I'm debating an HK USP versus a Sig p227.
Help me decide which one I should get.
>>29830877
USP all day everyday.
Alloy frames are dick.
USP has 2 extra rounds per magazine and is better built imho. The 227 has a pic rail but adapters for the USP arent that bad. 227 mags will likely be cheaper, but i feel like USP accessories will be more avalible because the 227 is newer and a bit more of an oddball gun. The USP Tactical is also way sexier imo.
>>29830877
USP all fucking day. P227 sucks dick, P220 is better
>>29830877
USP. The 227 is nice by virtue of being a sig but the USP is better.
Since when the fuck could you find hk magazines for less than $60? Is this oem?
https://shop.katactical.com/hk-magazine-usp45-45acp/?aid=3220&site=www.slickguns.com
>>29830877
My edc. Get the USP and move along m8
>>29830877
the USP is a step above the 227, but the 227 is still a nice gun. The USP just is a little better, get the USP and then get a sig sauer p226
Any opinions on the P2000 for CC?
USP is better in every way except for the factory trigger.
The P227 is a fucking retarded design and SIG would be ashamed if they were capable of feeling shame.
USP
objectively the best DA/SA gun
>>29831086
I don't own any HK's but I was looking hard at the P2000SK a couple of weeks.
>>29831086
depends, i would suggest the v3 for carry but that's my personal preference. LEM is god tier though
If only Sig had brought back the P221 :(
14 rd's of 45, in a gun pretty much the same size as the P220
>>29831094
i loled.
>>29831118
>>29831124
I was comparing the P30sk to a standard P2000 and I think they would be equal to CC. The P30 just seems a touch to big, but I've never shot a P2000 before so I don't know about trigger pull etc.
>>29831086
Pretty good. Just an ergonomically improved USPC, which nobody is going to talk shit about. They're just a little big for a "compact", IMO.
HK recently lowered the price so now's the time to get one if you want it.
>>29831128
>P221
As a sigfag, I never knew this existed.
>double stack P239 when
>>29830877
i hate to say it but the 227 i have is hitting high my a mile. my 220 and my buddies 226 are on point tho. i hope this is just some weird manufacturing thing that can get resolved cause it really does feel nice in the hands.
>>29831041
>safety is on
Copfag here, the USP's safety is shit. Multiple times at the range i've accidentally hit it while getting out of my holster and suddenly "oh shit my gun doesn't work"
We had a police involved shooting happen recently where one of our guys did th exact same thing on the street, drew his weapon and accidentally hit the safety. Suddenly cant shoot the badguy.
OP, the USP is alright, i've had multiple double feeds in mine and there's the issue of the safety lever which i just talked about.
I'd pick the p227 for the simple fact that i wont have to worry about the gun not going bang because there are no external safeties.
>>29831152
This.
SIG gives us the abortions that are the P224. P227, and P225A1, but no double-stack P239? Get the fuck out of here.
>>29831143
i own two p2000's, a LEM and v3. They both shoot great. It's sorta like a USP trigger pull but just a tad bit different, hard to describe really.
>>29831152
This is literally the exact gun I want Sig to make. Well that and the P221.
Also bring back the real P225 you faggots.
>>29831167
>SIG gives us the abortions that are the P224. P227, and P225A1, but no double-stack P239? Get the fuck out of here.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I want something in between a P239 and P224. If Sig ever gets off their asses and makes something like that, I will pay full MSRP for once.
There's no question that they can redesign the P239 to be at least smaller right? That gun was made ~20 years ago.
>>29830877
USP 45 all of the way, you wont regret it.
>>29831038
The 9/40 fullsize mags are cheap, and the P30 mags are 55 now that the VP9 exists.
>>29831183
Better or worse than the USP?
I found a V3 with 4 mags and Night Sights for $450 used locally. Seems to be in good shape. I have a USP with the standard trigger and really like it.
>>29831213
>I found a V3 with 4 mags and Night Sights for $450 used locally.
>V3
>4 mags
>$450
I would hop on this shit if I were you.
>>29831162
Learn how to grip the gun with your thumb over the safety.
