Is the PTR-91 any good? I really like the aesthetics of the G3.
Fuckit I'll post again later today then
>>29788248
it is good and very modestly priced for a battle rifle
Yeah they're good, but they don't have all the features of other guns
>>29788358
>>29788361
Thanks I just was wondering about quality issues. I don't mind it's a bit dated.
>>29788380
PTRs = good to go
Also, thank you for not posting this in BRG
They're fags and generals should be banned
>>29788385
there was a really good general earlier this week when that trip who starts and ruins all the threads was away, if only we could have one like that everytime.
>>29788390
we don't need generals though
just make a thread when you want to talk about something
it's how imageboards have always worked
>>29788390
>>29788394
I dislike the generals because half the time I get shit answers or bias opinions on things. BRG seems a lot worse than AR, or AK for some reason though. Why is that?
its good. But it's very advisable to get the latest models with the paddle magazine release installed. As well as the rail if you want to place optics on it, the mil-surplus style mounts are more hit and miss/ the surplus optics dried up
>>29788425
because the M14 is circlejerked into being the worst rifle ever, and FAL fags have paid a huge amount more than PTR guys so they shit on it constantly, whereas there is more camaraderie within AK and AR circles since everyone is using the same platform.
>>29788427
I can't seem to find any black models without rails with a paddle mag release.
>>29788248
Yes, it's a good entrylevel battle rifle, magazines are cheap and common too, I recommend one with a top-rail.
If you're a reloader, get a port-buffer.
>>29788380
Quality is good, some of the older ones were made on German and Portugese parts so the quality of those are good.
PTR make their parts on original H&K tooling too.
>>29788394
I think some generals can be good, and some can be really bad.
I generally avoid them on /k/.
>>29788446
>circlejerked into being the worst rifle ever
Well, it IS less practical and more expensive than it's competitors.
On the other hand, it's the only one of those mentioned with an oldschool rifle stock and the action just feels superb to handle.
>>29788481
Do you mean quad-rail/keymod or a top receiver rail? The top rail is nice to have because fuck claw mounts, quad rails are heavy and uncomfortable though, so I can see why you wouldn't want that.
>>29788446
Meh, akg is alright. Not a lot of elitist trips and people in them. Arg is full of people who are cancer.
>>29788481
http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%20G.I.?id=23
Otherwise, mail them and ask about it.
>>29788633
>>29789450
I highly recommend getting one with the welded on top rail, it'll really be much more practical should you want to fit an optic or scope on it down the line.
If you want wideline handguards they should have that available, and the collapsing stock should be easy to find if you like those.
Stuff should be available in both black and classic green.
As stated, aluminum mags are cheap and plentiful, you can pick up 10 for really cheap.
There are also transparent plastic mags on the market.
>>29788248
For ~$1000 it's a pretty good rifle. It's pretty accurate and reliable, plus any essential replacement parts you need are cheap. People rag on some of the accessories for being expensive, but you can use modern ones no problem.
Delicious roller-delayed blowback.
The wood furniture ones are gorgeous.
>>29788385
This
At least besides /akg/, the AK generals (and not the stupid faggot fucking anime generals) don't have much cancer to speak of. Fucking tripfags ruin everything and deserve nothing less than death.
>>29788248
I'd say PTR's are good but they ruin brass without a deflector.
>>29789656
That magazine gives me a fucking hardon.
>>29789656
You can get it for less than $1000 actually.
It really is economical like that, and WAY better quality than Century CETME rifles. Hell, you can get the PTR-91 GI with the wooden CETME furniture if you want.
I've heard rumors that PTR have been looking at 9mm tooling, think we'll see MP5 clones some day?
>>29788248
The only reason I haven't bought one is because costs of ammo, and the fact it ruins brass.
>>29788633
>the action just feels superb to handle.
Stop talking about my dick Susan.
>>29789669
Take a chill pill.
>>29789673
Get a port buffer, it saves the brass from being dinged up on the receiver.
>>29789676
But seriously, feeling the charging-handle tow the bolt carrier, as it rotates the bolt, it sounds and feels like sex.
I love the Garand, M14, M1 and Mini-14 for that.
