Is this the future of tank killing?
Fast and lightweight all-terrain vehicles with several ATGM tubes?
they could probably work in a support role but as a dedicated AT weapon nah, they'd be too much of a target even if they were fast moving.
>>29970745
Move forward or flank outward, get into an unlikely positiong... lurking behind the crest of a hill, or down in a depression, the only part exposed is the camera and tubes. Tanks unaware, rolling forward to meet & greet at the line of battle - easy pickings for elite ATGM operators. Then zoom off to the next spot. Like an elite sniper, but with vehicles.
No, why would you believe that this is any better then a drone with missiles. You'd be less likely to notice a drone and hit it with small arms.
>>29970802
Taking a drone out of the sky is easy as pie for any sufficiently well equipped force
>>29970732
>Light vehicle with AT, a concept that's existed for as long as tanks have, is suddenly a game-changer
Wew lad
>>29970732
That's why non-shit-tier armies mix their armor with infantry and light armor so they can deal with threats like this.
>>29970732
>ATGM
>>29970772
You forgot one thing,
Planes exist.
>>29970950
>Wew lad
Don't spurt your fucking shit tumblr memes in my goddamn thread you knuckle dragging ape
Can it fly? Can identify multiple targets from kilometers away? Can it fire and forget? Can it carry enough firepower to kill an entire armor battalion? Then no.
>>29971985
For the cost of one (1) AH-64 Longbow Apache Gunship, you can probably have about 10 ATGM Jeeps rolling around
>>29970732
Am I dumb, but wouldn't infantry with heavy weapons supporting tanks make short work of jeeps by raining down machine gun fire?
>>29972025
And what, 40 soldiers? You realize combat power is more than just the weapon and vehicle itself right?
>>29972048
You forget that the tanks have machineguns as well.
>>29972066
I realize that any country worth it's salt can put down helicopters with ease. Jeeps are elusive.
The Kornet-D's main point, aside from delivering fast ATGM to the battlefield, is its 'semi' fire and forget system. It can fire 2 missiles at the same time and can move afterwards as long as the optics is locked on and can see the target.
But the future is in drones. They have that video of a small drone carrying an rpg.
>>29970772
Additionally, you're making the assumption that tanks are operated with such simplicity that they don't maneuver tactically around a battle space. That's simply not the case--ATGM-armed, light-skinned, vehicles are useful, but they are neither as mobile as tanks nor well-protected.
>>29972204
>as long as the optics is locked on and can see the target.
>can see the target
Jesus Christ it's the 21st fucking Century we CAN do better.
>>29972189
oh my god dude you've done it. I've been on this board for 6 years and you just made the dumbest post I've ever seen
>>29972189
>jeeps are elusive
>>29971985
The Kiowa is to the Apache as a ATGM vehicle is to an MBT.
I can see its value in certain roles.
>>29972238
Yeah...I miss the 2010-2012 /k/. Before this board was completely overwhelmed with autism.
One thing to keep in mind is that the sensors on this system are thermal. That is a huge advantage over IR when doing battlefield surveillance. Another thing to note is that the ATGM truck idea works better as a way to add some extra eyes and effectively screen for other units as they move.
Anyone who thinks that vehicle is a credible replacement or stand-in for a IFV or a tank is mistaken.
>>29972312
I flew in pink teams in afg and stateside at ntc doing DA ops. The kiowa had its attributes, but spotting for an apache was never one of them because they never use their mma, as it was a massive piece of shit.
>>29972189
Threats to a helicopter: missiles
Threats to an elusive jeep: missiles, machine gun fire, tanks, shoulder launched rockets, grenades, speed bumps
>>29971972
someones mad :^)
>>29970732
They've had these types of things for quite a while now.
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned the old EFOGM concept or the closest actual implementation to it, the LR/ER/NT Spikes.
Launch indirectly from behind terrain based on spotter reports, acquire targets in midair with the seeker and fiber-optic line, then LOAL them to death.
>>29971985
>entire armor battalion
American tank battalions have 59 tanks while Russians have 30. Even if each missile is a OHK the Apache only carries 16 of them.
>>29972225
>Jesus Christ it's the 21st fucking Century we CAN do better.
Fire and Forget is still too expensive, and since $300k thermals are still punkd by countermeasures like Nakidka and Barracuda, the much cheaper and disposable seeker onboard a FF missile would be too if not moreso.
