Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, gather round.
The FOSSCAD Megapack v4.8 has finally been released in all its glory. After nearly two years, the newest, latest, and greatest 3D printed designs are now available for download at not only your favorite torrent site, but Mega as well. Over two gigs worth of CAD for your printing enjoyment.
There are three options for downloading the Megapack below, a zipped and unzipped torrent and a link for direct download. There is also a photo album with pictures of the new and upgraded items introduced in this Megapack.
Megapack Torrent HERE: https://kat.cr/fosscad-mega-pack-v4-8-ishikawa-t12472975.html
Megapack (ZIPPED/1.12GB) Torrent HERE: https://kat.cr/fosscad-mega-pack-v4-8-ishikawa-t12472975.html
Megapack Direct Download here https://mega.nz/#!qNcDUJrT!wVzbt6pWi4oJW2Vox4N8kDQcce8kBpBbc_5IMpo1ps4
Megapack Changelog Photo Album https://imgur.com/a/qwBVv/layout/horizontal#0
Reference: https://confab.fosscad.org/126/official-fosscad-mega-pack-v4-8-ishikawa-release
If you have any questions, concerns, gripes, bitches, complaints, praise, accolades, or even just want to discuss new designs or changes to old ones, swing by www.fosscad.org/fc/chat and ask away. If you've got an IRC client, come on by irc.oftc.net #FOSSCAD.
Please remember to check your local, state, and federal laws before printing any firearm part or accessory.
>>29697121
Do you know what happened to the washbear revolver? Looks like his blog has been deleted.
>>29697137
It is included in the Megapack
aw yiss
>>29697198
So... much... freedom...
>>29697121
Holy shit warfairy you are amazing, I know /k/ can be full of autists but I want to personally tell you that you are welcome and a /k/ommando in the best way
And because I've got some free time, RENDER PORN!
This one is the Gluty. It is a modification of the Shuty design put together by another FOSSCAD designer, using 9mm Glock magazines rather than printed ones for extra capacity.
>>29697121
I had thought you dropped off the face of the earth, goddamn do you know how to make a re-entry.
>>29697220
You ever finalize the TKB bullpup design? I know you thought you had it figured
>>29697242
Aww, thank you sugar. /k/ has a warm place in my heart, and always will.
Just for that, I'll give you a sneak peak at something I've been fuckin around with. This one isn't in the pack as it isn't even CLOSE to ready for manufacture, but yeah. Something to get your tinglies going.
>>29697255
I did for a few months due to moving around the middle east and being out of contact with the civilized world, but the designing never stops so long as I have an outlet for power, caffeine, and enough nicotine to down a horse.
>>29697259
I haven't had a chance to work on the Hanuman in a while unfortunately. I will get to it sooner rather than later now that I've got a permanent location.
Render: Atlas updated for latest pack
MOAR PORN
This is a version of my Phobos receiver meant for CNC Milling. It still needs a touch of optimization, but a clever man could do it as is.
>>29697261
>round glock
I came
>>29697275
What inspired this design?
>>29697341
Yup, round top glock. Its still super early stage of dev, but I don't see any reason it can't be made to work. It'll take a ballsy mother fucker to make it though, as it requires milling on the chamber block of the glock barrel... soooo yeah.
The Atlas came about because I wanted to make a lower that allowed steady shooting without rests that put no pressure at all on the upper. The cutout in the stock is for your off-hand, and the swept grip is quite nice when you're prone. Plus... it looks really neat.
>>29697220
shame i don't have a printer. still, i always download these packs in case one day i do. and also fuck duh gubmint.
seriously appreciate what you do, fampai. fightin the good fight.
>>29697121
I have a fear of virus, which one is the safest?
>>29697121
Oh dang you guys are still alive?
So how much of this stuff has been tested already?
>>29697261
>round glock
Dude, if you somehow manage to fix the glock's shit tier aesthetics, I'll trace your IP and suck your fucking cock free of charge.
Do you have a job in arms design, Warfairy? Or is this all a hobby for you?
>>29697309
Can you give me the best link to download?
>>29697309
You got any pics or videos of that thing in action?
>>29697121
Can you give recommendations on a relatively capable 3d printer? Basically one that is the best intersection of price, quality and stage size, in your opinion
>>29697388
Maybe the atlas would be better represented with a scope attached?
Have you considered designing a flush fit flashlight for the glock?
alternately, I'd love to see a pistol with a side folding Osprey suppressor attachment.
>>29697408
You should save up and get one. On the budget end, the DaVinci series of printers throw WAY nicer prints than they should for their 500 dollar price point. If you can swing the cash and don't mind assembling a kit, the best bang for your buck is going to the the Rostock Max V2, coming in at 1000 USD. Both printers, once dialed in, throw prints that are more than acceptable for use on the FOSSCAD files.
>>29697416
All of the links are clean, I've checked them myself. The easiest to download is going to be the second, seeing as it is zipped up.
>>29697424
We're still alive and kicking. We've been working our asses off over the last two years to test as much as possible. All of the AR-15 stuff has been tested and is good to go, and a shitload of the rest of it has been tested to some extent or another. We actually went through and pulled out stuff that tested badly.
>>29697443
Still working on it, but I'm hoping I can get it working and tested. I'm currently in Erbil, Iraq... so you'll have an expensive ass flight. Bring beer.
