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AK GENERAL /akg/
Arsenal Sucks edition
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262351
who WASR masterrace here?
>>29806337
MFW at guys paying $1000 for a rusted gun.
>>29806337
>Arsenals have shitty rattlecan spray paint finish
>Just like Russian military AK
Wow, it's fucking nothing.
>>29806410
the disparity comes for the fact that a $1000 arsenal is the gold standard in AKM pattern guns for US consumers, yet they have more fragile finishes than, say, the infamous wasr.
cosmetics aside, this runs counter to arsenals reputation as well as its price point.
AR fag here
Is it normal for an AK to absolutely pitch brass far?
One guy I shot with had his AK shooting brass at 4 o clock, 20 feet high and 30 feet away
He felt it was normal and I don't know Shit about them so I couldn't say anything
>>29806369
i enjoyed your ban
>>29806369
all generals are shitposting and should be deleted on sight, this is just less subtle.
>>29806448
Yes, AK's can have very violent ejections since they're heavily gassed.
Rifle is fine.
>>29806448
Yeah. I thought the same thing, and I was especially worried because I built mine. When I first test fired I tried looking for the cases like I would for an AR but couldn't find any, it wasn't until later that day that I found out the cases were laying on top of my trucks roof.
>>29806337
So does this mean I wont be buying an SLR-104 this week?
>>29806461
>all generals are shitposting and should be deleted on sight
>tfw this will never happen
>>29806558
why are you asking us? thats completely up to you.
>>29806337
why buy when you can build?
Wait so how do I play this game? Like this?
>2016
>buying an ar15
>ever
LOOOOOOOL
>>29806632
i cant build. therefore i buy.
>>29806632
this
I know a lot of people say WASR but is the N-PAP any good? I've handled a WASR before but the length of pull was just way too short for my long gorilla arms and I had read that the N-PAP had a longer stock and I like the look of its front handguard too.
>>29806768
Buy an O-PAP instead
>>29806779
I wanted an O-PAP but the only ones I could find now are on Gunbroker for like $750
>this thread
guess im getting my arsenal cerakoted
>>29806358
The only Ak I'm willing to treat like the slut that she is
>>29806565
Happens on some other boards, depends on the moderation. anything with "general" in the OP is deleted on /a/, for example
>>29806819
Wtf is on your trigger guard ?
>>29806800
Really? Got mine for $570 a year and half ago from prepper gun shop.
>>29806841
semi-auto full fun
Whats the quality of DDI, IO Inc. and Two River Arms AK's ?
>>29806841
Hellfire trigger
>>29806854
>I hope you don't have dogs
>>29806866
Does it work well on the AK? Tried it on my father's SR-15 and it was shit.
>>29806876
Not mine and they are legal
>>29806883
You have to hold it a certain way but it works quite well for me
>>29806909
Might have to try it on mine then, the SR jammed every other shot. Got one 5 round burst to work.
>>29806369
I second this post
PREVIOUS THREAD >>29786077
>>29806337
So what this boils down to is after 5k rounds:
>Ras47
>650-700
>finish survives
>gun fails
>slr107
>900-1000
>finish fails
>gun survives
Choose one.
>>29806806
it depends on date of manufacture. it seems the bubbly ones are more recent, older ones are ok
>>29806974
How do you tell on arsenals ?
Real /akg/ is here:
>>29798647
>>29798647
>>29798647
>>29806942
get a DDI
>>29806857
ddi good, IO is shit, dunno about the other, Ive owned DDI and IO
Century sucks, Arsenal sucks,DDI sucks.
I wanted a AK but they all have fucking issues, fuck it don't know what to even consider buying anymore.
>>29807039
AR is the promised land.
>>29807060
Do AR's ever have canted sights or dumb issues it seems like every AK has in one form or another?
>>29807087
Nah they just have this problem where you buy one and slowly become an autistic fag
>>29807087
rarely. I've heard of a colt having that happen.
>>29807039
a converted saiga/VEPR
merica cant into AK building since forever.
>>29807107
this is true. the rifle corrupts the user with ARs. not the other way around.
>>29807119
What does /K think on the colt ar15a4 vs FN15 full size.
>>29806448
yeah. remember the AK was not designed with reloading the brass in mind. most 7.62x39mm is Berdan primed steelcase anyway. it is very much normal for the AK to chuck the cases into the next county. rollerlocked firearms aren't any better and a lot of them mangle brass first THEN throw it half a mile.
