> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCM3d4nkUmk
Skip to 4:00
What type of AA is that as I doubt it's soviet surplus.
noooooo helicopter-kun
Fuck imagine being in that thing as its going down.
The missile goes so fast I doubt they had time to react with flares.
When the choppers radar picks up a missile coming in does it automatically dump flares or does the pilot have to do that?
Fuck man.
>>29942688
I know it's pretty brutal, chances are they died on impact.
So at least it didn't last long
>>29942641
>tail blown off
>remainder spins itself apart in midair
Brutal.
>>29942641
Probably a T-129
>>29942641
Pretty sure it's an Igla.
IDK, I don't really know shit about MANPADS
>>29942641
Looks like an Igla-1 possibly E variant
So do these lock on via radar to guide the missile in the right direction before its heat seeker sniffs out the chopper?
>>29942688
Also, these questions. How does the chopper pick up the incoming missile(s)? Always by radar? Does the radar always pick up an incoming missile?
Is the radar or other sensors picking up an incoming missile cause for it to automatically dump countermeasures like flares?
I wonder in the case that the radar did spot the missile, how long did the crew have to react? One second? Two?
If they pulled some kind of evasive maneuver without countermeasures would that be enough to dodge the missile? Or is its tracking/agility/sensor too good? Or do these missiles have proximity fuses?
So many questions.
>>29942641
Pretty sure it's a Mangusta.
It's not a Viper, Turks don't fly Vipers. It could be a Super Cobra, but I don't see skis on it.
>>29942641
>that grinding wind-up noise it made right before the rocket fired
What the hell was that? It sounded fucking awesome.
>>29942800
Gyroscope speeds up.
>>29942793
Now I looked in google images you probably right.
It just looked like a Viper.
http://cjchivers.com/post/101088631221/an-islamic-state-guide-for-attacking-american
http://www.ausairpower.net/SP/DT-Helo-Survivability-June-2009.pdf
Mildly interesting links I found while waiting for someone who knows a lot about this stuff to answer my 50000 questions.
Turkroachs getting roasted best day of my life!
>not fondling the ball
Why cant they fire Iglas right?
>>29942814
If it is a Turk Mangusta, it'd be hilarious, because they only have like 20 of 'em.
>>29942641
It's an Igla model of some sort.
>>29942822
>The insurgents in Iraq had an abundant supply of Soviet supplied
SA-7 SAMs and Chinese clones, and there are claims that newer
Russian SA-16 and SA-18s may have been used. These have
generally proven less than effective since much of the coalition
helicopter fleet was equipped with infrared exhaust suppressors,
active infrared jammers and flare dispensers. Many larger
helicopters were also equipped with missile approach warning
systems to cue countermeasures deployment. The most prominent
kills achieved by MANPADS were transport aircraft, spurring the
deployment of infrared jammers across coalition fleets.
While MANPADS have not produced the losses many anticipated,
mostly due to good pre-emptive installation of countermeasures,
losses due to larger calibre gunfire and rocket propelled grenades,
from the RPG-7 upward, have remained a consideration. Tactics
for the evasion of MANPADS involve low flying, which exposes
helicopters to gunfire and RPG fire. Recent statistics in the media
suggest that 40 per cent of US helicopter losses are due to RPGs
and 20 per cent due to gunfire.
Answers some of my questions.
I wonder why 'infrared exhaust suppressors,
active infrared jammers, flare dispensers and missile approach warning systems to cue countermeasures deployment' aren't the standard in all military helicopters in every western military?
Size/Power/Processing power/Cost? Or are they not effective enough? The article suggests they worked well against the older gen missiles.
>AH-1Z
>Turkey
>>29942641
>4:00 Boss music starts playing
Its so strange watching middle eastern millennials compose videos now vs the goatfuckers of the taliban era.
>>29942870
>Turk shit
>Western
Pick one.
>>29942641
IGLA-1 SHARP LIKE KATANA
TURKROACH GLASSCOPTER CUT IN HALF
>>29942641
Why would you doubt it's soviet? They made good AA shit
Good. Turkey committed mass genocide of the Armenians. Hopefully they ruin themselves financially pretending to be ottomans.
