Hi /k/. Russian here. There's a big shitstorm going between putin's anti-gun propagandists and normal people on sosach's /b/. So i decided to make mah freedom map, just wanna known in what countires/us states i can carry a pistol every day (cause its forbidden here). Also ask about russian gun laws if u r interested ill try to ask.
Pretty much every state in the US lets you open carry firearms, and most will let you concealed-carry pistols. It's only a few states (California, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut) that have gun grabby laws.
Isn't Putin pro gun?
Seems like he would be, it's not like faggot leftists like pussy riot would ever touch a gun
>>29910212
How strict are the gun laws in Russia? Is it easy to get a carry license there? Do they crack down on rifles and other long arms?
>>29910212
that shotgun looks really cool
>>29910221
Gotta control the masses
>>29910212
How is private gun ownership viewed in Russia? did it exist in the soviet era or is it a new phenomenon?
>>29910212
Bolt action shotgun? Are gun laws that strict in Russia?
>>29910221
He is not. He is pussy himself, just to make it clear he shat(is it correcr form of "shit" in past?)
his pants when he was "elected" last time. They locked half of the city when this fag was driving to the Inauguration in kremlin. here's da proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ro0vdYbKc
>>29910221
>authoritarian commie
>supporting gun rights for the people
Good one anon
>>29910221
hahaha no they have strict anti gunot laws.
but I assumed that the police only cared if you were a gangster or chichen? I always assumed that the chaos of the early 90s meant that a bunch of full giggle AKs got into the market of anyone who looked hard enough. Or have those all been rounded up?
Im here, still trying to answer. Laws are very strict compared to american. Ill try to translatesomething for you, give me couple of minutes guys.
>>29910247
>gommie
>>29910254
Take your time mate, it's all good
>>29910237
Shotguns are only limited to 10 rounds capacity and overall lenght, can have 5 of them without collector's licence. Same stands for rifles.
Not OP.
>>29910254
Are laws different depending on where you live? I assume gun ownership is routinely allowed in Siberia and other areas out east where wildlife might eat you. Is there a concept of a "truck gun" I mean is there any guns in non military calibers? I mean x54R is a great round and all but I'd want something with a much heavier bullet ifor I was worried about polar bears.
To get first gun(Smoothbore is only tupe u can own in first 5 years after u get license) here u need:
1. U need to pass drag and pscyho tests(and pay for them as well).
2. To buy a safe/strongbox(cheap 20$ metal box is fine).
3. To learn safe handling of weapons(and pay for it). It takes 1 day and small easy exam plus couple of shots on the range.
4. Get so called "hunt ticker". Taakes them 2 weeks to make it and give it to u.
5. Collect all dem papers from above and give em to gubernment.
6. After one month they give green paper
which gives you the right to acquire a smooth-bore long-barreled weapons(only in next 6 months lel).
3.
>>29910270
Lots of guns in non-military caliber, actually milsurp and mil-std ammo is no-no and its a criminal offence to posess it, leave alone shoot it (although noone cares most of the time). Gun law is federal, no matter where you live.
>>29910270
As far as i know it doesnt matter, everything is the same everywhere.
>>29910212
Ceнд ми a тoз плeace
>>29910294
Also any licence is valid for 5 years and to renew you've got to do drug/psycho screening and police record check. For rifle owners - provide 3 samples of bullet/case for forensic database for each rifle.
>>29910222
Yes, they do crack down on rifles, u actually need to own a shotgun for 5 years at least to buy one.
>>29910233 it was better before soviets, u actually could own pistols n shit, and it was better in soviet time when u could buy sport rifles withou license.
As i see there's a guy in the thread who knows shit better than me>>29910268
>>29910212
Czech Republic let's you conceal carry anything that is registered for carry if you have group E of firearm license. Some people even carry Vz 58s here.
>>29910384
>Vz 58s
how the fuck do you conceal carry that thing, fedora and duster?
>>29910384
Anything in semi I should add.
>>29910384
How much are Vz58s in CZ? Seen them for $900 in Russia.
>>29910384
How are the Czech gun laws? I've heard that it's even possible to obtain full auto firearms.
I thought everyone in Russia owned an AK-47.
>>29910414
You think it's hard? The collapsable stock V version is 636 long with the stock down, you can strike down another 90mm by shortening the barrel to 300mm. Here's a pic of a somewhat shorter guy.
All you usually need to conceal a full size Vz 58 V is a standard overcoat.
>>29910445
Why would anyone conceal a vz?
In Oklahoma you can openly carry a pistol without a permit or anything. There's a few other states like that, too. Oklahoma is pretty a-okay though. Come visit, slav brother.
>>29910459
I lied a little bit, it's not in effect yet but it will be soon.
