Consider a ptr. I was curious. I know the fal has a long and storied history and a cool nickname.
Does the hk91/cetme family of guns have similar acclaim?
How are ptr parkarized finishes? Is there any historical presidence or utility for using them?
Why choose ptr over fal? (not trolling actually looking for pros)
On average it's shorter, weighs less and is more accurate then the FAL. Standard model to standard model I know you can get speshull snowflake versions of each.
Inb4 shit storm of fal owners defending their poor decisions.
>>29842410
Left side charging is a plus
HK mags are dirt cheap.
>>29843464
Once opon a time, there was no PTR.
(Or DSA)
Only H&K and ridiculous prices.
If you wanted a battle rifle for less than your car note. It was either build an FAL or buy a chink M-14.
Back then FAL parts were cheap and plentiful.
>>29843567
Can confirm. I have a box of 100 of the things, and I don't even know what to do with them all.
>>29842410
>Does the hk91/cetme family of guns have similar acclaim?
Pretty comparable, really. As a matter of perspective, a few Scandinavian militaries still use them in various roles. I'm not absolutely sure that the FAL is still in use by any. That's not to say anything negative about the FAL. I don't really have enough experience with it to comment fairly, and people get REALLY passionate about these comparisons. I can tell you that the G3 family of rifles are robust as hell and a historically interesting action. I personally find my HK91 to be very comfortable, though some have complained that the ergonomics of the rifle seem to have been designed for Titanspawn. If you have big hands, get one. You'll still never push the mag release with your hand still on the pistol grip, but other than that, it's a great rifle. I haven't tried the PTR versions myself, but they seem to get positive feedback.
>>29842410
Come on, anon! Don't you want to pay 5 times the amount for the same gun, because it's a "classic"?
http://www.armslist.com/posts/5443556/houston-texas-rifles-for-sale---hk41-1966-rare-htf-golden-state-g3-type
Finally
>Springfield yes
>>29843476
HK slap is fun
>>29843567
I bought a 50 pack of beater mags for like 40 bucks. Ended up swapping parts and ended up with 20 decent magazines and 30 parts magazines.
I've also seen alot of new or unissued surplus ones for like 4 or 5 dollars.
>>29845906
Disgusting.
Also I know its just my opinion but those humped stocks you see on alot of fals are dogshit ugly.
>>29842410
Once trump opens the machine gun registration again all you need is 60 bucks for
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/G3-STEEL-SEF-LOWER-COMPLETE-40p2119.htm
And boom, machine fun.
>>29843669
Paddle release model is now avaliable.
Also pic related. I do have rather large hands though.
>>29843464
>weighs less
The weight difference is negligible.
>>29843619
>ridiculous prices.
I disagree; in the 1980s they sold for about what a PTR-91F does now, and there have been clones of the HK91 since the early 90s that were much cheaper (like the SAR-3 and C91 Sporter).
Real FN' FAL sporters are also ridiculously expensive for the same reasons as the HK91.
>>29847387
what are those grips called?
Why is that forend so expensive?
>>29847209
The paddle and steel lower GI finally made me take the leap and pick up a PTR - it's noice. The paddle is better than the FAL mag release and very much AK like
>>29843464
Honestly 18" FAL's are lighter and better balanced - the average FAL rifle is 20-22" though, and I'll steer anyone I can away from the 16" PTR's - the FAL makes a much better carbine and suppresses very easily.
That's not to say the PTR PDW pistols don't have their place for awesome MC51 and shorty
HK21 builds though.
Keep in mind I own a PTR and a FAL 16" - the HK pattern is a fantastic rifle platform and very much more accurate, the FAL is a fantastic carbine, more ergonomic and soldier friendly
>>29848021
>what are those grips called?Why is that forend so expensive?
75$ on RTGparts for a new in wrapper one
The grip is a S-F plastic lower - most guys including myself prefer the steel lowers
>>29847146
It doesn't work like that my friend, my new PTR GI came with a clipped and pinned steel SEF lower. Need a new trigger box and registered autosear and some other parts.
That said if it happens, I'll buy ALL the HK clones I can get my grubby little hands on
>>29848063
>the FAL
>a better carbine
>less muzzle velocity at 21" FAL than a 18" G3
>this makes the FAL better
>>29848021
>Why is that forend so expensive?
Because people want the clean new shit I think; mine was $29.95 "South African" surplus.
>>29848126
>What is variations in ammo for 500 alex
>And gas piston vs blowback - pistons use some energy to cycle the action
The FAL is a better carbine because the para side folder is better than HK collapsible, has less recoil and suppresses easily.
14" to 18" FAL's are the sweet spot, the 18" G3 outperforms the 21" FAL in accuracy but I already acknowledged this and am not trying to make this a G3 vs FAL thread
>>29848126
FAL's are better with cans - Adjustable gas and much less gassing than a G3 which needs new rollers and sometimes a heavier buffer
Quick reminder that ptr/hk clone guns are stamped and suitable for mass production ie:cheap. Fals are not. So they are in use still for the same reasons ak's are, they work and they're cheap. Yes the action is strong and they all have their plusses but this is and always will be the main reason.
My century C308 has been pretty bad ass.
They painted the barrel though. Pic related.
Can someone post the wiggle webm for me?
>>29850877
Why don't you have it on your phone, pham?
>>29850971
>PTR_quality.webm
>receiver says "Federal Arms Corp."
wut
>>29849486
Looks more like melted plastic to me.
>>29848063
What make it 'soldier frendly'? I understand that the roller mechanism can be a bit finicky but the cheap mags are calling me.