>small amount of rust/cosmetic issues after a ridiculous and unrealistically improbable test
>WAGHH ARSENAL SUCKS WOW ILL NEVER BUY FROM THEM AGAIN
jesus fucking christ, there are quite some retards on here. We should all stop shooting steelcase ammo because luckygunner says they make your barrel shit the bed in 100,000 rounds later.
I guess some people are genuinely more concerned about how their rifle looks over the performance. Pretty sad
>>29807087
occasionally it happens. I've heard of Palmetto State Armory AR uppers having canted front sights, but never so badly that they couldn't be zeroed.
>>29806369
i've never wanted to be a teddy bear more in my life than right now.
>>29806974
mines a 106 so the newest it could be is a 2013
based on conflicting info from ak files its either a 2006 or a 2012
¯\(°_o)/¯
>>29807226
How do you tell manufacture year ?
>>29807151
you could build a better rifle for the same amount of money.
>>29807193
>We should all stop shooting steelcase ammo because luckygunner says they make your barrel shit the bed in 100,000 rounds later.
Actually it was zero to smoothbore in less than six thousand rounds, and that with chrome-lined barrels and semi-auto shooting only. But it's not the steel cases that were the culprit, it's the copper washed steel jacketed bullets that ate the rifling like a fat kid stuffing himself with wedding cake.
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/
>>29807193
>steelcase ammo
>make your barrel shit the bed
PPFFFFFFF LOL Whatever
>>29807252
>the copper washed steel jacketed bullets that ate the rifling
>STEEL JACKETED
>ATE THE RIFLING
YA DON'T FUCKING SAY. WOW, WHAT A SHOCKER.
Jesus christ.
>>29807246
There are some threads on ak files about it but they offer conflicting info. Best way is probably to call KVAR and ask
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1666772
>>29807193
>small amount of rust/cosmetic issues after a ridiculous and unrealistically improbable test
nigger, it was 90 rounds.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262351
bottom of the page.
>>29807269
it does kill your barrel noticeably sooner. of course, over 6k rounds at 6 CPR (the current difference between the cheapest steel case and cheapest re-manufactured brass) youre still saving $360. thats more than enough for a brand new barrel in savings.
>>29807193
>a ridiculous and unrealistically improbable test
>Three magdumps
It's funny because we're talking about the AK.
>>29806337
>AK GENERAL
>Shitposting edition
Really dude? Straight away?
>>29806632
agreed
>>29807327
Of course, this ain't an AR that goes together and comes apart like it's made out of Lego blocks.
Replacing a barrel in an AR is relatively simple. Replacing a barrel in an AK is non-trivial at best.
>>29807159
Right but besides being flung into the next county, the brass usually is 100% reloadable if recovered.
>>29807364
however, it bears mentioning that proper foreign made AK barrels will last far longer eating steel case than the normal button-rifled AR barrel.
This thread is dildos and not in the good way.
Reminder that this is the actual /akg/ that's been up for a while:
>>29798647
>>29798647
>>29798647
>>29807327
>kill your barrel
>>29807327
>steel case
Yeah I really don't think there's a correlation between casing material and barrel wear, unless the cases are made out of fucking titanium or something.
Now JACKET material, I believe entirely because fucking duh.
>>29807392
because of less pressure/heat/friction not because of materials or how they are made.
>>29806768
ive got an npap
functionality they are amazing, but aftermarket is butts because they use their own style handguard and stock.
>>29806369
Holy fucking shit, she's incredibly hot...
>>29806681
pretty much
Got a wasr and I fucking love it. Hate the furniture though. Anyone recommend some decent replacements and some sites to buy it from.
>browsing local classifieds
>some faggot is asking $700 for a bone stock unconverted saiga 7.62x39 16" barrel
>says price is FIRM in the ad
nigga is this a joke? i bought mine for $300 brand new from a reputable dealer which i could always return it to if something was wrong with it. is $700 really the going rate for this shit now? if so, i will sell mine in an instant to some idiot before saiga opens their florida factory and starts pumping out $200 aks again
>>29807364
>Replacing a barrel in an AK is non-trivial at best.
still costs less than $400 to have an ak re-barreled. and an ak barrel will likely last longer
>>29807425
>dur its not the case itself
no shit, Sherlock. feel free to buy some steel case with projectiles that arent hard on your barrel, if you can find any.
>>29807514
the romanian furniture is cheap and shitty looking. just look for chinese wood, or polymer from kvar if you like that look
>>29807514
http://www.apexgunparts.com/romanian-ak47-akm-wood-stock-set-w-pistol-grip-good.html
>>29807531
>>29807526
Thanks for the recommendations. Checking out now.