>>29697448
I'm currently employed as a contractor in Iraq. I do Satellite Communications Engineering. This design stuff is just my way of staying sane.
>>29697470
That one hasn't actually been made yet. Got a guy that's going to give it a shot and report back once it actually exists.
>>29697476
My two highest recommendations are the DaVinci and the Rostock Max V2. The DaVinci has a relatively small print area, but throws absolutely FANTASTIC prints for its 500 USD price. The Rostock Max V2 is the king of print volume. Seriously, it is massive what that thing can pull off. It comes as a kit that must be assembled by the end user and is 1000 USD.
Both printers come HIGHLY recommended by FOSSCAD.
>>29697480
Yeah, it would be, but I couldn't find any good scopes on GrabCAD at the time that my connection would actually let me download. I like the idea of a flush fit flashlight mount. I'll have to chew on that one.
>>29697476
For poorfag options look up Reprap options
>>29697509
I'll bring beer, hookers, ammo, tunes, cash, cosmoline, whatever. Just finish your masterwork so I can have a reason to purchase an objectively better gun than the one I carry.
Someone try printing an AR lower so we can see how it works
>>29697443
How about I fly him out to the bunny ranch?
So these are 3D printable components?
I thought 3D printed guns were liable to blow the fuck up or not work?
>>29697509
Can you make a Glock Frame with a 3D printer?
>>29697522
See, I didn't like glocks either till I used the new 17 Gen4. Those backstraps make a WORLD of difference, and the one I shot had the ZEV Ultimate trigger with the flat face installed. It was a JOY to shoot. Its the first time I didn't want to put a Glock down after putting a couple mags through.
>>29697545
They are 3D printable components. The ones that pop are the ones that try to use plastic as chambers or barrels. I can't recommend any of those. Most designers have gone to using store bought barrels or liners for pressure bearing components. We haven't had a catastrophic failure since.
>>29697509
Think you'd be interested in actually working with a company in a few years, some friends and I are going to start on putting a machine shop together and get a business started when I finish college.
We won't have much but I'd love to be able to make actual prototypes of your designs, and work with you to improve them, though this won't be for a few years, right now I just have a shitty barn with a table saw in it.
>>29697546
That's actually an interesting question. The answer is yes, but with a MASSIVE caveat. The Glock frame has metal inserts that actually bear load and friction, so those parts have to be accounted for in the design of the printed frame. You'd have to create something that you could embed in your print and then enclose with a second printed part using JB weld or something to permanently bond it into place. Thus far, no one I know of has attempted it.
>>29697523
Here's a video of one of our most prolific printers/testers doing assembly on one of the lowers included in the pack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlRN1C8t6n0
>>29697509
When are consumer level DMLS printers going to become a thing so we can finally get to the next level?
>>29697574
I'd absolutely be interested. All of my designs are free to use in any way you see fit, homie. If you decide you want to make a milled/manufactured design based or copied from one of mine, you go nuts!
Everyone starts somewhere.
>>29697550
What was the pull like? How light?
>>29697583
They're not. DMLS has some requirements inherent to it that prohibit it ever being an at-home system. The sintering powder is FEROCIOUSLY sensitive to moisture, turning into a lump of oxidized metal incredibly fast if it is mishandled. It is also a great way to get heavy metal poisoning if you fluff it too vigorously. On top of that, the machine itself has to have an argon or nitrogen purging system for the build area. Remember what I said about moisture? That goes doubly when the shit warms up, which is exactly what you're doing with the laser in the build area.
DMLS is a very cool system, but it will remain out of reach.
You want to see something that IS scalable, check out the Fabrisonic machines. They weld foils together and progressively mill between each layering. Absolutely fuckin MAGIC. They can weld disparate metals together, so like Aluminium-Titanium-Aluminium, etc. THAT will be coming if/when the company decides to miniaturize or the patents expire.
>>29697612
It was set at five pounds, smooth takeup, with a deliciously snappy break. It was honestly a joy to shoot. Now it isn't that hyper crisp feeling a good 1911 has, and it still feels like a striker fired trigger, but goddamn it is the best striker I've ever shot.
>>29697579
Any reason why it could not be attempted? Any reason you have not done so?
Why does that sound too easy?
>>29697631
Anything on the near term that will make Metal printing at home possible?
>>29697631
Could an enclosed/sealed powder cartridge solution ameliorate the problems with moisture and safety?
>>29697645
When you actually go into the Glock and look at it not as a firearm, but as an engineering question, it is absolutely brilliantly designed. If you look at any other firearms, you see whispers of process engineering there, little things that were concessions to the necessities of manufacturing. The Glock is not like that. When you really look, it was designed by Process Engineers from the ground up.
It would be a rather daunting project to try and follow that kind of engineering well enough to produce something that will work as well or better than the original. It could be done, yes. The reason I haven't done so is because I can't have a Glock on hand. I have to design in the blind and rely on testers back in the states for feedback. Trying to make a Glock frame would require not only printing, but metal forming/milling/cutting, which is a tall order.
I take it a metal receiver wouldn't be so boxy on the end, this is just enforcement for being plastic?
