Who would win?
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1 Yamato class Battleship vs 4 Akizuki-class destroyers.
Scenario
Under the impression that the Yamato is in need of aid, the 4 Akizukis close to within 3000m of her and hail her. Yamato's only return to the hail is that she is now hostile and prepares to fire.
What happens next? Who wins the ensuing battle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akizuki-class_destroyer_(2010)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-class_battleship
>>29876959
Those hamster things.
>>29876959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_b1hpPZOaE
Burke's
>>29876959
>Episode 1: The Hunt for Red Harekaze
>Episode 4: Potty break and psychic rats
My disappointment knows no limit.
I will check episode 5, just to be sure...
>>29877032
I swear episode 4 was written by a scat fetishist
>Getting toilet paper is literally more important than contacting the authorities
Fire control is leagues better on modern ships. The destroyers would probably rake the bridge and any exposed AA positions before launching a salvo of ASMs to completely fuck the Yamato up.
>>29876959
I could run it on CMNAO. I don't know exactly what ships it has but I'm sure I could get something close.
>>29877079
This. Yamamoto is a worthless fossil.
>>29877091
Do it anon, I need to see nipshit getting ravaged
>>29877079
>>29877110
At 3000m my money is still on the Yamato hitting on first salvo. The thing can't be THAT imprecise. Though the destroyers could probably savage its bridge with their own guns by the time the Yamato's turrets are brought to bear.
>>29877132
Battleship guns weren't sniper rifles. Add then the capability of modern ship radars to track incoming shells and predict where the shell will hit and the Yamato is going to have a very bad gunnery day.
>>29877091
CMANO has Iowa in it, don't think there's Yamato-class ships in the database yet.
>>29877032
>Episode 5: Swimsuits and women's magazines psychology tests
That's it i'm done with that anime.
>>29877183
So what would be the western equivalent? WW2 Iowa vs Burkes or modern Iowa vs Burkes.
Just tell me what y'all want.
>>29877198
Go for WW2 Iowa Vs Burkes
>>29876959
If they were further away the destroyers would do evasive manuevers while plinking off everything that's needed for the Yamato to fire back. 3000m is pretty much point blank though. The first ship to be targeted would be obliterated, the rest depends on how fast they can blind the Yamato.
>>29877148
At 3000m a main gun shell have something like 5 second travel time, maximum.
>>29876959
the yamato would win hands down.
at 3000m the yamato would be able to direct fire all of its AA guns in a rapid fire broadside. at that range their is nothing the destroyers could do except wait to be hit by them:
6 155mm
6 127mm
12 25mm
2 13.1mm
a hit by the main guns is an instant kill.
each turret fires at 1 ship and insta gibs it.
the remaining destroyer is hit by the AA guns and killed.
if by some miracle, a ship still fighting after the first salvo, the AA guns clean it up.
yamato armor is invulnerable to the guns of the destroyers, so they only have missiles and torpedos. they woulndt have time to target and fire them. they would be dead within seconds
>>29877225
At 3000m they wouldn't use the main guns though but the secondary guns.
Even if we say that the Burke still have the Harpoon launchers.
They wouldn't be able to penetrate the armor of a WW2 battleship.
Couldn't Phalanx shoot down Yamatos shells?
>>29877323
Has a phalanx actually shot down anything?
>>29876959
nipmato due to surprise attack takes out 1 destroyer with a broad side
other 3 destroyers open up with everything they have and start to try evasive maneuvers
2nd destoryer is badly damaged
nipmato is sent back to where it belongs rotting on the ocean floor
>>29877323
Phalanx can barely shoot down large sub sonic missiles.
>>29877049
>Confirmed for someone who's never been on a ship before.
Most sailors would fucking KILL each other over toilet paper.
>>29877366
>on a submarine
>the last day of fresh vegetables
>>29877201
No WW2 iowa available, but i took the 1983 version and got rid of its harpoons, chaff, and CIWS. Four IIA Burkes on ASuW patrol regarding the Iowa as neutral, the Iowa steaming strait towards them and seeing them as hostile.