>>29831224
Ok, i'll pick it up tomorrow morning. That's all I needed to here.
>>29831193
>There's no question that they can redesign the P239 to be at least smaller right? That gun was made ~20 years ago.
They can, but they won't.
Fuck look at the P320. It's their breakthrough into the striker-fired market, and they elect to literally just nigger-rig a striker into their oversized and chunky budget-minded P250 to save R&D costs. This is like if HK decided to re-enter the market with a modernized VP70 instead of making the VP9.
SIG DGAF about streamlining their products or making lean designs. They will always be huge, overweight blocks.
>>29831183
Pull is a tiny bit longer in p2k, reset is a tiny bit longer. Difference is obvious on da/sa. Not so really with LEM.
>>29831249
*hear.
Goddamn autocorrect.
>>29831152
>double stack P239 when
they call it the p228 or m11a1
>>29831213
I personally prefer my v2 LEM
>>29831213
usp has a better trigger, but for that deal i'd say fuck the trigger, pick that up
>>29831265
Not even the same size. Good try.
>>29831266
Are they difficult to convert?
I can detail strip a Sig with no problem, so if it's anything like that I imagine I could install a LEM kit myself.
>>29831266
V2 is horseshit when you can go v4 tgs. Trigger return spring is the only thing that has to be heavy for a top tier LEM
>>29831162
You can worry about your sig not going off because of their dead trigger issues, at least you can flip a safety off
>>29831228
That shit looks dangerous. >>29831228
>>29831228
>>29831294
dunno, haven't personally converted any of mine. from what i have read you can get by with common tools but the return spring tool is something that would make things easier
>>29831312
Its not, trust me I have shot one of these.
>>29831294
LEM is much harder to install than say a sig dak. Removable grip panels make sigs super easy to work on. When you have a solid poly grip it's tough. Doable with a 3/32 punch, a rubber mallet, and superfine needle nose
>>29831252
>They can, but they won't.
This is the worst. They have an opportunity to actually make something innovative for once and something fresh for the DA/SA carry market.
>dude strikers lmao
>>29831307
What the hell is this?
>>29831265
The P239 is shorter in both height and length compared to the P228 / P229
>>29831350
Looks to me like 1oz of weed
>>29831335
Sig is a marketing firm that sells guns. Hk and Glock are gun companies that market. Such is life. I love my p239 and p220 but god damn it's been 20 yrs. hopefully they will get some big contracts with the p320 and work on optimizing size and weight.
>>29831162
>be a cop
>be dumb
No surprises here, you can switch the safety to a decocker only and suddenly you no longer have that "problem"
>>29831398
or just remove it completely, not sure why people spout this shit about their USPs having failures, mine has been 100% so far
>>29831350
Gotta run wet. It's lithium grease. Got hot shooting and spunked down the trigger abit
>>29831426
There is no reason to lube that part of the trigger, though. That amount of grease in that spot is so obscene.
>>29831397
>hopefully they will get some big contracts with the p320 and work on optimizing size and weight.
If they got big contracts with the P320 why would they change it?
The only chance we have at getting a non-gargantuan striker-fired pistol from SIG is to disown the P320 and let SIG know we don't want half assed bullshit. Maybe then they'll offer up a real option.
>>29831426
>It's lithium grease.
for some reason I was thinking it was dried sweat scraping and it was triggering me
>>29831398
>there's a solution to this problem
>doesn't post link
for fucks sake
>>29831440
It's not from that part of the trigger is what I'm saying. Though yeah it was too much
>>29831455
I'm not your google bitch, I'm not the one with the problem jackass.
>>29831162
Stupid Idiot retard Fuck face.
>>29831446
Not saying to change the 320. Saying to use that money to r&d a thinner p229 or double stack p239. Something Sphinx sdp width
>>29831426
HK's do not need to be "run wet," though
>>29831455
USP triggers are VERY versatile in function
u can get around 9 (?) variations of triggers
>>29831162
So you're carrying a gun with a manual safety with the safety in the off position? That's just retarded.