>>29807252
Does that include tulammo 7.62x39? I was just gifted 1500 rounds of it
>>29807577
http://www.copesdistributing.com/armory-made-akmak74-stock-black-p-8658.html?osCsid=5jkji8rsrkmv8dcsmv3r3ur043
>>29807594
yes
don't worry about it, this fella:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/159106_AK_abuse__home_built_version_update_on_Page_6_.html&page=1
has a business taking care of AKs that shoot steel jacketed ammo on full auto all day.
they tolerate it much better than LuckyGunner's ARs.
can you parkerize an AK with out having having to take it completely apart?
>>29807649
That thread was so fun to link whenever the WASR hater brigade started spamming the IV8888 "meltdown" vid.
>>29807649
Just what I like to see, thanks for the link.
What's the difference between parkerized and blued steel finishes?
>>29807594
Oh my god it's an AK it is meant to shoot steel cased ammunition. Luckygunner mag dumped for their barrel testing. Steel cased ammo powder burns a little hotter due to powders used in russia which is probably why it was all fucked up sooner. I bet you won't ever tear your barrel out since AKMs are rated to 15k plus for barrels and you probably won't notice accuracy degradation for even longer.
I really appreciate Rob's testing but oh my god the end conclusion is that all rifles have problems and I guess we should just buy ARs now.
ANOTHER ARSENAL FAILURE!
DUMP THEM NOW!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rWxHN62LiGk
>>29807151
FN15 is nothing milspec.
Its literally Colt or nothing if you want a true M16A4. Otherwise get a LMT or, if you can find it <850, a 6920.
>>29807792
this. per their test posting:
>If anything would make that lacquer coating “melt,” it would be the treatment these rifles received during the test. We shot them until they were too hot to hold – hot enough that a chambered round would cook off in ten to fifteen seconds.
so unless you are magdumping at the range for 8,000 rounds you are going to get much much more serviceable life out of your barrels. they were trying to speed up the round counts to because they dont have years to do the test. but that also affects the results. barrels erode exponentially faster when the steel heats up, if you are slow firing a round a second at the range you will probably never see your barrel weear out
>>29807819
I'm noticing this on SLR107s and not on SLR104s at least from this all shit lately. I'm betting there aren't many SLR104s being produced right now and this paint fuck up is something messed up going on recently. Shame on arsenal for letting this crap slip through.
>>29807819
>That 7.62x39 bark
>>29807860
The 'why' is obvious. What is less obvious to most people is to stop taking the test at literal face value of round counts between steel and brass and start spouting that 6000 steel cased rounds will fuck their AR through 150 rounds a week usage.
In the market for a holographic sight and a magnifier, is compatibility something I have to worry about? like the magnifier being too high/low etc, that sort of thing
>>29807887
that seems pretty obvious to me though, but i guess a lot of people dont know basic chemistry principles like the hotter metal becomes, the softer it becomes. hence why i pointed out they were literally shooting their ARs in the test until round cookoff temperatures were experienced, which i doubt most of us kommandos do
>>29807819
I love the excuses.
"Mines good"
"Doesn't happen to my Arsenal"
"Must be a bad batch"
It's all bullshit.
This kind of shit is what has allowed Arsenal to get to this point.
Fanboys making excuses and letting them get away with inexcusable problems while they maintain their high prices and "premium" status.
Don't stand for it.
Make Arsenal Great Again
>>29807920
yes, what mount do you have? mounting optics on AKs can be tricky. you basically either replace the gas tube with a railed gas tube, or use one of those recent dog leg rails that replaces your iron sights and runs over your dustcover. or if you have a side mount welded to the receiver like a lot of romanian AKs, you can find a railed mount but your shit will be so high you will get no cheek weld. i personally dont like gas tube rails because the heat basically cooks your expensive optics
>>29807985
I don't even have the rifle I'm planning on putting the optics on yet; I'm just trying to do my homework early. I hadn't thought about that with the gas tube; that's pretty interesting
>>29807979
A lot of older arsenals aren't showing this poor quality of paint. It may be a bad batch but that doesn't absolve arsenal of any wrong-doing in the matter. I've always heard they're parkerized beneath the paint (ALWAYS) and it sure as shit doesn't look parkerized.
Something is really fucked up at that factory because the finish we're seeing is worse than it's terrible reputation would initially suggest.
>>29808000
if optics are extremely important to you, i would get an AR15 instead. just my opinion though
>>29807449
Even comparing barrels of the same caliber, CHF will last longer than conventional button rifling.