>>29850971
No I have a shitty iPhone so no webms unless through vlc
>>29851100
Whatever they coated the gun with. Handguard is fine of that's what your thinking.
>>29851315
Why the fuck would anyone want a rifle with a cartoon foot on the bottom?
>>29851315
what grip is that. pic is mine
>>29852757
sorry for phone pic
>>29845906
such a cutie pie rifle. good job man!
>>29851139
The FAL? Bolt hold open, the gun shotguns open for maintenance, you can stow cleaning supplies in the stock and pistol grip, better ergos, adjustable gas, etc makes it better in the hands of professional soldiers.
Roller locked guns are perfectly fine though, go out and buy a PTR and enjoy it.
>>29851139
You used to be able to get $7 FAL mags for awhile
I bought 20 of them
Also, you can get $15 FAL mags and you only ever buy them once, so it's not like you're getting murdered on your investment
>>29853014
>better ergos
>inb4 PTRfags claim otherwise
>>29853203
I haven't s hot either but ive held both.
Both felt roughly the same when shouldered.
Ptr-91 is good. Make sure to get the one with a top rail and paddle mag release.
>>29853014
>adjustable gas
>versus a gun that functions fine with all ammo
As an FAL owner, that's a stupid reason
>>29842410
>general
Please stop
THE FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT
>>29854166
>dat LOP
>>29848827
> opinion
>>29848117
"Registered"
>>29849111
I almost want to pick apart your paragraph and tell you why it's basically a shitpost, but it's late and I have no skin in the clone game. Instead, I'll just say "Yeah, we know. Thanks.".
>>29849486
Good fuck. What does that even smell like when you put three mags through it? I've been dissuading people from the C308s and wondering if maybe I was being judgemental about how they look, but that's just absurd. Does that crud become malleable after extended use? I'm kinda curious what would happen if you tried to solve that shit with acetone. I'd be worried about napalm-hot black goop jizzing all over my hand. Also, how is that rear sight? It felt blasphemous to me, but still seemed practical-ish.
>>29847209
Best I can get for my HK91 is a tac-latch, or get the thing mutilated.
>polymer trigger housing
That's cheating, Anon. I could reach it that way. Maybe I should get one.
>>29853229
>a top rail
Heathen.
>>29854667
Still more of a pain in the ass than just getting the SEF trigger housing. Think of it this way: You know how if you have specific extra holes on your receiver, the ATF can fuck your shit because "intent" and all that bullshit? It's about the same with the SEF trigger housing. You don't actually have the fun parts but you COULD, and so it's still a legally ungood option. Clipped and pinned for a reason.
>>29854796
They are 4 position CETME irons, nothing to write home about except you get a peep for 100m instead of the guttersight.
They take the 'sligthly' better CETME bayonet (altough you can find elongated Turk/Iranian G3 bayonets and Eickhorn wire cutter G3 bayonets for the G3) and they allow for a small cleaning kit to be stored behind the bayo lug in the cocking tube
>>29853239
Until you start getting into suppressors and rifle grenades. Adjustable gas = less recoil, though you are absolutely correct that a G3 will feed frigging anything
>>29854796
The C308 doesn't look too bad for a budget blaster, keep in mind I have a ptr but take a look at the C308's features
>Cetme sights - 100m peep
>Steel charging handle
>Grenade mount on triple frame
>CETME bayo mount and cocking tube cleaning kit
The C93's weren't too too bad
>>29855044
>>29855005
My c308 has a trench sight for 100yds.
>>29854796
Well that was after 5 mags of sustained fire. After it was heated with another 4 of slower shooting and cooled for about 6-7 minutes.
The crud wiped off. It was more like bubbled out ash. Smelt like burning plastic. A little bit did melt onto the hand guard. Also the text is in the way but it didn't happen to the end of the barrel just the covered part for whatever reason.
So far I really don't like the 1 setting because it's just a big bowl not a peep. It would be good for under 50yds. I usually keep it on 200yds position and aim high or low depending on distance. And as far as accuracy goes it shoots as well as I do. Best group was 3" at 100 yards.
It's been reliable. Fired about 360 rounds today and had 2 misfeeds. Could be due to surplus magazines though. I want some new production ones to try out.
All in all pretty good gun for 650. I want to build a psg1 clone but I'll wait for a ptr or hk91 for that.
>>29855005
>>29855044
I kinda like the "guttersight" on the HK91 better, but I suppose I can see the preference for a peep.
Steel charging handle? Do you mean the arm, or the actual part you hold that looks like a polymer wad of some sort?
Also, would you show me what you mean about the CETME bayo mount and grenade mounts? I'm learning new things here. Whee.
>>29855044
>cocking tube cleaning kit
Waitwut
>>29855116
I've also shot, wolf, tulammo, aguila, winchester white, federal red, federal blue 180gr soft points, hirtenberger surplus, argentine surplus, and it cycles everything when the magazines don't fail. I've put a solid 1400 rounds through it so far.
>>29855116
>>29855140
I would acetone that shit off, and use the grill paint that the Arsenalfags use to feel better about overpaying for the world's least expensive rifle.
>>29855140
The rear sight on my C308.
>>29847146
He won't :(
>>29855044
> "cocking tube cleaning kit"
> wait what.
> inspect rifle.
> push in 2 little nubs
> Pull out pic related
Well shit you learn something new every day.
Thank you century.
Is the Garand a battle rifle?
>>29855207
>Thank you century.
Words I never expected to see on /k/ unironically.
>>29855234
Yes.
>>29854166
holy shit what stock is that?
