First there was the 1887
then the Adler a110
then the Pardus
a couple of days ago the Uzkon
now there is Alpharms
https://www.cleaverfirearms.com/Products.aspx…
what the actual fuck turkey, they are cramming all these lever actions down the Australian throats
Australia is like an alternate reality now, where lever actions became dominant over pump actions
well there is a few snazzy pump action rifles being released this year.
Dont forget the IAC, and the Marlin 336 .410.
brings the total to 7.
>>29754661
the IAC I'd just call the 1887
and yes technically the marlin is, although there are a few .410 lever shotguns
bumping.
thank you based Turkey
forever our friend
>>29754643
How about you post the link again without fucking it up, fucking Ausposter. Even when I do fix it, it's their main page, not a link to these shotguns
>>29754643
How can I et one of these in the United States?
>>29754643
Wouldn't mind seeing the quality of the Alpha LX20. Ordered an A110 and wonder how it stacks up. Who knows, might buy both of them.
>>29754811
Adler Arms Canada is a thing on Facebook, maybe hit them up and see if they'll send one down.
Top kek
>>29754932
savage
I want some /k/unt in Oz to make one locally, then we could christen it the:
Hand Operated Wonderfully Austrayan Repeating Device.
>Just so that useless little arsewipe would feel the burn every time one was
I kinda like the addler for what it is: a modern lever action shotgun. Sure I could get an 1887 clone, but that's just a clone and chink shit. This looks a hell lot better than 1887 clones fo shaw. I wonder how to get one in the US
>>29755000
nice trips, and yeah, Facebook 'Adler Arms Canada' and see if they'll send you one.
>>29754981
Back in the day, Lithgow was actually going to make an 1887 clone, bt didnt go ahead with it.
my slavshit SxS is taking too long to come back from repair, so decided to get one of these turkish semi auto rapid fire death machines instead. Gonna put a 10 round tube on it, I can already hear lefties crying. 28th tomorrow lads, brace yourselves.
Reminder that the higher capacity a tube mag shotgun is, the less concealable and thus safer the weapon becomes.
>>29755507
Cutdown shotguns are too short and scary evil.
Fucklong magtube shotguns are too long and scary evil.
>yep, antigunz are Goldilocks-level fucktards
Anybody heard about the reliability of these shotguns? I was thinking about getting one of the shitty chinese clones and fixing it up but these look Pretty good.
>>29755572
Too soon to tell I think. I've heard some stuff about fore end cracks and jamming but that was on facebook.
Noice.
>Muh gnasher
>>29754932
brutal af
>>29754932
Semiauto handguns nothing to do with Pt.Arthur.
Time to ban them.
So, this just proves they have a timetable to eventually ban everything one after the other.
>would anal rape her with a barbedwire baseball bat, not a gun. Ban that.
>Google adler a110
>First result is Adler affordable tank rentals
>MFW 3 days in an M1 Abrams
>>29755596
>jamming
Whenever I hear about levers jamming, I assume it's some softcock not working the lever like he means it
>>29755684
>going after handfuns
it's not like they've been heavily regulated for nearly a century or anything
maybe the rumours about lefties having half their brains missing are true after all
>>29755704
I only just noticed the stock is simultaneously collapsed and extended in that gif.
>>29755760
Two stocks.
>>29755779
>>29755760
>Gee Bill!
>>29755709
It's not a rumor.
being scared of inanimate objects makes you mentally ill. believing in concepts and ideology not grounded in evidence or facts makes you mentally ill.
the authoritarian-left is mentally ill.
>>29755822
understandable when you've had the entire logic and reasoning portion of your brain lopped off
>>29754643
That link isn't working for me. What is the shotgun called?
>>29754643
The Turks are really in the business of making shotguns, that's a thing they do, and they've gotten reasonably good at it, particularly economy models.
I'm surpeised it took them this long to start cranking out lever shotguns for export to Australia.
>>29755000
The 1887, even the Chinese ones, aren't too shabby, inherently, but they're from another era of shotgunning, and it shows.
You can make them for smokeless and that'll work, but the original design (which the China guns are built after), choke like fuck on anything that isn't brass cased, so steel or aluminum case is out (and don't even consider full plastic shells).
If you're willing to put up with somewhat higher ammo costs, they work fine.
Of course, these new fangled Adler levergats are much more practical, and well made, but still.
I imagine the 1887s will start to creep down in price once all these new ones get a foothold on the market
>>29754811
Submit 14,000 emails to Rugee about it.
