Auto ordnance M1
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does anyone have the Auto ordnance M1 carbine, if so how is the quality?
>>30023042
Bumpkin
>>30023042
not as good as usgi
>>30023336
what is usgi?
Friend just got one a few months ago. We took it out shooting and the firing pin fell out after about 100 rounds.
>>30023042
I've got a 1942 Inland. The previous owner replaced the sights with the adjustable ones instead of the correct flip sights but w/e.
>>30023985
United States Government Issue. In other words a old WWII surplus gun. Last time they were available was from CMP about 6+ years ago. You will have to find one of the secondary market.
I am interested in what the rebooted Inland company (in name only) is doing with M1 Carbines.
M1 carbine is a sweet shooter and light and handy but really are surpassed by the AR platform.
>>30023985
US military surplus
>>30024766
That was most likely done by a US arsenal refurb after WWII.
>>30024804
probably. They even put an M2 stock on it.
>>30024789
>M1 carbine is a sweet shooter and light and handy but really are surpassed by the AR platform.
True, but if you live in a ban state and don't want the "ny legal stock" abortions, m1 carbines are a decent choice.
>>30024766
>>30024789
>>30024791
wow I feel really retarded now. How much are the surplus M1s going for now?
>>30024905
I paid $1000 for mine but that's because it was in pristine condition and came with 1100 rounds of ammo.
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>>30024948
For a shooter grade weapon that has been arsenal reworked with the adjustable sights and bayonet lug, maybe some non-matching (SN wise) parts I'd expect to pay around $800 give or take. CMP was selling them I think it was in 2009 for like $600 for service grade so don't expect to pay less then that unless you find a bubba'ed gun.
>>30024850
>True, but if you live in a ban state and don't want the "ny legal stock" abortions, m1 carbines are a decent choice.
The .30 carbine round is anemic at medium range. I wouldn't feel comfortable using them for hunting without JSP rnds at under 100 meters.
If I lived in New York I would be saving money to move. If that wasn't an option I would buy a ARES SCR.
>>30024984
$1k is pretty steep for me right now, I just want something that I can shoot for fun not a collectors M1
>>30024984
But mine didn't have a bayo lug. The only thing they replaced was the sights and the stock.
>>30024789
They just did a CMP M1 Carbine release this year... about 3000 carbines.
>>30024905
CMP sold Service Grade M1 Carbines for 685 this last release. FG's were like 100 less.
>>30025021
You can find M1 carbines in great shape if you look for them for like 600-700
Many of them were non rebuilds too. Lots of flip sights and such.
>>30025094
where should I look? Armslist? when I went to the gun show earlier this year I saw M1s for $1k+ and haven't seen anything cheaper
>>30025126
You have to look local to find good prices for things.
I found an unreworked 5m inland m1 carbine for 625 at a local auction house. Same AH got an 1896 krag for 165$. Check local gunstores. You may also get lucky on gunbroker. its all about how hard you look
>>30025200
I'll look around for one, what would better for my first semi auto? a Npap or m1 carbine, it's hard to decide
>>30025227
Depends on what you want to use it for. Most people would agree that the M1 Carbine is not a great long range weapon.
>>30025246
I'm just using my guns for plinking, if I get into hunting or longer range shooting I have a nugget which will be good enough for it
OP I have first hand experience, lad.
Let me tell you the story. Got one in 2007 as a gift. Gun was packaged nice and the wood and metal finish was really nice. The magazine that was included felt and looked like a paper thin, rough piece of slop, though. Take it for the first time with some S&B ammo and it jams or doesn't extract every other round.
I was disappointed, so I sent it back to the factory for warranty work. It comes back and I clean and lube it again. Take it out and it jams again, but about every 3 rounds. I keep taking it out hoping to break it in, but I get more if the same shit.
Over the next 9 YEARS I work on this gun off and on trying to get it to work. Each time I fail. So finally, just a few months ago and after about 250$ worth of work with exchanging parts, I get the gun to work. Now it runs well and shoot fairly accurately (as it always did, when it would shoot).
Overall I'm in about a grand on this gun and it's no better than a GI model. Its not milspec, which I can explain more if you'd like, and many of the main parts had to be swapped for better quality ones. To add to this, the metal is not very good quality and will peen after heavy use. I have not experience this, but others have.