>>29855116
>3 moa gun PSG1 clone
Sounds about right
>>29855234
If you hate magazines
Also poorfag General holy fuck century turds
>>29855506
Fuck off /ARG reject.
> literally only tripfag in thread
> only blatant shit poster
> shitty FAL that looks like shit.
Leave us to our more pleasant conversation.
>>29855536
Just filter him. He only comes into these threads to try to feel better about himself by calling "poorfag" on everyone else, which is kinda sad if you think about it. The cost differences between a FAL build and an HK clone aren't particularly steep, and realistically the real cost of owning a battle rifle is cost of ownership (.308 ain't cheap), so we're all spending more than most of /k/ anyway, whether we spent a few thousand on a SCAR or a few hundred on a C308.
At the risk of pontificating, I also wanna say "What's wrong with being a poorfag?" We've all been there before, unless we were trustfund faggots. When I first started collecting, I was certifiable poorfag. I even debated making a "Poorfags Primer" to help people who were just getting started in the hobby, or were actually poorfags who wanted to get the best bang for their buck.
You have to have respect for people getting their feet wet in this, or else they're gonna walk away from it and assume that everyone who likes firearms is a cunt. I know the immediate thought is "Who gives a fuck about some newfag/poorfag's feelings?", but the simple fact is that these people are not only voters but consumers. Every single person we assist in appreciating our hobby is another motherfucker out there not saying we don't "need" guns.
>>29855579
Ah yes I forgot that is why trips were instituted. To filter spergs, weebs, and aspies.
Nothing wrong with budgetfagging. If I spent more on a snowflake build or a SCAR I'd have less money for ammo. However if I didn't buy 4000 rds of .308 each year I could buy a nicer rifle.
>>29852757
just an afg2
>>29855391
till his rifle blows up in his face
>>29855536
i have another br on order ]]]
>>29855579
i never pretended my mosin was a precision rifle is the difference
>>29855626
same
Why does everyone hate on the PTR rail? I have one with the welded rail and dont get why some people hate it so much
Looking to buy FAL, this guy in my area is selling a Rhodesian clone one for $900. Is this a good deal?
>It has a cuban lower, fcg, bolt and carrier, Rhodesian handguards, grenade sights, top cover, and butt stock, dsa 16" barrel, century l1a1 receiver, south african sling and a 30 round dsa magazine.
>>29855676
They like the poorly fitted claw mount look. I for one like the rail.
Cuck state battle rifle fag reporting in
Have a Hakim and 7.62x54r VEPR
The VEPR is bad ass. I have a POSP scope from kalinka optics and I love it, although past 300 meters it's not effective due to near 2 MOA accuracy.
Hakim sucks, wish I had not bought it. 8mm Mauser is hard to find and the gun is unreliable. Originally bought it because it looked cool and was magazine fed, am now stuck paying 75 cents per round for privi partizan. Once I get through my current ammo I'll probably sell it for something else.
>>29855676
>>29855687
Call it what you will, but the claw always returns to zero. It's also classic as fuck. If you make the right choices, it works out better than picatinny and QD mounts.
>>29855701
Do you not like surplus 8mm?
>>29855705
Can you not put a claw mount on if you have a rail??
>>29855724
Nope. It's on there snug as hell, and the picatinny would get in the way.
>>29855724
no you cant
>>29855683
>century inch with metric parts
yeah no
>>29855701
but the hakim is your only battle rifle
ive shot 2 before and one was a pos and the other was functional but not worth buying to actually shoot collecting yes but thats it
>>29855715
Have you ever tried to scrub corrosive salts out of a gas system, especially a tiny DI tube? Not going to happen. The main spring is already weak and if the gun rusts too then I'm totally fucked for resale.
>>29855670
>i have another br on order ]]]
You bought the South Carolina Commemorative edition, right?
>>29855751
Well when you put it that way.
Do you reload?
>buy surplus
> remove bullets powder and primer
> put in new primer with old powder and bullets.
>>29855747
Mine is functional but I'm terrified of snapping the extractor. It's a tiny stamped leaf spring made of stainless holding onto the claw. I'd never put cheaper steel case through it because parts are difficult to find.
Garands in my area are climbing past $1100, seen some for $1400. My eyesight is poor so I can't invest that kind of money into anything that doesn't accept an optic.AR 10's run for $1500 to $2000 so the VEPR with posp scope for $1200 was pretty damn good.
>>29855770
When I move out of my parents house I would like to begin reloading but my mom is a hoarder and we have shit everywhere. Our basement has boxes stacked floor to ceiling. Barely made room for my safe, much less a reloading bench. I'd also like to reload x54r for my VEPR, m44, and m39
>>29855798
some guns arent meant to shoot unless you like spending a lot of money on parts
you know you can easily build MOA capable AR10s for 1000$ right? but you do have to build it yourself (not including optic).
ive shot a handful of posps and im not a fan but depending on how shitty your ffls are locally you can still snatch up veprs for 900-850 shipped online so if you really wanted the psop it was good
>>29855814
ugh my buddies mother was a hoarder and it was terrible i was one of the few friends he could actually invite over due to how embarrassing it is to live with. thankfully he and his dad bitched her out when a pile of shit fell on her and almost killed her so it stopped
>>29855891
I don't mind buying parts for the gun but I am relying on eBay and numrich for that so it's kind of sketchy. I'm going to sell it before it breaks and I have a 650 dollar pile of shit.
And yes my mother's hoarding is awful. She collects plastic takeout containers and glass objects, including salad dressing bottles. She probably has a few hundred salad dressing bottles in rows in our basement. I haven't had any friends over in years and dating is near impossible. I have to climb over boxes and clothes to reach my safe.
