Crossbow / Bow thread
This might be retarded, but are there any forces in the world that still use something like this.
Was playing Black Ops the other day and it has one level where super spec ops use a crossbow. Seemed retarded to me but what do I know.
>>29721749
Anglo Arms Panther?
Looks like good kit.
From what I understand, recurves are a little slower FPS but their bolts don't have to be made from high-end (expensive, scarcity) materials.
How's the useful range and accuracy?
>>29721773
Nah, has no advantages over a gun in any situation. They are fairly loud too.
Still, their lethality can't be disputed. Even a cheap one like op will fuck you up with a broadhead as bad as any gunshot.
>>29721773
I think I remember reading that some branch of the Chinese police has the option to use them.
>>29721845
Yep, Panther.
Accuracy is good to 50 yards, maybe more. The aluminium 2219 bolts are great if you use soft targets. Used one bolt like 50 times in a row with no damage. Also adjustable stock is nice.
>>29721857
Crossbows have nothing on guns, but bows are very quiet and you can load them 20x faster than a crossbow. A gun requires just as much training as a bow. They both have their advantages, however a crossbow doesn't have an advantage over either one. Theres a reason people still hunt with bows. It's not for novelty, a well placed arrow can kill any game animal.
What im trying to say here is; fuck crossbows, bows and guns are the bees knees.
>>29721749
Incidentally if anyone was wondering, this is the 175lb draw version ~260fps and hits at around 50ft lbs. It is difficult to cock and I ain't a shrimp! In hindsight the 150 lb one might have been better.
>>29722334
Before anyone comments on how easy it is to load a crossbow (even though the commentee has never fired or loaded one in his life), to load a powerful crossbow, you need to use your whole body, arms and legs to draw the arms back. Then you load it. Its only saving characteristic is that it can stay ready to fire without the human body exerting force to keep ot that way. After you fire a crossbow, you're vulnerable to your opponent. Just my 2 cents
Here's my target and barebow setups along with a half completed crossbow
>>29722552
Niiiice
>>29722334
>Crossbows have nothing on guns,
I define "nothing" as:
"quietly and accurately launch versatile and effective, reusable ammunition which is easily made from common, unrestricted materials."
In addition, crossbows offer simpler, more intuitive operation than traditional bows, require less physical strength to use effectively, and offer the ability to be held ready to fire for long periods of time in a prone position.
Your experience may vary.
>>29721773
US SF and presumably CAG use(d) them to launch drag lines (basically looks like a grappling hook except it's on thin line and the prongs are thin spring steel) across minefields and/or against IED's, but I don't know anybody that actually tries to kill things with them.
>>29722334
A modern compound bow is, even with string leeches, fuckhuge stabilizer/damper, and limbsavers, louder than a suppressed 9mm pistol. While carrying a tenth of the energy (a 70lb compound bow with a 330fps IBO is around 85 lb-ft, less than a .22 short at 100m).
>>29722385
http://www.thecrossbowstore.com/Crossbow-Cocking-Devices-s/89.htm
>>29722943
A tenth of the energy yes but a bladed broadhead will do just as much if not more damage to flesh.
>>29722892
>easily made from common materials
I wasn't aware that hollow graphite or aluminum tubes were really all that common. Or that putting a nock and fletching on it were particularly easy (especially without a fletching jig). Unless you mean "shitty homebrew crossbow that shoots wooden dowels from Lowe's at under 100fps"
>unrestricted materials
Pretty sure broadheads at least require an age check in every country on earth. And if you wanna use field points, why even bother with a point?
>reusable
Until you miss and it shoots over the fucking horizon or snakes under 300ft of grass. Or you hit a tree, limb, rock, stump, major bone, or basically anything other than flesh and air. And the bolt bends or breaks. Or, on the third time you hit flesh with it, the fletching strips off and it's now useless.
Not to mention that even modern high-end hunting crossbows only carry lethal energy to ~130m and require a rifle-style rest and a properly calibrated BDC in a $300 scope to be accurate enough to use past ~60m.
>>29722999
Not if it doesn't penetrate deep enough.
And when you consider a 330fps IBO compound bow won't penetrate 12" of deer chest *without* hitting a rib at 45+ yards, that's an extremely likely scenario.
>>29722999
In order to get sufficient penetration at anything past 35 yards you either need one of the $1200+ wunderbows with a 350fps+ IBO, or you need to shoot small-cutting-diameter (7/8"-1 1/8") 2-blade cut on contact fixed blade broadheads.
Yes I know those 2"+ cutting diameter mechanicals look wicked but you give up a lot of penetration.
>>29723013
Crossbows are ancient technology.
Do you honestly think...