>>29970732
if we are talking soviet era armored divisions going up against similarly equipped soviet era armored divisions, then yes they are the future. otherwise, no.
>>29972512
youre arguing semantics now
>>29972462
Yep, literally had them since the late 50's in the USSR. Earlier in France.
>>29970772
This isn't world of tanks.
>>29972524
The Soviets had metric assloads of tube arty on standby to plaster prepared positions before charging in with armor so no. These would be heaps of scrap metal even before they ever had a chance to fire- Which is why the primary dealer of tank parts is the M270 firing DPICM from 50 miles out(and Smerch/Uragan/Grad for the other side).
>>29972204
I forgot how slow it is allowed to move while leading the missiles to a target. I believe once it fired it can move at less than 50 kph while pointing the optics at the target.
>>29970772
A depression in open terrain is a covered firing position without a covered line of retreat. It's suicide.
In close terrain, tanks would not advance at all, or would advance with an infantry screen.
Mounted tank snipers would have to deal with their mounted counterparts, long before they encounter their armored targets.
And of course planes and helicopters also exist.
It's not like military professionals haven't given extensive consideration to the strengths and weaknesses of armor, and the strengths and weaknesses of infantry. There are whole textbooks written on combined arms, and those textbooks are taught in every military academy on the planet.
TFW military cadets everywhere laugh at the pleb who just now discovered mounted ATGMs on teh intarwebs.
>>29972694
Could be worse, could have gliderfag in here too
>>29972755
shhh dont say his name outloud
>>29972788
Shit, sorry. Gl*derfag.
Just don't say it three times like Betelgeuse
>>29972813
>Just don't say it three times like Betelgeuse
>Betelgeuse
It's Bloody Mary, you shits. Does nobody remember these things anymore?
>>29972238
I don't know dude, those jeeps can be pretty fucking elusive.
>>29972923
>>29970902
But you can't take the sky out of a drone
>>29972694
And guess what? Technology has advanced too far with too few major wars between half decent military forces for us to know what will really work best when well equipred developed nation militaries collide. We're in a pre-WW1 situation, essentially. Technology has overtaken the tactics, and the tactics have stagnated upon the rocky edifice of mass education. All our ideas are going to turn to shit the moment we enter into a full scale war and we'll lose thousands of good tanks because we thought the old rules still applied.
>>29972189
>You have been missile'd by Le Ellusive Jeep of mystery
> you're tank will be save but only if ye post "don't tanktread on me ya scallywag"
DONT TANKTREAD ON ME YA SCALLYWAG
>>29973532
don't tanktread on me ya scallywag
>>29973482
I gotta agree with this
>>29973482
>We're in a pre-WW1 situation
wew lad
>>29972204
Silly, Tiger also serves mobile control station for Uran-9 UCGVs
>>29972189
>jeeps are elusive
>>29970732
>Is this the future of tank killing?
Man, now ATGMs are like most universal weapon on BF after RPG. It's not only for "tank killing". It can and will be used pretty against anything thatnot fast enought to run away from misslie. Snipers, guntracks, APCs, firing positions, buildings, tanks, low-flying helicopters - anything.
>>29972421
>Threats to a helicopter: missiles
Because sudden ZU-23-2 or even heavy machine gun fire will be deflected by a magic power of helicoptermancy. Right.
>>29970772
Yes, but only if it has non line of sight ATGM's like FOG-M which was abandoned.
>>29973482
You know a paper was written by a Major at Bennings on the applicability of heavy armor into 2040 and that tanks will continue to have a future.
>>29974134
A paper. A theory. Nothing like practice.
>>29970732
Kornet is past of tank killing m8. No NLOS capability, no top attack capability, no APS penetration capability.
>>29974229
the nations it's intended to be deployed against are too retarded to equip their obsolete mbt's with aps in any conceivable future.
>>29972512
>Fire and Forget is still too expensive
Only for vatniks. Top notch thermal cameras cost $10-15K for US.
http://rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20141009/272319991.html
>>29974252
Then long range NLOS capability > direct fire outdated shit. Tanks literally BTFO without possibility of any retaliation and countermeasures.
Stealth tanks, Punisher APCs, trucks with ATGMs. Russia's literally deriving inspiration for new hardware from C&C.
>>29972580
As usual, Germans got there first during WWll. Killed dozens of Soviet tanks with them that weren't admitted to, because secret weapon capture, etc.