>>29697631
>You want to see something that IS scalable, check out the Fabrisonic machines. They weld foils together and progressively mill between each layering. Absolutely fuckin MAGIC. They can weld disparate metals together, so like Aluminium-Titanium-Aluminium, etc. THAT will be coming if/when the company decides to miniaturize or the patents expire.
Any guess on price/limits of ability?
>>29697509
right now i'm focusing on getting a mini mill, or at least a drill press and a few other tools and building a design i've been obsessing about hardcore by the end of the year. what really sucks is my sisters boyfriend has a 3d printer, but he's an anti-fun and won't let me use it to print some of this stuff.
>>29697682
I have been playing world of guns and it is just mind boogling to see the very simple to the hyper complex, to think that free men came up with such tools is proof that Liberty works
>>29697682
What do you think about the polymer80 guys that commercialized a fully polymer glock 80% frame (even the frame rails) and jig?
>>29697121
So this stuff won't blow up in my face if I can print it out and assemble it correctly?
>>29697682
You have the army to make it happen,worse case it can not be done, give the order, and watch history be made and corporate lawyers lose their minds.
>>29697663
None of the concepts I've seen thus far are suitable, so I have to say no, as depressing as that is.
>>29697674
It is possible, but you're still looking at a sintering powder that is, minimum, 125 USD per kilo. The danger comes in during post-print cleanup. Its an issue that has no really good solutions so far.
>>29697695
You are correct. The extra thickness along the top of the receiver and the extra-large buffer tower are due to the limitations of ABS plastic used in the vast majority of printers, plus some extra for a margin of reliability based on variance between printers.
>>29697707
Their R7200 is their flagship machine with a print area 6x6x4 feet. Absolutely MASSIVE throughput for parts. The quote I got was 1.2 million, including full install. Now something with a print area of 12x12x8", or even 8x8x4 would be FAR more palatable to the home building crowd and would be a fraction of the price, but likely still in the high 4 figure to low 5 figure range, if they'd even consider building it.
I have my fingers crossed and I'm throwing out prayers to any god that will listen that they decide to.
>>29697717
Look into the Grizzly stuff. They've got a mini mill and lathe for 600 USD each, and with 200 to 400 bucks worth of tooling you could have a VERY capable workshop setup for small projects. Don't rely on other people's tools, espeically anti-fun ones.
>>29697732
If you want to see machinery art, look at the P7M13. That thing is absolutely GORGEOUSLY designed. The Glock holds the top spot for brilliant design, but the P7 is a VERY close second.
>>29697733
Jig is a slang term for nigger
>>29697275
This... This...
This should not make my dick this hard.
If I could get a metal reinforced version of this, I'd just as soon jam my dick into it holy fucking shit.
Throw a bolt action upper on there. Umph.
You know, someone could easily address all the issues the majority of printed polymer ARs have by doing the same shit ATI is doing by having a simple metal insert reinforcement plate of sorts.
You fuckers are making me seriously reconsider taking the 1500 I'm spending on my truck and throwing it at the CNC Siege X2 build I've been jacking off to, for the past 3 years.
>>29697717
>>29697748
>>29697509
speaking of which, what's the simplest hammer-fired fire control group with a disconnector that you can think of? it would be for use in a semi-auto. looking for something that requires minimal machining aside from just cutting it out. there's the modified PBG one on weaponsguild which seems to be my best bet, but i'm always open to something even more simple.
>>29697579
I'm actually planning on attempting something like this using one of the new 3d printers that impregnates fiberglass into nylon or some shit kind of polymer, which allows it to achieve strengths equal to 7075 aluminum.
>>29697733
I like what they're doing a lot, and I can't wait to see full build videos on youtube. I really want to see how people go about finishing them. The one thing I can't figure out is that little rib right under the beavertail. It looks like it'd bruise the shit out of your hand after a while, but I'd have to actually hold the thing to find out. All in all, I love the idea.
>>29697737
I can't say whether it will or won't. It depends on so many things. The first is the specific design chosen, then the material you are printing in, the print settings used, the accuracy of the printer, getting a proper fill in the print, and so on. Use all of these at your own risk, and use your brain before you drop any rounds into any printed firearm. That being said, any AR-15 lower you print won't kill you or even hurt you if it fails. It just kinda falls apart.
>>29697740
Oh I know sugar, believe me. I've been chewing on the idea for months, trying to work out the most efficient way to make it happen. There's a LOT going on in a Glock frame, even outside the frame rails. They really are puzzles.
>>29697781
Oh sweety, you don't need any metal in that lower. That thing is so bloody overbuilt it isn't even funny. That whole receiver is over two POUNDS of ABS plastic,with two solid inches between the end of the integral buffer tube and the back of the butt stock. That thing isn't breaking unless you REALLY fuck up the acetone welding.
Get the Sieg X2. If your truck runs, fuck dumping money into it. TOOLS man. Tools will make sure you never go hungry. Tools will make things you dream of come to life with enough effort. Tools are love. Tools are life.
>>29697799
The simplest is the AK FCG. That fuckin thing is fantastic, and has simple enough geometry that you could cut it by hand if you really wanted to. Seriously. The AR FCG is fucking AWFUL to design for, and even worse to actually try and make. Its clever, yeah, but fuuuuck I hate it so much.
>>29697799
OH! And the 10/22. That thing is DEAD simple, and easy to scale.
