2 million gun licenses
5 million guns
Not bad for such a restrictive country with only 25m people
Until these stats were released we were told it was 850,000max
>>29898973
Still won't mean anything as all your gun rights are fucked up.
Remember you deserved this for going with them in the first place you weal willed Australian shits, maybe you should have behaved like we did in the US and actually fought back instead of sook.
>>29898973
>the amount of people who own guns in australia only take up 2/3 the amount of people living in my city in the US
That's... sad...
>>29898973
And all 2,000,000 will bend over and take it during the next confiscation.
Face it you lost 20 years ago.
>>29899067
As an Australian I regrettably agree with this statement, the majority of Australians don't have that kind of militant attitude towards government to take a day, a week, etc off work to protest, though our numbers are growing, I highly doubt anyone would would even bother trying to get a day off for fear of losing their job simply because of the attitude people have towards you if you own/want to own firearms. I'll remain optimistic that we can have some form of change and get more freedom in what we can own as licenced shooters, but I know the chances of this are quite slim
>>29899086
I choose to be optimistic
>>29899106
You've chosen to be disappointed.
>>29899114
Youve chose to be defeatist
>>29899118
Quality pic of Cat C/D firearms there mate.
>>29899118
noice
>>29899118
I agree, all this negative bullshit from Americans is unhelpful and any Aussies being totally defeatist are as bad as the "cucks" they blame. I'm out there spreading the good word, got 5 mates doing their safety course this weekend.
I'm 24 at the moment, I had no say in our laws being totally fucked up. Self defence laws in this country have been fucked for the best part of a century so saying "haha u bent over" is fucking stupid, people two generations ago thought were arrogant enough to think they'd evolved past the need for personal self defence. Which is obviously moronic.
Instead of saying "nothing will ever change" or the ever helpful chestnut "just have a civil war dude" from fuckwit seppos who had the fortune to be born in a country with constitutionally recognised rights and will never suffer the fate of being born in a country completely run by lefties who have destroyed gun culture, lets do what we can do. Participate in gun culture, recruit other people to participate, and lobby politicians.
There are some interesting libertarian/nationalistic parties forming which could be a useful way to vote with your feet rather than throwing your vote away with the big two gun grabbers.
>>29899148
LDP all the way!
>>29899114
25% increase in 2 years, say what you want, thats substantial
>>29899162
straight pull slr pls
>>29899148
You are exactly the kind of gun fondling fuckwit I dread taking up shooting with "self defence" delusions. Please tell us how many thousand $ you spent tacticooling your Remington 7650.
>>29899067
>>29899086
>>29899114
>>29899129
>>29899182
Literally defeatists
Jesus christ you sorry sacks of shit, we are trying, its people like you that made the gun ban possible
>>29899182
Fuck off cuck.
>>/lgbt/
>>29898973
Dear Australia,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
From, America
>>29899174
If that becomes a thing I will get three.
>>29899246
Is that archangel abomination on the far right cat H?
>>29899280
Why laugh? This is a good thing that more people are owning guns
>>29899182
fudd
>>29899030
Oh shut the fuck up, we're in a damn near same situation with clinton being a very real probability, and is going after gun manufacturers for sandyhook. Roughly half the delegate value in the country doesn't seem to care about the second amendment at all.
>>29899297
That's nice but the 2A still stands and cannot be infringed.
>>29899148
Godspeed anon, I wish you and your people the best.
>>29899301
You're implying laws cant be changed
The Australian constitution has something very similar to the 2nd amendment, issue? Nobody cared what an old piece of paper said in 1996
>>29899161
LDP are big business stooges trying to sell public infrastructure out from under us
>>29899322
That's the difference.
In Australia no one cared and they payed the price for it.
Here we have a VERY vocal and strong gun community that makes people care about the 2A.
>>29899033
You live in a country of 300mil+
That's just filthy
>>29899301
The 2A doesn't stop lawsuits against manufacturers or dealers who follow the law. We can have the right to own guns but that doesn't guaranty we can have civilian guns imported or domestic guns sold. Think of the 22LR situation--it's been 4 years and it's still stuck in low inventory.
With Donald Trump as the presumptive nominee, I certainly won't support him but will still support my congressman.
>>29899330
>Think of the 22LR situation
You can blame the plethora of panic buying fudds for that one.
>>29899301
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California
Tell me again how those are constitutional?
Mexico had a constitution protecting firearms that was circumvented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1824_Constitution_of_Mexico
So tell me again, how exactly the second amendment will stand if we continue to vote anti-gun fascist cunts.
>>29899345
>So tell me again, how exactly the second amendment will stand if we continue to vote anti-gun fascist cunts.
You could try not voting for them you know.
>>29899355
The point is the 2nd amendment is a good defence, but its not an impenetrable wall
The NFA and clinton ban proove this
>>29899301
> I am too young to remember when the current most popular rifle in the US was illegal at the federal level for 10 years.
>>29899182
Found the spinless faggot fudd.
I bet you think licensing is a good thing.