>>29808000
many an eotech has been fried on the ultimak gas tube rail. aimpoints seem to hold up to the heat if they have a little mount under them to help dissipate the heat. the cheap optics that mount straight to a rail will fry
Why are arsenal fans such apologists for their obvious short comings?
This is why the ak market will never see a consistent quality made in the US. Makes me sad.
>>29808088
It's all gonna go on a TWS dog leg anyway.
>>29808070
I already have a WASR mane, I'm in too deep already, and I love AK's
>>29808124
ah i thought you just said you didnt have the rifle yet, must have been another anon. i agree the dogleg seems to be the superior optics platform for AKs nowadays. if i was putting optics on mine, its what i would use
>>29806442
>gold standard.
I'd rather buy a DDI any day.
pro tip: the LaRue quick detach mount doesn't fit on the Ultimak. ask me how I know
>>29808174
that sucks, what did you use then?
>>29808149
No that was me, I'm waiting till I get a DDI till I start buying optics. I hear Zenit is the absolute best but 300$+ for a railed dust cover is a bit fucking much imo
>>29808163
For all the DDI shilling you do, I gotta ask:
Do you even own a DDI? or are you just the 'fox and sour grapes' all your other posts about Arsenal make you seem?
>>29808087
Could that be in part because of chrome lining? Are AR15 barrels commonly chromed?
>>29808188
im just gonna get an oem mount. the t-2 was only instock at LaRue thats why I ordered from them. I don't really want a qd mount
I need a russian rifle to be a STALKER but I want to cheat and have something that can really reach out long distances.
How can I modify this 6.5 Grendel VEPR to be more traditionally slav looking, and what are some old Russian scopes that would be effective to 800m?
>>29806369
Dear sweet murdercube
>>29808193
Not only that but you need one of their lower handguards for that dust cover too.
>>29808174
LaRue's QD mounts are pretty lacking in general from what I've seen.
>>29807007
>ddi
>good
>>29808087
>CHF will last longer than conventional button rifling.
it's pretty common to get a chf chrome lined or qpq treated barrel for an ar.
>Just a quick update: My rifle has rust developing under and around the gas block area. Pictures coming up soon. If this rifle had rusty barrel components BEFORE the finish was applied, I will most definitely ask for a refund instead of a refinish.
What Pandora's box has ol' Robski opened?
>one batch of bad SLR-107frs which appear to have oil under the paint that heated up and ruined the finish
>haha wow look how shitty Arsenals are, haha wow I mean, isn't this just amazing? Such shit rifles, all Arsenals are shit now and there is no way that Arsenal can fix this.
Seriously, just fuck off. It's pretty clear a bad batch made it out, reserve your shit flinging until we see if Arsenal actually fixes the problem.
>>29808405
it's what he gets for wanting commie guns.
>>29808414
pinto
>>29806337
>>29806358
Who would've thought the WASR would be the champion in the end...
>>29808414
>paint boiling off
>rust under the paint
>metal not even parkerized
This goes beyond a simple mistake here.
>>29808246
Put PSL furniture on it
I've got a XM-55 and nothing has happened yet. I've put almost 2000 rounds through it and just last week blasted through 4 rounds rather quickly. It's obvious there's issues but I probably got lucky. Who knows.
>>29808414
Arsenals have had this problem for literally years. I have two guns one from 09 and the other from '13 and I admit Arsenal puts shitty krylon on their guns.
I actually use my guns so I don't really give a shit about how they look. They're flawless in terms of function. I could take a picture of my oldest one and the barrel looks like ass but I'm not concerned about it at all.
>>29808417
neck yourself
>>29808405
A whole box of entertainment. Arsenal fanbois and apologists are going to be on suicide watch for a long time.
>>29808450
Yeah, who gives a shit about rust being present or a completely absent parkerization that's marketed as being a feature.
>>29808430
A new tripfag, great...
>>29808447
It's pretty clear that there was oil under the paint, which would also explain the rust since it probably trapped a layer of moisture under it. It appears to be a batch that was improperly degreased before paint/enamel. I'm not saying it's just a "simple mistake" it's big fucking mistake but it doesn't suddenly mean all Arsenal rifles have this problem or that Arsenal isn't going to fix it.
>>29808444
There's still the VEPR, Saiga, Norinco/Polytech, and parts kit rebuilds done right
>>29808450
No they haven't had these problems for years you fucking piece of shit. Stop lying.
>>29808461
>neck yourself
You want him to kiss himself?