OK, lets try that again.
Do your feelings tell you that the Swiss and Genoese crossbowmen of the 1300s used ineffective weapons becasue they lacked aluminum, graphite, and mig/tig welding?
Based on your tone, its probably a good thing that you lack imagination and improivisation skills.
>>29723245
Go ahead and try to shoot a wooden bolt out of a modern storebought crossbow (even the shitty $70 pistol crossbows on Amazon). Send pics as the doctors pull the splinters out of your face and forearms please.
Though I did kinda forget about the fiberglass marking stakes that are like a buck fifty each at Lowe's. Those would work. Wouldn't be too accurate but they wouldn't shatter (assuming you had some form of nock on it and didn't just carve a notch in the end).
>>29723245
Ancient crossbows worked by sending thick, heavy bolts slowly for lotsa energy. They also almost unilaterally used bodkins instead of broadheads, because they were designed for relatively untrained peasants to be able to kill armored opponents.
If you have a Ye Olde Style crossbow capable of shooting half-inch diameter bolts at ~200fps, sure. Feel free to make your own shit. But otherwise, >>29723245
is perfectly correct. Because you don't have a Ye Olde Style crossbow, nor do you have the skill to make one. How do I know this? Well, you're here.
Where's my bow thread buddy?
>Don't fall for the meme of modern archery! Rufus Jablontsky is reinventing the sport after watching over 2 hours of braveheart outtakes! Watch this YouTube link that is certainly my channel, and possibly creepy fandom if not.
>>29723300
>Ancient crossbows worked by sending thick, heavy bolts slowly for lotsa energy. They also almost unilaterally used bodkins instead of broadheads, because they were designed for relatively untrained peasants to be able to kill armored opponents.
These are good points. Thank you for adding to the discussion.
>>29723056
Would you rather be shot in the gut with 1 x .22lr or 1 x 3 blade broadhead?
>>29723520
The three blade broadhead. Not even a question.
>>29723577
You've obviously never hunted with a bow before.
Crossbows and bows in general are very underrated weapons.
Near silent and great range. The Scorpyd crossbows could penetrate modern body armor according to a channel on youtube. He used a blunt head and it still cracked the plate so much it was fugged.
Once battery tech has advanced to the point where it's virtually perfect on the molecular level, rapid fire high performance crossbows will hopefully come to life.
Awesome stuff
>>29723577
Dude the broadhead will make surgical repair an impossibility, or at least it'll take 24 hours on a table.
The .22 is the better option by far.
You'd likely bleed out before getting to a hospital, too.
>>29722552
Looks decent. Mine might never get finished.
>>29723577
>Hurr durr da two-two gon bounce round ma reebz like a pinball game machine.
>Starts a crossbow thread
>1 x crossbow and 30 shitposts
guys.
>>29722969
HANG ON, I HAVE TO PULL OUT MY CROSSBOW RELOADING DEVICE AND RELOAD NOW. PLEASE DONT KILL ME WHILE IM PULLING IT OUT!
>>29723924
Nice looking stock, Do you already have the prod and roller nut made? I still need to find someone to either make or let me use their equipment to make the roller nut and trigger system.
>>29726018
Most archery threads turn out like this sadly. And r/archery is mostly just a bunch of faggots circle jerking about their samick sage bows.
>>29727179
No... it's having issues (read no tools and workshop). The prod will be 2 150lb fiberglass bought online.
>>29723300
>implying there's any weapon not owned by a /k/ommando
>>29721749
I'm thinking of getting the limbs on my bow replaced with heavier ones, going from 20 lbs. to 25 or 30. (I'm pretty sure I can do that, they look to be attached mechanically, there are knob things where they meet the handle and nuts on the other side.) What's a reasonable increase in draw weight and about how much will it set me back?
>>29730259
What kind of bow is it?
I thought the main advantage of crossbows was silence... it seems they're louder than suppressed pistols. My entire life is a lie.
>>29731360
It's not just that.
Arrows have pretty much no concussive effect, and the only way an arrow will incapacitate you instantly is a direct hit to cerebral cortex.
This means that your target will scream and make a hell of a racket before he bleeds out or dies of shock.
>>29721749
I want to buy a Crossbow, any Tips for a Beginner? What to buy how to take care of it? Is it any good as home defence against sandniggers with knifes?
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>>29722969
The Genoese had the right idea. These were mounted on their belts. Kneel, set hooks on string and foot into foot loop, stand up, then duck back behind pavise and load a bolt. They were about as fast as English archers.
I'm interested in beginning target shooting with bows. Where would I start? What would you guys recommend for a first bow?