>>29899148
>There are some interesting libertarian/nationalistic parties forming which could be a useful way to vote with your feet rather than throwing your vote away with the big two gun grabbers.
Interesting also to read today that the Greens aren't getting any priority off either Lib or Labor, so that'll at least marginalise them a bit more and keep them from passing any more of their shit, anti gun policies
>>29899182
You're the exact kind of fuckwit I dread having his girly little voice heard at the next greens against guns rally.
Fucking little bitch.
>>29899374
Goddamn I hate the Greens + their ilk.
They apparently love trees and nature and pass all these shit laws to 'protect' them (including getting rid of backburning, fire breaks not allowing logging so the forests are overgrown and the roads go unmaintained), but have never stepped out of the big city.
where can I vote to ban them?
>>29899284
Yeah, its retarded you can have an SBR 10/22 easier than a 10/22
>>29899322
Difference is that in America, the constitution actually carries legal weight, unlike other countries.
>>29899330
>The 2A doesn't stop lawsuits against manufacturers or dealers who follow the law
No, there's a special federal law which does that since 2006.
>>29899370
By name, not design, you could still get a Colt AR, though it would feature a fixed stock, no flash hider (or a permanently pinned muzzlebrake), lack a bayonet lug, and only come with 10rd mags.
Not ideal at all, but it was still an AR
>>29899404
>Goddamn I hate the Greens + their ilk.
Yeah they're pretty fucking terrible most of the time and city slicker hypocrites at best.
Least they don't get much traction out in the country, waving the green flag in some parts will get your teeth knocked down your throat.
>>29899030
You said it.
Prohibition on firearms could have been taken to the high court as a freedom of individual expression but the owners got cucked when they were told that licensing would mean that petmit holders would be the good guys.
But decisions in the high court get legislated against by the states even though it's unlawful & lower court magistrates are told to ignore high court rulings, tecnically treason, which the population then lets happen so australians are double cucked.
>>29899481
Something must be done about all this cuckolding!
>>29899372
>licencing
>tfw you will never live in 80's Tasmania/Queensland
>you will never buy an M-16 over the counter, no muss no fuss
You have to remember that most of the people taunting Australia like this faggot >>29899280
are a bunch of noguns. This is /k/ afterall.
>>29899497
>You will never buy an m16 in Tasmania and proceed to murder 35 people with it.
ftfy
I love guns as much as the next bolt but you can't really justify a semi or full auto gun when a bolt gun does the job of target shooting/hunting just fine.
>>29899510
Justify it to whom?
>>29899521
Yourselves/whichever ruling authority
And no-one is dense enough to believe a government would enslave it's own people at the drop of a hat if it weren't for guns.
>>29899118
>mr internet tough guy has arrived
>implying you would do anything
>>29899538
what is a government if not a collection of people,collections of people have enslaved people at the drop of a hat for centuries,perhaps not their own people, but do you truly believe that all or even some people in the government identify with the population of america?
>>29899182
Member of colition for gun control detected
>>29899510
3 Gun
IPSC
Goats
Pigs
There are plenty more "reasons" to justify semi autos. Don't get in to that thinking kthx
Please nigga
>>29899510
Fuck you.
>>29899510
Holy shit you're a fucking loser
>>29899301
>That's nice but the 2A still stands and cannot be infringed.
Until they rewrite it so every state has to follow Californias example, when you get complacent is when they will get you.
>>29900739
Yeah Amendments don't work that way.
Also the only reason states don't get cracked down on their illegal gun control is because the feds are aligned with them. If the grabbers lose the white house....then there's no more shield they can use to protect their tyrannical laws.
>>29899033
You live in Los Angeles?
That must suck.
>ITT: defeatists and Americans making fun of the few Australians resisting an authoritarian government soas to distract themselves from the frighteningly rapid growth of their own.
Australia needs every bit of progress it can get, and at this point so do we. A healthy portion of the gun grabbing attitude is about lets-be-progressive-like-europe vanity. The less anti the world is, the less anti the antis will be.
>>29899033
His arsenal sucks tbqh
>>29898973
How about a source instead of a Facebook post?
Not that I'm doubting you, just so I can save it on my phone.
>>29899246
What's the rules with the archangel ruger charger? I thought the laws in Australia stated anything looking military is now cat D. (which is retarded but w/e).
>>29899324
Whereas the big government already took our guns and rights and kneels to chinese.
Why don't Aussies have their own /k/ general like Canadians?
>>29899408
So, that image, your saying, you could buy an AR as long as it didn't have a muzzle device on it?
>>29900914
This, any fellow American talking shit to Aussies over them trying to stand up for their gun rights is a dumbshit that takes /int/ bantering too seriously
>>29899562
2008: 850k licenses
2016: 1.9m licenses
Cut it whatever way you want, but thats how we pad our numbers before we do anything
>>29903924
Fuck yeah we can win this fight
>>29900976
Crimtrac website
>>29903963
That rifle makes my pants tight.
>>29900753
>tfw actually live in Los Angeles
>feels bad man.