>>29831490
I busted 2 o-rings in less than 6000rds so I had this theory that the slide was reciprocating to rough and dry. Maybe it doesn't need to be but I'm still on o-ring 3.
>>29831521
damn d00d, the mk23 in testing went 20k i think
>>29831331
I have installed pretty much every variation of trigger on USP compact .40's and USP full-size 9mms and have never needed a mallet for anything on the frame. You are doing something wrong, USP's are really easy to put together, except the fucking trigger return spring is really fucking annoying. I'd say they are about the same to as Sig's, maybe a bit easier because you don't need a screw driver.
>>29831512
fuk off you idiot
>>29831285
>>29831354
its as close as you'll ever get, theyre not going to release something that's practically already existing
>>29831512
Under stress your fine motor skills go out the window. I'd really rather not have to worry about trying to hit the little paddle if i'm being shot at.
>>29831455
Google it, fucker. There are at least the following options for the USP's firing system:
DA/SA+decocker (left or right)
DA/SA (left or right)
Decocker only (left or right)
LEM with manual safety (left or right)
LEM no manual safety
in addition to different options achieved with various combinations of springs, like light LEM, match DA/SA, match LEM, and so forth.
>>29831559
So carry a gun that doesn't have a manual safety. As mentioned, there are several ways to configure the USP that way.
>>29831542
It's idiotic to carry a gun with a manual safety and not practice sweeping it off with every draw.
>>29831559
Then remove the paddle you dumb faggot
HK designed the gun to do that
So what makes the USP superior to the sig, other that build quality. What does the USP do better than the sig, and how?
>>29831551
No nigger.
They would be considerably different. The P228/P229 are gigantic for compacts. I want a double stack, DA/SA that is inline with a CZ 75 compact. Also, Sig has a real habbit of releasing useless shit. See P227, P225-A1. So it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that they make something that would be actually useful.
>>29831551
>its as close as you'll ever get, they're not going to release something that's practically already existing
FN turned the Forty-Nine into the FNS
S&W turned the Sigma into the M&P
If you don't buy a shitty pistol that's entered to capture a piece of a lucrative market, there's a chance the manufacturer will take a step back and redesign it into something good.
>>29831536
You need the punch and a mallet to change the firing pin block spring depending on your date of construction..but yeah that's not on the frame. I wouldn't make the argument that working from one side is easier than have open air in the frame on a sig
>>29831588
It's much better at making me feel like an international man of mystery.
>>29831588
Capacity, polygonal rifling, being a USP (one of the most tested firearms in history), and not being an alloy framed shit stain of a .45
>>29831588
More ammo, recoil buffer, polymer, and more durability.
>>29831576
My department tells me what i'm going to carry, not the other way around.
>>29831578
Literally just found out that was an option in this thread.
>>29831535
Yeah I was surprised after one and really surprised after 2. Don't know what the deal was...could've just been old stock o rings or something.
>>29831603
>>29831610
How is polygonal rifling superior to other forms of rifling?
>>29831634
More pressure behind the bullet, longer lasting.
>>29831634
Less air gap
>>29831615
How is it more durable, how do these recoil buffers work? I'm familiar with the ar buffer but I wasn't aware of pistol buffers.
>>29831617
>My department tells me what i'm going to carry, not the other way around.
Then learn to use the safety or at least to make a habit of sweeping it off.
>>29831634
This.
>>29831639
Neither of those options are the FNX .45
>>29831634
idgaf about this fps bullshit, but they are easier to clean for me and thats a plus
>>29831673
Why would you want to buy a squishy squish?
>>29831656
The 9mm shoots super flat and feels like a 32acp nailgun. The .40 recoils like a 9mm.
The .45 is one smooth son of a bitch.
>>29831656
Sigs have the problem that when you run them dry, the hardened stainless steel of the slide will literally eat away at the soft aluminum frame's anodizing, eventually eating into the frame itself, compromising frame integrity, and destroying the gun, once it starts developing cracks. This is literally a non-issue with a polymer HK, which has metal frame rail inserts of the same hardness as the slide metal.