>>29755507
So what you're saying is we should launch a line of shotguns that are pump or lever action versions of the Cosmi, Spencer carbine, Browning SA-22 and KSG. All made to feed Mini-shells.
>>29755760
Nah man your shoulder goes between them for superior comfort and control. User adjustable for proper shoulder clamping pressure
>>29758230
I would pay for a spencer 12 gauge, and I'm not even Australian.
>>29758274
If I were a millionaire I would sing all of my money into future tech and new production defunct firearms built for the closest available current ammunition. Spiral magazines, folding shotguns and .45acp volcanic pistols out the wazoo.
I would not doing go out of business but fuck it. UNLESS I could crank out some lugers and 50s-80s carbines
>>29754932
People miss this basic concept:
>policies work a priori
>laws work a posteriori
If you make semi-auto illegal the only effect you obtain is
>law-abiding citizens don't buy them
>criminals, at best, will get higher penalties when caught
You don't stop crime by banning guns. You just increase the fines.
Instead, it is only by means of policies that you achieve social goals:
>gun education
>gun handling
>crime prevention
>better welfare (no free fish: teach people how to fish instead)
So I fucking hate these politicians when they wake up with a smile on their face:
>Every morning is a good morning if I ban something to please this or that lobby
>there is nothing better in the afternoon than the sound of things being banned
>in the evening, I update my CV with the list of things I managed to ban. Ain't I powerful?
>>29759122
I would make a double stacked gas operated toggle locked pistol.
>>29755037
lol what broke on a double that you couldn't have just ordered a small part instead of sending the whole gun out?
>>29756202
Isn't it a chamber problem that you can hone out?
>>29754643
someone really needs to make a DL12
(double barreled lever 12)
so who is selling you bogans shotguns? the turks? arent they budget guns at a premium aus price?
>>29761389
They are budget as fuck in Australia too which is nice. Like $800 for a 5 shot 12g lever.
>>29761389
they are all coming in at about $900aud which is about $600usd
seeming the most budget double barrel I would consider is $1000 they are pretty cheap
>>29761409
>almost a grand is budget
You can't get those cheap 1887 clones? They're around $300 here.
>>29761409
you cheeky cunts have the turk escort brand? theyre cheap but cheaply made too. bad metals usually
>>29761389
and yeah, literally every company is turkish, besides the chiappa 1887's which are italian
>>29761432
>being THIS poor
Anything under 1k is budget as fuck in Australia.
Thoughts on the akkar 3 triple barrel shotgun?
Turkish as well but looks baller as fuck. Only problem is it's 2k~.
>>29759214
Most illegal guns in circulation are stolen legal guns. If people cant buy semi autos, then other people cant steal them. This is why there are 250,000 illegal rifles in Oz, but only 10,000 illegal pistols
>>29761446
Closest to a semi auto Aussies will get.
>>29761472
>Most illegal guns in circulation are stolen legal guns.
can't tell if satire or not
I think the issue is that Americans don't understand that Australians are much better shots then they are. When we do a spree shooting we really make it count. Compare Martin Bryant and James Holmes, a Australian moving around a national park managed to kill nearly 3 times as many as an American shooting into a crowded theatre. This is why Australia needed to get rid of Semi auto, theyre skilled enough that it actually makes a difference.
>>29761500
Its not satire, bikies to steal from farmers who always have registered guns. We dont have shittycountries like mexico next to us so there is no inflow of unregistered firearms
>>29761529
Don't forget about the israeli soldier in 1997 who went crazy and opened fire in a crowded palestinian market place using the same weapon as martin bryant, colt ar15. Yet he only injured 7 people, no deaths. And that was a trained soldier.
>>29761545
If possible source that claim please. Because 99% of firearms used in crime are illegal imports or unregistered firearms from before 1996.
And you know we have boats carrying illegal shit coming in 24/7 right?
>>29761578
Mostly legal guns that have become illegal
>>29761612
legal that have become illegal? so you just mean illegal guns right?
>>29761612
WHAT? YOU MEAN GUNS DON'T JUST DISAPPEAR WHEN YOU MAKE THEM ILLEGAL?
>>29761627
By that logic every gun is an illegal gun. Point is imported firearms are a tny fraction. Even if all the unkown are imported its still only a third. Therefore, by keeping legal semi autos out of the country, we keep them out of the hands of criminals.
>>29761653
There we go, someone stupid enough to actually believe the politician bullshit, in the thread.
>>29761612
Are these guns ones that have been actually used in the commission of a crime, or is it overall seizures including ones that haven't been used to commit a crime (besides possession)?
>>29754643
Lads.