>>29942825
edgy as fuck
>>29942956
Being Pro-Turkroach is edgier.
>>29942825
I'm not a fan of Turkey either but its hard not to feel for the miserable buggers in that wreck.
Turks yesterday report that their helicopter crashed 'because of technical failure'.
I hope, Russia will also deliver to Kurds their newer MANPADS which is avoid all counter-measures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h224znB2Ito
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/404Ty6w.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>29942956
if that trips your edge sensor you need a better one, m8y
Another thread?
>>29942688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUlaGXDeSik
>>29942870
Detecting an passively guided missile launch is a real bitch. Basically you have sensors watching for the IR or UV flash of the rocket motor. It is pretty easy to miss.
Active infrared jammers (the disco balls on US helos) are really only effective against older missiles that use spinning-slot guidance. Flares and some types of smoke work against newer missiles, but they are harder to detect so you don't know to use them.
>>29942641
>a minute's worth of New Age music over a serene mountain backdrop punctuated by the occasional small explosion
Well that was surreal.
Glorious Igla! Combat tested against turkroach infestation. Buy 1 today!
>>29943073
jesus fucking christ
>>29943086
So do the passive IR missiles not use radar to gain an initial lock at all?
Fuck that IS hard to deal with.
>>29943119
Nope. Radars tend to be big, expensive, and eat a lot of electricity. Most currently fielded man-portable systems are pure IR (some also use UV actually to help with counter-countermeasures), with a few command-guidance systems sprinkled in.
>>29942641
Webm here. So is it a cobra or a super cobra? Or something else?
>>29943172
OP pic is a Mangusta variant, which is the most likely. Don't believe the Turks have Cobras.
>>29942641
the turkroaches probably survived the crash
>>29943186
According to wikipedia they do
>>29943073
Did he died?
>>29943164
If the chopper had an idea the missile was coming and did a sharp turn and lost altitude etc, could they dodge a modern missile? How well do they track and do they have proximity warheads?
Has anyone figured out how to make a working ejector seat for these poor bastards yet?
>>29943224
Yeah
>>29943186
You can clearly see the AH-1-like skids of the helo.
>>29943108
At least its quick, I was expecting 15 seconds of gravitron action where you mashed against the side of the cockpit by the centripetal force before it hit the ground and shoves you spine out your ass.
>>29943186
"Turkey bought ten AH-1W SuperCobras in the early 1990s, and supplemented with 32 ex-US Army AH-1 Cobras.[26] The AH-1s have been used against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) rebels.[27] In late 2011, Turkey requested the purchase of three AH-1Ws from the USMC inventory.[28][29]"
>>29943240
Yeah just the abruptness of it is what threw me. One second Ivan is talking to his buddy about dinner the next second he's falling like a rock in a crippled tin can and there's nothing he can do
>>29943227
The KA-50 and KA-52 have ejector seats, but I think those are the only helicopters which have them.
>>29943227
> Has anyone figured out how to make a working ejector seat for these poor bastards yet?
Ka-52 has ejection seats.
>If the chopper had an idea the missile was coming and did a sharp turn and lost altitude etc
The best way to avoid MANPADS is to fly at really low altitude like in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SYMrlYXNX0
>>29943266
Yeah but then you become vulnerable to gunfire and Somali-tier RPG spam
>>29943281
Russians haven't lost too many helos in Syria, even though every sheepherder in a 5km radius probably fires at them.
Then again maybe they just use them well.
>>29943309
Yeah thats true. It seems kinda random though, Some missions you could end up losing 4 helicopters like for America in 1993, and others you lose none.
Granted, the environment is incredibly incredibly different.
>>29943266
>The best way to avoid MANPADS is to fly at really low altitude like in this video.
and then die like this >>29943073
>>29943455
> and then die like this >>29943073
It's not a MANPAD strike on your video.
>>29943482
then what is it?
>>29942644
That silly Ben Garrison...at it again.
