What's /k/'s Opinion of Death squads?
Are they Operator?
ITT: Death Squad Thread
literally cartoon villains
By definition, they spend their time attacking unarmed civilians instead of armed combatants.
They're the military equivalent of that one kid who got held back for several grades and ends up as a 14 year old 6th grader beating up the other kids.
teeny tiny m16
>>30033042
>military equivalent of that one kid who got held back for several grades and ends up as a 14 year old 6th grader beating up the other kids.
That's every officer and nco in the military.
>>30033042
somebodies got to purge the wormtongues of the world
>>30033022
Since i live in Latin America, i can say it's almost a national tradition in every South America country, mostly of those Death Squads are Off-Duty Cops and citzens tired of urban violence, so they Squad up and go hunting drug-dealers and shit,
Some are very nice guys and do it for fun,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte
This guy is exciting. He's a philipino mayor who's very into "extrajudicial justice" and he's just been elected president. To answer your question, I think that the moral high ground must be earned. You can't act like a criminal in your dealings with criminals, otherwise the line gets too blurry too fast. I'm all for the execution of certain individuals within certain context, just don't be a fucking bogan about it. Pinochet did this well, as did Mussolini with the mafia back in the 1920's. There's more examples of this I'm sure.
>killing unarmed civilians
how is that special? the kid in the natural selection shirt can do that.
>>30033053
>ass blasted private
>>30033175
Doing it to thousands, if not tens of thousands. Kid in the shirt does school shooting, deathsquad does ethnic cleansing.
>>30033022
Depends on who you're talking about
Latin America had some badass examples, some such as the Kaibiles that are professional soldiers trained by U.S. SOF and turned loose on insurgents/troublesome population.
Others such as AUC of Colombia that are outright criminals involved in the drug trade, basically a mafia
In the Balkan wars, many paramilitary groups were made up of ex-cons and football hooligans. Not exactly operators, but certainly brutal killers.
>>30033104
>Pinochet
>moral high ground
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_of_Death
>>30033022
Why very effective, depending on their training. The last time my family had a massive quarrel, my grandpapi got assasinated by his own nephews.
>>30033022
Casuals
>>30033263
killing intelligensia IS the moral high ground.
>>30033042
I've never bullied
>>30033022
Fuck that shit, I want to know how the guy on the right got a 5.56 milled AK.
>>30037762
It's not 5.56
>>30033022
>Are they Operator?
No.
Basically get a bunch of people that don't mind killing, and send them to an unarmed guy. They are just as operator as an 11B doing a door-knocking.
>>30033022
Depends on the country.
>>30033104
>Pinochet
>Mussolini
Are you one of those retards who thinks that dictatorships and oppression are okay as long as they are anti-commie?
>>30038059
Franco was a good guy
>>30033051
I think he's just a big guy. I wonder if I pull his mask off, will he die?
>>30038407
No he wasn't. Freedom haters out!
>>30038612
Commies should be shot
Dream job
>>30033042
yup
>>30038612
Better than what the commies would have done.
>>30038798
How do you know that?
Jugoslavia did quite well and so did many other eastern european countries until they started to do better than the Soviet Union. Manufacturing of originally east German products were transferred from eastern Germany to Russia in order to keep the East German economy down.
In Czechoslovakia it was the leftist commies who tried to take the country on to a different route to non-Soviet socialism and that's why they were crushed by the Soviets. Spain would've been a whole continent away from Soviet sphere of influence meaning they would've been free to go on their own route towards communism. Maybe their socialism would've resembled more the scandinavian model of socialism.
>>30038612
>Communist calling literally anyone a freedom hater
>Communism
>The exact opposite of economic freedom
Whether or not you support or oppose communism, its a fact the very core of Marxism is the removal of economic freedom.
>>30038974
And Marxists would argue that to be truly economically free is to be free of economy.
>>30033032
>first post always best post
>>30033042
>second post just so happens to be second best post
Casuals
>>30039026
>free of economy
As long as there is demand for anything that's literally impossible, and the only way for there to be no demand is through repression.
Repression isn't freedom in case you did t know.
>>30039130
not >>30039026 , but what about full-scale automation?
>robots provide food, water, shelter, and transportation free of cost
>live ezpz forever
>wall-e.jpg
>>30038592
I think it might be extremely painful, for you of course.
>>30033022
My uncle was in a death squad back in El Salvador, he ran with them for about a year and a half before he deserted.