>>29697804
DON'T FALL FOR THE MARKETING. The embedded fiber printers are NOTHING but marketing. Sure, they may be "as strong as aluminium", but what they don't tell you is that they only get those numbers on ONE axis. You STILL end up with shear lines between the layers. Print direction REALLY matters when you start talking embedded fiber. Just keep that in mind and don't get your hopes up too high.
>>29697831
thanks dude. i looked briefly at the ar FCG, but ruled it out pretty quickly. i'm lookin to go as simple as possible on this since i plan on making almost everything myself except the barrel. shit, i'd even like to make the mags myself, if i can only make one of two that work halfway reliably.
>>29697908
Beware the magazine. That way lies madness. Seriously, magazine design is fucking witchcraft.
If you're building everything yourself, AK or 10/22 is your best bet. Both are dead simple and easy to scale, as well as having a bit of wiggle room for tolerance built in.
If you want a touch of advice, use a store bought mag and FCG. Those two things are the DEATH of more designs than I can even count. Actions, receivers, aesthetics, ergonomics, all that shit is CAKE compared to FCG and Mag design.
The render attached here is my last foray into that land of madness. Never could get it working right, though that's more the fault of the ABS and how goddamned SMALL everything is in an FCG.
>>29697908
seriously senpai without significant experience you're just going to waste your time trying to build and FCG from scratch,
>>29697831
I get that it's ABS and fuck, if you use Nylon impregnated fiberglass, damn son, but I don't think I'd ever regret a few simple titanium reinforcement plates similar in application to the iron glock.
Hell if the assembly was a stock and grip/trigger guard assembly, I'd be all over that as well.
Fuck weight, that'd be a bolt action I could shove my dick into.
Issues with truck are almost necessary. Shit muffler, shit fucking exaust manifold, shit fucking 1500 dollars I have to throw into it so I can keep working as I go to college for CAD and Engineering Technology.
>>29697866
Yeah, that's why I've been thinking of jumping on a CNC before I go for gold with a printer. I've heard good things about the MarkForged 1, the 2 being substantially better with it being able to print far thinner layers than 1.
I'm hold off on buying one though. Continuous embedded fiber printers, as opposed to simple embedded, seem to be the right direction but to the best of my knowledge, there are still materials like Aluminide that could work very well for the majority of applications, but could only be enhanced cefp.
And with the CNC I can at least start work on my AK/AR18 AR15 uppers I want to smash out so you guys with 3D printers won't have to worry about shit like buffer tubes, you'd just have to buy a milled out upper kit, rivet a few parts in. and press/torque the barrel and you're done, throw that shit onto your run of the mill AR lower or your 3D printed lower. I want to have something where at least with the AK style upper, you'd be able to build it like an AK, be able to use the majority of parts from an AK parts kit, and ultimately have something you could slap onto a 3D printed lower for maximum ATFuckery, similar to how FNH uses an all polymer lower on their SCARs where the upper takes all the stress of the action cycling.
Don't know about the AR18 upper though. Fewer parts to substitute, but are still super easy to machine since its an American AK.
>>29697952
i plan on copying the feed lips and mag catch location from something else, so if i really fail on it i could at least buy them somewhere. i'll probably go with the AK FCG. same as the mag try to build it myself, but accept the possibility that if i can't get it working i'll just buy one and drop it in.
>>29697983
eh, i have to at least try. it won't be some groundbreaking leap in firearms technology, so if i fail the world won't be at too big of a loss.
>>29697994
I'd LOVE to see a cheap bufferless upper that didn't use some fuckery like the Serbu one does. I really want to see one of the RRA PDS carbine uppers torn down and detailed out. I don't know if they have any fuckery in the lower, seeing as they won't sell JUST the upper alone, I suspect they have something going on in the lower to make it work, or retain the action spring or something. A truly self-contained bufferless upper would open up a LOT of options for my design stuff. The Hanuman and the couple bufferless designs for the Charon are relegated to the ARAK-21 or CMMG Style .22LR conversions until something like that comes along.
>>29698039
That sounds like a reasonable plan. Leaving yourself an escape route is never a bad idea. I can't wait to see what you come up with.
>>29697748
So it is a 3D printer? How does it feed?
>>29698044
I heard a rumor that Palmetto state armory is prototyping an Alan Zitta LR-300 type long direct gas key upper and bufferless half bolt for release within the next few years.
>>29698044
>A truly self-contained bufferless upper would open up a LOT of options for my design stuff.
any ways to make that happen?
>>29698096
I assume you're talking about the Fabrisonic machine. What it uses are reels of metal foil that are fed over a sonication drum. This drum presses the foil onto the build plate or prior layers and does some witchcraft using sound to break down the oxide layer and weld it onto the surface below while under 4 tons of pressure. Basicaly just a big vibrating wheel with the foil tensioned over it initially, and then it feeds as it rolls forward, and it does this right next to the last strip to produce the required width. It really is some amazing shit to watch. You really should check em out on youtube. My description really doesn't do the machine justice for just how fuckin cool it is.
>>29698109
Oh that would make my cup floweth the fuck over. I've never been able to get my hands on one of the LR-300 uppers. They're always so goddamn expensive when I have the money to actually think about it.
>>29698125
Several, yes, but they all require milling, which ain't cheap. You're looking at, a minimum, a custom upper receiver, bolt carrier, gas block, and action spring. Doing all those things cheap would be a coup.