>>29808476
The paint lasted all of three magazines
There is rust out of the factory on a gun costing $1200 after everything is said and done
And the FUCKING PARKERIZATION ISN'T EVEN THERE
And this is cropping up ALL OVER NOW
And STILL there are retarded tools trying to handwave this aside like it's no big deal. Kill yourselves.
>>29808477
The Saiga and Norinco/Poly Tech are now collectors items, and the Vepr is more akin to a hunting rifle than an AK.
But you're right home brew part kits.
>have arsenal
>zero issues
Stay mad WASRfags
>>29808461
no
>>29808476
don't worry, i won't stay. i can feel my groups opening up just from being in this thread already.
>>29808449
>4 rounds rather quickly.
Fail, Don't go to fast or ur finish will burn off bro.
>All this rage
>Arsenal fanbois in full DC
>Robski hasn't even dropped everything that's cropped up in his torture session
This is fucking glorious.
>>29808274
what do you mean by that?
>>29808529
Sorry I didn't even notice. I meant to say 4 magazines.
Not sure what is going on but there seems to be an issue and maybe I just got lucky.
>>29808530
I wonder if Arsenal will be able to recover from this.
>not thinking this is rigged
Rob Ski fucking hates arsenal and is literally a ddi shill. Why does anyone even care?
>>29808532
I mean they're apparently not up to snuff compared to offerings from Bobro, ADM, and others.
>>29808545
if they unfuck themselves like cugir and century (to an extent) they yes, they will do just fine.
it's situations like this that are a benefit to all gun owners.
>>29808576
Doesn't seem like Century has done that if the RAS-47 fall apart after 5,000 rounds.
>>29808545
The fanboys will try to push it down with excuse after excuse.
>Didn't happen to MY Arsenal
>It's just the well known shitty paint on a premium priced rifle
>It's just a bad batch, still better than your WASR
Can't wait to see all the butthurt and excuses when the hammer turns to butter and FCG breaks.
>>29807159
You mean roller delayed blowback
>>29806448
Violent little monsters.
>>29808576
I really wish the RAS47 were a decent gun. I can live with the cast sights and gas block. I can even accept the cheap furniture. But not the bolt wear
>>29808590
that's why I said 'to an extent'. they have lots of work to do, but compared to the early offerings that rifle was a big improvement.
>>29808547
>excuses and deflection
Do arsenalfags really think like this?
It's sad.
Arsenal should be held to a much higher standard if they expect people to pay for it.
>>29808477
Out of those, the only rifles that leave (or left, in this case), the factory ready to go are the collector AKs that cost even more than an arsenal and have no warranty.
If arsenal shit the bed, the US AK market really is just a hobbled together mess of WASRs, garage builds and $2000+ bullshit.
Seriously, how hard is it for a group of these guys to sit down and give us a foreign-built rifle finished here in the states that's done correctly for what it's actually worth to the customer? Literally every other industry had this shit figured out ten years ago.
>>29808222
>Do you even own a DDI? or are you just the 'fox and sour grapes' all your other posts about Arsenal make you seem?
I get paid 50 cents per DDI post. Only 30 more posts until I can get a DDI tshirt!
>>29808576
That's if the community tells them to unfuck their shit instead of offering blankets, hot chocolate, and a therapy session. WASRs were nothing short of a punchline in the AK world pre-2008, and as a result Cugir and Century got their act together and stopped consistently churning out sub-par rifles. If no one cared and just shrugged their shoulders, saying "It's no big deal", we'd likely still be getting those shitheaps with their trigger-slap, rampant canted sights/GBs, shoddily hand-cut magwells etc. etc.
>>29808591
It's already happening, here's a quote from my FB feed:
"There are negatives about literally every aspect of life. This is no better than the media saying only reporting on the negative. I've had countless arsenals in my day, a few opaps, kid builds, and a couple DDI's, and if I'm worrying about the finish, I have too much time on my hands."
>>29808504
Wow, nice reading comprehension. Again I'll state that it's clear there was a bad batch that went out which would be thousands of rifles, they skipped a few steps and fucked up, a few people are probably going to get fired, and finally that we should reserve our shitposting until Arsenal addresses the issue or not.
>>29808530
add to that the recent ak fail videos and it looks like the pendulum has swung and now the ak is expensive and crap and the ar is cheap and reliable.
fantastic times we live in.
>>29808591
>Didn't happen to MY Arsenal
It didn't and isn't happening to 99% of Arsenal rifles, there was a bad batch, that is all.