He had some really fucked up stories he would tell my dad
Scary thing. I remember that Vice doc about the homeless being killed to make the areas nicer in south america. Horrifying stories. Also in China, not so much death squads but mass arrests of homeless, mainly street kids.
>>30033032
Made me lel
>>30039130
Yeah you can think whatever about that statement but that's what they argue.
I personally believe that humans can't rid themselves from economic realities completely but that's why I'm not a marxist.
>>30039245
>Also in China, not so much death squads but
Considering how they treat falun gong they might as well be death squads. I don't know shit about falun gong and they might as well be a violent cult trying to seize power but that doesn't justify the torture and summary executions that's going on in China. Civilized nations use deprogramming and therapy to deal with cultists.
>>30037762
Arsenal makes them
>>30037801
Wrong
>>30033022
Not operators, more like public servants. They don't do it for the money, they want their communities safe from the red menace.
I think it's a noble cause for countries that don't want Holodomor or current year Venezuela happening to their neighbors.
>>30033022
The Judean People's Front has an elite suicide squad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHk2RSMCS8
>>30033053
>Yeah bro I got out after my contract is over because I learned how the machine really runs.
>I swear I wasn't barred from reenlistment because I was caught in the barracks snorting my own tears out of a gay hookers asshole
>>30033022
Didnt the new philline president run it?
He admitted to killing like 3 guys(he couldn't remember how many) "3 or so months ago in an interview.
>>30038913
Just go...
>>30033022
Uncle is from El Salvador. Said worst 'death squad' type dudes were a bunch of friendly looking middle aged guys who turned up in places dressed like they were off to a dominos or a cards game, driving worn out family sedans. They would do weird shit like stopping to buy cigarettes or pick up stuff from the cantina on the way home. Terrifying
>>30033022
Considering they were one of the factors that motivated my dad to get the fuck out of El Salvador and make it to the US during the 80s, I'd say I quite like them.
>mfw I got to be born and raised in this based country
>>30040587
r u me
>>30039325
>Civilized nations use deprogramming and therapy to deal with cultists.
>>30033022
>operator
No, they are criminals and murderers. Fucking scum.
A government has to deal with social problems and find solutions, not send some coked up thugs to massacre the poor.
>>30040598
Blame the cultists for starting the fire and burning themselves to death
>B-but it was obviously the suber ebil FBI! and not the insane innocent armed cultists
>>30033022
necessary for bringing peace back to our restless nation desu
>>30040617
>implying sending coked up thugs to massacre the poor isn't a solution
>>30040646
The atf accidentally burned down Waco with flares because they're incompetant. Not because they're evil.
>>30033022
Someone ID the guns of the left and middle thugs please.
>>30033022
The fact that they're hiding their face in some 19th century train robber manner shows what scumbags they are
>>30040984
>Left
clearly a Galil
>middle
maybe a Colt Commando? third world shitholes always have vintage guns like that.
>>30040587
Ruben Blades pls go
>>30033032
You must not travel outside the first world often, yeah?
>>30033104
>Pinochet did this well,
Free Helicopter Rides for Everyone!
>>30033263
>implying morality is not subjective
Someone's gonna get a helicopter ride...
>>30033022
Oooh shooting civilians, real impressive. Almost as badass as shooting sheep in a pen.
Yawn.
>>30041128
>implying subjective morality is an excuse
Is there something wrong with you?
>>30041128
>subjective
uh, no. sure the more esoteric stuff is subjective, but rounding up farmers and poor people who don't care for your regime IS amoral.
>>30041116
For all the death squads of South America it was relatively light in Chile.
I seem to remember it was less than 10,000 missing for all the years Pinochet was in power.
>>30033104
>if you do drugs i'll kill you
he has some growing up to do, idk maybe in shithole spanish controled asian islands thats ok but not here in freedom land, at least it wont be soon
>>30041150
But a regime fanatic would argue that it's moral to protect your country and your future from destruction caused by dissent.
>>30041540
>it's moral to kill people who disagree with you
yeah, no.
>>30033022
Stupid thread. The more interesting question is, would /k/ join a death squad?
Some FBI agents stop by, asking you to remove some trailer trash and homeless people. They give you equipment and a few hundred dollars per killed family.
What would /k/ do?
>>30041563
Is it more moral to stand by and do nothing as your country, your people, and your way of life is ruined by people who only want to see themselves at the top instead of you?
