This wont pull them out of bankruptcy, but it's good to see colt doing something different. Now all the y need to do is make the python again...
https://looserounds.com/2016/05/20/colts-semi-m16a1-and-xm177-coming-soon/
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Honestly amazed they were able to recognize the widespread demand for retro ARs considering how absolutely inept they've been in keeping up with the wants and needs of the civilian market
>looking at you, 1908 Hammerless 'reproduction'
We'll see how close they keep to the original.
>>30030212
Looks like they're doing a good job so far.
>>30030225
It's usually the little things, like the firing selector and dust cover. The FH appears to be a three-prong (maybe it's just the meh-quality pic), which should be a cage hider, but it's not like that isn't hard to replace. Again, we'll see.
>>30030225
>roll marks
>horsey logo
>XM177 colt repro made by colt
Troy BTFO
>>30030238
I thought birdcages weren't standard till the A2?
>>30030150
how much will be the MSRP? then there's the scalping.
>>30030252
The A1 introduced a birdcage with evenly spaced slots on it. The A2 eliminated the slots on the bottom, supposedly because they kicked up dust/snow when fired prone.
>>30030212
What's wrong with the three prong?
>>30030252
They made a lot of rolling improvements to the A1 throughout the course of the Vietnam War. The birdcages (without the enclosed bottom) were being put in rifles around '68 or '69.
>>30030150
They really need to do a lot more than one or two repros. Instead, make a wide variety of AR-15's, variants, and popular handguns too.
>20" A1
>20" A2
>20" A3
>20" A4 (military quadrail)
>14.5" M4
>14.5" M4A1
>16" mid-length options
>Basic M1911A1 <$600
>LE901-16"
>LE901-18"
>LE901-20"
>LE901-24"
>LE901 combos with AR-15 uppers
Make guns as a commodity, not as a status symbol. I think their LE901 lineup especially could help float their company again. The AR-308 is alive and well. (Their 6920's are fine; they need more rifles & handguns at equivalent price/quality points.)
The way to sell guns is to offer guns people want. Offer them in quantity & at a reasonable price. Use that profit to restart their government contracts and offer equivalent guns to the civilian market.
>>30030291
In the article they say that they will release two new rifles every year for ten years. Hopefully they do more repros.
One think I thin Colt could do to help themselves is make revolvers again(not the Python) and get into the civilian CCW market.
Start small with some classics like a CDS or agent, and some new models of things like that and their form of the LCR/smiths knock off, polymer alloyed shit.
>>30030150
>>30030150
My body is ready
>>30030241
AR Rollmark Rankings
>1. Colt
>2. FNH
>9000. Everything Else
>>30030283
>What's wrong with the three prong?
Nothing if you want automatic adaptive camouflage when operating inna brush
>>30030150
I can now live my Vietnam war fantasies with a rifle that has colt roll marks.
>>30030212
>1908 repro
What a crock of crap that was. As far as I'm concerned the only buyers were flippers on gunbroker.
>>30030212
Wait they did a colt 1908 repro?
>>30030150
Those rifles look great, too bad knowing colt they'll probably be custom house only, a super limited run, and/or 3k a piece.
>>30030372
Legit kek'd.
>>30030380
It was a hilariously overpriced heap of disappointment with a dogshit park job and sub par milling. People laughed at it as soon as the first pics were released.
>>30030371
>implying anything even compares to the KAC rollmark
>>30030241
>>30030356
>>30030371
>>30030409
PONY
O
N
Y
>>30030291
>>30030298
There are plans to release a shorty Commando and a GAU-5A/A as well.
My body is ready.
>>30030150
>retro AR15
>no side jam button
>no chromed barrel
>no way to clean it up on the run properly
>literally Vietnam tier rifle
Fucking why?
>>30030291
I completely agree.