>>29761559
>>29761653
You can't keep something out of the country that is already in the country. And what do you mean every gun is an illegal gun? An illegal gun is an unregistered gun, it's that simple.
>>29761678
They are just seizures, not used in crime. only about 1% of stolen legal guns are used in crime.
>>29755709
The 1887s especially the IAC ones do jam. They typically suffer a failure to eject, doesnt matter how hard you work the fuckers they jam. Though they do jam more if you pussyfoot around with then.
>>29761691
No, you cant keep them out of the country once theyre in the country, but by not bringing any in, and relying on the degrading influence of time, this means eventually you will have less of them. Dont get me wrong, i like the idea of guns, i dont understand why i need a permit for an air rifle, but check the wikipedia page for mass shooting in Australia, we had a huge amount before 97, and the Monash Uni shooting after. The gun buy back made an indisputable difference to the amount of mass shootings. I know someone is going to bring up home invasions and other violent crimes increasing, and thats fine, im not trying to argue against this.
>>29761672
Lokk everybody, a fuckwit who has done no research
Blanket statement, most people dont care if people get shot, as long as the news report finishes with, "the victim was known to police/the perpetrator"
>>29761472
I saw figures of 20000 illicit handguns.
And handguns have been registered or banned nation wide since around 1920.
As we all know plenty of people poat 1996 in the States where there wasnt any rego decided not to hand their guns in, which is why there are at least a few hundred thousand unregistered longarms out there.
Moral of the story is that registration only makes confiscation more effective but doesnt do a whole heap else.
Never register your guns my burger friends its always a trap.
>>29761742
Mass shootings are a meme and generally a result of media over exposure and thus copycats from mentally unwell individuals.
Take for instance New Zeland. They have far more lax laws than australia. Semi autos readily available, no need to register long arms, suppressors readily available.
And yet they haven't had a mass shooting since 1997. How is that explained when guns = mass shootings?
>>29761776
How do you explain the massive drop in random mass shootings then? Theres only been 1 after '97
>>29761784
Because they have one sixth of the population. What is really needed is a measure of mass shooting per pe
>>29761803
This paper should help you.
http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/Mass_shootings.pdf
"The hypothesis that Australia’s prohibition of certain types of firearms explains the absence of mass shootings in that country since 1996 does not appear to be supported."
"This finding cannot be readily explained by differences in population size or pre-existing differences in the occurrence of mass shootings between the two countries – both of which were controlled for during the analyses"
>>29754643
>5 gun in the market
I cant wait for the genocide massacare that will happen now
1 box of bullets can quarantine a village/town.
Who will be the new kings? 5 of them will rule peacefully together?
>>29761852
That paper is stupid. Examining mass shooting between 1980 and 2009, is the worst way of doing it. Australia had 4 public mass shootings before the end of 96 and 0 after, New Zealand had 1 before and 1 after
>>29755600
Fuuuuck you now I want one, then mail it off for chrome plating
>>29761939
Australia didn't have 0 after. And New Zealand didn't have just 1 before.
New Zealand also had 0 after following the FBI and US definition.
And is the paper stupid just because it doesn't match your opinion?
>>29754643
This is a slippery slope, first they'll be buying lever action shotguns,next it's gonna be manpads. Someone think of the children!!
You don't need a shoulder fired 120mm to hunt dingos
>>29762021
The paper is stupid because its talking about an event in time, but presents no stats comparing before or after that time. I should have specified that i was referring to public shootings,which is what people care about, and according to the paper, aus was four before and zero after, nz was one before and one after.
>>29762050
Following US definition of a mass public shooting New Zealand has none after.
Not following US definition of a mass public shooting, Australia has 1 after.
If you try to say New Zealand has a mass shooting then so does Australia. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.
And it's quite obvious the paper is comparing over a time frame as well. So I don't know where you are getting this single event thing from.
>>29762108
Im following the stats in the paper you quoted. My issue is, if there is an event in 1996 you want to discuss, you should not take averages over 1980-2009, based on that logic i could take averages of shootings from 0 BC to 2016, and find thaon average they occur every fifty years or something
>>29762043
What if theyre covered in ablative baby armour?
>>29754643
Glad the Australian market is expanding. Hopefully you guys at least get your pump actions back some day.
>>29762145
If the plan is to see whether gun restrictions were effective you need a time frame around the introduction of the gun restrictions. I don't see what your problem with that is. They are comparing Australia with tough gun restrictions to New Zealand without tough gun restrictions. Doing it this way they can do an average on the whole timespan and compare it to New Zealand and see if there was really any impact. And the answer is there was not.
