What does /k/ think about the Thompson?
1928 is objectively the sexiest gun ever made by humans.
I jerk off to it daily.
>>29753770
It's heavy as FUCK. Besides that, it's a neat design that works alright.
Good as an early sub machinegun
Shit during WWII and any time after.
Go ahead and pick one up sometime. They're absurdly heavy for their size, and despite the weight they recoil quite a lot compared to other .45 ACP subguns and PCCs.
i think it is one of the most perfect submachine guns
>>29753821
lol pussy, do you wear a dress when you shoot?
>>29753796
>>29753806
>>29753827
>>29753836
>weights more than loaded FAL,
>not even a sixth of the muzzle energy
No u
>>29753770
Got a chance to shoot one with the drum mag a few years ago.
It feels like a weedeater.
You could comfortably shoot it with just your right hand, but there's no accuracy.
Add in the fore grip, it's more calm and controlled, but the added vibration of using your left arm to aim makes your arm tremble for a good hour or two.
>>29753770
Would've been better in 9mm.
>>29753770
its heavy as shit and the stock is uncomfortable
>>29753860
>"Apples are better than oranges"
That is how dumb you sound.
>>29753921
That can pretty much be said of anything old. I wouldn't hold it against it.
>>29753968
Good thing we don't have to settle for old shit, then. His points are still valid.
>>29753770
The fact that the FBI investigated making a 10mm version makes my dick diamonds.
>>29753836
>legitimate complaint which contributed to phasing out the gun
>hurr durr pussy
Nigger, the thing weighs more than my ranch rifle (SU-16) and competition gun (AR-15 build) combined. It weighs more than a lot of infantry rifles of even WWII.
Probably one of the least ergonomic firearms ever.
Stock somehow manages to be the least comfortable I have ever held ( and I've held some pretty ghetto electrical taped rifles before ) . Sights may as well not exist. Magazine release is goofy as hell.
However it is a very pretty firearm and a good piece of history
>>29753770
> costs 150 bucks to produce in WW2
> a 1919 costs 50 bucks to produce
> the government still buys thompsons
it took them several YEARS to get a fucking replacement for this thing
>>29753770
Probably the coolest and most iconic SMG ever made.
That said by the time of WWII it was obsolete and needlessly heavy since it had been designed for WWI.
![21962118-Fedora-hat-and-a-Thompson-gun-for-a-retro-party-isolated-on-white-background-Stock-Vector[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/soJJ7ph.jpg "21962118-Fedora-hat-and-a-Thompson-gun-for-a-retro-party-isolated-on-white-background-Stock-Vector[1].jpg")
>>29753948
More like
>sweet apples are better than bitter apples
But I won't stop you if you want a thompson to match your fedora
>>29754068
Its its defence, the 1918 BAR was outdated aswell
>>29753995
I want to fingerbang Thompson.
>>29753990
>10mm Thompson
>10mm at 800-1200 rounds per minute
mfw
>>29754108
Yeah, so were all the bolt actions rifles if we're being honest.
>>29753990
Investigated? I thought they actually built the thing and test fired it at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Shit magwell
Shit ergonomics
Shit weight
Heavy rounds
Most WW2 SMGs were too heavy though, but the Thompson and Suomi took the cake.
Hungarian 43M which was the length of a normal rifle was lighter and fired a more powerful 9x25 Mauser.
Italians had a very hot load for their SMGs which were also much lighter guns than the Thompson
PPS-43 was a clearly improved PPSH and is easily a better firearm.
M1/M2 Carbine was lighter than all those guns, fired a better round and was accurate.
Perfect combination of recoil/light weight.
All WW2 SMGs were shit compared to the Carbine.
>>29754150
>implying the Carcano didn't have another ~25 years of service life left
Get a load of this guy.
>>29754165
>no mention of the perfect subgun, the Sten.
Avoiding it does not make it go away.
>>29754177
It's cheap, that's it.
It wasn't lighter than the PPS-43
Same weight as the Italian SMGs.
It had a shorter barrel than both
Side mag is more clumsy than the advantage it brings in prone situations.
It's still shitter than the Carbine in every way except cost.
Only Britain was that poor.
>>29754177
>sten
>perfect sub machine gun
It's slapped together from bicycle parts and practically has no barrel. It is a good bullet hose though.
>>29754177
>Not the Suomi
>>29754203
Suomis are well made but still heavy as fuck.
>>29754203
LITERALLY 43 lbs.
Inb4 Wikipedia only says it's 16 lbs, that's false information it was 43 lbs.
PPS-43, Hung 39/43M and the M1938 were all better.
39/43M suffered from low ammo availability though.
And most people count the M2 Carbine as a SMG, even though the .30 was originally designed as a light rifle cartridge.
>>29754177
Not even the best of the el cheapo SMGs.
>>29754005
>the thing weighs more than my ranch rifle (SU-16) and competition gun (AR-15 build) combined.
Your SU-16 and AR-15 are made of plastic and aluminum, so it's hardly surprising that the forged and milled steel Thompson weighs more.
>>29754005
that's the weight of pure unadulterated freedom.