>>29698127
Wow...Thanks, that does sound bad ass.
>>29698150
It really, really is. Now consider that it can weld metals together that have no business being together. Aluminium/Copper, Cobalt/Titanium, and a whole list of exotic shit that I can't even fathom the price of. Words can't express how goddamn bad I want to get my hands on one of those machines and do some truly insane shit with different metals and configurations.
>>29698170
Just think of that and other 3d metal printing tech along with no firearm regs....Truly the sky and cost would be the only limits if they exist at all.
>>29698259
Not just firearms, anything mechanical. Conformal channels for hyper-efficient steam turbines come to mind as something that would really be fun to try.
Hell, just about any mechanical system could benefit from this. Imagine bicycle gears done with side plates of titanium with light aluminium filling the distance between so you get good linear strength without the expense of machining block titanium and half the weight.
Everything from the mundane to the exotic.
>>29698285
I would love to see mini ram/scram jets powered drones. Marco home rockets.
>>29698044
I think... Fuck it COULD be done.
Nevermind. Holy fucking shit, the one fucking time I'm happy Nutfancy is an autistic sperg.
https://youtu.be/2S7hQ9ggtw4?t=29m36s
This is the buffer tube.
http://d2pu9uhymo3xgc.cloudfront.net/media/1536699/x040411_si_rockriverpds_4978.jpg
Apparently they do some fuckery there so it is a proprietary system.
Doesn't mean it's impossible, just that they haven't addressed the issues yet.
Biggest being cost and difficulty to machine within the constraints of the AR15 receiver.
>>29698125
That's what I'm working on.
The entire assembly would need to be pretty damn beefy. That's the thing and issue. You beef up the upper and while working within the AR15 lower tolerances, you run into the same issues everybody else has when you run the sims, the stress on the lower can be too much.
The AR18 is also about .43" longer, and when you account for the added beef to keep the upper self contained, as well as all the other shit...
Yeah, it's a real pain in the ass.
One option is to move the front trunnion forward a bit to add the length needed and to increase dwell time, addressing any issues. Similar to what the ARAK did.
An AK system could work just as well, it's just that the parts might not fit well together and even then its very similar to the AR18.
I'm also walking a very, very, VERY fine line here, between opening my asshole to being shrecked by FNH, Faxon, Serbu even though they've yet to ship anything, as well as any other company that thinks they can get in on a piece of the action.
>>29698328
The motors aren't actually terribly hard to build as long as you keep thermal management in mind. The problem comes in when you start talking about Ram Jets is the start velocity required. Its TOUGH to get up that fast with something as light as a drone, even the large ones. I'm not saying it can't be done, or even won't be, but it'll be tough.
>>29698334
FUCK the big dogs. You design it, we'll put it in the pack for everyone to build. Even if they did try coming after you, all their shit is based on the AR-15, AR-18 or fuckin AK. There is no true innovation in rifles, and BARELY any in pistols these days. We're still running on cold war tech. Fuck them, fuck their patents, fuck their lawyers. Bring the shit open source so actual development can happen without the constraint of OMG PROFIT.
As far as the design goes, what all these designers seem to forget is that when you get rid of the need for the buffer tube, you've still got those big beautiful coarse threads sitting right there in the tower you can use. Just because you're going bufferless doesn't mean you couldn't put some sort of hydraulic buffer in the back of the bolt carrier, or a secondary spring to prevent high speed impact at the rear of travel. That's just what I'd lean towards anway. You might even see what you could do about putting something in the back of the upper as a soft limit to travel that gets progressively stiffer as the carrier presses on it under travel.
I dunno, lots of ideas, no implementation. Its something that needs to happen, and I hope someone comes up with something that works well enough to fill the void.
Olympic arms makes a buffer less pistol, as well as rock river arms.
ROBINSON ARMAMENT XCR FOLDING STOCK GLORY
Knight's armament, fuckery is probably involved
>>29698470
You are correct, Olympic Arms does make a bufferless pistol. I can't say I'm a fan unfortunately. We actually had someone build a charon bufferless years ago using one, and it was cool as hell but that upper was not the greatest.
>>29698430
>The motors aren't actually terribly hard to build as long as you keep thermal management in mind. The problem comes in when you start talking about Ram Jets is the start velocity required. Its TOUGH to get up that fast with something as light as a drone, even the large ones. I'm not saying it can't be done, or even won't be, but it'll be tough.
I will not lie the idea of a home made printed RPG with rockets is just too fun to think of and how much of a shit attack the left would have, I mean they get pissed about 3rd tech as it stands but they will stroke out in the comes years, thank god.
>>29698550
Shit rocket launchers are easy. Its getting them to go where you want that's the trick :P
Seriously though, rocket science is awesome stuff, and I just don't have the patience for it. People that turn nozzles at home have a level of patience reserved for watch makers and crazy people. I'd absolutely giggle myself stupid seeing a viable rocket launcher turned up on simple tools and a 3D printer.
>>29698541
Well now that is neat. Any idea what the cost is for the upper?
>>29698585
My bad, i guess it's proprietary
>>29698630
Fucking Knights. Of course its proprietary. Goddamned cunts.
>>29698630
But the dual piston is still really really cool
Damn war fairy this is awesome.