Sigfags will say "so just run it wet," but the wear occurs even in the course of a normal shooting session, as grease flies off of the rails due to the cycling of the slide and heat.
>>29831656
Polymer yields on impact. Alloys effectively don't. If a handgun take an impact you're going to want polymer on metal and not metal on metal. Recoil buffer just dampens the final couple mils of the slide reciprocation. To me it doesn't do much to recoil but it will dramatically help service life
>>29831688
In the fullsize maybe, but comparing my G19gen4 to my USPC the glock is easier to keep on target
I highly recommend that you buy the fullsize USP if you buy one
>>29831656
Its more durable because of the type of steel used on the slide and barrel, the finish put on them, and the polymer frame.
The recoil buffer works like a normal recoil spring until its the slide is almost all the way to the rear, then a second spring comes in and dampens the slide slamming to the rear. You can feel it when you rack the slide, pull the slide back like normal till you feel it hit the end, then pull it a little more. It works really well imo, some people claim not to notice a difference.
>>29831720
Yeah I should have said full size.
>>29831683
Isn't even a real problem
>>29831707
People do make a bigger deal out of Sig frame wear than they need to. It may be a problem in some of the guns chambered in higher pressure cartridges, but I have seen P228's in military service that have 0% anodization left on the rails, that shoot just as well as they did from the factory.
>>29831713
Thats not what we are talking about. the USP has a recoil reduction system in the spring.
>>29831720
>comparing my G19gen4 to my USPC the glock is easier to keep on target
This is probably because your wrists are weak like a little girl's and you got worn out midway through your comparison. The USP-C recoils softer than a Glock of the same caliber.
>>29831673
We're talking about da/sa guns that actually have decent triggers here anon
>>29831751
>I don't own either guns, you suck and I hate you
>>29831747
I admit I'm extremely paranoid of wearing my rails. I think I put a bit too much grease on them.
Still doesn't stop me from cycling it +400 times a day.
>>29831761
One thing you hear all the time about HK is how their trigger sucks, and I just don't buy how a squishy ass glock trigger is better than the SA on any HK
>>29831774
I don't own a Glock 19 currently, but I have owned one in the past and I currently own a USPc 9mm. We've been over this in a past thread.
>>29831774
Not that poster, but I own a USPc .357 and a G32gen4 and I find that the USP recoils less, but only slightly. It is a heavier gun after all.
>>29831786
The fact of the matter is, sig only started shipping grease with the guns recently, it may have to do with the change to stainless from carbon steel, but I have a hunch its due to the higher pressure cartridges.
>>29831810
What glock did you own?
>>29831812
This may very well be the case, I don't own any 357 sig and I don't ever plan to
>>29831367
>Street value $29,875
>>29831834
>What glock did you own?
Are you blind?
>>29831810
>I don't own a Glock 19 currently, but I have owned one in the past
>>29831791
The FNX is DA/SA, and in my opinion has a better trigger than the HK45c. It's about like a USP trigger, but with arguably a better reset (less tactile, but shorter). You should check them out sometime. The one thing that gets me is the cheese grater grip texture.
>>29831834
Well you own a Glock so its obvious you're poor. It's no wonder you don't want something in .357 Sig.
>>29831851
>>29831851
It's unfortunate your opinion is wrong.
>>29831854
I own a couple .357 SIGs. Ammo's really come down. If you can afford .40 or .45, you can afford 9mm PCP.
>>29831849
there is more than 1 generation of glock
>>29831854
I own a USP also, I just don't want a 357 sig? I wasn't shit talking your decision to carry it lol
>>29831851
I want an FNX but I want a USP expert more
>>29831870
I have 3 guns in .357 Sig currently. I love the caliber.
>>29831834
I have .40S&W barrels that I shoot out of both too, and have the same result. I also used to own both a USPc9 and G19 gen 3. I never shot them all that much though.
>>29831885
I'm not even the guy with the .357 USPc, I was just busting your balls for liking Glock.
>>29831885
Gen 3. If you're implying that Gen 4 Glocks have reduced recoil, I've owned both Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock 20's and they had the same recoil.