If you simplify sociopolitical issues like death squads to "people that kill people who disagree with them" and call it immoral, then by the same logic the US entering Afghanistan to kill as many Taliban as possible rather than just going after the very few responsible for terror attacks is immoral when the only thing a goat herder who joined a faction of the Taliban could have possibly done wrong to anyone in the US is disagree ideologically.
>>30033042
>By definition, they spend their time attacking unarmed civilians instead of armed combatants.
>I don't know how things are in real life, the post.
What you are talking about are cartels or leftist "brigades". Death Squads are military/police and even trained civilians that kill criminals, they are a necessary evil. It is a fact that when death squads appear, live is safer for the general population.
>>30033022
>killing unarmed civilians with crude improvised weapons
>supporting freedom hating authoritarian regimes
Nope.
>>30041806
You tell them meine freunde.
>>30041759
Tl;dr
it's immoral to kill people that you disagree with no matter how you spin it. and it's not "simplified" that is what death squads do you fuckin psycho. your life will not be ruined because somebody said "Boy i sure wish we had a different guy in charge"
i could care less about afghanistan, but it may very well be immoral to kill goat fuckers.
Coming to Europe soon !
>>30041691
Depends, is it purge day?
>>30041855
Oh okay so you just don't actually want rational reasoning to your morality you just want an easy conditional to say without thinking about it..
>>30041691
>Trailer Trash
>only people who use this term are people who dislike lower income whites
Become a Death Squad Death Squad.
>>30041935
>implying trying to justify death squads is rational.
sure thing bud. you keep purging thsoe damned "undesirables" you doing God and the regime a favor.
>>30041855
There is nothing immoral about killing communists, leftists, shitskins, and traitors
>>30041979
A defining characteristic of Asperger's is a lack of empathy.
>>30041993
Glad you agree.
>>30042004
Yep, feels pretty good to be able to understand the point of view of a regime fanatic in a third world shithole while I have absolutely no connection to it instead of thinking "WELL DATS JUST WRONG" like an aspie.
>>30033263
Fuck those commies.
>>30040617
>No, they are criminals and murderers.Fucking scum.
You are as deluded as the retarded leftists redditors that pretend to go the "help" the poor in Africa. You can put your morality up your ass and keep it there.
Tell you what, let's change sides for a year, me in your cozy suburban neighborhood and you in the shithole in pic, full of robbers, youth gangs, drug dealers and corrupt cops and see if you sing the same song afterwards.
>>30041759
You are talking about a guy who deposed a democratically elected government and established a brutal dictatorship because he didn't like the way things might have gone. If you believe in freedom and democracy, it isn't up to you to take matters into your own hands, it's up to you to cast your vote and respect the democratic will, even if you are wrong. In a democracy it is your patriotic duty to respect the rights and choices of your countrymen.
>>30042031
Oh, you see, i thought you meant that it's fucking retarded to think that empathy and morality were the same thing.
You see, you can empathize with Jeffrey Dahmer and still understand he was an amoral psycho fuck.
But it seems i was mistaken. Please don't run off to columbia and kill some people.
>>30042109
In Venezuela, Hugo Chávez was democratically elected and look how the country is now, the have to queue hours to get fucking toilette paper, they have no freedom of speech, and since this is /k/ no guns to protect themselves from a crazy wave of crime, much of it, state sponsored, but hey! they respect the choices of their fellow (brainwashed) countrymen, so they have the high moral ground.
LOL No.
>>30042124
Please kill yourself, illiterate aspie.
>>30038974
M80 economic freedom (in this case meaning the freedom to start a business and run it however you want) is by its nature a freedom that only a fraction of the population is even capable of exercising, and an even smaller fraction is actually interested in exercising. Yet having such freedoms inevitably impoverishes the majority and provides a minority with unparalleled wealth and political power. So you are essentially defending a freedom that only a tiny fraction of the population actually exercises, yet leads to massive economic inequality and the erosion of freedoms for everybody else.
Libertarians seem to religiously defend particular sets of rights without actually thinking about whether or not such rights actually enhance freedom for the majority of people. They just take it for granted that they do and accuse anybody who questions it of being Stalin.
>>30042154
Please seek help, you psycho aspie.
>>30041855
>morality is defined by common view of a certain culture
kek
gotta love jewish liberalism
>>30041691
>What would /k/ do?
Unless they were asking me to kill niggerjew jigaboos and liberals I'd politely decline.