>>29754252
Shorter barrel than the M2
Shorter length
Weaker round
Still 2.5kg heavier than the Carbine.
And the M2 Carbine action was strong enough to take on .308 as there is at least one post-ww2 reproduction in that calibre.
Basically a smaller Ruger.
>>29753770
Their sub gun
God teir.
Bliss principle doesn't work
here are their other guns(they were shit) being eyefucked by ian.
Thompson auto rifle(competed in pre garant semi auto trials.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27CZB-rNU-I
thompson t2 (competed against the dad of the greese gun)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9q5Xh69AM
Thompson was a one hit wonder.
>>29753770
Classic American gun of the prohibition era...but honestly by WW2 was showing it's age, and WW1 design.
I would have opted to have an M1 carbine or a grease gun.
>>29753821
>>29753836
For the weight I'd rather have a BAR, but if I just wanted a comact subgun, then a grease gun would be my choice.
All these limp wristed faggots complaining about the weight. Your grandaddies carried it with no problems and removed enemies with it like men they were.
Now grab your turboergo hi-speed gucci AR and go cry in the corner.
Thompson is a real mans firearm
>>29754354
Granddaddies who were like 135 lbs and grew up malnourished thanks to the great depression.
>no problems
My ass
Its a work of art. But having fired one (full auto), i pity all the soldiers that had to carry it for more than an hour.
The sten is an ugly piece of scrap metal but id pick it over the tommy gun to fight with.
But id love a 1928 in muh collection.
>>29753770
It's so fucking gorgeous...
>>29753770
Heavier than an M1 Garand
Thompson for the win. All other guns are obsolete other than the AA12
>>29753770
You can fit a chopped one in a violin case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsq17oULRE8
If that ain't the tightest shit then you can get the fuck out of my face
>>29753995
Eggplant man is a twat but he sure got some things right.
Moar
>>29754364
And they still were stronger than your obese neckbeard ass
Crazy overrated.
>>29753770
- Heavy as shit
- Lenght of pull is extremely long
- Early models somewhat complex for a submachine gun
- wartime models are milled american freedom with parkerized finish
- .45 stronk!
- As good or bad as any other open bolt sub
>>29753770
heavy, but not too bad.
too high a fire rate. grandpappy always use to laugh remembering some recruit or new guy breaking his nose when mag dumping on full auto.
grease gun is my favorite..
>>29755645
Yeah, the lop is a little weird, especially considering that guys back then were smaller.
Still the most american subgun ever
Good enough to fuck up nazis!
And fuck all you fat neckbeard autists who dare to say anything about trigger discipline watching my picture. Thats Jacke McNiece, he dont need no fucking TD cause when the pic was taken, he was about going to town to get himself some nazi memorabilia from their owners.
>>29753770
Overrated. Pic related is the true queen of SMGs.
>>29753770
The only acceptable version.
>>29755727
Sploosh
>>29755727
>>29755727
>semi-auto
>ywn have a full-fun tommygun
>>29755706
Thats not a Carl Gustav M-45 aka Swedish K
>Grip could be better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAfqvscRAo
>>29753995
How does someone get the idea to anthropomorphize guns in the form of cartoon school girls/teachers? Genuinely curious.
>>29754252
It's also heavier than a loaded M1 Garand, M1/M2 Carbines, every other commercial SMG made at the time, and more.
Those are all made of forged steel and wood.
>>29758097
>tfw no swedish k
>only have shitty MK 760s and S&W M76s
>>29753770
All these manlets's gonna cry it's heavy.
>>29758358
>gun designed by manlets, for manlets
>during a time where a majority of people were manlets
Wanna get a auto ordnance one should I go m1 or m2
>>29753770
It's a piece of shit, but an iconic piece of shit
>>29758437
And yet they didn't complain. As today's beta hyper fem manlets do. Today's manlet was just a woman in the 1930s
>>29753770
I've put a few hundred rounds through one at a range. It's probably the most fun thing I've ever shot, but a lot of the things that made it so fun would be drawbacks in use. The recoil kinda rolls into you instead of bucking, but this is due to the heavy weight. Rate of fire isn't crazy fast but that makes it more satisfying in a way.
The one I shot jammed a few times and that seemed to be due to a design flaw.
>>29755706
i came
>>29758316
Getting nuked
>>29755706
>Gee Antonio, how come your dictator lets you have TWO triggers?
>>29754354
This.
>>29758970
>Le people were sooo tough back in the day
Could you tip harder please I think there's people in China who can't hear it.
>>29758316
They're fucking Nips dude they fetishize everything
It's essentially the SPAS 12 of SMGs.
>>29754157
They actually built one...
>>29759167
I can smell your mangina through cyber space. Boipussy mmm
>>29754252
The aluminium versions were marginally lighter and problematic. The fact is the gun while functional, effective enough, and sexy, it was outclassed in nearly every way aside from craftsmanship.
>>29754354
>Your grandaddies carried it with no choice in wtf equipment they we're given outside of looting corpses, aside from officers that we're occasionally given options for defensive weapons, because they had a job to do at the end of a war. Therefor it's not heavy as fuck even amongst other boat anchors of the time.
