Should I get a Glock 19 or a Glock 17 as a first pistol?
Heard it's good to start with a full sized pistol instead of a compact, also the Glock 17 has that Half Life value to it.
I plan on getting a Keltec Sub2000 if I ever get around to it, and would like to get a SilencerCo Maxim 9 when they come out and I have the money, if these two affect anything.
I think there are version of the Sub2k that take 19 mags, but don't most versions take 17 mags, and the Maxim 9 is going to use glock 17 mags, so it would be nice to be able to share magazine with several guns, but that's not too big of a deal.
Getting something like a Glock 43 and/or Glock 40 would be fun too, so the 17 mags could go in a 43 if I ever got one.
I heard the Glock 19 can have trouble operating correctly when using 17 mags though.
Also not planning on carrying this Glock, getting an M&P shield or a Glock 26 for that, but I'm leaning towards the Shield.
>>29945358
>Glock 43 and/or Glock 40
I meant Glock 34, the long barrel 9mm.
Keep looking. M&P is the smartest thing in that post.
>>29945730
Show me on the doll where Gaston Glock touched you.
>>29945358
Glcok 26
>>29945808
>hurr durr GLOCK PERFECTION
I prefer my 17's.
>>29945358
>I heard the Glock 19 can have trouble operating correctly when using 17 mags though.
bullllllshit
>>29945924
Just something I've heard, don't have any real proof.
>>29945932
Maybe with aftermarket/korean mags, but I've used G17 mags in my G19 for action pistol competitions and also plinking for literally years, never had a problem. Lots of people who carry G19s carry a backup G17 mag (myself included) and I've never heard of this issue ever.
>>29945877
What?
I'm just asking questions about Glocks bro.
So I think I finally found a reason to get a Glock, but why are used ones so expensive?
>>29945911
>filename
ur a cheeky kunt i'll giv u that m8
>>29945819
Isn't that a bit small?
>>29945962
Glock's a household name. Even faggots who don't know anything about guns know about glocks. So they're desirable and hold their resale value better than other brands.
>>29945980
I get that, but $50 bucks less than a new one?
>>29945995
Check out PD trade ins. You can find Gen2 .40 cals for like 300 bucks since nobody likes .40 anymore. PD trade 9mms are like $340ish if you can get a good deal
So I guess go ahead and get a 17 then?
>>29946938
Get the 19 gen4, it's literally perfect.
>>29945358
Finger fuck both and get the one that feels better. The 17 felt like shit in my hands, the 19 felt miles better.
Also whoever told you the "17 mags in the 19 don't work right" is a goddamn liar. All my 17 mags work fine.
Honestly sounds like you *want* the 17 and just want to justify it. Do whatever dude.
>>29945945
why are you shooting a smaller pistol in competition?
maybe it's just the gamer in me but i want the ultramax gamer-est pistol out there, and for Glocks it's the 34 (or whatever the .40 version is if you're shooting Limited instead of Production).
>>29949188
>>29949229
What makes the 19 better? I haven't got to handle one yet but I have got to finger fuck a 17 and think it doesn't feel bad, though I'm not really picky.
So far the only pistols I've really not liked was the .45 Berreta Storm, a subcompact 9mm XDS and a subcompact Walther 9mm. Now those feel like shit.
>>29949306
You can literally do everything with it. The 19 is large enough to get a full grip on it, yet I can CC it under a t shirt. If you want a competition gun get a Glock 34. The 17 is kind of in a funny zone where it's on the large side to conceal and dwarfed by the 34 for competition. Not too much point to get it other than a duty gun (and even in those circumstances SEALs and other SF types are using the 19 overwhelmingly).
Get a 17 and a SPAS
>>29946014
classic had some park ranger .45's for something like $375 last month. My local gunshop had a few in and were trying tojew everyone over it having the PARK RANGER engraving on the slide.
>He doesn't want a superior USP
>>29949433
Only USP I'm interested in is a USP Match.
Where can you even get one of those?
>>29949361
>>29949460
Gordon freeman fuck off and stay fuck off
The glock 19 is quite possibly the most boring gun in the world. It's boring to look at, boring to own, boring to carry, and (especially) boring to shoot.
Whenever people post pictures of their glock 19s I feel absolutely no emotion whatsoever. It has a certain anemic lack of any and all excitement whatsoever.
For your first pistol, get something fun. Something you will enjoy looking at and holding and taking to the range. Basically buy and hammer fired DA/SA from Europe or any proper 1911.