Tell me what i've done wrong, I know it'll be something. This game has a fuck load of details.
>>29877378
first problem is that the ship is not in broadside to the destroyers, can the AA guns even fire forward?
>>29876959
Obviously the Ice Sun would win
See it would cool down the fire sun, and when it melts it would put out the fire sun, and when the fire sun is put out with the water the coldness of space would re-melt the water back into the ice sun
checkmate faggots, lrn 2 science
>>29877091
I already did it.
Albeit there was no Yamato in it, the Iowa could be used as proxy. The modern ship also wasnt the Akizuki, but the Atago. But both have similiar AShMs anyway.
And the results:
The modern ship failed to even scratch the paint on the Iowa.
>>29877378
Dunno if there's any better you can do.
Still not an exact fight because the 80s Iowa still has 80s fire control instead of fuckhuge mechanical computers to handle its ballistics and whatnot, but it's probably as close as we're gonna get.
>>29877409
It's supposed to 1 BB on 4 DDs anon, not 1v1
>>29877378
I forgot the whole 3000m thing, its fixed now.
>>29877424
wrong photo
>>29877413
>fire control
dude... at 3000meters you can use iron sights.
>>29877422
You can do the math:
1x DDG with 8 SSM-1B vs Iowa = 6.6% damage, not a single penetration.
4x DDG with 32 SSM-1B vs Iowa = 26%4 damage, likely still no penetration, but probably some damaged sensors and weapons.
Subsonic AShMs have so far proven to be very shit against the armored belt of the Iowa.
Try using sueprsonic AShMs instead. Instant death. Pic related.
>>29877433
DD's have detected the BB but assume its neutral, as the instructors did.
>>29877450
Any way to make the Iowa more modern-ish? The show did have automated turrets and such.
>>29877450
BB thinks different
>>29877454
I don't know.
>>29877455
BB wasn't firing so I gave it a patrol mission. Result should be the same.
>>29877475
SHOTS FIRED!!
BB fired on 3 ships at once, first salvo already hit one DD, massive damage it seems.
>>29877483
DD definitely not well. i just hope the others fire their Ashm soon. with no CIWS the BB is toast.
>>29877488
whoops.
>>29877437
There is a reason why the Soviets developed oversized anti-ship missiles to sink carriers and battleships.
>>29877495
All 3 salvos hit 3 ships. Pinckney and McCampbell are hurt bad. secondaries are opening up too.
Seems the DD's have opened up with everything as well, 5inch gun, RIM's for the shells, and AShM's. Yay
Bloodbath.
>>29877506
>RIM
What, Burkes mount Phalanx guns not RIM-116
>>29877511
>>29877506
Multiple pairs of RIM-162A's incoming. Wiki says they are AA but they seem to be heading right for the ship...
I don't really know. Unless I choose the wrong Burkes, I just picked the 4 most modern.
>>29877511
Some Burkes have already swapped out their Phalanxes for SeaRAM.
>>29877527
Due to the short distance to the BB, the ESSMs can be used in anti-shipping mode, because the FCR can guide them within LOS.
But they are unlikely to do much damage.
>>29877549
Makes sense, She's burning, but little real damage.
I also checked the Burkes, they all have land attack variants of the tomahawk. Guess I fucked that up. But the instructors only had 'Training ammunition" so maybe this is close enough... You'd think at least 1 of the 4 different ships would have some AShM's.
>>29877501
And that AShM wasnt even that huge to begin with. It's a Klub-copy, essentially, with a rocket boosted penetrator accelerating it to Mach 2.9.
But it piereced the BB's belt like paper and sunk it in four hits.
>>29877566
click the damage ctr button and let's see if there are any subsystem damages on the BB.
Maybe some lucky hit has destroyed or damaged some guns.
>>29877576
I did, most of the .50's are out, one 5in is out and that's it. Main guns are still up but I don't think they have fired again.
Torpedoes inbound.
>>29877588
Second salvo of the main guns.
2 ships are sinking, 3 rounds are still on the way but I can guess the result.