I honestly think that unless god emperor trump saves us...we commiefags are fucked. In which case you aussies, canadians, and the europeans will probably get your gun rights back before we ever get unfucked like a decade from now. Hell even New York state might just tell the City to fuck off, like how Illinois did and how in most other states they have huge rallies to protest and defy gun control in Washington, Oregon, and Colorado which bodes well for them too.
Of course we could always move, but fuck that. No American or any citizen of any country should have such a huge discrepency of rights just from where they live.
>>29899322
Not here in America bro
If you're happy about your numbers, look at ours last year and the year before.
We are giving up our weapons anytime soon. You should focus your anger towards your parents generation, they fucked you "24" year olds over
A lot of you have short memories, how many of you personally dissobeyed the 94 assault weapon ban or the machine gun ban? We all just put up with it but it was lucky it only lasted 10 years. Most of you haven't done anything to better our laws and I bet you would bend over just as quick if you were in the Australian's position.
>>29904242
Thanks m8
>>29899030
Don't be a total cocksucker. I like to poke fu at Ausfalians too, but most of them on here probably weren't old enough to have been afforded an opinion on the subject when the confiscation occurred.
I'm much less sympathetic of the cucks who support the laws but also think they support gun rights and try to defend their shit tier laws. My feels extend outward for pro gun and freedom Aussies who got cucked simply because of where they were born.
>>29899510
> You can't justify a semi or fully auto
Yes, I can. MILLIONS of rounds are fired off every week by John and Jane Smith with their semi-autos, and they have zero intention of doing anything harmful to you or your own. But apparently you can't let them have their fun, can you?
Just drop the charade and you'll have more time so you can work hard at trying to prohibit private swimming pools, cars that go over the speed limit, and alcohol.
>>29904442
Speeding, drug use, insider trading, and drunk driving rates seem to indicate that a significant number of American's have little qualms of violating the laws if they think they can get away with it.
>>29899510
>cant justify the most common type of gun
Not sure if cuck or just retarded..
>>29904242
It's appauling that licensed shooters are kept in the same database as criminals.
>>29907922
Guilty until proven innocent mate
The licensing numbers should be taken with a grain assault. Cat AB&B and Cat H are considered different licenses and most people will go for both.
>>29907922
Once a convict always a convict
>>29899033
How I feel sometimes.
My family would be frightened if they knew how much funs and ammo I had in my safe.
>>29909112
No they arent, cat A amd B are considered 1 license, however H has not been confirmed
I guarantee you at the minimum we are looking at 1.5m
>>29909112
The stats call for individual firearms license.
Regardless whether you're Cat A/B/C/D/H, it's all once license. The Cats just clarify which weapons you're eligible to own.
There will be however a large portion of people with a Cat A license specifically for paintball shooting. So you can cut a number from the total figure.
>>29899129
lever shotguns are cat B
>>29909817
Till the end of the year, then they'll be cat C/D
>>29909294
>She's a good sport when I make her wear my work gear
100% unused work gear, must be married to a dindu.
>>29909817
>>29909852
They are cat A
https://youtu.be/p3PFh4Ga03U
A reminder pre 1996 you could buy full autos over the counter in queensland and tasmania
>>29909941
I might just fucking cry looking at the fun they are having.
They would never of known that 2 years later it would all come crashing down.
Post funs fellow /k/angaroos
>>29909986
>That blood splatter of the bedsheets
Calling AFP now for the firearm crime you just committed/are encouraging with that symbolism.
>>29909993
maybe he just broke his hymen
>>29909986
>>29909993
>>29910007
Have an infected nose capillary atm, get blood noses pretty easy
>>29909986
>Be Australian
>Go to Europe to see family
>Take opportunity to shoot FUNZ
>Anything that is not full auto or semmi doesn't seem as fun anymore
Just fuck my shit up senpai. The day when I can legally carry a handgun in my car will be the day when I start feeling patriotic about my country.
>>29910020
>tfw you will never not live in a nanny state
>>29910025
Well next elections are coming up, might as well vote LDP again.
>>29910027
>voting for LDP gun grabbers
Labour have consistently stood up for the working man's rights and do so on the issue of guns as well, put them as 1 on your paper.
>>29899510
Holy shit the cuck is strong in you, boot licking faggot
>>29910027
if it gets worse im going to do everything i can to leave this country
>>29910033
What are you talking about. LDP =/= liberals. LDP are a libertarian party who want to legalize concealed carry for self defense.
>>29910033
Ha you fucking moron
>>29909986
>no picture
Toz 78
Anschutz 1416
Nugget 91/31, 1938 Tula ex-sniper
SMLE MkIII, 1943 Lithgow
Ruger Scout
Tikka T3
It's a shame I can't find surplus ammunition for the Nugget anymore, 7.62x54mmR is expensive, .303 is even worse.
>>29910033
Howards laws in '96 were just the laws Keating was wanting to introduce.