>>29831894
Does the gen 3 recoil the same as the gen 4? I don't have any side by side comparisons with those. It's really nitpicking honestly, but I would never say the USP has less flip than the 19, but it could also be how I shoot.
I shoot the USP a bit better than the glock anyways
>>29831899
Nice bait I guess?
>>29831910
There is no difference at all. It was a swing and a miss by glock. Its not bad or unreliable or anything, but its not an improvement either, and it makes some gen4 parts incompatible with gen3 parts, which is bullshit, the took something that wasn't broke, and engineered the fuck out of it, for nothing. Gen3 is best gen.
>>29831946
Well if you are comparing the 40 versions, I would argue that the glock was designed for 9mm and the HK for 40, and I have no extensive history with any 40 so I will take your word for it
>>29831590
>>29831599
no, they wont. theres no point. the 229/228 may be a little thick but that have a decent hold in the market for their compacts. Not to mention the 320 series. The 239 is popular because its a single stack, its a niche item. That would be like glock saying the 43 should be a double stack and releasing a 44 when the 26 exists. It aint gonna happen, deal with it
Definitely the HK.
>>29832007
>That would be like glock saying the 43 should be a double stack and releasing a 44 when the 26 exists.
I don't think you understand how big a p239 is.
>>29832120
Don't worry anon, he's fucking retarded.
>>29830877
I like my USPs, but a SIG 227 would be nice as well.
USPs have a stupid proprietary rail which is annoying if you want to stick a light or something on them.
With the UPSs the upgraded trigger mech is really worth it, really a big leap forward from the trigger in a standard USP.
>>29831741
Considering I've seen it twice now on separate guns? Yeah. No thanks. I know it's still not a LIKELY problem, but it's one that I simply don't want to even consider. The USP is tough as fuck, arguably on par with or better than Glock.
That being said, don't leave your FNX in the sun unless you want the G36 problem.
>>29831751
>>29831774
>The USP-C recoils softer than a Glock of the same caliber.
>>29831854
Enh. Glock ownership doesn't really make you a poorfag. I feel like it's Babby's First Basic Bitch Gun, but it's not an objectively bad choice, and Glocks stopped being cheaper than most of their contemporaries in the 90s. Hell, the VP9 is in a close price point against them. Glocks aren't cheap, USPs are pricey.
>>29832222
>USPs have a stupid proprietary rail which is annoying if you want to stick a light or something on them.
OP, this guy is right about the rail. However, you have to ask yourself exactly what you plan to do with the rail. Streamlight has been marvelous about supporting the USP's rail, offering a good number of lights, lasers, and combinations of the two. That's assuming you even care.
Seconding this. I swapped from a Glock 23 to a USP40c, and I've absolutely never looked back.
>>29833208
>>>29831751
>>>29831774
>>The USP-C recoils softer than a Glock of the same caliber.
Fuck. I meant this:
>Seconding this. I swapped from a Glock 23 to a USP40c, and I've absolutely never looked back.
As a response to that. Got my formatting all fucked. Point being, the difference in felt recoil between the Glock 23 and the USP40c was notable, and even moreso vs my fullsize USP40.
>>29833208
FN admitted they had a problem with their polymer and offered to fix handguns with the issue. I think Dustin Ellerman talked about it on one of his youtube videos.
>>29833208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGq1uwoOSHs
>>29833208
G36 doesn't melt
It was a hoax made by the german department of defense and the media
Lets put an end to this meme please
>>29832120
I do actually, but I don't think you understand the point I and trying to make. Maybe I gave you a little too much credit for trying to understand my example?
>>29833620
Bold claim, HK shill. Show me proof that it's false, because last I checked, even HK basically said "Hey, we gave you exactly what you asked for, you just started doing weird shit with it like hanging out in deserts and shit. If you wanted a gun for the desert, we'd have made that. Want some 416s, bro?"
