Gun free zones
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How much weight do these actually hold? If you open carry or conceal carry in a location with a "Gun free" zone sign, are you breaking a law?
What, if any, are the repercussions for using your firearm in a "Gun free" zone to protect yourself or others?
>>29886344
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>>29886344
Depends on if they're put up by the state or by the property owner.
If its a property owner it has no official power, they can ask you to leave their property if they spot you carrying; and if you refuse they can have you arrested, but that's it.
On the other hand if the government put them up and you cruise into a school zone, court house etc, and get caught with a gun you're probably going to get fucked.
>>29887618
depends on the state
>>29887626
If the sign is put up by the government, I'm pretty sure you're obligated.
Now the sign may not be there on schools or public buildings in some states; but if it is, I don't think you can make a very strong case that its just a suggestion.
>>29887648
what I mean is some states property owner's no gun signs carry force of law.
many have standardized signs to that effect.
other states it's only illegal to carry only on federal property, courthouses, K-12 schools, etc. and any other signs are merely suggestions.
>TLDR
>IT DEPENDS
However, as a general, "common sense" (kek, "common sense" gun control) way of looking at it
>is it a federal or state government building
Probably don't carry there. For me at least, for no other reason than they have metal detectors to enforce it.
>Post office
Federal building, probably no metal detectors, but eh I don't risk it. Not that I go to post office often.
>Hospitals
Depends. At my local hospital, I don't actually know if it is a """weapons free zone"""" but there is no enforcement before 8pm at main entrance. After 8, have to go through side entrance where they have metal detectors.
>Psychiatric Ward/Hospital
Just don't
>MLB/NFL/NBA
Despite public property in some instances, arena contracts with sports teams and leagues often place property temporarily in hands of the league, where they can enforce their own policies on private property.
>Schools
I know plenty of uhhh... Other people.... Who have carried all through college just fine on campuses that didn't allow it.
Public elementary/middle/high schools are federal gun free zones though. Whether you want to risk that is up to you.
>protip; carry anywhere that doesn't have any means to "enforce" gun free zone
>>29887670
Here in Missouri the sign has to be at least 11" x 14" with lettering at least one inch high and displayed in a conspicuous place. If you are "caught" and refuse to leave, the police can fine you up to $100 for the first offense. Personally, I'd rather spend my money somewhere else, but if I have no choice, will probably ignore the sign on a private business.
>>29886344
Depends on the state.
In IN you can carry anywhere except for
>In or On School Property.
>In or on property that is being used by a school for a school function
>On an aircraft
>at state fair
>riverboat casinos
No Gun signs don't mean shit
>>29887648
No. All you have to do is read the laws for your state, and the federal laws which simply say you may not carry on federal property. There is no speculation, this stuff is all written down.
Thread should have ended right here >>29887587
Carry anywhere they are not going to search you, if you can not conceal a firearm on your person well enough then you're an idiot.
Correctly carrying a firearm is skill, you get better at that skill by practicing it. You will not get charged with terrorism if you do the jabooti shooti on Mad MOhammed the Muslim.
Here in Chile carrying a firearm is not allowed but if you do it anyways and use it to kill someone for self-defense you don't get charged for murder, only for unlawful carry. Self-defense itself is typified as a constitutional right and overrides other laws.
>>29886344
A lot. Any US citizen would respect it. If we had this in columbine they kids would've turned back because they lived in the US and would've played doom angsty...which should be banned cuz doom is satanic and it has no women or people of color so it's bad.
OP depends the location. If it's small biz and you know the person they might give you a weird room.
>>29886344
If you're referring to places like Buffalo wild wings and shit, they can ask you to leave and if you don't they can call the cops and they can remove you if you don't, but I don't think you can get charged with anything (besides trespassing or whatever if you continue to cause a scene and won't leave)
>>29888194
Nobody is going to call the cops on you if you're not a sperglord, they may ask you politely to leave but they aren't going to try clubbing you over the head with a stick. Unless you go in to Flowers By Fiona and the owner is a dried up old crone who's children haven't called her in 4 years and her husband has been banging the secrertary for 2... she might.
>>29888203
No he's right. A place can ask you to leave, and if you refuse you are then trespassing and they can get the police involved when you start "muh rights"ing them.
Can't be assed to dig it up, but there are also stories of concealed carriers getting tackled by "heroes" in public places. One resulted in the tackler calling the cops and then, to his dismay, getting arrested for assault.
Don't overestimate people. Not everyone is rational.
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>>29886344
depends on the state
Wow, "depends on the state" is really the /k/ version of "depends on the setting."
>>29886344
depends on the state.
In some, they basically indicate that a CCer is tresspassing.
In others, they have the full weight of a government-posted gun free zone.
>What, if any, are the repercussions for using your firearm in a "Gun free" zone to protect yourself or others?
Self-defense is an affirmative defense in US law. Basically, you can break minor laws and get away with it if legal self defense is established.
I.e. consider ohio knife laws. Carrying or using a knife as a weapon is illegal there, but if you kill someone with a knife in legal self defense, you're not going to jail for using a knife as a weapon...
look into the concept of affirmative defense more.
>>29888638
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>>29888227
>One resulted in the tackler calling the cops and then, to his dismay, getting arrested for assault.
Dear god, I need to read about this.
Unless it's a gun-free zone sign on a gov't building like a city hall, courthouse, or public school; it's a private sign and unenforceable.
It's like if you put up a speed limit sign or stop sign in front of your house; you can't ticket people for not obeying it, because it's just your sign, it's not enforceable.
That being said, by all means carry anywhere you want, private signs are meaningless, DO NOT antagonize private business owners, due to the way that 2A politics are now; if you "get into a firearm related altercation" about private gun-free zones with someone, you're probably going to get into incredibly deep legal shit anyways (not about violating a gun-free zone) but something about brandishing, assault, threatening behavior etc...
>>29888696
bro states have different fucking laws are you even american?
that's like up until last year asking "I'm a faggot can I legally marry another faggot?"
>>29887916
In NC the law only says the sign must be conspicuous and posted by the legal owner.
A couple years ago in Asheville someone went around putting 3x5 gunbuster stickers up on random businesses. Very annoying.
>>29886344
Don't let ppl know you're carrying. I carry at the hospital I work at, to the bank, etc.