>>29903381
During the 94-04 AWB, there were certain features on weapons whicg were deemed to be for "assault weapons", these included:
>pistol grips
>vertical foregrips
>folding or collapsing stocks of any kind
>bayonet lugs
>grenade launchers (even the muzzle grenade kinds)
>threaded barrels
>flash hiders
Between 94-04, unless it was a grandfathered pre-ban weapon, any newly made weapon could only have one of these features (most going for a pistol grip).
A rifle couldn't have a threaded barrel or flash hider and then have something else, so it would either feature a plain barrel, or a permanently fitted muzzlebrake,.
Detachable magazines weren't covered by the Federal ban, this was something which was added later in the California specific ban, basically leaving people to have to pick between detachable magazines and a pistol grip, this is where strange creations and solutions would begin happening, like the bullet button (a magazine release which isn't actually a magazine release), and then all manner of odd grips and stocks (like the Monsterman grips, Kydex grip covers, and all manner of stocks attaching as grips, leaving the buffer tube bare on AR-15s).
>>29899246
Always a bit strange to see my own pic getting posted up here by someone else.
>>29899086
Fuck off if their is a protest against further restrictions in Brisbane I am in.
Work can wait. Ill take it as a cultural leave day. If the kebabs at work can have a day off at Ramadan for thinga ill have a day off to be with my fellow worshippers of the /k/ube.
>>29910258
fellow Brisbaner
im in
>>29899246
You've gotta tell me senpai what archangel kits and pieces I need to make a ruger charger into that.
First thing I do when I get cat H.
ps isn't >10 round mag illegal on cat h?
>>29910291
Meant to comment to
>>29910158
>>29910291
some gun stores sell long mags that are capped at 10rds,
>>29910322
>>29910276
And my axe.
>>29910326
Personally i think they're retarded, but who really cares if someone wants to look tacticool
>>29910376
[spoiler] you can also take out the block and viola 25 round mag [/spoiler]
that's the real reason they sell them
>>29910380
Suppose it's like the pins "falling out" of pinned mags.
>>29898973
>25 million people.
You need at least 75million guns. Keep working on it.
>>29899345
Bro, our 2nd amendment prevents circumvention of the 2nd amendment.
They come for our guns and ammo? They get the ammo first, one round at a time.
>>29899510
But you need guns to fight the government. If they don't let you have the ones that do that best it's because they plan to make you their slave.
People seem to not understand this one in particular.
>>29910407
So what happened in 86? Then in 94?
>>29909986
I'm doing my part
>>29910424
>it's because they plan to make you their slave
no, dont give them any credit, it makes it sound like they know what theyre doing
theyre just stupid feelings police who keep making policy into law
>>29910427
Neither involved gun or ammo confiscation.
>>29910436
It's all one step closer to the gallows. With an attitude like that you won't know you're in trouble until the floor drops.
>>29910435
Is the Adler going to be the Australian equivalent of the AR-15?
>>29910461
>Is the Adler going to be the Australian equivalent of a belt fed machine gun with hot swappable barrels and armor piecing rounds
yes
t.greens
>>29910465
Well it is a rapid-fire high capacity semi-automatic style weapon.
>>29910501
>semi-automatic style
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
also air guns better come off the fucking registry
>>29910513
It's how they get around lying
>But we didn't call it semi-automatic!
While technically true it's still blatant disinfo bullshit.
also Airsoft when?
>>29909986
>>29910435
>another winchester wildcat
das it mane
Best first gun to buy?
Why are American's such try hard cunts? Why can't they handle the bantz?
>>29910291
Its actually a Nordic Chassis. (They are more expensive then the Archangel kits but heaps better)
So to make your Ruger Charger like that you need.
Nordic Chassis
Magpul MOE FDE AR15 type grip
AR15 type buffer tube + castle nut
Magpul ACS-L in OD Green
Daniel Defence licensed airsoft quad rail from hobbyking (Its a .22 range toy so honestly doesnt need much and the airsoft DD rails are pretty decent)
Magpul XTM rail covers in FDE and OD green
Magpul AFG in OD green
Aimpoint PRO red dot optic
Internally it has
Upgraded bolt buffer
PWS T3 Mag release
Auto bolt release
Competition hammer in trigger group
One of these bolt handles http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/bolt-parts/bolt-charging-handles/ruger-10-22-extended-charging-handle-prod41036.aspx
As for why I run the limited full size mags, its because the magazines in the 10/22 tend to get a bit stuck and don't free fall, so with a full size mag you can knock it out easier when reloading. I mostly use 10 round BX25s with it.
The gun is very accurate, even with the stock removed I don't have difficulty knocking over Met Sil rams at 100m fairly consistently.
>>29899481
There is no right to individual expression in Australia - I'd recommend you brush up on the Constitution. What rights we possess are largely those "given" to us by the legislature.
If only we had something like the 2nd Amendment, then we'd at least have *some* basis for a principled defense of gun ownership.
>>29899322
>The Australian constitution has something very similar to the 2nd amendment
No it most certainly fucking doesn't. Point me to the section of the constitution which grants such a right.