>>30042183
>it's not immoral to kill folks because they disagree with you
i feel like we're going in circles here.
>>30042143
Right, I'm sure that massive sanctions, drought, and the collapse of oil prices (on which the Venezuelan economy almost entirely relies) had nothing to do with the current situation.
And I'm also sure that you're conveniently forgetting the massive increases in literacy, public health, and standards of living that occurred while under Chavez.
In any case you're totally missing the point. If you believe in freedom and democracy, you have a duty to respect the democratic will of the people, even if you don't agree with it, and even if people want to enact retarded policies. That's how democracy works, it isn't "you are free to vote however you want, but only if you vote how I want you to."
If you don't believe in freedom and democracy then just say so and admit you are a freedom hating fascist.
>>30042209
The formation of power bases through violent means is a natural thing.
Suppressing dissent through violent force is natural.
You're trying to use human ideals to describe animal actions.
>>30042183
Just ignore him and hope he dons a trip so you can add him to your block list. It's like Zed except on accident.
>>30039577
>suicide squad
AAAAAAAAAYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AYYYOOO
*smacks lips profusely*
SO HOL UP HOL UP
*steals*
SO U BE SAYIN
*gets jiggy wit it*
SO HOL UP U BE SAYIN
*eats a skittle*
AAAYYYOOO SO U BE SAYIN
*checks for nearest KFC*
U BE SAYIN
*collects welfare*
HOL UP HOL UP
*licks teeth and smacks lips*
AYYYOO U BE SAYIN
*does the crip walk*
SO U BE SAYIN
*opens a up a 40 and pours some for his homies trayvon and michael brown*
HOL UP SO U BE SAYIN
*tweets about dis and goes to check in with his parole officer*
WE GON BE
*dindu nuffins*
FINNA WE GON BE
*sucks air through teeth*
AYYYOO HOL UP WE GON BE
*pulls up sagging pants*
SO WE GON BE
*instinctively looks around for police*
SO U SAYIN WE GON BE
*faints and then gets up repeatedly*
SOM FINNA
*scopes dem titties*
SO WE GON BE
*shouts at movie theater screen*
SOM FINNA
*chucks spear*
AYYYOO SOM FINA
*sets down cotton bale*
HOL UP
*strokes welfare check pensively*
WE GON BE
*throws gang sign*
SOM FINNA
*swings from basketball hoop*
WE GON BE
*grabs dick and shuffles left and right*
SOM FINNA
*participates in a drive-by shooting*
HOL UP MUH NIGGUH
*converts to Islam*
U SAYING WE GON BE
*repeated World Star yelling in the background*
SOM FINNA
*sells crack*
SUUUUU SIIIIIIIII SQUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*evolves from a primate*
>>30042209
>>30042221
All of politics is always violence
>>30042221
>wild animals kill each other for the slightest reasons therefore i should be allowed to
yeah, nah.
I'm tickled by all the death squad support when Autists would probably be like 4th against the wall after:
1: Personal enemies of the new leadership
2: make-believe national boogeymen
3: Personal enemies of the death squads
4: Autists, retards, gays, etc
And so many people going "Oh but it will help the community" talking out their asses because they're wannabe school shooters who like to fantasize about someone doing it for them.
>>30042230
literally this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence
>>30042230
Not always, that's certainly a part of it, but there's also the very important factor of belief and willful compliance. If all of politics were based around violence alone then ideologies wouldn't exist.
>>30042210
Democracy in, and of, itself is immoral because it does nothing to protect the rights of minorities.
>>30042230
Exactly
All power is maintained through the threat of violence.
>>30042238
You don't feel your level of understanding makes you less of a person?
>>30041483
>Duterte
Made my hometown less of a shithole. I welcome the philippines new president, hopefully the philippines becomes more like singapore.
>>30042256
It does if there's a constitution.
>>30042265
>if there's a constitution
Iran has a constitution.
>>30042265
Are you referring to America, which is not a democracy?
>Leadership is always through violence
>Lol what is the EU where everyone just debates everything all the time
>I grew up in US suburbia often fantasizing of being a comic book villain
>>30042270
So then have a better constitution, lots of constitutions grant protection for everybody based on race, sexuality, gender, disability, etc. This is like high school law class level of political theory m8, it's not hard to understand.
>>30042277
>I've never read any political theory but here's my opinion on sociopolitical issues that I only just thought about now xDDDDDD
>>30042275
Let me guess, you are about to tell me that it's a "Republic"?