>>29855971
i know that feel i have an old sears pump shotgun that only functions upside down because a spring broke twice after i bought the last one i could find off numrich
it looks neat though
>>29855971
Set a small fire and pretend that as result of your mother's hoarding you could have died, worked fine for me when my mom started doing the same thing after my dad died. Make sure to appeal to emotion on top of everything.
So I want a FAL but I'm not sure where to start, what's the word on the best FAL kit or full gun to buy?
>>29856039
I have a few antique shotguns as well. They look cool and I appreciate the craftsmanship that went into building them but I wouldn't put them through regular use. I had the slide unlock on my Stevens 520 break so now the gun can't be unloaded.
>>29856077
Eh I am not going that far. The easiest thing would be to move out. I will be 23 soon and have never lived on my own so I would also like to have that experience.
>>29856122
It's probably going to get worse after you move out so you might want to spur some kind of change before then.
>tfw fixed a broken mainspring on my hammer double with some piano wire and epoxy
The god of bubbas smiles upon me.
>>29856110
Is this a troll image? She is holding 30-06
>>29856110
I hear PTRs are pretty nice.
Yet another "BRG" dead before 100 posts.
No one enjoys the classics anymore
I am dissapoint /k
>>29861748
i should have some more content to add hopefully before nuggetfest
>>29842410
Get one op. Been more than happy with mine. The new paddle release is nice. The triggers arent the best but you learn it quick. Mags are still dirt cheap too.
>>29861748
That's because there gun industry moves too slow and there's not a whole lot of new development going on for BRs either. Most posts are "What do guys think of the PTR/FAL?" or "Hey, guys, I just bought a PTR/FAL."
>>29847387
Where did you get your qwik point
Been looking at a barebonez GI model PTR91 from Bud's. After I put some rounds through the bad boy I'm thinking about a claw mount (ARMS mount, the one with the peep ring for the sights, and a picatinny rail on top). It may seem moot for a gat that's already about 10 pounds but how much weight does a claw mount add?
Pic related.
>>29862448
> mfw they just made it a team buds exclusive
This deal is getting worse all the time.
(Still a buck fifty less than I've seen elsewhere but dayum buds.)
>>29861748
OC for you.
>>29861951
Is that the 5x PA prismatic?
>>29862291
For $1 at a garage sale in Pittsville, Wisconsin.
>>29862560
>>29861951
Any tips on trackign down fat handguard for not 75 dollars?
OP here still looking for more history on the firearm. (PTR91/HK91/G3)
Why does FAL have cool stories/nicknames but g3 doesn't?
>>29861951
What kind of optic my friend?
>>29863224
>for not 75 dollars?
Wish I could help. This is where I got mine, but they're all gone now it seems.
http://militarygunsupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=535
I suggest you check eBay regularly, or try the trader boards of HKPRO and FALFiles. Numrich/Gun Parts Corp also, just in case.
>>29863224
FAL was the right arm of the free world
The G3 was a second choice.
>>29862560
>>29863232
Yup, Primary arms 5x with ACSS. I really like it.
>>29863224
Mine came on the rifle so no advice there to you. I cant find any in stock for cheaper.
>>29862448
Truthfully get one of the the PTR's with the rail welded on top. Itll be better in the longer run. Unless you have a hard on for keeping it as close to the standard G3 design as possible I wouldn't deal with it.
>>29855432
ACR stock.
>>29863224
here's your history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEPwmYcCPFs
experimental stg. 44 alternative
post-war, designers sold the spaniards on it as the cetme
returned to germany as the g3 in the trials against the g2 (ar-10) and g1 (fal)
krauts liked the g1 but the belgians were still butthurt and didn't want to let them manufacture it so they decided on the g3 in that case
Good night, /brg/.
>>29864099
Goodnight Archaic Red Dot Guy.
>install new rollers
>check gauge
>0.018"
>tfw
Range day soon.
>>29863224
Atlantic sells some with fat handguards preinstalled.
Daily reminder if you don't go prone you should just go home.
>>29855506
Are you bad at reading? I said I was waiting for a ptr of hk91 to make a psg1 clone. Going to put decent money into making it percise.
Obviously not building it out of a C308.
Also 3" group was with Argentinian surplus. And I'm not the best precision shooter. I'm sure it could be tightened up a good degree with good ammo and skill.
>>29863224
because the g3 was the 3rd choice
>>29866154
prone is best done with a bipod friendo
>>29866169
chandelier in a haunted house
This is kind of a stupid question but why does the G3 have a better reputation for eating all ammo compared to the FAL? I would think that the roller system would be less reliable than the short stroke tilting block of the FAL.
>>29866154
>prone
I dont live in a flat wasteland.
>>29855044
Other than breaking charging handles, firing pins, slam fires, and the myriad of other problems ONE guy had?
>>29868597
>>29855579
>using the term HK clone
Its a G3, PTR, or C308
Stop denoting that its a clone you fucking autist
>>29868633
Easier to sum them all up by using blanket terms like HK clone.
>>29868633
Eat a bag of dicks, you assworshipping rimjobber. I am not listing every faggot fucking model number of every fucking HK clone. How the dicking shit am I the autist here when you're the one sperging out about "muh PTR", "Muh C308" etc? Btw, you autistic shitlord, you forgot the CETME, and the only time you're getting a G3 is in your fucking Call of Duty.
Fuck out of here, cocksucker.
>>29868905
Careful he might call you autistic.
>>29868992
He's welcome to. Not even people who own legit HKs call them "G3"s unless they're tryhard faggots.