I didn't read the thread, so sorry if I'm rehashing a pre stated point.
>They shoot a tight group with good ammo.
>the triggers suck, but can be improved
>mags are fucking cheap
>accessories aren't.
>heavy. I wouldn't want to haul one around in the woods.
>>29788248
>tfw cant find cheap wood furniture anywhere cause its all been sold
Is the PTR-32 that uses AK mags any good?
>>29788248
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtx9g7BmOE
The PTR's fine and all, but for the same price (DSA voyager) you get lighter recoil and less flexing with a FAL
>>29789669
>That magazine gives me a fucking hardon.
It's the curves, man.
>>29789671
>You can get it for less than $1000 actually.
Which is why I approximated.
>with the wooden CETME furniture if you want.
It's actually G3A2 furniture; CETME furniture requires a little bit of modification to fit. I want some CETME Modelo E for mine.
>>29789733
https://www.cdnnsports.com/ptr91k-308-16-classic-park-wd.html
>>29789753
They substituted a 16" 91K with a muzzle brake for a real G3. No wonder there was more muzzle blast.
>>29789766
no just need the wood, I have the new GI version. Everyone seems to be sold out of the wood sets.
thanks though
This is OK, right guys?
>>29789897
>>29789897
how old is yours? I have a new production and the fluting lines are no where near that deep, they just look like black marks...
>>29789669
>the AK generals (and not the stupid faggot fucking anime generals) don't have much cancer to speak of
You could have said that before about six /akg/s ago. What has been proven since then is that anon is easily capable of being just as worthless and cancerous as a tripshit.
>>29789897
I'm pretty sure that's from the chamber being fluted to help make extraction easier. I don't think you can reload those. Otherwise its fine.
>>29789897
eh, it looks worse than it is.
>>29789897
Yep. CETMEs absolutely ravage brass.
>>29789897
It's fine.
>>29788248
They're good, but try to get a newer production one. Older ones still used surplus parts and led to things like the wrong size barrel pin used for the wrong trunnion.
>>29789921
>>29789926
>>29789949
>>29789940
>>29789954
It's really not OK. The one on the right was one of the first rounds I fired yesterday, the left was the last one. Which corresponded with heavy recoil and FTE. And the bolt gap going to zero.
>>29788248
Mechanically they are great weapons, priced fairly too.
They are a bit dated, so you arent going to have miles of rails to mount stuff on without buying some new furniture though.
>>29789692
Well it's more of the fact that it flutes the brass badly. I have a M1A and a Howa 1500 in .308.
>>29789663
Aren't those the Israeli kit ones?
>>29790057
well based on the lack of background info and what you provided
my prognosis is that its, fucked
>>29790573
Israelis used FALs; the wooden furniture comes on the G3A2, which IIRC was only used by West Germany and Portugal, though they made several hundred thousand.
>>29789736
It's probably ok, though keeping in mind that roller-delayed blowback is rather dirty, if you're gonna shoot a lot of Tula and Wolf, it'll get quite filthy.
>>29789897
dont bother with brass case in a PTR/HK91, you will never be able to reload it. It was designed for steelcase, and that is all you should shoot because its halfprice.
>>29790057
make sure your PTR doesnt have the recalled serial# range. Think it started with AW13xxx or something like that
>>29791949
Got any more info on this so I know what to look for when buying?
>>29792087
go check PTR's website.
>>29789671
I'd rather see them churn out some HK33's
Same great HK taste, none of the calories.
PTR = Master race.
>>29790895
We still use the G3, the one they gave me in basic was from 1967, still shot flawlessly.
>scratch marks on the stock
>guy who used it in the Colonial War killed at least 4 dindus with her
Ever had a gun that actually killed people, /k/?
>>29793068
They could make gold-plated HK33s and sell them for next to nothing if they started producing PTR-quality Mp5 clones.
>>29789671
I'd like to see the pistols in HK51 spec, a belt fed hk21and an HK33. A PTR91 with a brass deflector and better trigger.