>>30040959
>accidentally
>not noticing the fucking M60 flamethrower tank they brought in
>>30042277
How old are you?
You don't seem old enough to be on this site.
>>30042288
>Bhutan
Sorry, not everything works in the Animal Kingdom terms 4chan loves to speak in.
>>30042292
The USA's government is a despotic bureaucracy.
>reddit image
>>30042292
A representative republic does not meet the definition of a democracy, so please, tell me where you're going with your deliberate enigmatism.
>>30042288
>>30042298
Any counterpoints or are you guys already tapped for debate?
>>30042286
im just being pedantic settle down
>>30042288
If you think that leadership is only ever through violence then you are the one who needs to review political theory.
The state is defined by its monopoly on the legitimate use of coercion yes, but if it's power was based on that alone then not only would ideologies and propaganda not exist, but most states would be in a constant situation of repression and authoritarianism.
States draw the majority of their power from genuine belief and willful compliance, people follow the state's laws and conform to its wishes because they hold a certain worldview which they believe is embodied/protected by the state. Countries that lack the consent of the governed and rely only on coercion to maintain power usually end up with revolutions on their hands pretty quickly.
>>30042315
Are there any counterpoints to the easter bunny existing?
Checkmate atheists.
>>30042315
Was this a debate?
It seemed like your internal monologue on self-ignorance.
>>30042314
Actually it does. If it is "representative" it has democratically elected officials who govern on behalf of the population. That makes it a democracy, unless you are limiting your definition of democracy to direct democracy and nothing else. A "republic" is literally just any government that doesn't have a monarch, at least by the modern definition.
>>30042328
Of course ignorance and belief are necessary to ''strengthen'' government but the threat of violence is without doubt the glue of government.
If you think ANY government could continue to exist without threat of violence I'd like to hear why.
>>30042330
>>30042349
Ok, I'll make it super simple then:
Bhutan and a number of smaller nations serve as a counterpoint to your all politics is violence theory. This is your third chance to counter, I don't know why you keep ducking it.
>>30042369
>>30042330 was my first reply to you, you silly goose
>>30038913
>Scandinavian socialism
When will this fucking meme die?
The Scandinavian countries are by no means socialist. The means of production are firmly in the hands of private citizens rather than the State, and private property rights are protected.
For fuck's sake, the US has a higher corporate tax rate and more stock market/banking regs than ANY of the Nordic countries; most of them don't even have minimum wage laws! Places like Sweden and Norway used to be the most free market countries on earth until their relativity recent turn to the left. Even today they score rather highly on measures of market freedom (although they becoming increasingly more restrictive and less free).
Even in terms of /k/ shit the Scandinavian countries are fairly free, compared to most of the world. All of them allow citizens to own Semi-auto rifles and pistols with no AWB or mag capacity restrictions, you just need licencing, and serveral get into the top ten of countries with the most guns per capita.
>>30042227
made me giggle
>>30042369
>expelled ethnic minorities
>NO THREAT OF VIOLENCE HERE GOYS
Why am I responding
I bet you heard about "EBIN BHUTAN" on reddit and thought it was so le cool
>>30042353
Republics, by the actual definition, are democracies with government limiting charters in place. You just prefer one word over the other.
>>30042383
Iono, I keep getting replies in twos so I assumed it was the same two.
>>30042360
I never said that coercion wasn't essential, I just said that it's not the most important part. If people don't believe that their government is legitimate, then the power of coercion alone won't be enough to prevent its downfall. This has happened countless times throughout history. The coercive power of the United people is almost always greater than the coercive power d the state, revolutions only fail when they are unable to mobilize enough belief in their cause to secure the willful compliance of the population.
>>30042390
Concentration of your genetic pool isn't the same as threatening violence on your own people.
One's commendable ones deplorable.
>>30042270
>A Theocracy with a presidential figure head is the same as a Democracy
No
>>30042385
Scandinavia isn't socialist in a strict sense of the term, but they have implemented socialist policies to a greater extend than most western nations, and it has worked out extremely well for them.
>>30042406
Can you read further down in the thread a wittle bit?
>>30042387
I live to please friendo
>>30041806
m8, have you even looked up what most death squads do?
>kill criminals
Ya know, like political dissidents and the homeless. Truly, these are hardened, irredeemable monsters that must be purged. Columbia and its people are so much safer with its unarmed, poor, and civic minded gunned down in sewers and slums.