You can always buy a glock 19 when you want a very basic tool for HD or CC. You only have one 'first gun.' don't let it be something as clinical and beige as a glock 19.
>>29949478
Make me.
>>29949555
>For your first pistol, get something fun
Don't encourage first gun ownership to be a snowflake encouragement process.
>>29949580
>proper DA/SA European pistols and 1911s
>snowflake guns
Choose one
>>29949564
Rick Grimes pls more pics
>>29949460
Gunbroker since they're discontinued.
>>29949603
You're literally encouraging gratuitous hipster choices in guns rather than a gun that can do everything he would ever need at first.
>>29945358
>Should I get a Glock 19 or a Glock 17 as a first pistol?
Literally the same fucking thing. There's no magical differences or elusive features other than a half inch in the barrel and grip.
Stop being autistic and go to a store and feel them, and choose whichever one feels better.
A 19 can do everything a 17 can.
A 17 can't do everything a 19 can.
>>29945389
Glock26 > block 43
>>29950059
>A 19 can do everything a 17 can.
You mean aside from the capacity and muzzle velocity, right?
>>29949555
>get something fun and exciting yay
>posts USP
>in 9mm
>>29950136
>19s can't take 17 mags
>50fps matters
>>29945358
Glocks compact double stacks are nice. Just got a 30S and love it. Compact with 10 or 13rd magazines.
Plan to get a threaded barrel, tritium sights, light, and eventually a can for it.
>>29951441
Fuck, late pic related
>>29949243
I do action pistol competitions to practice with my carry gun. G34s are cool and all, but I'm not really into longslide comp guns.
I'd go for the 19. It's more possible to conceal carry while also having the same capabilities as the 17. It can take Glock 17 mags as well.
>>29945358
Question do glock 26 shot better cuz tighter built or some shit?
im between a G19 and G26
>>29945979
get a glock 17 mag and use it as grip
>>29950167
Don't know Glocks, I see.
19 (and 26) can take 17 mags.
But 17's can't take either of the others.
IMO 50fps doesn't matter enough.
>>29950167
good bait
>>29951833
Yeah thats why people like glocks, hell its only reason why im buying a glock cuz of the mags.
Mags can make a break a gun.
Idk if OP is still here but either way >
I owned both a glock 17 (gen 3) and a glock 19 (gen 2) when I worked security.
Predominantly carried the 19 because i could carry an extra g17 mag and when I left work could just throw on my iwb and cc after work.
The 17 was impossible to cc unless I was wearing a jacket. So get whichever you want OP. IMO the G19 is way more versatile than the G17
>>29952764
Also didnt read the op fully.
If you dont intend on ccing the glock ever, then get the G17. Its heavier and feels a bit more solid than the G19 for a knockaround/outdoors gun
GET THE FUCKING 19
>>29949306
glock 17: can do 1000 things
glock 19: can do 1000 things + can be cc'd
I personally wouldn't ever own a G19 because the finger grooves are too small and my fingers feel weird on the grip. G17 however has them slightly more spaced and it works for me. Just personally preference though.
Why are you so set on a Glock? You looked at an M&P, XD, or PPQ yet?
>>29952808
I CC a Glock 17 everyday
>>29952877
Well some of us aren't 6'5 250lbs.
>>29949555
What this guy said
>>29949555
Stupidest fucking advice in this entire thread
>>29945358
Get a CZ P-07 duty
Chambered in 9mm or .40 s&w
15 +1 capacity
Comes decocker installed with safety in box
Sweet omega trigger system
Eastern block reliability
Small enough to conceal and carry large enough to fit in non midget hands comfortablely
Less costly than glocks
Cons: small after market modification
>>29949580
>>29949877
>Herp derp any gun that's not a glawk 19 is a hipster gun!
Fucking faggot.
It wouldn't be a bad choice to get either the 17th or the 19th but you do have a couple of things that are not correct in that post the Glock 19 function perfectly fine using the Glock 17 magazine my daily carry is a Glock 19 and I use Glock 17 magazine I'm also a Firearms instructor that peaches basic weapons handling defensive shooting and advanced shooting tactics. The Glock 43 will not accept any other magazines except the one designed for it is a single stack set the Glock 42 is the exact same.
As far as the Sub 2000 most of the ones that I have seen will shoot perfectly fine off of a Glock 19 magazine they will not accept the 26 magazines though.
>>29953441
He could say
>get gun X because it is better for you for these reasons
Instead he says
>see lemme tell yer bout dis here Dee Ay esse euro guns or dese here NINEteen ELEBENS!