>>29899322
>>29911343
I really wish that we as a country had fundamental rights protected by our constitution, however we dont.
The only right you have is to be justly compensated in the event the Federal Government compulsorily acquires your property. Which is better then nothing I suppose. Doesn't apply to the States though.
>>29911287
fuck thanks for the info man. how much do you think total the gun cost you?
>>29911359
True. Good to see someone has read a little bit about our Constitution.
It's a shame we have such weak rights protection in Australia (aside from the rights expressly or impliedly contained in the Constitution, e.g. the implied separation of the legislature and judiciary under Chapter III, the only rights we have are those of the common law - and these can be overridden if the legislature expresses an intention to do so).
It's a double shame that even if we obtain more express rights via a constitutional amendment, the right to self-defense or the bearing of arms won't be one of them...
>>29911378
I forgot one other thing as well. I am using a PWS 10" Tension barrel.
Alll up that rigs a bit over 2K.
600 for Charger
300 for Chassis
300 for barrel
600 for aimpoint
200 for the stock and grips
100 for the internal parts
>>29911406
Yeh a right to arms or self defense would be great. Not going to happen though unless some crazy shit went down (I.E Indos go Iranian and decide to invade or Tony Shortenbull declares himself supreme leader and sparks a gloroius revolution.
I think a constitional change to add in a bill of rights protecting free speech might be possible.
Maybe a right to privacy and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure.L
>>29911778
Did you go to an armourer for the internals? Or is cat H allowed to be modified more freely?
>>29911972
Nothing stopping you from making minor changes to your own guns in all States and Territories as far as I am aware (wouldn't surprise me if WA had something against it though).
Its just swapping out parts not significant modifications, and definitely not a modification of construction or action which is the only kinda related offence possible in QLD.
>>29899182
Low quality bait detected.
>>29910461
More like Australia Mossberg 500/ Rem 870
>>29913133
Kinda hope a few make it stateside, would be baller to see some Yank turn it into a Trenchgun, with bayonet, heat-shield and no trigger disconnect.
>>29913182
You could rig it up like the 1892 from The Rifleman, little screw on the lever so it hits the trigger on the way up
>>29910655
I love the pistol grip with short barrel combo adler!
>>29910090
>muzzle break
>>29910435
What's your circuit judge chambered in? Do you like it?
>>29917148
.44 magnum, love it but its not a precision rifle by any means haha
The only real downside is .44 magnum isnt cheap
>>29899327
>That's just filthy
The country is huge, buddy.
>>29917172
Ah yeah nice, I don't think they make it in .44 anymore do they? Can only find it chambered .22 and .45lc/.410. Been thinking about getting one as a non Cat C/D rifle for destroying the million feral cats and foxes that live on my property
>>29917192
Australia has a larger surface area than the contiguous US
>>29917192
Kek
>25m people
>>29917226
Nah they dont, thats why I paid a bit of a premium when I found a new .44 magnum after they were discontinued
>>29917309
I'll see if I can find second hand, if not I'll end up with the .45lc model. Thanks anon
>>29917295
Just searched this
>dear god
On our maps Australia looks tiny compared to the USA
How do you have 1/15th the population with such a massive land mass?
>>29917348
People here pretty much only live on the east coast and 80% of Australians live less than 50km from the ocean. The inland is a harsh and tough place to live, which is fantastic because it means you can buy hundreds of acres there for the same price as a tiny apartment in a bad area of a city.
>>29917426
Also we're mostly concentrated in the cities. Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane account for over half our population
Part of the reason the laws are the way they are- majority of people live in urban areas, feel no need to have a gun, ignorance ensues so they decide to trust in the government and The Project for the answers.
Meanwhile those out bush don't give two shits about politics outside of 'vote Nationals'. Who play second fiddle to the Libs, so ultimately they also vote for more gun control
>>29899182
Fuck off, fudd. You're the exact type of person that takes away our rights.
>>29916122
I'm not a fan of the straight grip that came with the 20" barrel.
>>29917348
>How do you have 1/15th the population with such a massive land mass?
Because most of it is desert, you idiot.
Learn some shit about the world ffs.
>>29917348
because "FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL" chanting retarded right wingers refuse to let immigrants in even though we could house all of europe and still have space to spare.
>>29920266
and do you remember how much of that land is arable from primary school sonny? back to marxist daycare you go
>>29899148
I would love to get into guns but I can't afford it. I'd only enjoy it if I had a massive property I could shoot on.
I wouldn't mind going and getting a licence just to show, but don't want to have to pay to renew it.
>>29920900
10 year license is $400
>>29920900
>Get a license for 5 or 10 years depending on state $2-400
>buy a cheap .22 like a norinco jw15 $300 inc transfer fee
>SSAA membership $100
>ebay safe/locker $100
>500 rounds of .22 ~$50
So a gun and 500 rounds of ammo is under $1000
And then you will suddenly realise you want more
>pic related
>>29921050
> >pic related
I can see this shirt being worn unironically by anti-gunners
>>29920320
Plenty more then what we use. The North of the country is practically mpty and isnt farmed or devolped to any extant. Could easily support a much larger population.