>>30042496
>political dissidents and the homeless
>unarmed, poor, and civic minded
Choose one and only one. Even Burgerstan's political dissidents and homeless are shitstains,
>>30042505
>I have absolutely no understanding of how poverty and socioeconomics work.
>>30042516
>I have absolutely no understanding of basic human psychology when in a disadvantageous situation by choice or circumstance
Let me guess, you live in Seattle. Go to Detroit or Benton Harbor and see how long you last.
>>30042540
Nobody said that criminals aren't dangerous. You just seem to have an extremely skewed view of the causes and results of crime and poverty.
>>30035099
I laughed
>>30033053
Kek pretty much
>>30042407
>but they have implemented socialist policies to a greater extend than most western nations
No they haven't
>and it has worked out extremely well for them.
They are just a white country, it doesn't matter what policy they have
Well, they used to be white, now Sweden is in rapid decline
>>30040617
Any time people defend themselves from Islam, you leftist retards blame the people being attacked by Islam and not Islam itself. Israel is somehow evil for defending itself. Europe is somehow evil for defending itself from 400+ years of Islamic aggression (crusades), etc.
>>30041128
Subjective morality is the EXACT same thing as no morality.
>>30041691
"Trailer trash" tends to be armed.
>>30043006
?
What sort of "objective morality" exists then?
>>30042996
They are useful idiots getting their opinions from traitors or foreigners(jews)
>>30041128
>muh moral relativity
This is the exact mentality that is killing the West
>>30038974
>Whether or not you support or oppose communism, its a fact the very core of Marxism is the removal of economic freedom.
Motherfucker, if you want to have a wedding ring, you can have a wedding ring. If you want to have a car, you can have a car. If you want a house, you can have a house.
Communists don't give a shit until you say you want to own an apartment building and charge other people for living there. Because that is unearned income.
>>30043025
Poor colombian farmers and villagers tend to be the same. That's why the death squads are armed like in OP's pic.
>>30042163
Eat shit, I don't work for others I work for myself and I will not be pressed into your commie work group. Funny how it all changes when the government runs the business cause they're so different from the execs you hate
>>30041128
Here's the thing.
Morality is relative, it's relative to individuals, societies, classes, professions etc. Depending on your situation and the norms of your culture your moral imperatives will be different.
It isn't relative to anything else. Morality is a real thing which arises as a result of social interactions which follow the laws of nature and evolution.
Go ahead, try to argue for cognitivist moral non-positivism, I fucking dare you m8.
Now, is it moral to kill innocent people? Sure, during a war, is it moral to kill innocent people on purpose to cause social or political change?
I cannot think of any possible situation where this would be moral, however I am a fallabilist pragmatist so if someone honestly believed that they were being moral I would not argue with them I would just try to kill them or bring them to justice.
While I agree with certain folks in this thread saying that society's morals need to become less subjective, I think that when you are talking about specific people morals/ethical theory is a lot less relevant than when you are talking about societies, there's no moral capitol within a person except for the conscience, and people who aren't that person need not consider it.
Better to not consider the morals of others and just kill them when they fuck with us.
>>30042163
Because libertarians are also minarchists they are less concerned with freedom and more concerned with preserving society and preventing corruption and waste in government.
Being libertarian means protecting liberties, not the freedoms that result from these liberties.
>>30033022
>Skinny DYEL lanklet on the left
Wow. Do they even lift?
>>30033086
>Oh shit, that rapist was actually an innocent family man just trying to make a living for his wife and three kids?
>Good thing we're wearing masks so we can't be held accountable for our actions
>...Shit, sorry 'bout that though
>Well...See ya!
>>30039562
I think it's 2 part justice, 2 parts boredom, 2 parts safety, and 3 parts violence for the sake of violence.
Lots of reasons WHY people would up and take arms, but for the most part, I think people are just itchin' to shoot something.
>>30043539
>ok I admit our policies don't work
>but we're defending teh true principles!
>vote Johnson
>>30041128
morality - principles (truths) concerning the distinction between right (true) and wrong (false)
morality simply seeks to find the difference between true and false and that conclusion is the moral one. for example, a guy who claims to be a female to use female bathrooms is immoral because he is not distinguishing reality from lies. government claiming to use tax dollars for publicly beneficial means and them using them to throw parties with steak and lobster is immoral. stop equating morality with what you perceive societally beneficial dogma to be. morality defines natural law based on objective truths.