>They just evoke the kind of emotion a glock never will, even though the glock is the more common and more ultilitarian gun that can do more for you than any of my recommendations - you can always buy that as your SECOND gun because you need muh feelings first then you can actually buy guns that do more than one thing later!
His post is literally a hipster-fudd recommendation combined with a woman's thought process. He is unironically recommending guns based on his emotions and feelings about them. Let him recommend guns to people who actually have CC and HD guns already. We don't really need to cultivate anymore manchildren in the gun community than we already have.
>>29953840
>dis here Dee Ay esse euro guns or dese here NINEteen ELEBENS!
Literally ANY of those guns are perfect for CC or HD. Absolutely any of them would be the correct choice for any kind of self defense if the shooter is comfortable and accurate with them. Literally ANY OF THOSE GUNS can be as good or better than a glock for a first time buyer.
Just because someone thinks glocks are boring, dull guns doesn't mean that they are being a hipster or a fudd or whatever other ridiculous insult you want to tack on. I don't know about you but i'd rather, hear from gun enthusiasts rather than straight up fanboys.
The only hipster manchild here is the one who has his glock 19 shoved so far up his smug ass he can taste the tenifer finish (you).
>>29945979
Might be small, during summer I'd makes for an excellent cc piece.
>>29952877
I mean't to type "easily concealed". Not implying that a g17 CAN'T be concealed
>>29954344
>1911
>other euroshit guns
>better or cheaper for CC/HD
There's one gun that would actually fit in this category, and that would be a Makarov solely because it's so much cheaper. Of course, he posts a picture of a USP which is almost double the MRSP of a glock for being able to do the exact same thing while being a larger gun in every dimension. I can definitively say a glock 19 is hands down the better gun between all four because I own all four of those guns (g19, mak, 1911, usp).
>Just because someone thinks glocks are boring, dull guns doesn't mean that they are being a hipster or a fudd or whatever other ridiculous insult you want to tack on.
He appropriates a feeling (derived from his own intrinsic, shitty, taste) with a gun and unironically bases his recommendations about that to others. Guns intended to be used, especially first ones, shouldn't be about feelings if you're intending to use them. Collecting guns should be 100% about feelings and/or market value. OP is not, however, collecting modern production pistols; he is actually intending to use the damn thing as it will be his only handgun for some period of time.
If I said that all pump actions are boring and that lever and bolt action shotguns are the ones you want to buy first based off of my shitty taste and irrelevant feelings about guns and then recommending to actually buy a moss/remshit pump sometime later for a shotgun buy it'd be pretty a shitty first shotgun recommendation, would it not? Or take the 5.56 rifles. I could recommend an XCR, ARX-100, SCAR-16, SIG, etc. because AR-15's are so "boring," but again that would be a bad recommendation to someone who wanted a first intermediate caliber rifle.
I'm talking objective facts here. A Glock 19 is cheaper, smaller, more common, and has more capacity than any of its competitors. It is often cheaper than most of its competition and there are few quantifiable metrics that its competitors will actually meet/surpass.
>>29954593
>I'm talking objective facts here. A Glock 19 is cheaper, smaller, more common, and has more capacity than any of its competitors. It is often cheaper than most of its competition and there are few quantifiable metrics that its competitors will actually meet/surpass.
If you think a choice in weapon for CC or HD use is a completely objective decision, you are completely missing the point.
If someone isn't comfortable with a glock 19 or 17 and they shoot much better and more confidently with a 1911 or euroshit gun, then the glock 19 is subjectively worse.
You can't make a fucking excel spreadsheet to determine a given shooters best choice in HD or SD. Every shooter has their own biases and prejudice and they are 100% appropriate to discuss when talking about the "best" choice for HD or CC. If someone shoots better and more confidently with a USP than they do a glock 19, and if they are comfortable carrying the USP (protip: people are), then the USP is the best choice. The fact that the glock is cheap as shit really doesn't matter if you're significantly more comfortable and accurate with an $700-800 dollar gun. That's the gun you should be buying.
>>29954668
And a person who is properly applying the fundamentals can fundamentally operate any of the production handguns out there. If they're having a problem using one gun over another it's a crutch for their bad form. Barring any cost differences, if I shot 6" groups with a Sako TRG and nightforce glass but somehow got 2" groups with a WASR and NC star optics, you shouldn't recommend the WASR to me as I have shitty inconsistent form and that should be corrected with practice/training.
>>29954668
the cool thing is you can't honestly recommend a gun over the internet without using any details past those quantifiable/objective ones
>>29954593
>Glock 19 is cheaper
?