>>29943490
RPG
>>29942969
t. Vatnik
>>29942882
Uh, isn't pretty much all Turkish gear Western (imported or domestically produced under license)?
>>29943490
Something heavier, like Strela-10.
>>29943523
Can Strela-10 shoot down higher flying planes?
>>29943586
No, it was designed to fight low altitude targets. Such as helicopters, CAS aircrafts, cruise missile.
>>29943504
>>29943523
how can you tell?
>>29943615
bummer.
I've always thought that Russia or China should build something IR-guided that can shoot down higher flying tactical bombers, and provide it to people around the world who are getting bombed by Western planes or drones that are outside the reach of MANPADS.
Preferably, the system should be still small enough to be at least mounted on technicals and smaller trucks (which will also help it to get smuggled across borders).
Because you cant just sell the Kurds some based Buks.
>>29942641
Did they died?
>>29943715
no, they just needed a min to walk it off
About flares.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhGEeEMEYuw
>>29942641
Turkey doesn't operate Z variants.
top kek
eat shit turk roaches
>>29943104
Am I only one person here who has sad feelings about machine and it's crew regardless to a nation it represents?
>>29942688
I Don't know, at that altitude with the short missile travel time I doubt a MAW could do much of anything to disperse active countermeasures.
>>29942688
>>29942766
Missiles are usually guided using either infrared (heat) or radar.
If it's radar guided, the missile is guided by a separate radar unit that is communicating with the missile. Your aircraft will detect the radar signature coming from the missile site before the missile is fired and will warn you that you are being painted. Once the missile is fired then you will receive a visual SAM warning and an aural alarm.
The aircraft will also detect radar guided AA guns.
Infrared missiles used to be difficult to detect in the early years. But aircraft now have infrared sensors designed to pick up the heat coming from the rocket motor of a missile.
The counter measures have automatic/manual/off modes. If turned on to automatic, it will pump flares/chaff by itself when a threat is detected.
There was an incident a while back where a harrier buzzed a US base in Afghanistan during some sort of celebration. And the aircraft picked up the heat from a bonfire on the base, and because the counter measure mode was on auto, the aircraft dumped flares all over the base, causing several fires.
good feel that islamic turkoraches getting rosted.
hope the pkk do more stuff in future like that.
[FAINT REMOVE KEBAB PLAYS IN THE DISTANCE]
>>29942870
It's also important to note that most SA-7 in Iraq stockpiles were so old that their batteries reached the end of their lifespan.
>>29944079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIcxqVRLEWI
remove kebab
>>29943266
at this speed down this low are the gunners even using a TV set or some kind of gyro sight?
>>29944048
>swastika is censored in order to preserve feefees
[MISSION ACCOMPLISHED]
technical failure intensifies
>>29942641
holy shit that was intense. The sounds the launcher was making were fucking cool.
>>29942641
haha fuck the Turk-roaches.
>>29942701
Erm, the missile hit at the rear of the chopper. Chances are they were fully conscious for the ouple seconds before the main fuselage started ripping itself apart when it whirled out of control after losing the tail.
>>29942641
Are these Kurds or Obama's Free Shit Army?
>>29942641
anyone else noticed the air support flying over at 3.40?
>>29942793
...Turks do fly Cobras. They bought ten new AH-1Ws in the 90's and another 30 or so used AH-1s from the US Army, plus they bought another three ex-USMC Supercobras in 2011.
>>29943523
And how the fuck would you know?
>>29942793
Looks totally like a Cobra. Much more slender, the canopy looks like a Super Cobra's and I managed to catch a glimpse of the skis.
>>29942641
Fucking igla scrubs
>>29942641
Sure makes me glad the Russians didn't fuck with us in Afghanistan, by sending the Taliban their Iglas.
>>29945199
SAA doesnt fly Cobra's, and they didnt AAAAAAALLLLLAAAAAHUUU AAGBUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR!!!!!ONE!!!!!!!1111!!!!ONE at the end
>>29945529
so nice to watch one of these clips without the constant yelling.
>>29945412
Instead they made you the Teardrop memorial
>>29944048
I was a submariner when Kursk went down. The morning after we had a moment of silence for the crew, despite their status as russian opfor.