>>29974516
Cute Missile :3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho_VHOjzMX0
>>29973607
I fucking hate slavshit and I know this is so poorly built it would kill the crew inside with exaust fumes if fumes didn't escape from the trademark russian welds, but
C-CUTE
I think it's cuter than wiesel!
>>29970732
>sensors UNDER the missiles
>wasting money and resources on two sensor packages because russia can't into computers enough to make it work with one
>>29974608
>it would kill the crew inside
Are you retarded? It's a robot.
>>29974684
>Are you retarded?
>weeb shit
Oh wait, I've answered my own question.
>>29974608
>it would kill the crew inside
HAHAHAHA
>>29974612
>america still fields the bradley as a scout platform
>>29974612
>>wasting money and resources on two sensor packages because russia can't into computers enough to make it work with one
Meanwhile everyone else smartly developed an optical sensor package that can look in two opposite directions at different targets, while engaging both of them. Oh, wait, they did not.
>>29974762
>still thinking scouts should be small
Best ground scout is an MBT.
>>29974257
>Only for vatniks. Top notch potato cameras cost $10-15K for US.
ftfu. Nice link btw, doesn't help your point any one bit though (US thermals are shit for military use, everyone else buys French QWIP third gens, go figure) .
>>29974794
This vehicle actually showcases the fact that the Russians could and does produce capable thermals(those Kornets can reach out and touch up to 10km, the thermals can likely see a bit further) at an affordable cost for them. 10 years ago you would not have seen them mount 2 thermals on 1 vehicle, let alone a soft-skinned one or even out there in the open without being in an armored sight head.
>>29970732
Yes, OP.
Mounting ATGMs on fast, lightweight ATGMs is the future and has never been dun befo
>implying that strapping a heavy AT weapon to a jeep is something new
>>29970772
>Tanks unaware, rolling forward to meet & greet at the line of battle
That's not how it works.
>line of battle
>tanks unsupported by recon, artillery or mechanised infantry
>>29972189
The Kremlin doesn't pay any more than .50 ruble a thread.
Stop posting.
>>29970772
An idea I've been thinking about for a while is to equip vehicles like this with a tethered drone and put the targeting optics on it, so they can sit behind a hill or building and not have to expose themselves at all.
>>29973482
Only decent example at the moment is Ukraine.
Aircraft rendered useless by air defence.
Ifvs basically useless because they are slaughtered by tanks.
Tanks still highly useful.
Plentiful artillery.
>>29972189
>jeeps are elusive
OP forgot that a tank in a real war is accompanied by infantry, mortar, artillery, and a bazillion other things in combined arms. It's not a rock vs paper kind of deal. There's a reason why WW1 had trench lines. Anything that isn't armored in the front line is going to be obliterated. A jeep with an ATGM will most definitely be at the front line because of its short firing range.
>>29975092
>every vatnik BTFO by ITAR buys overpriced French shit
Fixed for vatniks. Though US starts shooting themselves in the foot with such strict regulations because based China begins to take the global night vision devices market.
>>29975475
>Tanks still highly useful.
Donbass was a slaughter for Ukrainian armor. Against rag-tag military they lost 1200 (!) AFVs, 200 (!) of them tanks. Guy >>29973482 is right.
If we're talking about something actually new it would be a weapon that works like artillery shell but at low range and be able to be carried by a single man.
As in - it won't kill the tank but it will KO its optics forcing it to retreat.
Conventional light anti-tank weapons like RPG-7 or LAW simply can't disable modern tanks reliably and some advancement in that field would be nice.
The problem is that I have no idea how to effectively "blind" a tank with one charge without strapping 20 kg's of explosives to the propeller so it's kind of moot point.
ATGM's mounted on light vehicles are old and proven concept.
>>29975627
Did you seriously cite the Ukrainian military as a good example?
>>29975673
Did you seriously cite the DNR military as a good example?
>>29975696
>Did you seriously cite the DNR military as a good example?
You mean DNR + Russia.
>>29974608
You fucking retard. I love to hate slavs much as the next guy, but come on.
>>29975627
>rag-tag
Rag-tags do good with backing of powerful neighbors.
More IFV's on both sides were lost then tanks. And these loses included brakedowns and abandonment.
Infantry had no reliable way to defeat armor
And artillery was the king as always.