>It's just the well known shitty paint on a premium priced rifle
>It's just a bad batch, still better than your WASR
Why are people so delusional and in capable of taking things in context.
>>29807785
parkerize is a zinc phosphate finish applied to the gun in a electro chemical reaction
bluing is turning the outer later of steel into magnetite, which is basically a form of rust. which provides some corrosion protection much like how aluminum does. Though you need to oil bluing to make it really effective.
parkerizing also leaves a surface behind that holds oil well, holds up to abuse better, and is cheaper and easier to do.
While bluing can be polished and made all pretty.
>>29808611
I still don't understand why big names like Ruger, Colt, Winchester, ect don't take up making AKs.
>>29808666
>Colt
>Making AKs
If they started today, we'd likely see their first 5.45 offering in about 2030.
>>29808611
Because we keep getting hit by import bans, we have a bunch of stupid laws, a lot of the overseas manufacturers tend to also have to balance military contracts, among other reasons.
>>29808631
What the heck happened, I remember when ARs were thought of as richfag rifles. Why can't America into making AKs?
>>29808615
I think with DDI and Century slowly creeping up on them in build quality they will eventually. DDI is putting out side folding stocks soon, so about the only edge Arsenal has right now is the barrel.
>>29808640
>there was a bad batch, that is all
You better fucking hope so, because Czechs here are reporting their latest shipments of AKs from the Bulgies are about on par with an INSAS in terms of craftsmanship.
>>29808626
>Again I'll state that it's clear there was a bad batch that went out which would be thousands of rifles
No, that isn't clear. This information hasn't even had a week to circulate. I say this as an arsenal owner with a rifle from the previous batch (XK 55) that was known to ship with poorly heat treated hammers. Until enough data is gathered from batches shipped over the past few years, this could be an ongoing issue.
The odds of that happening are pretty fucking low. Most arsenal owners don't shoot their rifles enough as it is, much less fast enough to heat up the barrel or wear the internal components. Oh, and I highly doubt people are going to scrape off paint to see if their rifle really is just bare metal underneath, so there's that.
The only reason I'm not butthurt is because I saw this coming, and if it really IS an issue, I can unload my 107fr on someone locally for more than I paid for it.
>>29808693
hell, colt will be putting out keymod or mlok railed rifles while HK and FN are working on phased plasma pulse rifles.
>>29808708
>Why can't America into making AKs?
because we are too advanced and we lost the ability to make ancient weapons.
I cum all over my Rifle a lot (It's an SLR107 stamped XM55) I've put it through hell and back and nothing is wrong with it.
I think everyone needs to start cumming on their rifles because it makes them stronger and more resistant to getting hurt. You see if you cum on your rifle the tiny unborn babies go into the tiny parts of the finish and fill them up and gets rid of all the bad.
tl;dr cum all over your rifle daily and you will have ZERO issues.
>>29808708
they can but lack the proper machines and tooling to do it. ARs can be built with a fucking CNC machine.
>>29808709
>so about the only edge Arsenal has right now is the barrel.
That said, "MUH STEYR" carries a significant amount of weight. However, Green Mountain doesn't exactly fuck around with their product, either (I have their 20" pencil profile barrel on my A1 clone, it's fantastic), and puts out a perfectly fine barrel for the DDI AKs.
>>29808735
We're supposed to be getting their first Middy offering this year. In 2016. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
Nah, it's still hilarious.
>>29808752
Prove it, show pic of first 2 digits.
>>29808757
can you tell me why you shitpost from both your phone's web browser AND your computer, fatty?
>on my A1 clone
lol don't get me started about that hodgepodge slab of missmashed shit.
DDI hasn't shit the bed yet, right?
>>29808772
Do you have any new material yet or is it still the same ol' same ol'?
>>29808768
Of my XM55?
My RAS47 rear leaf sight elevation adjust broke today spontaneously under normal use.
Fuck.
>>29808766
It blows my mind that Colt is still only really focused on the military.
>>29808666
Because Ruger would put MIM parts in it and colt wouldn't be able to sell it to the government.
>>29808694
It really boils down to the fact that the AK doesn't sell anywhere near as well as the AR, so literally nobody is in any rush to put out something better. When DDI first popped up, I was willing to give them a chance if they were using ALL foreign hardware and CHF CL barrels.
>>29808788
Too lazy to edit come butt fuck if you want
>>29808757
I don't plan on taking my AK to war or mag dumping magazines constantly so for hundreds less $ a side folding AK from DDI is about perfect.