Still nothing like the USA though. The center of the country is fucking worthless apart from mines.
>>29909986
My lever shotguns.
Have a Pardus on order as well that QGE says should arrive in 2 weeks.
>>29921050
That doesn't include private property to shoot on, I don't want to go shooting at a range because Im scared of people I don't know.
>>29920266
Fuck off you immigrant lover, go back to wearing your Che Guevara shirts...
What's the laws on targets in Australia?
I hear you can't shoot at human silhouettes?
Can I shoot at zombie pictures?
>>29921497
Literally nothing in law saying you can't shoot at human targets.
We don't because the anti's us every excuse already to try portray us as training a paramilitary militia and us shooting targets that aren't humans helps the normies sleep easier.
Every range in Aus bans human targets. Nothing stopping you from shooting a picture of Howard on private property though, just like nothing stopping you from getting toilet rolls with Howards face printed on them.
>>29921357
Literal autism.
>>29921688
Its an SSAA rule for their ranges not a law
>>29921710
Thats what I am saying, you will find every range has that rule though.
>>29917172
>its not a precision rifle by any means
Try some Leverevolution rounds, better flight characteristics out of a rifle barrel (and better penetration).
>>29917348
Americans don't live spread evenly across the country, there's shitloads of empty space there too.
>>29921880
Rossi Circuit Judges in .44 Mags are fundamentally inaccurate because they are poorly made.
The cylinder gap is massive, the chambers tend to be a bit rough, the forcing cone is excessively long, some of them have the front sight screw protruding into the barrel. The triggers are heavy as fuck as well.
Not well made. I have one, its a fun thing for dumping lead into pigs when running through the scrub but not so much for a precise firearm. Of course pig hunting tends to be rough dirty work so it matches that, I don't give a fuck if the cheap thing gets scratched up.
>>29922052
That sounds horrible, guess hardcast is good enough.
Can the ones with the levers be fired in double action at least? Or are they single action only?
>>29922211
No idea about the lever ones, they seem pretty fucking useless though. Like why not just a normal lever gun?
>>29911778
Is the charger a takedown model or not?
>>29923000
It is a normal model.
I don't think the takedown models will work in the chassis.
>>29923181
That's good, normal model is cheaper and sturdier from what I've read.
I just thought it might be a takedown since you change the barrel and the takedown seemed to facilitate that easily.
>>29923251
The barrels are easily changed anyway, all you do is undo the barrel block and pull it out. Sometimes they are a bit stuck when new so working the action and letting the bolt smack it a few times can help get it out.
When you change the barrel you might need to run some sandpaper inside the receiver to smooth it out, the aftermarket barrels tend to be a tad larger then the factory barrels and need the surface smoothed out.
You also need to line the extractor grove on the barrel up with the extractor on the bolt, with some of the aftermarket barrels this can leave them at a bit of an odd angle as far as the barrel block goes but having the extractor in is more important.
Takes me about 10 minutes to swap a barrel. So the procedure isnt overly difficult, there is no need to headspace either provided the barrel is in sufficiently because the bolt stops on the barrel.
>>29923303
Where are the best places to shop online in Australia?
>>29923408
cleavers is your best bet, they are cheap and the least fudd shop in the country. they deal with a lot of semi auto, full auto, "tactical" and modern stuff. They are cunts though and I wouldnt trust them as far as I can throw them.
>>29899510
Firstly, fully automatic firearms do not work like they do in the movies. There is a very good reason they swiftly replaced the fully automatic M16A1 with burst M16A2 in Vietnam. Even trained soldiers couldn't effectively use the firing mode and would expend all of their munitions with very little success. All they are is good fun, very little practical application.
Also you can justify semi-autos pretty easily. If the government has them, you can have them.
Unless you're a dirty cuck who thinks the government is better than it's citizens and deserves special privileges over you and me.
>>29923432
damn their online shop is absolute ass. no paypal or any shit. I'll just ring them to order I guess.
>>29923470
try any other Australian gun shop's online site. Normally it's like stepping back into 1999
>>29923550
rpgfirearms.com.au is great.
Blast from the past, have bought from the old bloke as well.
As for best place to shop online I would say Cleavers have the best website in Aus, Brownells in the States will export heaps of stuff though as long as the order is under a $100 total you don't need an ITAR export license either, most Cat A/B/H stuff can be imported a B709 which is normally pretty easy to get as well. (Though customs misses 90% of my imports anyway so the import permit is often a moot point)
I do heaps of imports for my own needs, did more when the dollar was worth something though.
>>29923470
Don't ever backorder anything with Cleavers or most Aussie gun stores, they tend to screw that up pretty badly.
Since I am reasonably close to Cleavers I just buy from the store in person.
>>29923770
What about rebel gun works?
>>29923450
>There is a very good reason they swiftly replaced the fully automatic M16A1 with burst M16A2 in Vietnam.
Economics.