But what exactly does your satellite job entail and require you to be in the middle east?
>>29698585
>Shit rocket launchers are easy. Its getting them to go where you want that's the trick :P
>Seriously though, rocket science is awesome stuff, and I just don't have the patience for it. People that turn nozzles at home have a level of patience reserved for watch makers and crazy people. I'd absolutely giggle myself stupid seeing a viable rocket launcher turned up on simple tools and a 3D printer.
An infrared laser, seeking sensor on a head hook up to some servos in the fins and you would have a whole lot of nasty for cheap cheap cheap.
Only a matter of time..Maybe a ANFO based mix (cheap as shit and easy to make) maybe a senor for air busting...Those hogs will have no idea what hit them.
>>29698671
"God Damn RIch Cunts".
>>29698691
My job for the most part is to look after the various satellite links here at my site and make sure they stay up with 99.99% uptime. Basically just make sure the antenna stays pointed at the satellite and the generators stay filled with fuel, oil, coolant. That sort of shit. The fun part of my job is when people anywhere in the world have an issue they can't solve and I get to fly out, fix something, and fly back out. That shit is fun. As far as why I'm needed in the middle east, the pool of talent for this job isn't exactly huge and I'm one of a handfull with an Iraqi visa.
>>29698715
I can't recommend making warheads in the US. The paperwork is just such a pain in the ass. Now if you're talking about a downward firing pest control rocket, that you could have some fun with. Still gotta deal with the NFA and stay legal, but it could be interesting from a design perspective.
>>29698726
Its not even rich. The mother fuckers have the balls to say "built from the ground up". No you fuckin bastards, it wasn't. Anyone with even a passing understanding knows you built that shit on an AR platform and put juuuuuust enough change into it for the 10% rule to kick in for your patent.
>>29698771
That's awesome man. Sounds like a kick ass job
>>29698585
>>29698715
Turning heads has gotten piss easy. CNC lathes have made many of the difficulties, automated.
Biggest issues are weight distribution, the precise manufacturing of the fins because if they're off by even 1 degree, that can translate into being off by 20 feet at 200 yards, which is partially why the RPG has an effective range of 200 meters, with an accuracy berth of about 10 meters.
Make em as precise as you can, minus the electronics, and it doesn't matter if the first hits, the second, third, fourth... probably will.
>>29698430
I want something you'd be able to instantly slap on, no mess, no fuss.
But it's entirely possible to do what RRA did and instead have you torque on a proprietary buffer tube that'd have an alignment system and catch like on the AR18, so long as it's properly designed.
I'm also set on the dual return spring.
Thats the difficulty in choosing to go with an AK or AR18. A fucked up hybrid could work with a lot more thinking, the issue just then boils down to the bolt carrier which I think I could work out an AK, AR18, AR15 and RRA PDS sort of hybrid that'd resemble an AUG bolt carrier.
Whats the best program to open the files in/start trying out stuff for myself?
Also, any idea if there are VEPR-12 magazine files out there?
>>29698836
It pays the bills, but to be perfectly honest, the boredom most days is soul crushing. I miss the creature comforts like decent food, a real bed, a living area that isn't a tent, and intenet faster than a 56k modem. If it weren't for the money, I'd go home in a heartbeat. The days I actually get to do my job and fix things are the little bits of gold in the pile of monotony shit.
>>29698851
I like the idea of dual springs. You can use lighter springs to get the same effective rate but get some extra room for the cycling out of it. Just make sure you at least make an attempt to use easy to source parts wherever possible to keep your final cost down.
>>29698862
I am incredibly partial to Solidworks, which is readily available on your favorite torrent sites. The interface is as simple as it can really be for as powerful as it is, and with the power of youtube and an afternoon you can make some damned complex stuff right out of the gate.
As far as VEPR-12 magazines go, I've not seen any.
>>29698902
Solidworks it is. Could it be a simple matter of just using a 3D scanner on a VEPR mag to get the dimensions etc?
>>29698902
How'd you get into the field? I'm getting a CS degree and want to take it over there to do something
Oh shit. Nice to hear from you WF! Glad to hear things are going well.
I've heard this place is magical. Do you have instructions about machine guns in this DL? I've always been fascinated by them.
>>29698935
3D scanners, at least the ones that aren't brain bending expensive, aren't terribly accurate unfortunately. That being said, its been quite some time since I checked on them, so I may be wrong. If you can get a scan that is within 0.1mm on its measurements, you stand a good chance of being able to suss out what the actual measures for any given feature are.
Copying parts is kind of an art in and of itself, and is a kind of meticulous I just don't have the patience for. What you'll need is a set of nice calipers, radius gages, and a bottle of adderall. You're going to be meticulously reverse engineering the blueprint of the part, making sure you don't miss any features. Magazines are HARD to model, especially ones that don't use straight cylindrical lips. If there are complex curves involved, you're going to have a hell of a time getting it right.
>>29698947
CS will actually pay better in the long run. I am quite literally topped out in this field. There is no higher I can go. IT has a MUCH higher ceiling. Now, as for coming out here with a CS, you're going to need a few things. The first is a CCNA or higher. The higher the better. The second is you have to interview well enough for a company to be willing to foot the bill for a security clearance. EVERYTHING out here that deals with electronics is Secret or higher. Certifications are your meal ticket. Get em, keep em current, and get as many as you can.