I just want one in 5.45 but that isn't happening.
>>29808640
I bet you're one of the same people who threw the NPAP under the bus when Rob killed the 1 he ran over.
Arsenalfags are too loyal to a company shits in you face and tells you its a "feature"
>Why are people so delusional
You tell me.
Why is it acceptable for even 1 rifle to go out, let alone a "batch", on a premium top dollar AK?
![WP_20151228_017[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uEUVEWe.jpg "WP_20151228_017[1].jpg")
>>29808789
It's almost like the RAS is comprised of shitty cast parts sourced from Korea and a metric fuckload of cost-cutting measures.
>>29808792
nope. they lost most of their gov contracts this year and last on top of going bankrupt. they're so fucked.
>>29808708
Because companies in the US have been supplying components for the exact same pattern of rifle (AR) for decades?
>>29808814
It's starting to feel like it.
>>29808792
They can't really focus on gov. contracts when FN cockblocked them so hard that Samuel Colt felt it.
>>29808784
I'd ask you the same goatfucker, but Ive already seen you are still cross-contaminating, ragging on Arsenal, and shilling for DDI.
So how bouts you finally just ND yourself and rid us all of your perversions and stupidity?
>>29808792
go look at the Colt plant on a map... its really in a sad state of affairs.....
But I guess thats what you get when all of Samuel Colt's trustfund kiddies dont give a fuck about the family company and just want more more more $. Fully what Squid's parents business is gonna look like in 20 years...
>>29808841
>shilling for DDI.
Lol
>>29808789
oh well. AK surplus is cheap and easily replaced. maybe upgrade to an RPK sight or something.
>>29808809
>Why is it acceptable for even 1 rifle to go out, let alone a "batch", on a premium top dollar AK?
I could see one out of thousands slipping through. That's what customer service and a warranty is for. People fuck up. A WHOLE BATCH though? Shit no. Now that's some serious negligence.
>>29808448
Damn, those are sexy looking. Are they any good?
>>29808789
Check your head spacing yet? :)
Buck Angel from Tactical Response says the RAS47 is good to go and every issue like them exploding is overhyped, who doesn't want an exploding rifle.
>>29808789
You deserve that.
>>29808547
He's definitely pushed more people away from the AK community then brought them in.
People don't know what to buy, anymore.
>>29808806
Not the whole thing man, just to prove your not shit posting, A anti could report ur serial as stolen, it's happened before.
>>29808960
did you really think that guy was serious?
Anyways, I'm sure there's ones if not many of that batch that are fine.
>>29808871
>customer service
>Arsenal
Top kek.
But you are right. 1 slipping through is a non issue, but how possible/probable is it that Rob gets that 1 bad one?
Not very.
To me it's a sign that Arsenal doesn't really care about anything except top profit margin.
>((10)) mags cost between $2-$5 to make
>Even if Arsenal US paid $7-$10 ea, at $15-$25 to the customer they'd rake in money.
>Charges $45 to maximize profit and pay off that third house/new car.
And Arsenal fanboys eat it up and cry poorfag if you don't overpay for the privilege of paying someone elses mortgage.
>>29808918
Bringing people into the community by recommending garbage rifles isn't really a good way to do shit either.
Robskis beating shit up and showing rifles at their worst, how is that a bad thing?
>>29806632
Fuck that's sexy.
>>29808997
go back to /v/ retard
Just looked at my new SLR with triangle folders serial.....OH FUG
>>29809001
Because AK fags are a largely delusional lot who drank the Kool-Aid about it being indestructible and the best thing ever. He's bursting their bubble.
>>29806337
>>29808918
>He's definitely pushed more people away from the AK community then brought them in.
Bullshit.
If anything he's pushed out the spoonfeed me fags who ask "What rifle should I get" instead of doing their own research and drawing their own conclusions.
He's drawing a lot of people into the AK world with his great attitude and dedication to the people who like AKs and wanted to see these kinds of things done to an AK we are considering purchasing.
>>29808814
This is Bert right?
>>29809015
Have you actually shot it at all?
>>29809012
Nice rebuttal.
>I have no arguement, so I'll just tell him to go back to a board that's a cesspool.
>>29806838
/co/ has generals regularly to the point it's a norm, so does /aco/, /out/, /tg/ and /tv/
/k/ has also had generals since it's inception, I don't know why all a sudden hatred for generals unless it's a new policy from the New Jap owners who want to create more boards hence why there is /v/ and then /vg/.
>>29809015
Mines a (ac 54) slr104 any info on that batch ?