>>29868516
Part is due to it's fluted chamber. Gas helps "float" it out of the chamber.
Coupled with a beefy extractor and no finicky gas system.
>>29868633
Actually the term HK91 clone would be more accurate. Nice try though kid.
>>29868633
>>29868905
Using 'HK clone" is stupid because HK built more guns than the G3/HK91 that have been "cloned" by another manufacturer.
>>29869256
By your own retarded fucking logic:
http://www.ptr91.com/products/
"PTR" shouldn't be allowed as a term either.
Do yourself and everyone else a favor. Shut up and lurk more.
>>29868905
Nice butthurt, bud
>>29869055
If you just say HK clone, what gun are you referring to?
Mp5?
416?
G3?
Call it what it is
Don't you have an AK thread to correct by using AKM?
>>29868516
If you set the gas setting low, a low charge load will short stroke it
That's why you get it to work, then turn it up 2 notches
>>29869083
There is nothing finnicky with the gas system
It has everything to do with people not setting it right
Since I don't want to piss off the autists. Should we refer to the C308 as a hk91 clone or cetme?
>>29869412
Why not just call it the C308?
>>29869412
call it an hk clone or third rate choice for military use
>>29869307
>post PTR
>nice HK clone
>HK apparently made 1 gun
Its a G3 or HK91 clone at best, but calling it a clone is gay and pointless
Just say what the gun is or use the blanket term g3
Do you say RPK clone, AK clone, FAL clone, M14 clone, M1 carbine clone?
Or even more like your post, Kalashnikov clone, FN clone, Springfield clone
>Let me take my Colt/armalite clone (AR-15) to the range and shoot a few rounds out of my Browning clone (FEG hi power).
>might even bring the Mauser clone (Yugo Mauser)
See why you sound retarded?
>>29869412
Its a C308
I call my L1A1 an FAL instead of an L1A1 or FAL clone or FN clone, because FAL is a blanket tern
>>29869307
>"PTR" shouldn't be allowed as a term either.
Check your sociopathic tendencies because that's not the point I'm arguing.
>>29869513
Forgot to add
Its a C308 or a Century
>>29869559
Except I want to sound cool on the Internet and make people think I didn't buy a budge gun. Also most of my friends would "wut" if i said C308
>>29869256
>See 'POF'
>Immediately assume "Patriot Ordnance Factory"
>Pakistani Ordnance Factory"
lolwut
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Phspaaa.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
Ian did a great comparison
FAL appears more controllable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtx9g7BmOE
>>29868610
This is easy to prevent right? All this nigga had to do was check the bolt and firing pin.
>>29869751
Or not get a shit rifle.
>>29869751
It's a feature of the platform
>>29869715
POF(murrica) started out as an importer of POF(western india) products who went another way, iirc.
>>29869751
Or take his finger off the trigger.
>>29842410
cetmeme is spooky to me because it's not as gucci as the ptr-91. heard secondhand stories of slamfire when chambering a round. ptr-91 is like hk-91 but better, more refined, uses original hk-machines
ptr is based if you get it for a good price
>>29869925
>ptr
>gucci
topkek
>>29869908
What optic is that on the ptr?
>>29869703
Then say it's a G3
If you have normie friends who don't know the difference, what's it to them?
>>29869731
>fahl
>fahl
>fahl
Be still my beating autism
>>29869751
>check the bolt and firing pin after every magazine
right
>>29869908
watch the video
his finger isn't on the trigger and he clearly states it slam fired because the firing pin broke after 100 rounds
>>29869925
>uses original hk-machines
I'd rather a company use machines that aren't outdated and worn out
Guys help, I can't find the two-stage heavy buffer for the PTR anywhere.
I'm also looking at the MSG-90 buffer and the enhanced buffer on HKparts.net, but what about Bill Springfields?
Does anyone have any experience with one or all of these? I only want to buy the best. The one people are saying the best is the two-stage heavy, but they're sold out. Give me some advice bros
>>29870045
>Then say it's a G3
Every time some douchebag calls their 91 clone a G3, Feinstein lives another year.
>>29870100
Sorry you're right
My FAL is an Enfield clone, not an FAL
>>29870024
It's a German army surplus Hensold-Zeiss Z-24 Fero 4x scope, same as the Bundeswehr used in the 80's before adopting the G36.
http://mg-42.net/G3_hensoldt.htm
>>29870080
I saw after I watched it again with the video fullscreened, his gloves make it hard to tell.
>>29870125
Finger is on the mag release
>>29870123
Correct, Pleb.
>>29870090
it's okay that you don't know what you are talking about.
Do you know anything about machining?
Lathes and mills don't "wear out". we are talking heavy fucking metal. parts can be replaced. The cutting tools will be replaced multiple times a day. My hackerspace has a a WW2 era lathe that is still worth over $10,000. The point is that they are virtually identical to the hk-91 except they have better furniture.
old equipment is expensive and nice if it's maintained. I guarantee you those machines are high quality.
i could cheeki breeki your shit right now.
>>29870137
I just said I saw his finger wasn't on the trigger after I fullscreened the video.
>>29870179
>A machine shop with a brand new $500k Haas will turn out the same as a shop using worn out as fuck Pratts
yeah, okay champ
>Do you know anything about machining?
Being as I'm a machinist, yeah
>Lathes and mills don't "wear out
Uhhhhh yeah they do
Especially CNCs
>My hackerspace has a a WW2 era lathe that is still worth over $10,000
Bullshit
You can buy lathes from the 80s for $1000
>>29870095
bumping for opinions
>>29870182
>his gloves make it hard to tell.