>>29754980
Which is an old pos compared to it's USAS12 counterpart which also has extremely limited utility.
>>29759167
>le meme meme
its objectively true, though. most people living in the west today have never done any actual manual labor harder than walking outside
>>29753770
>what does /k/ think of a weapon none of you have ever used in combat and never will
Why would you even make the thread
>>29759570
As if any of /k/ will ever use any weapon in combat.
>>29753770
Heavy as shit.
>>29754023
>2,532.19 bucks in today's currency
>That's WITH a government contract
JESUS
>>29759562
True. Due to the higher population today, the concentration of which is in urban settings. still plenty of people busting ass for a living. Even the shit some people do in their free time is demanding. Hard work is a fetish here, not forced.
>>29759562
Indeed but that doesn't detract from the fact that a heavy service weapon is at a disadvantage to a lighter one. 99% of the time spent carrying a weapon is not done so in combat. A heavy weapon there just slows you down, tires you out and demoralizes you.
Don't get me wrong the Tommy gun is a great SMG and the thing is absolutely gorgeous but it's not a good service weapon . Though to be fair at the time there weren't many good military SMGs at all.
>>29759570
Funny, it doesn't say shit about combat in the OP.odd that it was a gun you could order out of a prochure and is still produced for civilian ownership. Did you know they have magical ranges where you can handle these "combat" weapons?
>>29759710
You dont need that
>>29759704
Both this and being a pansy if you complain about its weight can be true.
>>29754070
What if I like bitter apples faggit?
>>29754391
Sauce?
>>29758970
My grandfather complained about the thing, and he was fit. He carried several versions of that fucker through 2 wars, multiple theaters, and
He preferred the M2 Carbine and M3 SMG he used in Korea over his Thompson in WWII. Weight is DEFINITELY an issue, don't delude yourself you imbecile.
>>29754005
Not the BAR.
Ridiculously sexy
>>29754023
Makes me wonder why 1911s cost thousands of dollars today. They sold for only $30 back in the day and the design hasn't changed.
>>29759939
I'm not saying there were NO pussies in that era. Just a much smaller ratio than today. Clearly pussies have existed all along, in fact we wouldn't be having this conversation without genetics I reckon.
>>29759885
Then you should kill yourself with your bitter apples.
>modern replicas manufactured to be closed bolt
what is this cancer
>>29760773
The ATF
>>29753836
Yes i do wear a dress
and yes i feel pretty
>>29760688
Lewd.
>>29759902
Idk, found it on /vp/
It was a gun designed to win WWI that came out too late, like the Kalashnikov.
Unlike that, the usefulness wasn't there.
The tommy gun is bulkier than an xbox controller because it was designed for the mostly non-functional blish lock system. Ask Ian.
So first redesign they ditched that for a big blowback block, but that part weighs more than entire other 45 blockback guns. It's like if they made a .22lr garand but kept the action the same size.
The drums were useful until you had to change them, and frankly 50 rounds slow as fuck to load vs 30 in a fast stickmag is no contest.
The guns were excellently machined, but they had to be. It took like three versions to get the weight to an acceptable level and make the bolt handle stick out the side, but the thing was still a VERY costly gun of such a simple design. Why the british went with stens, and americans with m3 grease guns is sooo logistically obvious.
There was zero reason it should have been that heavy, and it was mostly surplanted by the M2 carbine and completely obsolete by the M3 SMG.
Iconic, but impractical to field or weild.
Obsolete huh?
Is there any way to modernize it?
>>29753770
the Blish locking mechanism was overly complicated and was eventually discovered to be completely unnecessary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blish_lock
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-93707.html
>>29761289
Well, you can reduce it's weight by stamping it, reducing its size, or changing the material into a lighter metal. Apply wood looking synthetics, rear apreture sights/modern open sights/HK Drum Sights and make a blowback firearm that can be interchangeable with 9mm, .45 ACP, etc.
>>29760688
I can already see it
>>29754218
>that's false information it was 43 lbs.
source?
>>29760773
Open bolt is shit on anything but high volume of fire weapons. SHIT
>>29761289
Sure, if you want to change it so much that it's nothing like the original besides being Firearm
>>29761667
Well thats retarded
>>29758316
two nukes will do that to a society.
>>29761383
I feel bad for the inventor. He discovered something, applied it, and it didn't work out in practice.
"The Blish Lock resulted from Blish's observation of large naval guns. He noticed that the breech blocks of naval guns with interrupted thread breeches remained closed when fired with full charges, but tended to unscrew when fired with light charges. He concluded that dissimilar metals have a tendency to adhere to each other when subjected to very high pressure. This principle of metallic adhesion of dissimilar metals became known as the Blish Principle. Blish put this knowledge to use in a delayed-blowback breech lock. He developed a working model that used a simple wedge as the lock, and was eventually assigned U.S. Patent 1,131,319 on March 9, 1915."
>>29761807
No. You
>>29753860
Control-ability
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>>29755686
Gets triggered by trigger discipline.
Kekkedy kek