Nothing new was learnt, well except that you need powerful ATGM and tandem charge warheads to defeat tanks with kontakt-1
>>29975123
This
Only shit for brains arabs send tanks in blind
>>29975627
Yes, they were completely held off by rebels and nothing more :^)
>>29970732
Just a old idea/practise with new tech
>>29975760
>More IFV's on both sides were lost then tanks.
Both sides had more light AFVs than tanks. Losses reflect military forces composition.
>>29975815
Also because tanks are harder to kill.
And all major losses was because grads and artillery. You can also throw in other tanks and SPG in direct fire mode.
>>29970732
Why don't they just make cheapass rotor drones with a single ATGM mount.
Pros:
>can fly and land pretty much everywhere, allowing for ambushes by landed drones in the grass or hovering near a tree some 3km away
>is cheap
>can be mass-produced and deployed in swarms
>no risk of casualties or return fire
pic related, something like this
>>29975955
https://youtu.be/qSg6ZrgSzOc
Like this?
>>29971985
Didn't some dirt farmers in Unspecifiedistan just shoot down a Turkroach AH-1W with an old manpad?
I can assure you that the guy was not flying and could only shoot down one helicopter.
>>29970732
THE FUTURE IS NOW
>>29975860
>tanks are harder to kill.
So it seems that tanks are also elusive.
>>29975955
Why not make it a "ram-drone"? Drone with warhead attached - no launcher, no bomb drop, none of that - kamikaze crash into enemy equipment!
>>29976014
because you're forgetting how fucking expensive drones are.
Delivery system is exponentially more expensive than the payload it carries.
>>29972189
>Jeeps are elusive
Am I being trolled?
>>29975989
Yeah, only a bit bigger and upgunned with a metis or kornet, so it can shoot from further away.
>>29976014
a missle with a rotor on top?
>>29974690
>weeb shit
>French cartoon
Come on senpai
>>29975955
Yes because they manage to survive shit that otherwise would kill other things.
Modern tanks will have a key role in future war's due to their formidable power and protection.
>>29973482
Care to mention any new weapon that have not existed before that will change the battlefield?
>>29976034
>because you're forgetting how fucking expensive drones are.
>drones
>expensive
http://www.gizmag.com/monarch-heavy-lift-quadcopter-three-gopros/38258/
Go to bed grandpa, it is not 1999 anymore.
>>29976004
>Turks
Well there's your problem right there. You and I both know American countermeasures are far superior to whatever the Turks use, if they were even using it correctly.
>>29975117
I'd like to see this moving with the dude hanging off the front gunning down aircraft.
>>29976128
not him, but
>what are lasers
>what are ICBM interceptors
>what are railguns
>what are drones
>>29976045
Yes!
>>29976242
>>29976045
Guys
Guys
Guys listen
What if we put a jet engine, instead of a propeller
>>29976280
it wont be able to to hover though
and it will make more noise
>>29976295
Guys
Guys
Guys listen
What if we make it faster than noise
>>29972189
>Jeeps are elusive
That's not how you spell expendable, anon.
>>29976324
but can we start it from the back of a pickup-truck?
>>29976348
Sure, why not.
>>29976395
but you cant stand next to it when it is launched and you cant hide it well
>>29972189
>Jeeps are elusive
>>29976234
Those things dont really have anything with the conventional battlefield but in the strategic area mostly.
Lasers and ICBM interceptors will greatly offset the balance of MAD (and they were already being developed in the cold war, star wars program etc). Lasers can also shoot down small drones etc.
Drones are already being used. In the ukraine conflict then they have proven to be a highly important tool in the use of artillery and spotting things on the tactical area and larger.
>spots enemy troops
>arty comes in few minutes
>comes back to check the area and adjust artillery
>3 types of drones at different altitude used for this
While the west prefears to use drones on the strategic arena.
Railguns will find their way on naval ships. Which is a big thing. But these things wont really have any direct impact on tank warfare except for the drones which have been counterd by shooting them down or just jamming them.
Which that poster was talking about. And he seems to think that combined arms warfare is somehow obsolete.
>>29972314
It was always shit, Anon. Don't kid yourself.
>>29971972
>>29976324
Guys
Hey guys
Guys
For real, guys
Let's kill
Everything
>>29972189
>>29976565
>>29976295
Dude
Dude, listen
Dude
What if it hovers, IN SPACE
>>29972841
>Not getting the joke
>>29976565
EVERYTHING
>>29976607
Isn't this from EndWar?