>>29910415
That's near impossible unless you are an estabilished collector. Technically, if you have a collection of WW2 rifles and pistols, the MAY let you own a couple of submachineguns in their original, fullauto configuration if you apply for a category A weapon exception, provided you let them check your safe and other kinks you need for a category A weapon, like reinforced doors. Even so I heard nearly a thousand people here own a fullauto Vz 58 privately, but it's completely up to the police station you ask to provide you with the permit to own a category "A" weapon (the exception).
For me, it's not worth the hassle if I can carry an SBR. Especially since most firing ranges wont let you fire fullauto, and because our country is small we cannot shoot outside firing ranges unless we are hunting.
So yeah, it can be done, but it's really rare and really difficult.
Other than that, laws are good. There is a background check, you need a doctor's approval. Optional psychology test if the doctor requires it, but that's unusual. You need to do some exams in firearm safety, first aid and such, but after that you can own pretty much every small arm that exists in semi without any mandatory safe checks or other bullshit, from a pocket pistol to a heavy machinegun. No limit on the count either. You can carry with a category E permit, and despite needing the firearm registered, there is no limit on what type of firearm you can carry as long as you can conceal it.
>>29910458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA
Good luck downing a terrorist with a glock.
Also, conceal carry is mandatory. Open carry is only permited to guards and such.
>>29910212
Oklahoma is the best state in the whole country.
>>29910414
Whoops, meant to tag
>>29910393
here
>>29910445
Anyways Vz 52s you can have converted milsurp here, which is about 400 USD, used to be cheaper. Newly made ones from CSA are usually 800 USD and up.
>>29910459
Gun laws are literally the only good thing about living in OK. I got my first shotgun (Mossberg 500 with the 18 1/4 in. barrel) as part of a trade for my old bronco when I was in high school.
>>29910484
Bullshit
>>29910265
>kgb officer for 16 years
>not communist anymore
Still a statist at heart. You think a kgb Lieutenant Colonel abandons the roots of his ideology because he adapts to the changing political climate of his country? Kek.
>>29910498
I meant vz 58s
>>29910229
Do want, would rabbit with.
>>29910510
Yeah everything else sucks major cock. There's no all year general camo and it's hot as fuck all the time.
>>29910458
Do you not?
I thought Russians just didn't care? I know groups focused on self defense and such encourage people to carry knives for defense regardless of what people say.
>>29910212
What is thoughts on кoт блины?
>>29910498
did prices go up in CZ for 58s recently? I think they stopped flooding the market with those, and prices went 50% up in Poland
>>29910704
Everything self-defence related in Russia is mostly about not getting caught, we have about 99% conviction rate among people who are brought to court. Any weapon carried is sought as intention to do harm, that's how our police works.
>>29910750
Yeah, you basically cannot get them anymore here. We donated some to the Kurds and it seems we have basically run out of both the used and unused ones. CZ ramped up the cost for their 858s but hasnt delivered them since march which was the promised date.
>>29910212
Didn't he allow conceal carry, it's still hard to get but at least you can?
https://www.rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/
>>29910782
>Believing RT
lol good luck getting that permit. They omit everything.
>>29910471
Why is the Czech Republic so based?
Is Slovakia the same way?
Should I move there and drink amazing beer?
>nextdragonballz.jpg
>>29910782
That one is about so called "limited action firearms", which are designed to shoot rubber bullets and completely autistic, although it's possible to kill with. It is prohibited to carry anything else, except when hunting.
>>29910800
>RT
ok then
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-citizens-can-now-carry-rifles-2014-11
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/11/25/russia-legalizes-self-defense-valid-reason-gun-permit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Russia
>>29910778
that's what I heard, currently prices are encroaching on "new" AK territory, and even thou I have one 58, I'd never buy it for that price
>>29910804
Afaik our gun laws are more leniant than slovaks. Mainly because what is may-issue for them is shall-issue for us. I know several slovaks who did their licenses here for that reason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Comparison
>>29910813
Hey, up to you. Vz 58 is superior to AK in everything except sand and dust resistance though. It's a milled Vz 58 vs stamped sheet metal AK.
>>29910810
>none of these have any other source than RT
You have russians telling you but you choose to believe internet istead
*slow clap*
>>29910810
Same shit with links to RT. It goes like this >>29910809. Also anyone shooting in town/city will be fined for about US$600, no matter what reason is there for shooting.
>>29910250
you're thinking of the former Yugoslavia
that's where most black market AKs on the Euro market came from
>>29910826
trigger ruins it a bit for me, you can't really do much to it and keep the reliability
thou removing second spring for full auto from trigger made it a lot better for me recently, need to try it out on the range. reset is still abysmal, and you can't do anything about it
also, how's ammo situation for 7.62x39? It's preety fucking dry up here, chink military ammo is overpriced if you can even get it, and new production is to expensive to even bother.