As for how I got into the field, I joined the Army and went 31S, now 25S. In your case with the CS stuff, you'd want to go 25B, 25F, or 25N. The ONE good thing about joining the Army was the ease of getting the security clearance.
>>29699038
Drafter! What's up man! Its been too fuckin long homie. Still alive and kickin, and finally able to get my hands back into some CAD. Swing by the chat man, we miss you.
>>29699048
There are no machine guns in the pack. We agreed a while back to keep them away from the pack to keep the honest honest. That being said, a clever man has google.
>>29699071
I've been busy as hell. Lots of shit going on. Finished my CNC course and searching for a job at the moment.
Got a 3D printer sitting in a box waiting for me in Quebec. Need to go pick it up.
>>29699095
Go get it man! All the possibilities in that box and its just sitting! Glad to hear you got your course done, that's good stuff.
>>29699114
Can't afford the trip right now. Hopefully sometime in the next month or two.
>>29699124
Ahh, such is life
>>29698771
>I can't recommend making warheads in the US. The paperwork is just such a pain in the ass. Now if you're talking about a downward firing pest control rocket, that you could have some fun with. Still gotta deal with the NFA and stay legal, but it could be interesting from a design perspective.
Well they will have a hard time regulating as they are in the future, their is a push now to make DD and ammo cheaper to get over at http://www.reardenarmament.com/
>>29699168
Unfortunately I don't see the NFA getting changed any time soon, in any appreciable fashion. I'd love to see it done away with entirely, but c'est la vie. Have to work within the laws of the land.
>>29698851
I have always wanted to have rocket launcher with a rotary mag.
>>29698902
Can easy to use/free CAD software you command to a total newb?
>>29699212
Just go with SolidWorks, man. Trust me on this.
>>29699189
With enough lawyers and money you can outlaw sunlight.
>>29699219
How much?
>>29699212
Pirate solidworks. FreeCAD has the worst UI on the planet and the other free ones are even worse.
>>29699271
Fair point.
>>29699286
Seven thousand USD for the base version. Seriously. Pirate it. Fuuuuuuck paying that much unless you're using to to make a living.
But does the buffer tube break?
>>29699297
>B-B-B-BUT MUH LINUX SUPPORT!
:^)
>>29699200
M32 shooting mini 40mm RPGs?
Fuck man. If I make it big I'm applying for an FFL and going full fucking Kel Tec.
>>29699071
>We agreed a while back to keep them away from the pack to keep the honest honest
So you wouldn't be interested in models of fully automatic capable fire control group parts and receivers? Well, okay.
The future is mini CNC Machines or metal printers and blocks of aluminum billet.
not sintering or plastic printers
>>29699054
Awesome, thanks for the info man. I had applied to an internship at the CIA but after the in person interview I didn't get it, so I'm just trying to figure out where I wanna go.
>>29699310
Not anymore. We've done a shitload of bugfixes to a mind numbing number of the lowers.
>>29699314
Solidworks is good enough to have a windows partition.
>>29699331
I'm always interested in collecting strange and unique CAD and blueprints. If you've got something, I'd love to see what it is.
>>29699339
The reason I love the printers so much is that the barrier to entry is so much lower. Yes Grizzly makes mini-mills which are incredibly capable, but you're still looking at 600 dollars for the machine, plus 200 in tooling, and that's not even a CNC machine. You're hand jamming that bad boy, and complex curves on a manual mill are baaaaastards. CNC mills, even conversion kits, are still far too expensive for them to be wide spread.
>>29699351
I hope you find something you enjoy my man. IT will take you anywhere you want to go, and it isn't a skillset that's going away any time soon.
>decide to check /k/ on a whim
>glorious warfairy thread
Thanks to you, I'm halfway to my first printer. I plan on doing many a testing once I have the funds.
>>29699361
Hahaha, tell that to Duces. Or has he broken down and installed windows on his PC since last I was in the chat?
>>29699361
>I'd love to see what it is.
Well my original plan was to buy one of those white light scanners like https://youtu.be/fTCt6uA1NSs and using it to create quick 3D models of passed out drunk chicks so I could prototype fuckrobots with their faces and tits, but since I'm one of those 'revolution is just around the corner' guys I figured I would also buy some select fire kits and share them as well.
Think it would be sufficient for parts like that? I think I saw a fire control group or two in the pack already.
>>29699377
Nice digits friend :^)
Can we 3d print these next?
>>29699297
>Pirate solidworks.
Any good sites?
>>29699321
>M32
Yeah...Or maybe a rotary fed mortar.
>>29699361
>The reason I love the printers so much is that the barrier to entry is so much lower.
This, that and anyone can use it, just load file, hit print, order a pizza, and when you are done, its done.
>>29697579
Do you know if he did any tweaking or anything on that lower to print it?
I'm new to all of this, and I can't see myself understanding things enough to alter designs without fucking things up. Are there any other designs in the pack that are safe/functional as is?
>>29699526
People who are too fucking dumb to pirate software on their own don't deserve free shit.
>>29699805
No, just asking around as I can not afford to get a virus.
>>29700077
No, you're just a lazy bitch.
>>29700108
Yeah that is the main reason.