>>30042210
>Right, I'm sure that massive sanctions, drought, and the collapse of oil prices (on which the Venezuelan economy almost entirely relies) had nothing to do with the current situation.
And then why didn't the government invest that money responsibly in infrastructure, industries, etc to keep the society afloat if the prices plummet, which happened the last years anyway? could be because Chavez and his cronies were enriching themselves and giving free handouts to their illiterate leftist supporters? nah, it coudn't be because of that, let's keep afloat the socialist dream and blame ii to capitalism.
>And I'm also sure that you're conveniently forgetting the massive increases in literacy, public health, and standards of living that occurred while under Chavez.
LOOOL, do you at least understand spanish to see what the situation was? the massive brainwashing in the educational system, the plummeting in standards?
>If you don't believe in freedom and democracy then just say so and admit you are a freedom hating fascist.
If democracy is an excuse to destroy personal liberties, economic freedom, and freedom of speech, like it happens in all latinoamerica, then fuck democracy and fuck it in the ass, because is the rule of the mob.
>>30043873
No you tard, I'm not a member of the party because I believe in gradual change and reject utopianism, I'm a Republican (though I hope the republicans will die out)
I care about protecting liberties more than freedom simply because individual rights are so much easier than collective ones which require defining and in group and an out group.
It's just pragmatism.
>>30042496
>Ya know, like political dissidents and the homeless. Truly, these are hardened, irredeemable monsters that must be purged. Columbia and its people are so much safer with its unarmed, poor, and civic minded gunned down in sewers and slums.
For fucks sake, go travel the world and stop talking of what you know nothing.
>>30043873
>implying I care about freedom
Humans are social creatures, people going on and on about freedom and shit are just navelgazing, the truth is you're just a cog in a machine.
When you consider freedom you are more likely to be terrified by the existential angst than actually do anything useful, so trying to define "freedom" in terms other than liberty is just confusing idealism.
What makes people feel the most free is social change, the culture and technology you live with is more important than your individual choices in determining your lifestyle, and change for the better happens organically as long as we have liberty.
And I'm saying this as a fairly antisocial person with a problem with authority.
>>30042210
Get a load of this commie.
Fuck off and die. How can you spew shit about "respect the democratic will of the people" when Chavez disarmed Venezuelans then proceeded to arm his populist criminal gangs so they could terrorize the population. The largest peaceful mass demonstrations in the country's history have been AGAINST chavez, and they were put down with violence.
>standards of living increased
Get the fuck out, you have clearly never been to Venezuela, or if you have, are a professional liar and communist agitator.
>>30044541
So you are saying you are an open borders cuck?
>simply because individual rights are so much easier than collective ones which require defining and in group and an out group.
Leftists for the last 80 years have had no issue in defining ingroups, and group rights
>>30043286
Uh huh.
>>30044721
Not only Chavez anon, but in Maduro's Venezuela nowadays people are eating their pets, work 2 days a week and have long blockouts and lack of water.
But all is fine, ( to leftists) because is the will of the people, even when the election proved to be rigged.
All this in a country that is member of OPEC and could have gotten the richest country in latino america during the oil's spike price in 2008.
Liberals, not even once.
>>30044742
Like I say I believe in gradual change.
My primary concern is gun rights, and after that other civil rights and basic liberal government (constitutional not democratic).
I would willingly sacrifice certain free market stuff like say adopting Universal (but not single payer) healthcare if it meant preserving a market economy.
Knowing that, and since we are currently in a welfare state in the US, I return to the old maxim, "you can have open borders or a welfare state not both".
I would be in favor of open borders exactly at the point where there are no incentives for poor people to move to the country without contributing.
Until then my opinion is that anyone educated as an engineer in the US should get a fast track but generally we should reduce immigration and enforce our existing laws.
>>30041691
>agree
>start threads on 4chan
>ask what memes to pump during massacre
>gopro entire thing
>post to youtube
>>30033104
fuck off pinoy manlet jungle nigger
some retards pinoy try to make his shitty county relevant by posting this shit entire boards
no one cares about fucking ugly country
>>30043286
>people actually believe this
>>30045653
Why are you so upset about the flips?
>>30033022
Don't they usually kill normies and people who can't/don't fight bafck?
>>30041691
Didn't know we were doing an inter-agency takeover.
>>30041806
>death squads only kill criminals
try living in a third world, senpai
>>30033104
Flip here, he's a meme.
We literally voted a meme mayor to be president.