>>29955258
>Glock 17 is a competitor to the 19.
>>29954668
HD is an objective decision, rifle or shotgun. Hand guns should only be used for CC.
I have three primary guns for defense.
Glock 26 main carry
Glock 42 light carry
Ak47 HD.
>>29955577
>HD is an objective decision, rifle or shotgun. Hand guns should only be used for CC.
>>29955673
He's right though. Rifles are better for HD.
>>29954806
Regardless of form, if one person shoots one gun better than they shoot another, why would they deliberately choose the gun they're worse with?
>>29954981
You can reccomend the person find what fits them best. Guns are a toolbox and everyone finds whatever they are most comfortable with or best with.
I see experienced OC'ers and CC'ers carrying a variety of pistols. Guess they're all wrong because they didn't use an excel spreadsheet to conclude that glock 19 is the gun for them.
Should every thread asking about a CC pistol end in 300 "glock 19" replies?
>>29954806
lol do you even shoot guns?
You can't tell me there isn't a gun in your collection that you are just flat out more accurate and comfortable with than some of your other pistols.
Even if those pistols are equal or even better on paper.
>inb4 i shoot muh glawk 19 the best
>>29955673
When it comes to home defense, anything with stopping power over penetrates anyway. No reason to consider anything other than a rifle due to capacity, and accuracy under duress. There is no advantage to having a handgun in this situation, as they are also exponentially more dangerous to kids having an accident with them.
>>29945358
I have a glock 19 and the matching keltec sub2k. Like them both, also get the shield for carry
The thing I like about Glocks is they are basically all the same gun, just different sizes to fit each situation.
>>29945962
join the gssf for a discount on the pistol
>>29955750
>price
>features
It'd be like my example with precision shooting. If I'm worse with a Sako TRG and better with a WASR, should the person who is interested in precision go with the WASR because
>lol you betta with da WASR git that one!
or should they actually practice shooting to get used to a better tool for the job?
>>29955813
I shoot worst with my Hi-Power than any of my other guns, but it also has a lopsided and marred rear sight. I shoot slightly worse with my maks, but that's likely a function of sight radius. Between my G19, USP, and 1911 there's no real difference.
I don't try to extrapolate any of my shortcomings into guns that are "meant" for me. I train/practice around getting myself good with a gun not around getting a "good" gun for me.
I see this mindset among novice shooters all the time, that a gun is a shoe and needs to "fit" them rather than getting over the fact that their hand, by all probability, is likely physiologically extremely similar to most other shooters.
Mass production guns are not shoes - they do, in fact, fit the overwhelming majority of people's hands just fine. If you would spend the time to train on the best gun for the set of features you are looking for instead of spending the time trying alternatives you might actually end up a better shooter.
>>29956001
>I train/practice around getting myself good with a gun not around getting a "good" gun for me.
Should a first time gun buyer who is inaccurate and uncomfortable shooting a glock 19 still buy a glock 19? Should they not purchase the gun they shoot the best and feel the most confident holding because eventually they MIGHT get good with the glock?
Should someone wait to purchase a self defense weapon until they like shooting and carrying glocks?
This is a thread about defending your life, not about being proficient with a wide variety of pistols. This isn't a discussion about shooting technique or training procedures. A person should buy what they feel most comfortable shooting and carrying, even if it's not a glock. Period.
>>29956152
Dude just stop.
You're arguing with a glockbaby who thinks DA/SA pistols and 1911s are hipster fudd guns.
If that doesn't make you just sit back and laugh I don't know what will.
>>29945358
Glock 21 gen3
>>29956152
Honestly, how much worse can someone be with a glock over any other pistol? I could see someone maybe doing 6" at 25 yards with a glock over a 1911 at 3" for some odd reason or another. Anything worse in disparity than that and it is essentially a fluke in marksmanship that should be corrected. If someone shoots 12" groups with one gun and 3" groups with another it would suggest that they probably might not consistently get 3" groups with the second gun.
>>29956232
If you bothered to read what I wrote I have a 1911, multiple makarovs (IJ70 and East German mak), a USP, a Hi-Power, and a Glock 19. That's 5 DA/SA + 1911 to one striker fired Glock. Am I a fudd according to myself? The action of simply and blindly recommending them over glocks is pretty fudd/hipster of someone to do (especially for the gratuitous sake of "Something you will enjoy looking at and holding and taking to the range").
a 19 is a better all around choice.
I own a 19, 26, 34, 43. different models for different uses just like any tool.