>>29834350
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/03/30/lithuania-resumes-buying-g36s-finds-no-flaw-guns/
http://www.janes.com/article/55456/germany-s-g36-cleared-by-trio-of-studies
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/10/14/hk-vindicated-no-problems-found-with-g36/
>>29834659
Thanks
>>29834350
I hope this is bait. You can't seriously suggest hk aren't the best performance firearms on market
ESPECIALLY in desert . what u think tier one forces carry in trashganistan or Iraq ? Yea I'd take 416 or hk45 over ANY two of any other weapons
>>29835010
No problem. I honestly think the G36 fiasco was making a problem out of nothing. The weapon fulfills and exceeds the requirements set by the German government. It does string when it gets massively hot, but not any worse than a contemporary AR15 derivative. The fiasco they had was purely political, and unfortunately damaged the name of H&K.
>>29831367
Smallest ounce I've ever seen
>>29833577
>one foot on a pig, and the other shootin
kek
>>29831455
I have a stainless USP compact 9mm from like, 1997, variant 3 so its decocker only, bretty good
>>29835136
It would not surprise me one bit to find out it was an attempt to disassociate firemarms from the german image, despite the fact that its one of the last few good things about germany.
Next we'll see a huge PR scandal about german beer being made from cheaper crap than US beer.
>>29831086
125lb skeleton here,
I carry a P2000. Conceals well but fuck is it big. Makes it uncomfortable to sit but pretty comfy otherwise. Definitely my best-shooting handgun too, it really shines when practicing drawing and shooting
If I'm looking for a handgun with a threaded barrel, what would you guys recommend? I've been thinking an HK USP .45, but I'm wondering if there are more cost effective options.
FNX .45? SIG P226? Glock with an aftermarket threaded barrel?
Does anyone recommend 9mm over .45 suppressed?
>>29836930
>what would you guys recommend?
It really depends on what features you want and how it fits your hand. But according to silencerco's tests, the P226 suppresses the quietest compared to other 9mm's but marginally.
As for suppressing, get 9mm. Some people like to think .45 suppresses better than 9mm because it's a slower bullet but it just isn't true.
Some anon in a thread the other day proposed an explanation regarding the fact that .45 subsonic ammo is a lot more common to find than 147gr 9mm.
>>29836930
.45 ACP goes better with suppressors because I think most .45 ammo is subsonic.
Thats not to say that you cant just buy a box of subsonic 9mm as well.
As for the gun I would just buy the one you feel the most comfortable with, since all the guns you named are a good purchase.
>>29830877
Currently saving for usp and agree alloy is shit son
I have aids
>>29836930
If you want to save money then buy a Glock 17 and a threaded barrel. S&W M&P's are also very cost-effective. If you want .45 then the FNX45 tactical USP45 Tactical are both about the same price, so it'd come down to personal preference. I prefer the USP, but I don't really like the tactical models.
As for 9mm vs .45, I prefer .45 but thats mostly because its way more impressive to hear the 230 grain .45 hit the target or backstop when shooting suppressed. Its not hard to find subsonic 9mm, most if not all 147 grain is subsonic a lot of factory 124 grain even is subsonic if it isn't +p. You can even find 115gr subsonic ammo, which doesn't cycle my Glock 17.
>>29837322
>>29837113
>>29837093
Aye, thank you guys. I guess I'll just see what's what's on sale. Interesting point on .45 vs 9mm subsonic's.
Does anyone know who makes USP expert threaded barrels?
>>29837889
jarvis should.
So I just decided I want a 226navy. Why is this gun 800-1k?
>>29838150
Because sig fanboys are willing to pay that much for an anchor and a sticker.
>>29838150
phosphate coating, really. You should only get one if you genuinely like how it looks or for the short external extractor.
Other than that, you're getting memed on.
>>29838181
I'm okay with getting bent over a bit. I am actually in the Navy. And I do actually wear anchors. I figure I may as well get one. Seems like a good enough keepsake.
>>29831162
So your fellow copfag didn't get the chance to shoot an unarmed 8 year old kid? Damn, maybe next time.
>>29838250
Go for it then. Apparently people get really buttflustered whenever they see a mk25 on /k/ so that might be a plus for you.