>>29973532
>DONT TANKTREAD ON ME YA SCALLYWAG
>>29975627
Rag-Tag rebels with Russian SF, Artillery Support, and press-ganged Conscripts backing them, sure.
>>29976429
Droneswarms though
>>29970772
Except a sniper is not 8ft tall, 6ft wide and 12ft long.
>>29972462
Why is it so cute?
>>29977477
>So many drones
>impossible to shoot down
The only way to counter is to make small drones who also look like world war 2 planes, equip them with small caliber machine guns and have them engage the enemy drone swarms.
There is a more serious answer to this but I think this will be the way of the future simply because I would like it.
>>29971972
>hating on wew lad
personally i avoid using this meme because it is from a group of people who are below me, but i do enjoy seeing others use it
>>29970950
>B-B-B-But if it's new to russia, then it must be new to the entire world!
>pootin just told me so on TV!
>>29977513
You've obviously never seen American Sniper
>>29972512
The F&F Hellfires are active radar homing. IR jammers do nothing.
Even the IR missiles like Javelin are jam resistant since they have imaging thermal cameras.
>>29976565
Why does it have a clit tickler attached to it?
>>29979565
thats the engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
>>29975575
Except that the French are simply the best at thermals right now. They are the ones who pioneered QWIP and have since moved on whilst others are just adopting this tech(including America).
>>29970732
These would work well as a deterrent for convoys operating in areas with armor crewed by poorly trained armed forces.
I cannot fathom an army using them offensively to hunt tanks down. Especially considering this Anon's wisdom >>29971959
But in a convoy with target saturation, they would require a large air contingent to ensure an armored column would be able to safely strike, and at that point you'd be better off just having the planes attack the convoy alone.
These are great.
Inna desert they could put in something like a tunneling drill so it can drill down and hide when there is a plane
If I recall correctly, it has 8 on the ready and 16 (?) containers inside. It has anti tank (8km) and HE (10km) rounds. In a recon group there are also regular Tigrs with PKMs on the roof and has 4(6?) infantry inside. Also Tigrs with radar masts for Verba MANPAD support.
This makes it a big target against high flying super CAS like F-35. I really think this is a dead end, even if Verba can defend against super PGM like SDB II.
>>29973581
You've got to be completely divorced from reality to ignore inevitability of major war coming within next 3-5 years.
>>29985099
Civil war is an inevitability soon
Will china start a major war because they think the US weak?
Doubt it
Theres still nukes
>>29985111
China will collapse into feudal-style city states as the central government fractures. Big civil war there.
>>29975955
I see nothing wrong with this at all.
>>29977712
Holy shit, 3 sword style is actually possible?
I thought katanas were heavy as fuck
>>29975955
Because if Iranians with cheap-ass Russian EW suites can down a RQ-170, pretty much everyone can down a drone like that.
>>29970732
it'll just get chased by a bunch of humvees and destroyed before it can target a tank.
>>29985497
It can take out Humdogs too, Einstein
>>29974581
humweee vs. hellicawpters
>>29985111
We're somewhere in early 1910s right now. To all parties involved, the war seems not only likely but necessary at this point.
The US government is close to $20 trillion in debt. If China decides to dump US debt then dollar's reserve currency status is over. But, if China and the US do go to war over South China Sea, the US could eradicate the debt and pump the extra revenue into military spending - the exact same monetary flow that happened during World War II, only bigger this time.
But it's not just about those two, the global situation as a whole is coming to Malthusian trap. Economic recession in industrial nations and overpopulation in third world. Migrant exodus of biblical scale and rise of islamic fundamentalism. Decline of state authority and crisis of international institutions formed after the end of WW2. Europe is on the verge of something big. Russia and China hoarding gold and military hardware like there's no tomorrow. Middle East drowning in blood, Saudis and Iranians hair away from open war. Those are the indications of global redistribution of wealth and power about to happen.
>>29976014
You... you mean, like, a guided missile?
>>29972189
>Jeeps are elusive
>>29972694
>There are whole textbooks written on combined arms, and those textbooks are taught in every military academy on the planet.
Like?
>>29974134
>You know a paper was written by a Major at Bennings
Do you have a link?
Damn, where is the fucking do/k/ument when you need it.
>>29976565
>Let's kill Everything
Thats a bit of an undestatement...