All this bring said, it seems as though AO had a fucked up batch of m1s every other year. I got one of the bad years. If you can get one under 550 and are willing to possibly put in some work, then I'd say go for it. I'll even tell you what to do to get it running. I haven't heard anything about them lately, so the newer production ones may be okay, anyway.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
>>30025324
thanks that does help, I handled one at the Nra meeting yesterday and it felt like it was a good quality rifle
It varies, if you're going to get one, get the warranty. The metal on mine has a black finish the wears pretty easily. Other than that I haven't had any problems with it. Shoots fine and is reasonably accurate.
Find one of these.
Made by Plainfield Machine Company.
As far as im concerned this is the unicorn of M1's.
Issued in vietnam to arvn troops.
Compatible with gi m1 parts.
Cheaper than GI m1's.
>>30025355
the USGI ones dont have issues if they are not beat to shit. Even if they have a small issue they are easily fixed and cheap because USGI parts are plentiful and cheap. The aftermarket copies all have had their issues
>>30025414
I would much rather get a surplus rifle than a new production, I just haven't seen any that are in good shape and in my price range
>>30025399
what is it called
It’s not for me to say which make is “better”, especially when one considers the price. An Inland gun runs a $1,049 MSRP, usually selling for $900-$950 on GunBroker, while the Kahr has an MSRP of $846, and sells for $750-800 online. Without knowing which rifle functions better (a basic check between the two on the showroom floor revealed few differences), I can only say that Inland’s is in my opinion the better reproduction.
>>30025399
Thats pretty nice, not super usual because the arvn troops bought many different types of weapons from all over.
Unfortunately they wont go up in price like usgi but such is life.
Its no where near the unicorn of M1's though. That falls in the category of Commercial Controlls (they used to be NPM) a usgi maker who only made around ~250 rifles
>>30025469
the new 'Inland' has still not worked out their issues. Check for reviews and the receivers warp and the parts dont last.
>>30025449
M2 Paratrooper model Plainfield carbine
>>30025507
I know the collectors done value them yet. But they will. Considering how few of them there are.
Especially the collapsible wire stock ones.
>>30025507
Some Quality Hardware carbines were assembled using receivers made by Union Switch & Signal Co, hence the "UN-QUALITY" marked carbines. These are highly prized by some carbine aficionados.
This is the unicorn of M1 carbines.
>>30025591
Meh, they dont really fall into a collectibility role.
They are a non-military reproduction issued in small amounts to a military that collapsed.
Its just one of tons of commercial arms that were produced and happened to also be sold to a foreign military.
They will for example never be anywhere near the price of an M1A1 Carbine which would be the closest thing to them
>>30025355
They are okay. Feel solid and the wood is nice, but it's deception. Now that mine works, I'll tell you it's kind of a pain in the ass to maintain because it needs about as much lube as a gay porn scene and the parts are not really convenient to work with. The ammo is also about 25$ a box for brass cased ammo (13 for steel, which is rough on the gun). Its a handy, very easy to shoot gun, but only effective within 50-75 yards, though it can reach out to 200 alright.
This might seem okay to you, but being an AK shooter, I find this to be more cost intensive than it has to be. For this reason, I primarily keep the m1 around as a conversation piece and occasional plinker.
>>30025671
UN-Quality may be a rare variant but they were made in quantity approx 29,000 of them. They do not not hold anything on Commercial Control carbines.
>>30025710
Wait and see senpai.
The ones ive seen have doubled in price.
The ones that will be the most collectable will be the paratroopers with the wire inside the stock.
>See the pic.
How do Universal M1 Carbines stack up against the new production rifles made by Auto-Ordnance or, well, even USGI milsurp stuff?
M1 carbine Weight (w/ Loaded 30-Round Magazine and Sling) 6.6 pounds
I'll just get a AR with a pencil weight barrel and skip the crappy .30 carbine cartridge.
>>30025764
depends which generation.
Earlier used more USGI parts so they were better in terms that you could swap parts out.
Later generations are worse
If you can find earlier they are 'like' usgi
>>30025722
>>30025469
>>30025414
>>30025324
ok thanks for the info, it seems like they have some good guns and some bad, with my luck I'll get a bad rifle. I'm tempted to risk it, how is their warranty?
>>30025876
I want a M1 for the history and the look man I'll get an ar eventually
>>30025915
alright I'm just going to buy a Npap and start to save up for a USGi carbine sometime