I don't know if they can compete with the turkshit MP5's but they can certainly put out a true blue HK33 and PTR's already beat out the turkshit 16" G3's
>>29789897
>>29790057
How old is your rifle? What does the rollmark on the side of the mag well say, and what is the date on the bolt head?
>>29793118
Cool.
>>29793121
There is turk competition in the MP5 game. The turk 5.56 guns aren't HK33's and have some incompatibilities.
That said a new major entrant with MP5's will bring the pricing waay down.
>>29793068
I want both a PTR94 (MP5) and a PTR33 (HK33).
Hell, I want a separate, short-barreled PTR53 (HK53) in .300BLK, with a NATO magwell and collapsing stock, because fuck the police
PTR is awesome. My only regret is that since I have the 16" barrel I can't get the bayonet adaptor for it. I don't even know why I care since I carry a buck 119 in the woods anyway
>>29793327
Have you thought about getting a longer flash hider?
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/4-Prong-Flash-Hider-For-HK-223-308-HK-s-121p490.htm
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Extended-4-Prong-Flash-Hider-US-121p501.htm
>I carry a buck 119
Good man.
>>29793321
so this?
>>29793202
>PTR's already beat out the turkshit 16" G3's
I think it helps that PTR is an established and trusted brand name, how long have they been around, over a decade? They have a lot of goodwill with American shooters.
I think that if they put out a competitively enough priced MP5, they could make good business, not just on a good quality product, but a lot of people don't want to buy Turkish for political reasons, something they could play up, maybe like "PTR: 100% American"
>>29793432
Yes, but not in desert meme colors, black/gray and/or OD, or bust.
>>29793327
Get a custom bayonet made?
>>29792087
Just buy a new production one. Preferably one with the paddle release.
>>29793327
Bayonets are over-rated any way. They're very situational and combined with the extra length on the rifle it makes it not worth it.
Outside a SHTF scenario, there's really no reason to have bayonet unless you are into the aesthetic or just want to add a level of customization to your gun.
>>29793681
But I want to skewer some kebabs
I've got about 500 rounds through mine so far and it's been awesome.
>>29793681
>Outside a SHTF scenario
That is the exact time to ditch the bayonet, though.
>>29794087
How accurate has yours been? Mine does 2-3MOA with the irons.
I love mine, wood stock on the way in the mail, I think I'll gat a utg claw mount but I don't know what scope to put on it yet
>>29794087
500 through mine as well
>250 rounds of Aguila without a hiccup
> Starts choking on ZQI
> Friends say gun sounds louder than usual
>Burrs on case rims
>Primers don't have dents in them, rings popping out around where the firing pin hit
>4MOA with 168Gr Federal gold medal
>Told this was normal when I called and that I should just clean it and use 150gr
I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and clean the shit out of it and try again, but I'm not impressed so far
>>29793118
What is the Alberto Barbarosa army like amon?
Probably not the best place to ask, but are there any companies like PTR or Springfield that make FAL clones? I want to have one clone (if not the originals) of each of the 3 battle rifles from the cold war, and its nice knowing that the G3 and M14 are covered but I'm curious about choices for decent FAL clones.
>>29794586
DSA
>>29794586
DS Arms, plus some smaller custom-build outfits like Arizona Response Systems and such. Coonan Arms also makes FAL receivers.
Coonan also makes FAL receivers.
PTR is a good rifle. CETME is also a good one. Some Century Arms ones have poor quality control. HK91/G3 was at one time considered one of the best battle rifles. If you need an auto loader that can hit at 400 yards or more,this can do it. Welded rail on top and paddle magazine release is better, and you will want a scope for this rifle.
>>29794760
>>29794804
Thanks
>>29794804
Coonan made the only acceptable FAiL receivers, and only did them in limited runs. Fuckers are expensive as fuck now.
>>29794851
>cast receiver
>acceptable
DSA is the only one still making forged receivers now. Now if they'll only sell them to us civilians again.
>>29788361
>don't have the features of other guns
I didn't realize that modern firearms came with remote keyless entry, XM satellite radio, and air conditioning
>>29794933
the coonan receivers are the only ones that didnt need modification out-of-box to work correctly, and I have yet to hear of one breaking.
fuck your DSA bullshit, and ur raifu ashit.