In a time of war of course it would be different, but at that time they were just submariners like us. And that community is so small that we felt empathy. No one wants to go down like that, and we felt they deserved a moment of our respect.
>>29943281
Yes. There's no easy, clear-cut solution. It's all a question of risk management.
>>29943674
IR quickly runs into a whole bunch of technical issues once you go beyond short-range SAMs.
>>29942825
>>29943073
Welp...that will ruin your day
>>29944957
Well, I guess you could call your tail being blown off a "technical failure", if you squinted hard enough.
>>29943987
>>29944048
did you really censor the swastika on that 109?
Looks like an SA-18 to me, pretty advanced MANPADS.
>>29945912
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It's a Fw190!!!!
>turkish engineering
>>29942641
Forget the shoot-down, that artillery is some real shit
>>29942641
Why didn't the pilots eject?
>>29946204
There were no pilots it was a drone
>>29945669
All Sailors seem to have a mutual respect like this, ever since the old days of pirates and Privateers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWMo7aHDRo
>>29946148
It's either Italina or american engineering depending on wether it's a Cobra or a A-129.
>>29946204
Because there's no ejection seat.
>>29946204
Helos don't have eject seats except the russian Ka-52
Looks like it is made of paper.
Aren't attack helocopters supposed to be like flying tanks?
>>29946305
Not Americuck or NATO-cuck ones.
They believe in a certain "democracy magic" that will make commie missiles disintegrate before them hit the chopper. Really. They seriously believe that.
In the end, it is the chooper that is disintigrating. Just like their 'democracies' kek.
>>29946305
Russian doctrine makes their helicopters tanks, However western doctrine is a bit different and I wouldn't be surprised if they're suspectible to fire.
>>29946305
Attack helos are armored against small arms and heavy machineguns. Any more and you'd make it too heavy to fly properly.
>>29946305
No helo is armored against rockets. Small arms fire, some, like the hind, can take cannon fire.
Also, you can see it hitting and severing the tail. Armor is usually only around engines/cockpit, not the tail boom
>>29946325
cringed
>>29946204
>eject
Helo pilots conveniently fly around in their own coffins.
>>29946384
cringed as much as those NATO cocksucking Turkroach pilots.
I hope Stoltenberg and a number of americuck Nato officials are the next one who will die in a russian missile-induced helicopter crash.
fresh meme from the oven
>>29946332
>Russian doctrine saved all of those Hinds from Stingers and Redeyes.
>>29944048
Fucking cunt censoring it haha what a faggot
>>29942641
Aftermath
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cica5lAVAAAlUGm.jpg
>>29947138
Another one
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiceMvXW0AEjYr7.jpg
>>29947153
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiayYdiXAAACQqe.jpg:large
>>29946737
Ebin.
You should add more detail to show the spark is the other half of the helicopter
>>29946422
>>29946325
sometimes you have to wonder
>>29947173
>>29947153
>>29947138
>not knowing how to post pics on 4chan
normie reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Why were Kurdish guys speaking in Farsi?
>>29942641
>b-b-but you'll NEVER be able to resist the gubberment they have tanks and airplanes
based ISIS proving liberals wrong yet again
>>29942641
>What type of AA is that as I doubt it's soviet surplus.
Can of RAID
>>29951585
you do realise kurmanji is indo-european, very closely related to farsi, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Kurdish
>While Kurdish is generally categorized as one of the Northwestern Iranian languages along with Baluchi,[4][5] it also shares many traits with Southwestern Iranian languages like Persian, apparently due to longstanding and intense historical contacts, and some authorities have gone so far as to classify Kurmanji as a Southwestern or "southern" Iranian language.[6][7]
>>29949034
>>29951726
>>29951731
>>29951734
;_; no
>>29951718
>>29951712
>>29951708
fucken turk rats
>>29951761
kys
>>29944048
worst ppl in existence, post shit that doesn't even belong to them and put a watermark on it
>>29947201
hohol detected
launching salo seeking memes
>>29952538
Excellent