And to add to it, hire more smiths for their saa lineup. It shouldnt take 2 years to make an saa, especially when youre paying ~2k for a standard one. Ive been waiting over a year for a basic saa with a 45acp cylinder. Recently the italian companies have put out clones in 45acp for ~600 and i am inclined to cancel my colt order and pick one up.
I do believe they need to step up on their 901 production as well. Its probably one of the better 308 rifles out there. My work just tested the shit out of 5 select fire variants, and are planning to replace our scars with them. I got to shoot a mag on FA, and there was less recoil felt on the 901 compared to the scar(it felt closer to an ruger 556 in terms of how it shot on FA)
>>30030664
The same reason people buy outdated but cool stuff like a 69' Mustang or a K98.
Fugg, I am like ~$1200 into my XM177 build
>but mine is in .300blk
>>30030409
That looks like dogshit, not to mention it doesnt have the "it aint me" aura with it.
>>30030150
That's great, now all we need is Thompson and Garand reproductions.
And when britain is uncucked, maybe we'll even get Sten and Enfield reproductions
>>30030815
>bongistan getting uncucked
>>30030664
>I don't understand the concept of reproducing old models
>>30030150
Any word on price?
I mean, they're colt, so it'll obviously be expensive and the build mediocre, but just how bad is it gonna be?
>>30030150
>Colt actually doing something exciting for once
It's even better how Troy is planning on doing the same thing to a certain extent but fuck giving money to them.
>>30030150
Noice.
>>30033088
lol wut? Colts are pretty cheap. The one without furniture is around $750.
>ctrl+f
>it ain't me
>it aint me
>1 result
I am so disappointed.
>>30033161
Is colt going to actually make it or are they outsourcing the production to another company who will make 100 and sell for 3K and up
>*cough BAR M1918
If they cuck out and go that route I'll just get the troy version with >Dat PM training comic book
>>30030664
>>no chromed barrel
>>no way to clean it up on the run properly
Wot?
>>30033702
>*cough BAR M1918
Stop whining. If any company other than OOW had of done it, it would have turned out like shit. Even Colt.
Look at how disappointing the 1903 turned out.
>>30034359
That's my point, the fuckers can't produce anything anymore, and if it is something that is cool it is made by someone else in small numbers, but because of the licensing there is a mark up not to mention the scalpers who mark it up further from there.
Then if it's made by them it will have Chinese tool mark / craftsmanship quality, which is then sold at mark up by the scalpers
>>30033702
I want to like the Troy version but that cockblocked "NOT ACTUALLY A FULL AUTO PLS NO BULLY ATF" lower kills it for me.
At least this is a reminder to start working on a xm177e2 clone before the elections, McFucking finally got a NDS in.
>>30030815
thompson repros exist and they cost like
$2000
>>30034701
What's wrong with the Troy lower?
>>30030324
This.
Everyone wants your revolvers back, Colt. You don't even need to make Snake Guns, things like the Trooper were great.
>>30034864
It has a sear block and an AR-15 carrier.
My body is ready
>>30030815
Nigga , you in America can get cheap as fuck legit Enfields and those Savage No4MkI SMLEs for cheap.
>>30034874
Depends. If they can keep the quality of the new pythons as high as the old ones. Honesty, i would not want Colt to make a half assed python that is a shadow of those old snakes.
>>30034864
It's made by Troy. Fuck Troy.
>>30034883
Holy fuck. Troy really are statist cucks aren't they?
Already have one. Paying hundreds of dollars for a rollmark is just retarded
>>30034660
>That's my point, the fuckers can't produce anything anymore
Neither can anyone else. Manufacturing/production methods and standards have changed dramatically since that time and to revert to them in order to reproduce faithful reproductions would require a complete overhaul of equipment and employee training, both of which aren't financially feasible to satisfy the needs of a handful of spergs within the firearms community. The only companies that can do this are, surprise, smaller shops and businesses that specialize in having specific and unique training, skill sets, and interests pertinent to these firearms.
That means money any way you look at it.