>>29761792
There wasn't that many before ether your rate of mass murders has stayed the same.
>>29762236
>They are comparing Australia with tough gun restrictions to New Zealand without tough gun restrictions. Doing it this way they can do an average on the whole timespan and compare it to New Zealand and see if there was really any impact.
But that doesnt make sense. For instance, if before we had a lot of shootings (we did), and after we had few shooting (we do), the average over the time period is not going to show that. do you understand what an average is. If you want to examine the effect of an event in time, you need to compare the average before and after the event, not the average over a time period when the event occurred. I hope at some point youre going to tell me you were just pretending to be retarded, because i hate to think the the education system managed to fail someone so bad.
i drew you a picture
>>29762370
there was 6 non-family related (according to wikipedia) in 10 years, Martin Bryant, Julian Knight, were both between '87 and '97
>>29762404
And yet new zealand also had a number of shootings before then none after. And the point is to compare to new zealand and see whether our strict controls were effective. Evidently they were not.
>>29762432
Why did you mention that paper if you weren't going to take stats from it?
>>29762482
1997 is New Zealands effective Port Arthur event and it is used for their before and afters as 1996 is used for Australia's. If you even bothered to read the abstract you'd maybe understand.
>>29762427
And you had 7 in the 10 years before that, there was no change most of you mass murders are still family related.
>>29761803
so, swap out New Zealand for Canada and your argument is invalid
>>29754932
Top Bantz
>>29762404
ultra quick because you're a fucking idiot
red is roughly how our gun crime looks
the blue lines are what you are trying to state
we are not talking sheer average, we are talking the decline of homicides has not changed no matter what the NFA did, the only spike is PA itself in 1996
>>29762510
>Abstract
The development of legislation aimed at reducing the incidence of firearm
-related
death is an
ongoing interest within the spheres of criminology, public policy, and criminal
justice.
Although a
body of research has examined the impacts of significant epochs of
regulatory reform upon firearm
-related
suicides and homicides
in countries like Australia,
where strict nationwide firearms regulations were introduced in 1996, relatively little
research has considered the occurrence of a specific type of homicide: mass shooting events.
The current paper examines the incidence of mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand
(a
country that is socioeconomically similar to Australia, but with a different approach to
firearms regulation) over a 30 year period. It does not find support for the hypothesis that
Australia
’s
prohibition of certain types of firearms
has prevented mass shootings, with New
Zealand not experiencing a mass shooting since 1997 despite the availability in that country
of firearms banned in Australia. The
se findings are discussed in the context of social and
economic trends
.
'97 can't be called New Zealands Port Arthur because there was no introduction of firearms laws after that shooting. We see a change in the number of shootings in Australia after Port Arthur, which coincides with the introduction of gun buybacks. We see a spike in New Zealand shooting in the 90's and no laws introduced, but the spike ended anyway. Maybe the 1980-1996 period in Australia was also a spike. I think the problem is here:
Mass murder in Australia is a rare event, with a l
ow baseline level
. Consequently,
mass shootings have historically represented a
n even rarer event, making statistical analysis
extremely challenging
.
>>29762675
Glad you've seen the light. Join us in campaigning for NZ style laws.
>>29762655
look, I made a version that took me 30 seconds
basically you are trying to describe the purple lines and using them to state that the NFA caused gun crime to drop
the red line is gun crime
for added affect the orange line is knife crime
I spend waaaay too much of my time obsessing about australias crime rates so dont tell me I'm wrong because I didnt mention a source or something
oh wait...that's freely available at the Australian Institute of Criminology
>>29762737
hey look, here's what the AIC have to say
and before you say "but duur knife crime is not going up at the same rate"
no shit... the general homicide rate is dropping, but it was in no way affected by 1996 itself
>>29762737
I didn't say shit about gun crime, im talking only about mass public shootings. also my graph was trying to say anything about specific stats, but show the the effect averaging something over time can have related to how you pick your start and end times
What was martin bryants motive even? Never figured that out.
Such a suspicious story.
>>29762823
Lol, you really think there's a motive for shooting 35 people beyond being crazy.
>>29761472
>>29761545
OK, I'm respond to this bait so others who may be similarly mis-informed do not take what this dickhead is spouting as fact.
Reference the parliamentary inquiry headed by Greens Party Senator, Penny Wright. The facts bought to the table by the ABS/AIC found that 0.05% of all illegal handguns used in crime were sourced from licenced firearm owners. The main source of all illegal handguns used in crime were due to black market dealers making profiting via Australia's porous borders.
When the hell can us in the US get the Adler?