>>29733222
Going to an archery shop or a major outdoors shop that actually has a range like Cabelas/Bass Pro is a good starting point to work from. As for bows, the Samick Sage is a common recommendation, though Martin makes great Takedown bows with all of their risers and limbs being interchangeable at a similar price.
>>29733243
He's certainly leading the way when it comes to grand claims and hype videos.
The noob recommendations for gear I've seen tend to be quite basic stuff. Compound bows, sights, thumb triggers... none of that really. But I guess that won't fit the narrative here. Generic stuff, true, but since when should a beginner go for odd, outlandish, custom, or any such?
Your post also suggests that there's a single right way of doing things here. We can't have different people who are after different things, and as a result using different gear, different shooting technique, and practising differently. Rubbish.
Lars does have nice nice trick shooting to show off though. At least post-edit. Perhaps he truly is a really great archer, but someone will have to cut out the sensationalism and ego if we're to get a good look at that.
>>29733222
See if there's a club or such in your neck of the woods.
>>29722334
>crossbows have nothing on bows
Why did so many medieval switch from bows to crossbows as soon as technologically possible?
>>29733376
>>29733403
Don't feed the troll, just report and hide the trollpasta.
>>29733438
Easier to train up, at shorter ranges were more effective against armor.
English war bows had insanely heavy draw weight to try to keep up with armor advances.
>>29733459
>easier to train
>better penetration
Those are two clear advantages today too.
What's the deal with modern crossbows shooting arrows instead of bolts/bodkins m8?I'm almost exclusively a shotgun user and to me it seems like replacing my .69 caliber foster slug with a .223 sabot or something lol.
>>29733509
Modern crossbow bolts aren't the same as the arrows used in archery.
>>29733459
Also, while the penetration and ease of use will pretty much always matter, the rate of fire will become a lot less important if you have something to hide behind while reloading, and a rather finite supply of ammo.
So with sieges being rather more common than pitched battles, and with town militias (naturally being heavily focused on siege defence) being perhaps the most important source of recruits, crossbows had a lot going for them.
Those town militias where also big early adopters of guns in many places, as those too where slow to reload but hard hitting ranged weapons, and then they brought them along for field battles when they went mercenary.
And given how the proper wood for a good warbow was a strategic resource (that the English had to import a lot of), materials cost and availability might also be a factor in favour of the crossbow.
Would a wood-vaned arrow work (well)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXdw22pPzA
>>29733509
Trying for a longer draw length perhaps?
Incendiary bolt on the right.
One for bullets, rather than bolts.
As neat as the repeating Chinese crossbows may be, I wish there was a bit mroe info to be found floating around on their regular ones.
>>29726529
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pavise+shield&FORM=HDRSC2&PC=MOZB
>>29733663
>the rate of fire will become a lot less important if you have something to hide behind while reloading,
This was actually one of the important deciding factors at Crecy. The Geneose mercenary crossbowmen the French had hired would normally have big curved shields with ground stakes called pavises set up that would have made them immune to longbow fire. Instead they were routed because the pavises were miles away at the back of the supply train while they were positioned outside crossbow range but inside longbow.
OP started a tactical crossbow thread.
>70 shitposts
>historical bow shitposts
>Lars shitposts
GUYSSSS
>>29730934
it's a recurve made by PSE
>>29732616
>belt-mounted
>put loop on foot
How long were these things?
>>29734990
You flip your crossbow over and set the strings on the hooks, with the foot loop at the business end of the crossbow down.
bows are novelties....I am glad there are modern ones available...but they take a lot of practice to shoot well and forget about quick....
The really awesome thing is when people forget to not grip the thing too high....they cut their fingers off....
I ain't gonna lie tho, I always wanted a Barnett Commando. Those things were just sex.
oops i meant xbows, dang auto correct..
bows, too, are not easy but they are viable since they can be reloaded quick....if only I could shoot like Legolas...
diy with leaf spring from car.
>>29722362
150lb draw and only 260fps. Thats a goddamn shame. Ill stick to compound bows thank you.
My new bow.
SAS Rage.
70lbs.
Very impressed with the quality.
>>29739241
Hind sight magnum rear sight, I really like it.
I hate peep sights.
>>29729868
We've got pinfires, m79s and ptrds after all
Why has nobody mentioned ze sleengshot channel yet? He's made all kinds of stuff like crossbows and slingbows, ranging from non-lethal to extremely lethal.
>>29739272
>>29739241
what's up with the crosshair behind the sight?
captcha: nuts
How would/where would you carry you quiver/arrows while wearing full kit and body armor? (no guns or ammo)
>>29733694
why would u use incediary bolts?
>>29742411
on the right side of your hip
just like a sword on the other side
>>29743353
Mostly for sieges I think.