The alternative and cheaper way to do it means tweaking and modifying the design in order to manufacture it at a level currently sustainable by contemporary equipment and employees, and all the spergs will see that as being garbage/low quality.
>>30034874
See the above. You're delusional if you think Colt could even manage to produce snake guns on par with the originals, or any other comparable company.
they have a huge catalogue. they should just re-establish their old lines. they'd clean up. who the fuck doesn't want a 1908?
>>30034864
It says troy
>>30034974
>Paying hundreds of dollars for a rollmark is just retarded
And paying extra money for an older version of a gun is even more retarded. Your point?
>>30030150
This is awesome.
I've been wanting to build an A1 clone for a long time, and NoDak Spud is never in stock when I have the money.
I even have a Colt manufactured, .223 Remington marked 20 round aluminum magazine to match it.
>>30035013
B T F O
T F O
F O
O
I would love to see a 602 clone, but I can't imagine the tooling for the special buffer tube assembly exists anymore.
>>30034954
fuck wouldn't it be great to tool around with fully chromed full sized snakes in leather holsters again. i'd grow big ass fucking sideburns especially, and a moustache. my jeans would be fucking tight.
>>30030283
>What's wrong with the three prong?
It would get caught/stuck in the dense jungle foliage of Vietnam.
>>30034995
colt took ownership of all the machinery after the 1908 repro. so the gear is already there to do at least one repro.
let's be honest, 50% of a firearm purchase is how cool it looks. same with everything. those old guns look fucking cool. that would sell them at least.
>>30030664
>not wanting the authentic Vietnam jam ARcuckteen
lulz
now pls gib monies to support American workers/unions pl0x
>>30035013
The A1's 20" barrel and origin furniture are objectively superior if you aren't operating operationally in door to door CQB. 5.56 is a lot deadlier out of 20".
>>30034995
>smaller companies
Cimarron and their sorta-WW1 era 1911 comes to mind.
>>30035074
>so the gear is already there to do at least one repro.
1. You're still assuming it's even there. Who knows what happened to it or where it is now.
2. Assuming said gear has been taken care of and well tended to for the last 100 years to be put back into use, which is an even greater assumption that #1 is. And let's be honest, we both know there's probably an 80% or greater chance that Colt hasn't been paying somebody to dust and oil that thing monthly since 1908.
>that would sell them at least.
To a handful of spergs interested in them, myself included? Absolutely. To the mass market interested in modern CCW pieces like the shield, 43, 19, and other contemporary guns that sell in droves? No.
>>30035084
>if
>IF
Thanks for proving my point. I can buy a larue 20 inch barrel and completely shit on a half assed it aint me gun.
>5.56 is a lot deadlier out of 20".
A 14.5 middy ar15 with a muzzle brake like a lantac and other enhancements will be more """deadly""" than m-m-muh 243.46 FPS difference. Oh good luck stabilizing most modern self defense loads out of a 1:12
And who the fuck gets an A1 clone together for practical purposes? Nigga please...
XM607 when?
And more AR15A4s when?
>>30035107
>1. You're still assuming it's even there. Who knows what happened to it or where it is now.
the contract with us armament stipulated that colt took possesion of all the machinery after the reproduction was complete. so unless you're party to inside knowledge then all you have is conjecture.
>2. Assuming said gear has been taken care of and well tended to for the last 100 years to be put back into use, which is an even greater assumption
learn to fucking read. the 1908 repro. you know, the one that was produced last year.
> To the mass market interested in modern CCW pieces like the shield, 43, 19, and other contemporary guns that sell in droves? No.
the mass market will see a cool looking concealable pistol. if the price isn't ridiculous (the only thing that could fuck with the program) why would they not exactly?
the rule of cool applies in all things. the 1911 is testament to that.
>>30030150
that's pretty awesome
time to start saving my shekels
>>30034974
>already have one
Not with that lower and dust cover, yo.