>Lets destroy their soil, their hauses, their lives, their bodies and the bodies of their children for a thousand years and fucking regret nothing.
>>29986136
Oh I'm sure the UN will put a stop to that...
>>29986349
>hauses
j-ja wohl mein herr!
>>29974224
Even in practice. The Canadian Forces thought tanks were an obsolete concept back in the 90s, then Afghanistan happened and they quickly realized how useful tanks are and immediately reversed their policy to get rid of them.
>>29986136
>The US government is close to $20 trillion in debt.
So?
Newsflash: National debt does nto work like that. The majority of it is held internally and interes rates on the bonds are literally lower than inflation. The Treasury outright MAKES A PROFIT by borrowing money.
>If China decides to dump US debt then dollar's reserve currency status is over.
And it'd cost China a shitload of money and tank their economy hard enough to make it next to impossible for the to actually take advantage of such a move.
![Mailly04[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FYpN8m5.jpg "Mailly04[1].jpg")
>>29970732
>Fast and lightweight all-terrain vehicles with several ATGM tubes?
Been a thing since the early '50s. So not exactly the future.
>>29974531
true, but afaik the germans didn't use any ground vehicle as a launch platform.
>>29986589
To be completely fair, since they didn't deploy their ADATS there, the canucks lacked any sort of mobile firepower that wasn't a Leopard, so...
If they had Ratels, they would probably have concluded that tanks are useless since IFVs can do the same job for a greatly reduced cost.
Not to mean that tanks are useless, just that they didn't have much of a choice here, so it may not be the best example of tank relevancy.
>>29986136
Last time China tried to dump US T-bills it hurt their investment status for literally nothing, as Japan and South Korea greedily bought up the T-bills as soon as they hit the market.
>>29970950
>has to reload
>>29977907
bazinga
>>29986784
>true, but afaik the germans didn't use any ground vehicle as a launch platform.
Im not really an expert but what about the Wurfrahmen several modified assault guns shooting rockets and the panzerwerfer?
>>29974806
>Best ground scout is an MBT.
>55t heavy tank better ground scout than 1t jeep.
>>29976666
Yes. Glorious fucking kinetic rods of kill everything
>jeeps are elusive
>mongoloid reaction face.jpg
what is your problem they are like 10 times more elusive than any mbt.
There were reports of humvees driving through enemy camps evading dozens of rpgs.
imagine that with a giant tank.
>>29987716
>elusive
>in the land of hellfires and other PGM's
Ha.
Ha.
Ha.
Faster, maybe.
They accelerate faster.
They turn faster.
They have none of the armor, even splash from HE/anti personell kid can cause a mobility kill crew injury.
They are more mobile, but they are about as elusive as a fucking sloth compared to technology
>>29986370
>UN
My sides
>>29987735
many modern atgms can kill a m1
http://forums.ubi.com/archive/index.php/t-26788.html
>>29976231
imagine selling these to African countries.
it'd be the gunship of technicals
>>29972414
and why the fuck is the apache shit?
literally everyone praises the ah-64 for its versatility, durability and its strenght.
And now some guy that claims to have served in the military says that it's so terrible that nobody used it.
What the fuck?
>>29976231
Literally battlefield
>>29987773
yes but jeeps can be killed by 7.62x51
inb4 just uparmor it, because that means you make it slower and more cumbersome, might as well get an IFV or APC at that point because you've already severely hampered your mobility without gaining substantial firepower.
>>29975553
Only when fielded by non slavic militaries
>pretend im posting one of the thousands of pics of a lone, unaccompanied slavtank sitting in the middle of an intersection during any conflict from the soviet war in afghanistan onward
>>29987818
He meant the Kiowas mast array was shit, not the Apaches.
And it is shit, and pretty much only ever gets used for filming people fucking in convertibles in the US or people fucking livestock overseas.
>>29987999
oh, fuck me
that makes sense
>>29987773
Sorry, I wasnt clear.
Splash from most explosives will mobility kill a hum/jeep/truck.
I'm aware most modern atgm's won't do jack shit to a modern tank without multiple hits.
ATGM strikes to topside are the best bet, even that isnt always effective.
HOWEVER, you don't have to destroy a tank to render it inoperable.
Mobility kills are effective to those as well.
Doesn't matter if the weapons system and traversal is just fine if the drivesystem is fucked.
>>29987999
this man knows whats up.
>>29988936
kek nice