Speaking of damage control...
>>29809095
>Pay $1k for a rifle
>"Just refinish it"
I'm fucking dying here.
>>29809095
Holy fuck, that's not OUR Flandre, is it?
>>29809095
garbage finish is now mil-spec guys. better tell colt and FN to fire their entire QC departments and start using sharpie instead of anodizing.
Every /akg/ thread for the next four months is going to be like this, isn't it?
>>29809095
I don't know how that thing even owns guns, He would answer yes to question 11.F on the 4473.
>>29809150
Welcome.
>>29809150
Yup.
>>29809139
Sure is.
>>29809095
>Spend over $1k on a rifle
>Have to replace the trigger -and- get it refinished
Spectacular.
>>29809150
You should buy more 74 mags to sell and find various ways to insult anons who are butthurt by your prices.
>>29809139
He/she is a living meme, no one actually likes or gives a damn about him off this board.
>>29806337
>Boo hoo my ak has bad finish
>Gun actually survives torture test
>This romanian version has great finish
>Rifle literally falling apart at end of same test
You guys are fucking autistic morons.
>>29809150
it can only get worse
>>29809046
Watch your parts broham. Someone's RAS has broke under normal circumstances. A fee posts above yours.
>>29809171
That's pretty disappointing....
>>29809183
You're retarded if you think the RAS47 is Romanian. It's no where near the same as a WASR.
>>29808789
>Easily fixed with a readily available part
Robski's did the exact same thing.
>>29809177
To be fair, if you bought any other rifle and wanted to make it what 107fr owners bought their rifle for you'd spend more than a trigger and refinish cost.
Man, the 'tards spouting off all "It's just the finish, bro! Don't be mad!" had best pray that Thursday's reveal doesn't involve the SLR shitting out mechanically, or I know what the next /akg/ meme is going to be for the rest of the year.
>>29809186
I'm aware, I'll keep an eye on the headspace and address it accordingly.
>>29809222
Veprs have shit finish too, does that make them shit Ak variants now too?
>>29809213
To be fair, I will suckstart my broomhandle before I ever drop $1200 on a rifle and get told to replace the FCG and have it completely refinished in order to cover up some factory bullshit.
>>29809230
Do the VEPRs have their finishes melting off after three mags and have surface rust as a feature? Or are you seriously trying to rope the VEPR in on this circus?
>>29809222
He'said only 1000 rounds in, there is so much more butt hurt to come.
>t-the rifle wouldn't break if he didn't do the drop test!
>i-It's still a-accurate!
I'm praying to the kube that the trigger breaks and downs the gun permanently for the test.
>>29809241
Well my vepr 7.62x39 had some of it's finish bubbling off just like that arsenal, want pics?
>>29809241
>Inb4 the Saiga gets compared to this bulgarian trash
O I am laffin.
>>29809252
Did it have rust too, anon? This is critical here because, you know, rust is a hell of a lot more serious than some shitty finish, especially when that rust is -under- said finish out from the factory.
>>29808789
Question, does your trigger feel like a two stage trigger?
Check out this Peened front trunnion on a DDI.
>>29809241
>are you seriously trying to rope the VEPR in on this circus?
Wouldn't be the first time Arsenalfags have tried to drag others down with them when things started getting nasty..
>>29809262
No, I've found no rust under the finish so far of this rifle at all, but a lot of your guys' complaints are about the finish, and most veprs have shit tier finish.
>>29809222
I hope it does, so I can point and laugh.
>>29809274
>but a lot of your guys' complaints are about the finish
Whoooaaaa nelly...
>>29809272
Just you wait. The amount of shitposting about DDI and WASRs will increase to try to fight the Arsenal shitposting. It's going to be fucking priceless if this shits the bed before the RAS.
>>29809254
Russia and bulgaria use the same paint, He's a saiga that the paint was wiping off and cracked RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
my 104FR gets here hopefully on Wednesday
HYPE
>>29809277
I need that badge in my life.
>>29809295
That literally says "Arsenal Las Vegas" on the side.
Anybody want to see the wear on a slr 104 after 700 rnd ?
>>29809283
And it's not that big of a deal, if the rifle functions flawlessly with pretty strenuous testing, I'd say they're good rifles.
>>29809305
Your receiver is bent, the wear mark on the rails for the Bolt carrier should be closer to the edge, not that far in.
>>29809298
>I need that badge in my life.
You and me both, breh.
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XSoviet+Railroad+Badge.TRS1&_nkw=Soviet+Railroad+Badge&_sacat=0