>>30030291
>20" A3
The M16A3 was an Air Force gun identical to the A2 except for having a safe-semi-auto selector. An A3 clone would be identical to an A2 clone.
>>30035084
20" is nice for velocity but goddamn is it awkward in halls/doors/within a half mile of any human built structure.
>>30035013
>stop buying things I don't like
Cool your autism next time before you post.
>>30035435
A 20" AR is the same size as an 18.5" shotgun.
>>30030150
XM4 when?
>dat light barrel pretending to be heavy, like a flat-chested cutie wearing a sweater
>readily adjustable rear sight, maybe Colt could throw me a bone by marking the dial for 14.5" ballistics
> A 2 A E S T H E T I C S
>>30034995
I didn't ask them to make the Snake guns, faggot. They made other DA revolvers outside of the Python, Diamondback etc.
>>30035639
653 is best carbine, fight me
>>30030212
If Colt was anything somewhat intelligent, they would bring back the Snake Guns and give them a premium, yet reasonable, price.
There are plenty of boomers and enthusiasts who would like a new condition premium Colt revolver that doesn't cost $4,500
>MSRP: $1495.00
I'm out.
>>30035729
Making a snake gun today that was anywhere near as good as the originals would force an MSRP of $2000, minimum.
>>30034874
I like the third-gen Detective Special myself
>>30035691
Can't we just concurrently like different things for similar/different reasons and be friends ?
>>30035749
>$2000
still better than for what a re-seller will take $2000. If you want an OK condition Python, you can spend that.
Hopefully they make the pencil handguards out of modern polymer
>>30035729
Guys please correct me if I'm wrong , but didn't colt stop making Pythons/Anacondas because of Law Enforcement wasn't buying them in numbers ala fleet sales , combined with the situation of S&W making good and affordable revolvers pricing the hot snake wheel guns out of the market.
>>30030593
Why would they fill the rollmarks with paint though? I realize this is an easy fix, but it looks weird.
>>30035768
Sure.
>>30035467
look whos fucking talking
>>30035691
You have the advantage of not being able to have your windage knocked around as easily if you drop your gun, but can't adjust your elevation. I call that a draw.
The barrels are the same thickness under the handguards, but the 653 doesn't lie about what it is on the other side of the FSP. Slight advantage: 653.
The A1 pistol grip is more useful,beong able to mount a sling swivel for classic infantry slinging of the carbine, but the XM4 has the more useful front swivel, being the side mounted model. Granted, they're swappable parts, so I'll give it a draw.
653 was adopted by Malaysia, but XM4 was used by Rangers and Delta during the events popularized by "Black Hawk Down." Decisive XM4 victory.
>>30035768
Do you know where you are?
>>30035607
Exactly, it's a terrible choice for close quarters.
>>30030225
IT AIN'T ME
>>30035691
Guys , am I a faggot for wanting to get an M16A1 parts kit and a nodak spud AR-15 Vietnam retro lower and a gas piston instead of direct impingement , and building it and dropping in an echo trigger so I have as close to an M16A1 as possible without NFA ?
Or should I just be a normie and buy an off the shelf AR-15 from FN ?
>>30030150
so it's just gonna be paying a shitload of money for an AR build I could do much cheaper with parts already out there?
why would anyone buy this?
>>30035946
gas piston A1
kys
>>30030150
THATS WHAT IM FUCKING TALKING ABOUT, FUCK YES
>>30035639
Have been thinking about building some kind of a2 fixed handle upper/11.5", with a pinned and welded moderator for legal length, "what the fuck do you even call that" because of pic related.
Then I'll throw a 1.5x ACOG on the carry handle because fuck nice things.
>>30035975
but I don't want hot gas & carbon shitting up muh internals.
>>30035919
Your kidding right? I had a 20in mossberg with a4 stock, and had no problems in hallways. Looks like this man is getting himself a 20 inch ar after all for all purpose.
>>30035827
At least try to make sense you fucking mongoloid.