I thought you were debating the point when you posted this because you only wrote "I saw" as opposed to "I saw that"
>>29855109
Some do some don't apparently. I've seen CETME rears with larger 100m aperatures
>>29868516
The FAL can't shoot steel cased ammo. You risk a case head seperation and assploding the gun. So you're normally stuck with either reloading brass or paying a few extra bucks for the premium brass stuff.
>>29870045
Yeah that'll do. To be fair G3 probably wouldn't ring a bell either.
Took one guy shooting and he said "yeah! Looks like a FAL."
Mfw
>>29870125
>Mfw I need this now.
>Mfw I bought the welded rail model.
>>29870596
Just cut off the rail veeeeeery carefully
>>29855207
The endcap on that cleaning kit tube that sticks out of the rifle is the bayonet mount for those of you who dont know
>>29870596
Most of the ones in good condition are on ebay for around $1000 apiece. I got lucky and found mine in like-new condition for $715 including the illuminator module for the reticle, although it's missing all the other accouterments (sun filters, screwdriver, etc).
>>29870481
>The FAL can't shoot steel cased ammo
Quite a few people here shoot steel case
>So you're normally stuck with either reloading brass or paying a few extra bucks for the premium brass stuff.
>ZQI
>expensive
>>29870636
The German bayonet mount is better imho.
>>29870888
>>29870888
>>29870904
meanwhile
>>29863224
Buy the PTR A3R/S with the black one preinstalled. 75 bucks is as low as it gets for the greens and they are recent manufacture POF
>>29870888
I agree the german mount has very positive lockup, CETME bayonets mounted have some slop
>>29870211
Bump.
No one have any experience with different buffers?
>>29871337
The better the buffer the softer the recoil
>>29871552
Well naturally, but did you follow the reply trail to read my original post?
I need to know which buffer available is superior to the others.
>>29871337
I've used both Bill Springfield's buffer (on an HK91 that I use to own), and the enhanced buffer from Parabellum Combat Systems. The PCS buffer offers the best bang for the buck, and will fit in your rifle without modifying it. The German PSG1-style buffers require using a dremel to make it fit. Most of guys who've used that buffer over at HK Pro said it didn't offer any improvement over the enhanced buffer.
>>29871627
Thanks for the reply, alright ill give the PCS buffer a shot.
robertrtg and Hkparts are both out though. Any other spots I might look?
>>29871758
The owner's name is Jeff Walters, he posts under the name ghilliebear2000 over at HK Pro. He has his own subforum there, his contact info is in his sig. He also has a facebook page.
>>29869731
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtx9g7BmOE [Embed]
The "G3" was a 16" PTR-91K with a muzzle brake on it. IMO not a fair comparison.
>>29870310
There are also G3 rear sights with a 100m aperture, rather than the notch.
>>29870481
What kind of peasant voodoo is this?
It would never even enter my mind to give over hard earned shekels for steel cased ammo much less allow any of it to touch my rifle.
For the people who have done this to their gun, any tips on putting Rhodesian paint on an FAL? I'm looking for a more worn look like pic related.
>>29872271
>any tips on putting Rhodesian paint on an FAL?
Use a sock; no fucking gloss.
>I'm looking for a more worn look like pic related.
When it dries, go innawoods and let it rub on shit.
>>29872271
Practice on cardboard first.
Rhodies used their fingers in a sock or other improvised brushes to put it on.
>>29872298
>>29872308
Okay cool thanks. I also found the source of my pic on the FAL files which also had some useful info.
for anyone else who is curious: http://fnfal.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3322918
>>29872271
i hate fake wear at least mine is slowly getting wear on it
>>29872308
they literally used anything from brushes to socks fampai
>>29872550
What's the short shorts appeal?
>>29872872
i wear them all summer at work so i understand the appeal of short shorts when operating
>>29872987
The idea of mucking about in the woods with shorts seems painful as fuck.
>>29873064
you get used to it
>>29873280
Just to keep tics and shit off if not for briars
>>29873334
i had my short shorts from work on riding my motorcycle through a field and went through a patch of jaggers (thornbushes) i regretted it instantly
>>29873373
I never ride with shorts for exactly that reason
Torn my legs up one to many times
>>29873373
I wish I was there. I would have rubbed ointment all over your pretty legs and gave them a kiss.
Why are PTR mags so cheap?
>>29875081
Because everyone who used the G3 cranked out a billion magazines for each rifle issued.
>>29875134
this
FAL mags are only expensive because they aren't importing many and everyone is sitting on their surplus
Centerfire got a huge import and sold them for $7 a mag for the Rhodie painted ones and $8 for the near mint condition ones
It's funny because the Rhodie painted ones were worth near double that
I bought 20 and sold off 10 of them for nearly double
how can I get a poor man's SCAR H?
aka shorty barrel FAL with custom stock, pistol grip
>>29875134
Because from 1960 something all the way to the late 90's, Germany had a special team of Gnomes assigned to producing G3 magazines. Twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, and stockpiled in vast Gnome warehouses for the upcoming nuclear apocalypse. The result is a stockpile buildup large enough to construct cities from.
>>29875982
You could get an FAL OSW, but they're more expensive than SCARs
>>29875982
Kit build
Get a short barrel/short gas and pin a longer brake on it
ACR stock
>>29876049
At the prices all that costs, you're nearly at the point of just paying for an OSW
Also
>Sightmark
>>29876072
Not my rifle
Yeah, you'll get close
But ACR stock has more of a SCAR look
>>29876127
what'd you pay for yours?