And not being willing to just train grunts to fire in controlled bursts as they see fit (which isn't even remotely difficult) instead settling for a burst cam which gives you a shit trigger, and is of questionable use.
American soldiers don't even employ burst OR full auto in 90% of cases, being trained to fire in semi-auto at any regular distance with the M16A2 and M16A4 (you know as well as I that you can lay down good rapid fire on semi). Then you have the M4A1 and Mk.18, which is employed regularly in full-auto in closer quarters.
>>29923854
Rebel are pretty alright with backorders, though they tend to be a bit more expensive then the other stores in the area, I generally won't buy any new guns through them as you can save a few hundred by going to QGE down the road or up to Cleavers.
But if you want something old and obscure then they often have what you need, heaps and heaps of Mil surp.
>>29923870
To fill in, removing the burst cams from all M16s in US Service would change things very little in how they would be used.
How would I go purchasing a couple ruger 10/22 25 roung mags in america and taking them back on the plane?
Legal? Need any paperwork? Do I have to declare?
QLD btw
I really want a Beretta FS for the aesthetics.
Is buying used ever a good idea or should I just pay a couple hundred more and get brand new?
>>29924074
92 FS*
>>29923870
>Using control bursts is sooooo easy when getting shot at!
Okay dude.
>>29899148
American here who thinks that I'D be much better off if YOU were armed.
How can I help?
I remember some anon a while ago mentioned some (currently facebook only) group that was dedicated to gun rights for you lot, but I don't do social media, & have since forgotten the name of the outfit.
Is there an Australian version of the NRA I can join/throw money at? I'll help in any way that I can, & would encourage all other Ameri/k/ans to do the same. Gun rights should be universal.
>>29899280
You're a real sack of shit, aren't you? You should be doing whatever tbe fuck you can to help them out..
Come home White men
This is good news for Australia. Here in Canada we had a similar number going into 2015, though I'm sure it's gone up significantly since then. As a percentage of population it's probably pretty close. We have semi autos and handguns here, it's possible you guys might be able to get them back with enough time and effort. Best of luck Aus folks.
>>29924036
It is legally complicated. All firearm magazines need paperwork and need to be declared. Some magazines can be imported on a B709 which is any easy permit to get if you have a license. Others need a attorney generals official purpose permit and if you have to ask about them you can't get one.
These mags need an AG permit)
>detachable firearm magazine with a capacity of more than five (5) rounds for a semi-automatic shotgun, pump-action shotgun or a fully automatic shotgun
>detachable firearm magazine with a capacity of more than ten (10) rounds for a semi-automatic rim-fire rifle, semi-automatic centre-fire rifle, pump-action centre-fire rifle, lever-action centre-fire rifle, or a fully automatic firearm
>detachable firearm magazine with a capacity of more than 15 rounds for a repeating action centre-fire rifle
>A firearm magazine, having a capacity of more than five rounds, for lever-action shotguns.
See
https://www.border.gov.au/Busi/Impo/Proh/Firearms-and-weapons/ammunitions-magazines
>TLDR
>No you cannot import a BX25. But you can have a 10 round mag.
>>29924729
just fuck my shit up.
well at least I can buy them in 15 round without worries with a B709A, well, hopefully.
I'll a couple 10/22 and CZ 15 rounds mags would be alright.
>>29924074
You can go second hand without issue, generally worth saving the money desu. A 92FS can be had very cheap second hand in Aus, mostly because they are shit.
>>29924808
Nope.
10 round limit for 10/22 type mags because they are a semi-auto rimfire magazine.
>>29924396
Yeah just change your retard immigration laws
>>29924729
>attorney general
reeeeee when can we kick these fucking monarchists out of our country.
can't wait for the next referendum when they are given the boot
>>29924829
but there's plenty of bolt repeaters that take those mags right?
>>29924811
Why are they shit? well besides the trigger which I'm assuming can be changed. The gun just looks soo nice.
>>29924845
Irrelevant, the controls go to the higher level.
Also you will only be able to bring in 10 round CZ 452/455 magazines because the CZ 512 exists.
>>29924854
Because they are, just accept it.
You will be able to get one real cheap though, the fuckers just about rust onto the shelfs in stores.
>>29924862
Wow so even if I don't have license to own cat c or d I cannot possess mags greater than a certain capactiy?
Just fuck my liberty up.
What the hell can I buy in america?
>>29924832
This
Moving to Freedom land is stupidly hard.
Its still a long term goal though.
>>29924901
ITAR restrictions apply in America to you as well just so you know, so legally technically kinda not much sorta.
>Visit burgerland
>buy 80% lower + parts kit + upper + 30 round mags + boxes of ammo
>?????
>profit
>>29924901
You can posses them, just not import them.
So I could buy a 25 round CZ 455 mag that is on usedguns at the moment and use it (in QLD). But I cannot import that same magazine.
>>29924926
>>buy 80% lower + parts kit + upper + 30 round mags + boxes of ammo
1 way ticket to jail?
>>29924944
No wonder the prices for things are so ludicrous. Can gundealers legally import them?