>>30035946
>gas piston instead of direct impingement
>am I a faggot
Yes.
>>30035946
Echo trigger is cool but I have to ask why you would want a piston. Stoner gas is fine.
>>30035997
>I'm a lazy faggot that doesn't want to clean my rifle
It's really not an issue at all.
>>30030744
That sounds sexy.
>>30036021
I have never owned an AR before , but have 3 bolt actions and spent 4 years lugging an AUG around (F88) , I keep reading everywhere about how DI blasts your internals with dirty gas , so why wouldn't i want something that vents said dirty gas away from internals and still transfers mechanical energy to cycle the action ?
I'm honestly asking guys , please help.
>>30036037
ok so under field type conditions DI will not impede the effectiveness and reliability of the rifle in comparison to piston.
I am genuinely interested , other than purity reasons , why is piston bad ? does it have mechanical issues?
>>30030212
you mean the 1903?
I would've loved one in .45 or even .38, they're cool little guns and .32 is a shit cartridge
>>30036064
>ok so under field type conditions DI will not impede the effectiveness and reliability of the rifle in comparison to piston
That is correct. You can go thousands of rounds without cleaning on a DI rifle
>>30035802
Easier to see against the black of the gun
>>30030298
Can I dream for a trigger bolt prototype?
>>30036064
>does it have mechanical issues?
Yes. It's also heavy and utterly pointless unless you're running a suppressed SBR full-auto.
>>30036054
>i want something that vents said dirty gas away
Basic ar gas system vents the gas mostly outwards. Despite all the memes they are pretty reliable. From experience, you can get away with at least 1,000 rounds between cleaning or even lubricating with 0 failures. Adding a piston to something not originally designed for it is just over engineering. AKs and such with pistons are reliable for entirely different reasons.
>>30036064
Ask your countries SAS. They run M4s
>>30030664
>Not reliving T H E J U N G L E and jamming right when you were about to blast charlie
>>30036064
>why is piston bad ? does it have mechanical issues?
AR's were not designed for piston, google something called carrier tilt. If you get an upper receiver and BCG that was designed specifically for piston then it's usually not a problem.
>>30036003
What the fuck are you even talking about. Pipe down child
>>30030815
>sten reproductions
they sell sten tubes, just make one like they would
>>30035990
That's a DPMS fake moderator and a 4 power Colt (maybe repro) scope, so you wouldn't be far off.
>>30035639
>cylindrical faggot-fingerer protector
>adjustable bitch-arms stock
>>30030372
Fuuuck but I already bought a three prong flash hider! Whatever should I do no anon?
>>30035946
I prefer gas pistons myself, but I wouldn't profane an A1 with one
>>30036189
Yeah I don't understand why Amerikaaners that want Stens don't just buy the kits and the tubes and have GHOSTEN.
>>30036232
>he wants a AR with a fixed stock and no handguards
Got your back, famalam
>>30035013
Where the fuck is your optic
>>30036301
What about a MAC-10 with 1970s era Supressor and a 14X scope ?
>>30036301
>no handguard
I want the vastly superior triangular handguard, not that cylindrical faggot-fingerer protector
>>30036235
Stay away from Vietnam
>>30030150
>What colt wants
>Retro AR's
>Revolvers like The Snake series and the police revolvers such as .38 double actions and detective line
>Colt SAA
>Original 1911A1's
>Special Snowflake canadian AR's
>Basically everything they used to make and that super duper rare Canadian shit
>What Colt makes
>Makes SAA's once in a while that cost a shit-load
>OPERATOR SPESHUL FORCES AR15'S WITH RAILZ AND MODULAR CAPABILITYS LIKE SWITCHING CALIBERS
>1911's that cost more than 1,500$
>MUH ROLLMARK HORSEY
>some more tactical bullshit
>HAY GUISE Y R WE GOING BANKRUPT? WE R AMRICAN HISTORY!!111
>inb4 I'm a poorfag
Let's be honest, Not many people, atleast the majority, are going to pay over 1k for a pistol especially if something cheaper does the same job. Or generic ar-15 for extra cash because muh horsey.