BB up to 12% damage but major fire.
>>29877600
3 ships sinking, 2 torpedoes inbound, surviving ship out of missiles except for land attack Tomahawks.
I think i'll force those onto the BB.
>>29877610
TACTOM would be able to do some damage, I think.
But it's not that the Japanese have any Tomahawks of long range cruise missiles in their arsenal, though.
>Live blogging the alternate history WWII.
>>29877610
Didn't have time, 6 16in shells destroyed the last DD real quick. BB health at 17%
>>29877610
Akizukis don't have tomahawks
>>29877626
One torpedo missed.. still one left though..
>>29877631
what AShM would they have?
>>29877634
I bet shit wont hurt that much.
323mm torps will be pretty shit against an armored belt that was built to withstand WWII era Heavy Torps.
>>29877638
SSM-1B, I guess. Pretty much a Harpoon copy.
>>29877566
Most Burkes don't carry Harpoons anymore since their main role now is air defense. The offensive striking arm of the USN has always traditionally been reserved for the carrier air wings.
Plus SM-6 and SM-2 are dual purpose.
>>29877634
How does a Mk46 Mod5 even miss something this huge, Jesus...
>>29877652
>SM-6 and SM-2 are dual purpose
They also have itsfuckingnothing tier warheads, they'd do less than harpoons
>>29877643
Yeah, ASROC is primarily an anti-sub torpedo. A proper anti-ship torpedo like Mk 48 will fuck up any shit.
>>29877634
BB wins it, both torps missed. They weren't meant for ships anyway.
Real, AShM's would've been interesting but like I said before, the instructors had "training ammunition' So i guess the show was rightish.
Time for bed, its 5:30 and I haven't slept yet.
>>29877660
Yes, but since most ships these days don't carry BB-tier armor, there's literally no reason for Burkes to carry anything heavier. An SM missile is more than enough to mission kill an opposing ship.
Plus it'll be LRASM that will be doing must of the heavy anti-surface lifting from now on.
Daily reminder that the Harpoon was originally developed to sink surfaced submarines.
Yes. Surfaced Submarines. Literally the most vulnerable state for an already squishy boat.
Harpoons were never meant to attack ships.
>>29877658
It startled me too, but it says Base PH of 0. So it had no chance.
>>29876959
A salvo of modern homing torpedos would fuck up yamato so bad its nor funny. They would snap her keel and then it's game over for poor 'ol Yamato.
>>29877671
Depends on the type of ship. NSMs have heavier warheads and did a fair amount of damage to a 2k displacing Oslo-class frigate. I doubt it would mission kill a DDG.
The Oslo is the ship on the left.
>>29877683
Probably, but that's the tedious way to do it, chasing down the Yamato with a submarine.
Better use supersonic anti ship missiles that are produced and used by the thousands in the Russian and Chinese navy. Hell, even obsolete ones would suffice.
>>29877683
Of course. But the DDGs don't carry M48s.
>>29877695
The destroyers specified has two mounts of triple launch tubes.
If you want to put holes in yamato, missiles are fine but if you want to sink her, torpedoes is the way.
>>29877702
What kind of torpedos does the destroyers carry then?
OP forget to add that the destroyers in this specific scenario are only armed with training torpedoes. They landed a salvo on the Musashi and it had no effect.
![[HorribleSubs] Haifuri - 05 [720p].mkv_snapshot_13.59_[2016.05.08_12.48.46].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/20yxAn5.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Haifuri - 05 [720p].mkv_snapshot_13.59_[2016.05.08_12.48.46].jpg")
>>29877737
>>29877676
>but it says Base PH of 0
But why?
>>29877752
Anti-sub. But you think it could still got a ship.
>modern fire control, torpedos and ASMs
>vs 2RPM loltoptical FC
yeah nah yam would get fucked
>>29877843
Apparently not.
>>29877666
Anon can you run it again with two USS Kidd-class DDGs? I want to see if Harpoons would do better.
>>29877501
>Oversized
Check his pic again, he's using Kalibr copies, a small needle compared to older Soviet missiles.