>>29741446
It's a Hind Sight brand Magnum rear sight.
It's a rear iron sight that mounts to the front sight.
Much more visible than a peep sight, doesn't get out of alignment either, money well spent.
>>29744210
why does everyone in these paintings have an indifferent expression?
>>29744294
It was the Medieval ages.
Casual violence is par on course :DDDD
>>29744303
they all look like they're thinking about whats for dinner after they all kill each other
Can't you just make a crossbow with the same powerdraw of a bow?
Or would it make the crossbow too long/clumsy?
>>29744696
You've got it kind of backwards. Crossbows typically use massively higher draw weights than manual bows, but also use some form of mechanical aid that makes it easier to set the string.
>>29744744
I meant power stroke.
The distance the arrow/bolt gets accelerated by the spring.
Bump for moar archery.
>>29745517
See I love traditional bows and I also love crossbows, I guess mainly because of the historical factor of both(the French never invented the crossbow, they had it in China way earlier and same with the Greeks) but what really twists my dick is compound bow shooters. You've gone so far from what a bow is you might as well get a gun, and then it's like "oh well it's to get a jump on primitive hunting season" that's just a lazy excuse man and I can't respect you for it. I get that you aren't skilled enough to use a real bow and crossbows aren't always allowed for hunting in primitive season unless you're disabled or something but don't call yourself an archer when you got all this fancy gismos and bullshit to remove you from the action, if you can't shoot a bow off hand instinctively then can you really shoot a bow at all? The answer is no, you can shoot something resembling a bow and but that does 90% of the work for you.
>>29744294
It's for the same reason there's very little use of perspective: almost no one in Europe had the time or money to develop the arts of drawing and painting very far until the Renaissance.
>>29745517
What kind of draw is he using there?
Speaking of which, anybody here spend much time using something other than the standard Mediterranean draw? How did you like it?
>>29733459
Actually the weight was to allow longer range, though the Welsh did use longbows to penetrate armor in ambushes.
>>29742411
If worn it would mostly be on the belt. Archers usually didn't wear armor. Arrows would also be staged for battle.
>>29743353
Set fires.
Crossbows are cool. I love the historical stuff.
Good hunting crossbows cost as much as a rifle, but the extended seasons are probably worth it.
As for modern "tactical" use the rather niche role of sentry removal would be handled better by a short, suppressed .300 Blackout AR.
![MechRelease[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/076C5KH.jpg "MechRelease[1].jpg")
>>29745836
Mechanical release. Allows for a trigger-pull release with no horizontal string motion. Pretty much solely used with compound bows.
>>29745869
>Actually the weight was to allow longer range, though the Welsh did use longbows to penetrate armor in ambushes.
Right, but as armored forces closed switching to bodkins kept the archers relevant in the fight.
>>29746000
Bodkins were all that were used. When the armored forces closed archers got the hell out of there.
Why don't more Europoors who can't get access to firearms own crossbows? You just aim and pull the trigger and unlike a gas gun they actually can stop a person.
You can keep em loaded, mount optics to them and with the right bolt head they could make a formidable home defense weapon.
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't they relatively unregulated in Europe?
>>29746655
>inb4 self defense is illegal in Europe
I know, but I wouldn't care if my life was in danger. It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 (or get buttraped and aids).
>>29746615
Nope. They also had standard points and broadheads for taking horses out.
>>29746655
Crossbows require license in some EU countrys.
if i were a no gun i would just get a hunting license in 3-4days
Diamond infinite edge
Swapped out the whisker biscuit for a drop away
>>29746722
I know in the UK you just have to be above 21 and you cannot hunt with it
>>29721773
The chinese army still use crossbows, but its maintenance of tradition more then anything
>>29747511
I feel like if you had a strong enough one it would make for a really good grenade launcher or maybe a close mortar much like the knee mortar of Japans imperial army in ww2.
Someone needs to tests this out with that AR crossbow thing.
>>29745586
you should try to not get so ass blasted about what other people choose to shoot. I don't even shoot compound but trad fags like you piss me off.
>>29747962
heavy bolts fly like a turd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOM4IQjQtM4
>>29748023
Lol I'm not assblasted at all. Stay mad amigo :^)
>>29722334
Go to bed legolas
>>29735709
>.......................
I really want one of these.
Go Primal Now survival bow.
>>29749316
This dude isn't using his cheap fold up bow
He is slaying the pussy with that outfit
All able-bodied men should be competent in archery, the bow is one of the defining instruments of mankind itself.
>>29750375
Well that's just wrong man.
I'd say the spear is, maybe the atlatl. But not the bow.
>>29744778
Up to 16in is good 12in is common.