>>30036472
>Special Snowflake canadian AR's
God yes, this, please.
>>30035143
>>30035013
Or you could not be a little faggot and make room for retro and muhtactikewl shit instead of limiting yourself to one or the other because you're a little bitch. :^
>>30035084
A1 handguards are dildos from any practical point of view desu senpai, and the only thing 5.56 gets out of a 20" barrel as opposed to 14.5" and 16" is increased velocity and improved long-range capability.
>>30030593
Its got a three position selector, but I don't see no third pin...
>>30033897
i have a picture of Doomguy doing 50mph full sprint with a cleaning rod in his M16 now
>>30036643
>Or you could not be a little faggot and make room for retro and muhtactikewl shit instead of limiting yourself to one or the other because you're a little bitch. :^
oh it's milsurpdude. Resident poorfag "collector" of /k/
>>30034836
Eh, they're like $1000-$1200, I've got one
>>30036643
I don't think he's saying retro is bad. He's pointing out that the other anon saying retro is better than modern is retarded.
>>30036923
The anon that started it didn't say that, merely paying the supposed price of the Colt factory retros over building your own was dumb. The later remark about the barrel and furniture might hold a bit more weight, but that came after and didn't reference the entire rifle as being superior to "modern".
>>30036885
Scathing. :^
Now I can walk around innawoods with my vintage jammomatic while whistling credence Clearwater revival songs and shouting incoherently about Vietnam fucking shits.
Thank you based colt.
>>30034995
>The alternative and cheaper way to do it means tweaking and modifying the design in order to manufacture it at a level currently sustainable by contemporary equipment and employees, and all the spergs will see that as being garbage/low quality.
As long as they look just like the old snake guns and are about as reliable as any wheelgun on the market I'll still buy it.
>>30035691
C7 uppers when?
>>30036569
>>30036472
>>30036569
>Special Snowflake canadian AR's
>>30030372
>>30035058
No, I meant in terms of authenticity. I could care less about some jungle foliage, multiprong flash hiders are the gucci shit again thanks to Surefire and BE Meyers.
>>30037091
>It ain't me whistles in the distance
>>30037305
A1s are supposed to have cage hiders, the three-prong is meant for pre-A1 variants. People will say, and have said in this very thread, that A1s sported the three-prongs early on, but even that's bringing up exceptions to the rule. It's not like A1 FHs are hard to find or expensive either, so don't get the wrong thing and resort to relying on historical anomalies as a crutch to justify it.
>>30035901
The Delta guys in Somalia so far as I can tell had a mix of guns including Model 723s and Model 727s, not just XM4s.
>>30036170
BETTER RUN THROUGH THE JUNGLE!
>>30037350
okay, that's what I thought you were getting at. Personally I like the look of the 3 prong better
>>30030744
>>but mine is in .300blk
i fucking hate this meme
>>30035639
>>dat light barrel pretending to be heavy, like a flat-chested cutie wearing a sweater
i like this analogy
>>30030283
>What's wrong with the three prong?
It was excellent for breaking the wire or banding on cases of C Rats.
>>30030815
>when
kek
>>30035794
Yes. Those guns were built by craftsmen that colt cannot affordably pay for now while keeping any sort of profit margin. If they were high cotton they could afford to lose money on that segment of production but these days and the internal politics of colt unfortunately do not allow it.
I'd rather have the pre-A1 styles
>M16
>M16-SP1
>XM16E1
Honestly I'd buy an ultra light, ultra simple oldskool Commando upper too.
Anything ancient, fixed carry handle and lightweight. Would make a great pistol built I think.
>>30038048
This, but I'm still going to buy an XM117E2
>>30038177
>XM177 get
You have to buy one now
>>30036872
Post it nigger