>>29838250
Get it if you have the money dude. They look sweet and people who know funs will notice it and then it will start a conversation.
>>29838375
Yeah. I'm a fan of rustling jimmies.
I've never really considered one before. Then a while ago I thought I should check them out. Then forgot and was reminded of them. I was honestly a bit shocked when I just looked and saw the price. Is there any truth to the "issued secret squirrel gun for seal team 69" stuff guys on armslist are saying? Also what's up with this coating? (inb4 just Google it. I plan to when I get home.)
>>29838421
The coating is good for saltwater operations.
>>29838464
Ahh. Much like my years of mistreatment at the hands of incompetent jo's.
>>29838421
>Is there any truth to the "issued secret squirrel gun for seal team 69" stuff guys on armslist are saying?
I remember that thread. I posted a reply about it and it is 100% bullshit. A civilian mk25 would have never been actually used by a seal overseas, it just doesn't happen.
The phosphate coating prevents corrosion in saltwater hence the seal stuff.
But really the main selling point to sig aficionados at least is the short extractor as opposed to the long extractors on every p226 sig makes now. Apparently it's more reliable and less prone to breaking.
>>29830877
One without that gay little flashlight?
>>29838488
Not apparently, its a fact. The short extractors are tool steel, the ugly long appendage is a MIM piece of garbage.
>>29838530
damnit to fuck, wrong picture.
>>29838530
>>29838541
I want to come over to your house, masturbate ontop of your pool table and ejaculate onto your p225/p6 collection.
Can I?
>>29838563
Sure man, come on by.
I still haven't snapped pics of the heel release P225 I picked up in January because i'm a lazy fuck, but it could probably use a good cum lubing.
>>29831118
>cheese puffs
Go with the 227 OP, though honestly, I'd just go for 226 since ballistics and all that.
USP 45 sucks shit though. Fucking everybody knows it's not a soldier's gun. Tight tolerances. Full length guide rod, and all that good stuff that makes it unreliable.
>>29838608
USP .45 unreliable?
Please for the love of god kill yourself.
I love my West German P226, but I don't know if I would buy a new one.
I haven't been impressed by them when I've handled them.
>>29838643
Love the grips m80
>>29838633
>Not knowing about our lord and savior, Cokeman, and the Jontron levels of butt devastation he is able to inflict
Fucking newfags. Sick of this summer shit already.
>>29838643
I sometimes wish I had a rail but I'd rather buy another gun or a P239.
Though, if I ever did want another Sig, I'd probably get a Legion 229, don't really like fullsizes.
>>29838633
he's referencing a joke webm that I cant find right now
so have the youtube link instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRRwbhN4-sU
>>29835107
I own several HKs myself, and I'm going to be getting your much coveted 416 upper this week. I am aware that they are great pieces of equipment, but I'm not brand loyal to the point of fanaticism. Last I heard, G36 was in bad shape. I kinda stopped following it after HK released their statement that seemed like they also believed it. I chalked it up to the fact that every now and then, mistakes happen.
I swear sometimes HK owners would be the Macfags of the gun world if Glock ownders didn't exist.
>>29835136
That's good to know. I was a bit surprised to hear about the whole thing, especially since they were talking about like 8 MOA or some shit. I haven't had a chance to actually read those articles yet because bedtime, but I'm curious to see what the exact deal was.
>>29834659
Remember guys, beware the comments section
"We German Bundeswehr soldiers got back to the modernized G3 7,62x51 /308 with an 4-/8x Aimpoint Optic !
If you are under unfriendly fire , the older G3 was more usefull over long distances , those Taliban Assholes shooting from longer distances, so our G-36 Rifles was not so able to got really impacts to the enemy.
Since Jears we all talk about the Cal.223 Remington , its fine fore short distance but not so helpfull about 150 meters, less Man stopping power , easy to deflect by wind and sand and vegetation , so what ?
This Taliban shooting with 7,62x39 AK 47 heavy Bullets over 500 meters , and this was not nice Dear friend !
Unbelievable but this Bullets got enough energy to target a comrade down, 5,56mm didn't, good for 300 m."