Any optics suggestions for under $400? I'm currently thinking about buying an Aimpoint Patrol red dot and using that.
I'm told PTR-91s have a tendency to shake cheaper optics off zero.
>>29795230
Anon had put a Lucid P7 4x prismatic on his SCAR 17S and it had held up to 500 rounds at last report.
>>29788248
It is, but it's also very long for what it is. I have a PTR-91KF with a 16" barrel, and it has the same overall length as my 20" barreled AR-15.
>>29793244
>>29793456
Are the turkshit MP5s actually good? I don't want to give my money to kebabs, but the possibility of having a civi-legal MP5 is too tempting. I just can't decide between the full-length and the K version.
Somehow this kind of thread are a lot better than battle rifle general trap circle jerks.
SBR HKs become a meme when?
>>29796209
I've yet to hear anything negative about them, but again they've only just arrived. I wouldn't buy Turkshit, ever, but that's not to say they're not good firearms.
>>29794517
It's a volunteer force, so it's adequately stocked with, uh, unusual characters.
Training is focused on counter-insurgency, off what we learned fucking up the dindus in Africa.
Reliable soldiers, good NCO's, mostly french-tier shit officers.
Half of our equipment is modern (mostly German made stuff), other half is Colonial War surplus.
Training is, I'd say, better than regular US Army, not as good as USMC.
>ahh, lifting logs in the mud with the lads, the memories
Special forces (Commandos and Rangers) are well trained, well equipped and absolute nutjobs, kill you with a fucking spoon types, with combat experience (Afghanistan mostly).
Berets, berets everywhere
Also G3 my raiflu, 5.56 a shit.
>>29796295
nigga pls
Cali legal
>>29796310
I actually bought a Sar K2 when they were first being imported a few years ago, so the turkshit ship has already sailed for me. I want something I can SBR and suppress before the new trust rules go into effect.
>>29796570
Looks like deleted content from Fallout 4.
>>29796684
Don't give them any ideas.
This one's mine.
>>29796889
G3 leather sling gives the rifle even more character. Highly recommended for everyone, costs only 5 or 10 bucks depending if it's used or unissued.
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ptr-91-a3s-308-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0
is this something I should be looking at?
![HK417_Prototype[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gEzX7GP.jpg "HK417_Prototype[1].jpg")
Would you a HK417 that takes G3 mags?
>>29794250
Roller-delayed blowback IS a violent action.
>>29796000
A G3 has different recoil compared to a Scar, that doesn't quite tell him much.
>>29797922
Nah, short-stroke pistons on ARs are dumb, and the HK417 is expensive anyway.
>>29788248
I want to say yes but the actual grip is completely shit.
>>29798434
THE FACTORY NON CONTOUR GRIP IS SO SHIT IT BLEW MY MIND AS SOMEONE WHO APPRECIATED THEG3 FROM HABING AIRSHIT 1. GOT NEW GRIP RIFLE MUCH BETTER
>>29796295
That reminds me of that horrible blocky bullpup build someone did out of their HK91
>>29796570
Put a bullet button or a Kydex grip cover on a regular PTR and it's Cali legal.
>>29798427
>Nah, short-stroke pistons on ARs are dumb
>>29798942
They are.
You want a short-stroke piston, get a rifle made for it, like a modern AR-18 derivative.
Putting a short-stroke piston in an AR-15 is a silly meme, there's no reason for it.
>>29789663
May i request the source on that?
>>29799002
>You want a short-stroke piston, get a rifle made for it, like a modern AR-18 derivative.
Daewoo masterrace reporting in.
>>29799624
Fugly lower.
>>29799002
It's fine if engineered properly like the HK series of rifles. The piston conversion AR-15s are the ones that have problems
>>29799756
Daewoo is long-stroke.
Also considerably better made than most average piston ARs.
>>29801093
It works with the right effort, but the HK416 and HK417 would be just as good with a normal AR-15 gas system, but cheaper and lighter.
The benefits of modifying an AR for a short-stroke piston are questionable at best.