>>29762851
Then why wasn't he found insane?
>>29762883
Do you expect people not to notice that you're only talking about handguns, also >>29761612 is from that report and tells a very different story
>>29762935
There's a very large difference between used in crime and seized. Many people still have unregistered firearms in their house and many gangs and bikies clubs will have guns in their clubhouses, the guns may never be used but if the police come they will be seized.
Actively using a gun in crime is a different matter all together and 9 times out of 10 they use a pistol. Pistols have been heavily regulated since the 1920s.
>>29762893
I doubt there's much of a market in the US for $800 lever shotties.
>>29762785
>Mass public shootings.
Why do you want mass public bombings????
>>29762899
Because Port Arthur was a false flag.
>>29763070
As long as they don't die by a firearm then its okay
>>29761545
Bikies make their own submachineguns, and there's no shortage of illegal arms being brought in, it's a giant island, can't even keep the boat people out.
Illegal arms are available from Thailand, and subsequently, whoever happens to be supplying the Thai territories with illegal arms at the moment.
You don't have to share a border with a shitty country to get their trash.
>>29761612
>make class of weapons restricted or illegal
>people who had them completely legally now got buttfucked by the law at no fault of their own
>mountains of guns that used to be completely legal are now illegal and moving around in the black markets
OOPS
O
P
S
>>29761653
>what is a Luty
>what are a couple of 100 000 SKS rifles the authorities know exist in the country but don't know where
>what is the unhindered flow of contraband streaming in from the underworld of the asian seas
>>29761710
The 1887 should work fine with brass case.
Again, steel, aluminum or plastic cased shells will not cycle properly in an 1887
>>29755709
>maybe the rumours about lefties having half their brains missing are true after all
Why'dya think they're called lefties? Only have the left side of their brain. Likewise with the righties, you kinda want to have both halves of your brain if you can help it.
>>29761792
>one year has no horrible huge massacre
>next year had a horrible mass murder where lots of people died
>following year didn't have a horrible mass shooting like that
>OMG GUYS LOOK, IT WORKED, ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS TO CHANGE THE LAW
You fell for the media's memes.
>>29762823
Sub 66 iq
>>29761446
My mate has one in full realtree.
It's alright, I'm not a shotgun person myself but I can't argue with being able to shoot three slugs in less than two seconds, reloading and repeating in less than five.
>>29761792
From 1976 to port arthur there was 13 mass killings in Australia and from port arthur to now discounting monash uni (only 2 deaths) there have been 10 mass killings.
>>29762823
He was a literal retard with some mental complexes. He only revealed his motives to his psych on the condition that it would be kept a secret, so nobody knows what he was thinking or his reasoning.
Others have said that he was a patsy and that it was a false flag by the Aussie gov't, and to be 100% honest, I could see it. I'm not set in stone and think this is the definite truth, but I wouldn't put it past them to do that, and there's a few things that speak in favor of that.
>>29762899
I thought he was?
>>29762999
If it's cool, it works, and can be imported, it has a market in the US. Especially given that some people really like lever-actions.
It might not get the Mossberg/Remington marketshare, but I have no doubts the gun would sell.
Why are pumps illegal but levers ok?
>>29766315
Because niggers don't rap about levers.
>>29766315
It's basically all just about how often they appear in films.
Same reason they banned suppressors and the colour black.
>>29761436
yeah they're dogshit bud
>>29761472
Phillip Alpers pls go
"dumped with the pump" from bodycounts " talk shit get shot"
>>29766378
There's no logical reason to ban suppressors... They're sold to everyone with or without a firearms license in Norway.
>>29766315
Pump action rifles are legal.
Pump action shotguns are (basically) banned
But other manually repeating shotguns are not banned.
Wrap your head around THAT logic.
>>29766596
Most Euro countries don't restrict them for people who already have a license.
Hell, even the UK allows them, and they basically banned handguns.
>mfw Australia's retarded inconsistant gun laws single handedly bring glorious modern lever action shotguns to the rest of the world
Anyway what do you guys reckon will be the best of all these new lever shotguns? Im actually really fucking sick of seeing the Adler allover the place, so i wont be getting one of them. The pardus looks great, and i was set on a 20 inch wallnut from them, but after seeing more pics of the Uzkon im starting to like that more. The lever on the Uzkon looks way better, the way it works the action from the front rather than pulling it from behind with a flimsy looking linkage. And now this alpharms thing is coming out too, which looks great overall but the lever looks the worst out of them all
>>29767074
>bring glorious modern lever action shotguns to the rest of the world
when one door closes another opens
