982
>>30037387
>63gr Alliant RL 23
>500gr Hornady DGX seated to half an inch
>1710fps for 3200lb-ft of energy from a 26" barrel
>shoulder-crushing recoil but Abrams-penetrating penetration
>>30037522
>700 bux
>4 bids, 5 days to go
>reserve not met
Nigger that's gonna sell for at least $1500.
>>30037501
You could kill a T-Rex with a .308 and walmart-tier softpoints. They were big, but not particularly durable.
>>30036507
>not side loaded.
no thanks.
>>30037979
Agreed side load or gtfo
Marlin's are good
>>30037427
>That spitzer point .45-70 on the right
Goddammit I did not need an erection right now.
>>30038721
Whats superior about side load lever actions?
>TFW I will never own an original black powder trap door springfield in glorious .45-70 govt
y live
>>30037576
>what wrists?
>>30042613
Sequoias are real??
Another reason Fallout:New Vegas is THE GOAT
>not getting a Sharps
Quigley would be ashamed.
>>30036430
.444 marlin is comparable and cheaper
>>30042670
it's the Magnum Research BFR, comes in 31 flavors of rifle and magnum revolver cartridges, you now realize you want one
>>30042670
If only it looked as good in real life as it did in game.
>>30043354
Lever action in current production beats relic 19th century single shot.
>>30043406
>remlin anything outshooting a Sharps
>>30043401
the Jews always get my sheckles some way or an other.
>>30043511
>Jews
You mean moonies friend.
>>30043405
Oh, but it does! Not at all good looking, but it holds a place as the biggest and barest.
>>30043405
Look up the Century Arms Model 100, pretty much exactly the Ranger Sequoia, and some were made in .50-90 for those who thought that .45-70 was for pussies
>>30041097
that thing's a fuckin Minie Ball.
>tfw you will never take off an entire limb from that illiterate Irish conscript at Gettysberg
>>30045545
>tfw you will never be the one to kill Stonewall in a grey on grey accident with that bullet
>>30036644
I have a 1895 Guide Gun, bought it 12 years ago. I have not been kind to it. It gets wet and muddy annually, use it to pig hunt in the bottom lands which is very swampy in areas.
No complaints. I really like the aftermarket ghost ring, very handy for quick shots in the bush.
>>30037387
>>30037576
Some of my loads match or exceed this in an 18.5" barrel from my bolt action.
>400gr JSP at 2050ft/s
>500gr LGS at 1820ft/s
Recoil is fine desu
>>30046151
>>30042532
Nothing anon, in all practical purposes it doesn't matter one bit.
>not building your own falling block rifle
>>30042532
Well at least specifically comparing to the henry there isnt a fucklong rod you have to pull out first.
>>30047810
>henry owning poorfag detected
side load is easier to do, and does not require to to disassemble the tube mag. Anyone who claims Henrys are good guns was too poor to buy a good new Winchester/uberti, and too stupid to buy a used marlin.
>>30047816
>tfw dream is to get enough of a machine shop to make my own martini henrys in all kinds of big ass
Magnum Opus would be a massive one in .50 BMG or 20mm.