>>29876314
$1200 for rifle
$125? For stock adapter
$250? For ACR stock
$300 for vltor casv
remember /brg/ its mothers day
>>29878978
That's not an AR18, though.
Where can I buy a PTR-91 without the welded rail? What is a reasonable price to pay?
>>29879366
I think your best bet is going to be calling around your LGS's for a used, older PTR. Barring that, stalking gunbroker.
>>29879366
CDNN has the older models without rails or the paddle release for $850-$900
https://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms.html#manufacturer=PTR
>>29879366
>Where can I buy a PTR-91 without the welded rail?
Direct from PTR.
>>29879727
Are you being facetious or genuinely saying that PTR will work with you regarding a one off non railed rifle?
Ill prolly just get told to move by some smarmy faggot but...
Where can I find a PTR 91 GI #300 config online.
(NJ Compliant with 10rnd mag and compensator welded.
>>29877559
is it just a basic 18 inch DSA?
>>29880192
they make non railed
few people stock them is all
>>29881268
>spending $1000 on a gun that shoots $.50+ a round ammo
>ERMAGERD I CANT JUST MOVE
>>29881384
Like clockwork. Faggots with no friends, family or obligation that can move for their hobby.
I envy you.
>>29881501
I have friends, an incredible family that I love to death, and plenty of obligations
But if my local laws went to shit, I'd be moving the fuck out
It's not like New Jersey is that fucking big anyway
Hop across the border and drive back when you want to see them you fucking cuckold
>>29881501
>mfw sustaining myself off of NEETbux and can fit everything I own in a backpack
I can be anywhere, anytime and I can kill you in over 700 ways, and thats just with my dakimakura
>>29881554
>I can kill you in over 700 ways, and thats just with my dakimakura
kekd
>>29880192
It's not a one-off; they make them but no retailer has yet purchased any. Just find an FFL near you who's willing to order a rifle from them and get the one without the rail.
http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%20G.I.?id=23
Typical C308 owner
http://www.armslist.com/posts/5397811/minneapolis-minnesota-rifles-for-sale--big-308-battle-rifle-package-
![Hotdopm1a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/r4prdyt.jpg "Hotdopm1a[1].jpg")
So I'm a huge weeaboo faggot and have always wanted to make the M1A Super Match in pic related
Now, it would be a Super Match in a JAE stock, but from what I'm reading, the Super Matches claim to fame is their barrel and stock bedding
Is it even worth it to do the Super Match or are the steps down like National match just as good minus the stock?
Do any other M1As have the Krieger barrels?
>Pls halp
>>29882072
minus the century thing, that isn't too bad
>>29842410
PTR Looks fucking gorgeous with wood furniture. Like, cum-spewing good. mmmm
>>29882287
Other than the cringey paint job and it being way too much to pay for a god damn C308
He's got a fuck ton of replacement parts because you'll need them when the thing breaks 6 times in 200 rounds
>>29882208
Try getting something other than a springfield.
You wont regret it.
And the rifle in your pic isnt really a "supermatch".
Its an M1A with an old ass aimpoint, a really dildos surefire m900, a bayonet, and a kydex cheek riser. I dont think springfield M1As even come with bayonet lugs on them anymore.
>>29882332
>Spending actual money on anything CAI makes is too much money
>Especially a G3 clone.
>>29883311
They specifically say Super Match in the show
>>29883338
the problem is it's a Cetme
>>29883362
Oh...
okay
Youd need to replace the flash hider. with one that has a bayonet lug on it. Your also going to need to drill and install a 1913 rail on the bottom of the stock. The kydex cheek riser is also going to need to some holes drilled into the stock.
The stock pictured is not a JAE stock. You said you want a krieger barrel, but supermatches use douglas barrels now.
>>29880192
you have to order it directly from them to an ffl unless they have an account with ptr directly because no distributor has them
>At the moment, just about all orders coming in for G.I.'s are for G.I. R models (PTR 101). Due to that, I unfortunately don't know of anyone that has a standard G.I. (PTR 100) in stock at this time.
>If you'd like to get your hands on one, you can certainly order one direct from us. If you'd be interested in ordering direct, the cost would be $955.00 (including shipping to the continental US), and the lead time for delivery would be 8 or so weeks from date of order.
>>29883529
>with one that has a bayonet lug on it.
not too long ago I saw them for sale, so not a problem
>Your also going to need to drill and install a 1913 rail on the bottom of the stock
JAEs come with that
>The kydex cheek riser is also going to need to some holes drilled into the stock
Also on JAEs
>You said you want a krieger barrel, but supermatches use douglas barrels now.
Well then I'll get an old one
I just saw one for sale while I was looking 20 minutes ago
The pictured is not an exact JAE but its certainly close enough for me
The one in the show is a mix between the JAE and a McMillan Remington 700 stock
>>29883723
The pictured one is a OD green plastic M14 stock. It looks nothing at all like a JAE stock.
If your going to quibble on that but your going to be a stickler for the barrel mfg? Douglas makes a fine barrel.
>>29883783
Then who makes the stock, fucknuts
And no, Krieger is much better
>source
>have barreled Dumoulin Mausers with Kriegers and shoot 1 hole at 100 yards
![High_School_of_the_Dead_rifle[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P8FoN1Z.jpg "High_School_of_the_Dead_rifle[1].jpg")
>>29883783
did you miss the part where he said it was close enough for him?