>>29925013
Its fine as long as you dont bring it home. Also you need to fit a certain criteria in the USA to be a alien in possesion of a gun. Like a hunting license or aomething. Make sure you fit that.
I was thinking buy it. Set it up and then seal it up and stash it somewhere innawoods.
>>29925018
If they have a AG permit sure. (They dont) A farmer with a Cat D can import them for his rifle. Thats about it.
>>29921357
Wut
Shooting in Australia is incredibly safe, the only recorded fatalities are at the rental handgun ranges with half a dozen people in 20 years offing themselves
>>29922052
They really arent that bad, or at least I got a good one
>>29922211
>>29922754
The lever is a photoshop
>>29924273
Probably Firearm Owners United like the OP
They are getting stronger
>>29925529
How could they reach a wider community? Add a website and maybe put some flyers up at the noticeboards of our local ranges?
I'm thinking of sticking up a how2vote for the next election flyer up at my range when the election draws nearer a bit.
>>29910435
What's the padding thing on your adler/pardus lever?
I need something like that for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17JCpBy5LrY
I want one.
https://vimeo.com/163256128
where can I preorder this badboy?
>>29925916
You cant, crye are only trying for military/police contracts
>>29925945
Why would they bother with the standalone ability if they were going civilian market too?
What use do police/military have for it over a semi auto?
>>29925961
if they weren't*
>>29926018
Because it fits very comoactly under a rifle like the video shows, as opposed to a second large magazine or a 3 max capacity tube
The standalone is more or less to build hype
Literally every Australian importer has tried to order the six12
>>29926077
fuug
well hopefully if they get their military and police contracts and the factory starts churning they'll send some to the civilian market
>>29925428
No I'm not really scAred of other people being unsafe, I just don't like other people in general. I'd hate being the new guy at the range with no idea of what to do.
>>29925476
Sure about that?
>>29926328
You're implying people cant photoshop professionally
Find me a photo of one in the flesh
>>29926300
What state are you in?
You guys are also ignoring the fact that there's probably at least that many "illegal" guns out there which were not turned in or registered during the last ban, especially out in the rural areas where the police largely DGAF.
Australia's gun laws are definitely more restrictive and shitty than pick your favorite Free State in America, but it's still a hundred times better than the mother country, no?
And weirdly Australia has less crime than both too. What's up with that?
>>29926448
Population density. The closer people live to one another the more likely there will be crime. Cities in general are a good example, with high population, low area, cities generally being the worst, and within cities the poor areas (usually having high pop. density because of more apartment buildings and smaller apartments) are worse than the lower pop. density areas.
>>29926492
Okay, but the vast majority of Australia's population lives in the big urban areas and the surrounding communities. Sydney's population is like 5m, Melbourne's is 4.5m, I think Brisbane is like 2m... when you tally up just the state capitals you have half the population of the entire country, and that doesn't include the satellite towns and communities that are within an hour or so from them either.
Australia's huge but the staggering majority of the interior is vast expanses of fuckin' nothing with few people in it.
>>29926492
this.
the poorest places in america are white counties. but they are rural and fairly low density so there's like no crime. people just keep on keepin on. none of that thug cultcha where u shoot anyone who looks a tu funny cuz ur the king of this block or some shit.
>>29926556
our cities are still nowhere near as dense or sprawling compared to other places.
if you really want a tough comparison pick japan.
>>29926448
The UK get semi auto shotguns and .22's with no magazine capacity or military apperance and suppressors easier than the USA
>>29926556
Compare to places like NY, Washington, and New Orleans. While Sydney and New York City have similar population densities (IIRC it's like a difference of 50/KM^2) New York also has rampant poverty issues, and other social factors involved.
>>29926425
It wasn't a challenge, it was a question, I genuinely don't know and I thought they were a thing
>>29912271
WA /komrade/ here. We do.
My ruger mkIII's mag safety release seems to have stopped functioning correctly though....
>>29910501
You forgot "state-of-the-art" and "new technology"
>Australian gun rights thread
>Much worse in terms of laws than the UK
>*Mostly* civil posting and discussion
>UK gun rights thread
>Nationalsm shitposting everywhere over things we can't own
Its you fuckers, isn't it.
Not even the clappers doing it its YOU
I KNOW IT IS
>>29926448
Someone seems to have missed the Brit thread where some dead guy's house in North England or something had like 500 guns with machine guns, hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo, and a fully functional and loaded rocket launcher. And allegedly he said he just wanted to collect them 'like stamps' and just got them from friends and private sales, so he can keep them off the street.
One ex-construction worker decided to amass the largest haul of illegal firearms ever found in Great Britain AS A HOBBY. And this is the same UK that thinks gun control actually works and goes after butter knifes.
Lord knows what the Aussies with all their ruralness and huuuge coastline could be hiding.
>>29925529
Dat AR in the middle.
Finally antifudds.
>>29926774
>>Much worse in terms of laws than the UK
HOL UP SUCKA
call me when you can own a pistol