>>29793422
you think that would work? I emailed PTR and they said the adapter wouldn't work, but they didn't reccomend anything else.
>>29793483
when I get a custom knife made, it'll be a bowie
>>29793681
in my head I know that what you're saying is true, but in my heart.....
>>29799624
This seems somehow familiar.
>>29801170
>they said the adapter wouldn't work
Not sure why they think the adapter socket wouldn't work. Your cocking tube and triple-frame should be exactly the same as mine; your barrel's just ~2" shorter. Add that length back with a longer flash hider to support the bayonet's muzzle ring and you should be able to mount it.
>>29801288
hmm, curiouser and curiouser. well dubs don't lie, I'll have to try it when I get back to the states.
>>29788390
Fucking sakuya.
I don't have much disdain for tripfags, but I really hate the guy.
He tried to find out the address of the /mu/fag with the huge inheritance, and shits up every thread he goes in.
I wouldn't doubt he has a genuine mental illness.
This seems way lower than any other price I've seen. Is there a catch?
> http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411550830/PTR+INC+PTR91+GI+.308+18%22+Special+Edition+wGreen+Furniture
Normally PTRs seem to be priced between 900 and 1200 depending on the package. Is this a stripped-down model, or does it just lack the fancy gubbins?
Are the Spanish CETMEs any good, quality wise? Apex is selling kits for like a couple hundred, and that's tempting... but I've handled a couple Spanish Mausers and was not super impressed.
>>29793681
I have a bayonet for every gun I own that can take one
>>29801816
>Is there a catch?
Bud's is trying to clear out their old inventory of PTR GIs; this means no paddle release, the polymer lower, no 1913 rail, and HK threads on the muzzle.
>>29801830
They're fine; even Century can get them right half the time.
>>29802144
The paddle release is a nonissue for me.
The poly lower - that's something that can hypothetically be replaced with a parts kit, right? Like, if I hate it I can always fix it later.
The rail I'm not overly concerned about - this is just a fungun, and I really like the irons on the G3. If I want to do long-range shooting I have other options.
The HK threads are likewise a nonissue.
Basically, it seems like for my needs that's actually a pretty solid investment.
>>29802336
I would go to hkparts.net and figure out your costs to fit what parts you want on to it.
I've looked at the GI vs FR versions and I'm deciding that im just going to buy the tricked out model instead of going basic.
>>29802336
Also the welded top rail does not interfere with the irons
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>>29802394
Can the rail be added to the GI model after the fact, or does it lack entirely the ability to accept it? I don't mind the gun not coming standard with the rail, but it would be cool to be able to upgrade later, and I don't want to save a hundred dollars just to find out later that I need to spend several hundred to do what I was going to do anyway.
>>29802607
You could weld one on yourself but it's kind of risky. You can also just buy detachable rails.
Anyone have any experience with the LuxDefTech HSG41?
https://www.arms24.com/LuxDefTec+HSG-41+Match.html
>>29788385
I agree I hate all generals with the exception of the military enlistment general because I remember there being 5 threads at a time of kids asking about military enlistment at all times. Other than that generals completely ruin boards and i fucking hate them, /g/ has it the worst
>>29802702
I looked around, and honestly the claw mount with rail looks pretty appealing. Is it as easy to mount as it looks, or what?
I'm hesitating to get a PTR because I've heard it's picky with ammo, like it won't cycle lighter loads. Is this true? I have heard it's true of all roller delayed blowback guns, which makes me sad because they are fuckin cool guns. I want an MP5 clone too.
Are there any loads they can't cycle across the board?
>>29803604
No, that's bullshit.
>>29803604
That may be an issue with PTRs made many years ago but has not been a problem for a long time. For a brief time, PTR experimented with using shallower flutes which did cause a few issues, but they went back to the normal HK spec once they realized what happened.
>>29801830
The Century ones can be really shoddy.
>>29802607
No, they're welded on.
If you order from PTR I'm sure you could ask them to weld on a top rail for you.
>>29803322
It works, pretty well even, but keep in mind it costs more, that it weighs more (and these rifles are already pretty heavy), and they're a LOT taller.
If you really want one, go for it, but it is the less practical option.