And the front end of the stock in certain frames from the show looks like a JAE, namely pic related
The front end and rails scream JAE, while the rear end looks like a McMillan 700 like he pointed out
![JAE-100CoyoteBrown-WithBlackMedium[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/363ZbbB.jpg "JAE-100CoyoteBrown-WithBlackMedium[1].jpg")
>>29883803
this guy here
This is without the side rails in the cutouts that look like this guys pic>>29883829
>>29883803
>much better
lol. Im not saying krieger is bad. Just that krieger, douglas, brux, boots, etc. who cares. If your getting a premium made barrel its going to A. shoot about the same as any other premium made barrel
B. probably be made in Wisconsin. Seriously, most of the best barrels are made there. Who knows.
>who makes the stock
Its not based on a real stock, so who cares. The closest thing to it is an amalgam of parts of different stocks.
>>29883829
Didnt. And the rear appears to more like a GI stock with a kydex adjustable riser. They were pretty common back in the day.
![11764jc[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T9WNCIo.jpg "11764jc[1].jpg")
>>29884083
Satern tho
And I heard the Kriegers were better from my gunsmithing buddies, so that's why I want to go with them
See pic related for the stock
>>29884189
Krieger makes a mighty fine barrel.
For a gunsmith its easy peasy. Springfield Armory has different needs. Maybe bulk ordering isnt as easy anymore. Maybe SA production runs dont match up well with with Krieger can provide.
Personally, if I was going for a ultra high end barrel, I would probably go with Boots Obermeyer. He is kind of an asshole, but its the customers who have driven him to be that way. Tell him what you want to shoot, how far, and and he will make you what he thinks is best. And he will be right.
![wQ7uOwt[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/naEZFqT.jpg "wQ7uOwt[1].jpg")
new dsa acquisition alongside my poodle shooter
>>29885272
>quad rail covered in rail covers
>fixed front sight
>detachable carry handle
>with an optic on top
>mismatched grip
>BCM upper of all things
Dude what in the fuck were you thinking
>>29885354
Looks odd
But I'd want to fingerbang it
>>29885272
>has front sling mount
>puts a sling swivel on the rail
dude were you fucking high when you built this?
>>29885429
you're post style makes me think you were in the same thought process as I was here>>29885354
That guys gun is "fucking what" tier
![pBSQ8b9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BrEPGsh.jpg "pBSQ8b9[1].jpg")
>>29885354
>quad rail covered in rail covers
quad rail was regret
>fixed front sight
>detachable carry handle
no apologies for this
>mismatched grip
idgaf I bought the lower used and I like the grip, ain't broke don't fix
>BCM upper of all things
nop
>has front sling mount
>puts a sling swivel on the rail
and if I put it on the barrel mount, you'd grentext freefloating the barrel then throwing a sling on it
tl;dr fuck haterz
>>29885524
>quad rail was regret
I'm glad you realize this
You are forgiven
>no apologies for this
Faggot
Why put a carry handle then an optic on that?
Do you like goose necking?
>idgaf I bought the lower used and I like the grip, ain't broke don't fix
Or spend $20 and not look gay
>nop
You spent a ton on an upper that does the same as a $40 anderson
In fact, the upper was most likely made by the same forge, so the only difference is finishing machining which Anderson is known to be good at
>you'd grentext freefloating the barrel then throwing a sling on it
I didn't think the quad rail was free floated
The fact that I didn't shit on you for it was an oversight in my original post
>>29885565
>Faggot
>Why put a carry handle then an optic on that?
because the optic was bought later 60% off on black friday deal
>Or spend $20 and not look gay
why bother, I dont need to be in the closet like you
>You spent a ton on an upper that does the same as a $40 anderson
the deal I got on the complete upper was a good one with free bcg and handle, which puts the equivalent price barely more than a complete anderson upper
meanwhile you are tilting at windmills over a perfectly fine rifle for shooting coyotes and your dog
>>29885732
It's not that there is anything wrong with the rifle, it just looks thrown together, and from what you are saying it seems that was the case.
different anon btw
>>29885764
indeed it was, and it prints groups just fine and has no malfunctions
>>29885732
>because the optic was bought later 60% off on black friday deal
Why not just take the carry handle off and mount directly with a QD?
>why bother, I dont need to be in the closet like you
I get it
I ain't laughing, but I get it
>the deal I got on the complete upper was a good one with free bcg and handle, which puts the equivalent price barely more than a complete anderson upper
>complete
I'm laughing at you
![Q0fqeTQ[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ghtssuw.jpg "Q0fqeTQ[1].jpg")
>>29885830
>Why not just take the carry handle off and mount directly with a QD?
I could just as easily remove it from the carry handle if I didn't want it
>I'm laughing at you
go for it, I might have been able to save maybe 100 bux buying parts separate from anderson and then labor hours into assembly and then its a moot gain economically
however I'm glad that pittance extra I paid entertained you
>>29885933
>I could just as easily remove it from the carry handle if I didn't want it
I was saying if you want the optic, just mount the optic instead of goosenecking
Also
>Noveske
Literal memes
>I might have been able to save maybe 100 bux buying parts separate from anderson and then labor hours into assembly and then its a moot gain economically
My upper costed me $800 because I have a $200 handguard, $300 side charge upper, and $300 barrel
Had I gotten a regular upper and a cheaper barrel, it would have been even lower
What'd you spend on that upper?
>>29886086
$698.94
508.99 for barrel, complete upper, gunfighter charging handle, and BCG
189.95 for handguard
>>29886170
$40 upper, $30 UPK, $190 barrel, $50 handle, $90 BCG, $180 handguard
It takes all of 30 minutes, MAYBE an hour if you really have no idea what you're doing
Your only excuse is that you're lazy