>>29910826
>http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-citizens-can-now-carry-rifles-2014-11
Did you even read it?
http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001201411170011?index=1&rangeSize=1
>>29910845
>Also anyone shooting in town/city will be fined for about US$600, no matter what reason is there for shooting.
Man that sucks
>>29910847
It's still among the cheaper rounds alongside 5,45, but it definitely isn't cheap. The prices have skyrocketed since '04
>>29910847
My trigger pull is nice desu, though it probably depends on who made the gun or converted it to semi.
>>29910885
>converted
wew, mine had basicly auto sear grounded off, end of conversion.
I compared it back to back with 858, and it was much nicer and smoother overall, but you sometimes hear about gremlins in 858s, mine feeds everything.
>>29910915
Hmm.
That sounds like a slovakian conversion.
Wouldn't be very legal to convert it that way here in czech rep. Was it a Gazela 58?
>>29910431
Same
>>29910431
>>29910926
It's what most of america thinks until they start educating themselves about Russia.
>>29910924
It says "K arms CZ-58". preety appropriate.
>>29910212
>>29910721
Would have sex with.
When I saw it I actually laughed. I have a model 55 goose gun--pic somewhat related--that some jew yorker cut down the barrel to just over 18 inches. I had a scope mount added to the side and now need to find a simple 30mm optic to add to it.
>>29910212
Those shotguns are sexy as fuck. I have 2 bolt action shotguns that I would like to do that to, but can't find the stocks to fit them. Life is suffering.
>>29910986
Probably means KolArms if I'm right, then again a shitload of people made those conversions.
OP here. So basically there are 3 countries worth to stay long/emigrate if i wanna better gun laws: usa, switzerland and cz.
Fun fact: op pic gun has "death to chairman" nickname.
>>29911150
I heard Bulgaria is also much good.
>inb4 Bulgarian Makarovs
>>29910484
Fuck you
-Texan
>>29911003
I think that it's just salvaged AK parts or something, if you know how to woodwork I'd imagine it would be pretty easy to just use a polish folding stock inlet into the gun. And an SBS stamp, goy.
>>29910212
as i understand it these shotguns wont fire when folded. Does the stock have to be all the way open to fire or will it fire with the stock half folded facing down? With a couple more inches of barrel these could be legal here in australia.
>>29910212
Hey Russia bro, Alabama is extremely gun friendly.
>>29910484
Fuck Oklahoma.
You fuckwads shouldn't be allowed out of your containment zone without a travel visa.
Oklahoma is a wasteland filled with drunk natives, worthless white trash on welfare, and casinos to leech off of states that have economies.
>Driving in DFW
>Beat to shit multicolored minivan doing 50mph in the left lane
>Cuts across three lanes at once with no signal to exit
>Guess who the fuck it is!?
>Drunk toothless trash being loud and violent in a bar
>Guess who the fuck it is!?
I hope Trump builds a wall along the Red River to keep you reservation/wasteland niggers out.
Pic related: average Oklahoma town.
also russian k
2 ch hk / w
>>29911554
wow, finally. delete space and put . between ch and hk
>>29910212
Damn near everywhere except California and the New England states (Massachusetts, New York, Maine, etc.) allow you to easily get a CC permit.
Some are now constitutional CC so you don't even need that.
A few have laws that make gun free zones a bit more heavy in terms of court.
Other than that though, you're good.
In general, how is the actual gun culture there? How hard is it to find someone with a gun legally?
>>29911308
I wouldn't sbs it to begin with. Maybe down the road.
A standard 18.5 inch barrel with that folding stock would make a great backpack gun. Too bad they're such low capacity. The 12 gauge only has a 2 round mag,and the 16 gauge has a 4 round tube.
>>29910219
Even CT is open carry. The permit is just for carry-you can CC or open.
>>29911975
I've heard of veper 12 mods being done on them but you might want to make a thread on it. There's a couple of gunsmiths that lurk and bouncing ideas off them might be a good idea.
>>29912010
I was told that I could modify Saiga mags to fit the 12,so I bought a 5 round mag.
It will take some serious filing of the plastic magazine, then some careful riveting of a metal guide,to end up with a thin walled magazine of pretty dubious quality. I've asked among my friends to see if anyone knows someone working with sheet metal that could make me about a dozen 5-shot mags,but no luck yet.
>>29911907
most of gun owners are hunters. i knew only one person who was gun owner in real life(23 years old).
>>29910219
Don't forget NJ. You can OC or CC, but the permit is "may (not) issue".
>>29913673
It's the same with a lot of counties in California. My old man applied for a CCL in Orange County and got it in about a month. LA county doesn't issue one unless you've got a professional reason (cop/military/etc)
>>29912447
try veper mags, they sell steel ones.
>>29914252
I'll check that out. Thanks!