>>29699526
google is pretty solid
Wasn't there a 3D model of a milled AK receiver in the FOSSCAD pack at some point? Only seeing stamped in there.
Sorry for the delay guys. Had a teachable moment with some coworkers. BACK TO REPLIES!
>>29699377
Yesssssss, bask in the glory of the fairy!
>>29699379
Lol, you know he never will!
>>29699438
It may be, but I'd have to see the mesh quality. Mesh cleanup is the hard part of 3D scanners.
>>29699443
I sincerely doubt it, but there may be parts of it that can be printed.
>>29699526
Kat.cr is solid, as is the pirate bay.
>>29699593
It isn't quite that easy. You have to get the printer calibrated to within 0.5mm expected/actual to have a chance at a successful AR receiver print, with 0.1mm giving 90% or greater chance at success. Once you have that, you have to understand how to post-prep the receiver so you don't blow critical dimensions during support removal, preparation, threading, or any of the other processes that need done to assemble something into a functional machine.
>>29699750
Any of the AR receivers in the pack are going to serve you well the vast majority of them have been updated steadily for small bug fixes and service life improvement, and our latest ones have served well past 2500 rounds.
>>29700672
Don't know if we ever had a milled model. Sorry man.
>>29700721
Ah, bummer.
You guys should talk to the guy on AKFiles/Gunco that does the MG47 builds about getting his CAD files. He had said recently that it had run it's course and he was willing to give them away free, but judging by the fact he still has an AOL email it might be worth preserving them before he disappears.
>>29700804
If you wouldn't mind terribly much, could you swing by www.fosscad.org/fc/chat and PM me that email address so I can ask. I would appreciate it very much.
>>29700861
No problem, let me look it up.
>>29700909
Thanks man
>>29700861
Glad to see you're still alive and well
However, the sheer cost of making most of these things is silly
I wish some of the simpler designs were CAM drawings so I could stick it straight into a CNC
>>29700936
All you need to CNC mill any of this is toolpathing. That's going to be individual to the machine, so there's not a lot that could be done with gcode I generated for something on your machine. STEP and STL files are included for just about everything, so you can import direct into your favorite tool pathing software and pop out gcode as fast as you can designate tool changes and such. Keep in mind that they are set up for ABS, so they'll be wickedly over reinforced in aluminium.
Now as far as the cost goes, buying a printer capable of doing these prints is far cheaper than buying a mill capable of cutting them and the tooling required to do so. If you'd like recommendations for lower-cost printers that are still incredibly capable, let me know :)
>>29700936
Unless you're using something like the Ghost Gunner... That's not going to happen. Or, at least, not without tweaking it first.
There are a fuckton of settings to take into consideration. Even just basic shit like linear interpolation... If I G0 (which is how the machine moves around quickly when it isn't cutting) X+3" and Y+5", depending on the machine settings, it'll either go 45 degrees until it reaches the X+3 and then move straight up on the Y another 2 inches (which is the default and most commonly used setting) or it'll actually go in a straight line towards that coordinate. That doesn't sound like a big deal, but if it means that the cutting tool crashes into a clamp or something because of it, you're going to be fucking swearing up a storm.
The lathe I worked on at school, for instance, already does cutter radius compensation for you, so if I made a program and put a G41 or G42 in it, it just won't run. It'll error out and you'll have to dig through piles and piles of G and M codes to fix that shit. Not fun.
That's the main advantage of the Ghost Gunner. They are all set to the exact same settings. That's why it's more interchangeable.
What is difference from the last pack
>>29700936
>>29701025
On the subject of cam, any programs, tutorials you suggest for someone just getting started with a certification in solidworks?
>>29701706
Look at the change log, as a regular of the fosscad IRC, I can tell you there is a HUGE fucking difference between the 4.8 pack and the 4.7 pack.
WarFairy do you have an email I can toss a few ideas at?
Just a few ponders.
>>29701813
Also this image for reference to these parts.
>make a mold and encace the item, then melt it in an oven to clear the mold and cast in aluminum
>>29701745
>just getting started with a certification in solidworks?
Maybe take the class that you're supposed to take
>>29697121
>3d printed AK handgrips
lel what the fuck why?
>>29701847
We don't have a specific one at my college for cam
>>29702336
maybe go to a ommunity or technical college
What do I need to buy to print this shit /k/ommandos?
>>29702403
a 3d printer faggot
>>29702459
But point me toward which one white brother. Could I buy a ghost gunner printer and do it all? Do I need to metal and plastic cartridges like you would with ink or is there some kind of trick? How much does it cost in materials to make a simple gun like the liberator and how much for one of the more complex ones would you think? I'll gib you reddit gold
>>29702484
>But point me toward which one white brother
Do your own research
>>29702500
thanks anon, I'm sure you've never asked questions on /k/ before
>>29702484
>white brother
Stormfag please go
>>29702516
I do my own research on both simple and complicated shit
I ask questions when I can't find it on my own
>>29702484
Fine I'll spoon feed you.
A Wanhao i3 Duplicator is a cheap, large build volume and high quality FDM printer.
the plastic that these printers use is shit right?
They can't do advanced polymers like velcro.
I can't see this being useful compared with modern mass production.
3d printing has a long way to go.
>>29702573
>the plastic that these printers use is shit right?
For the most part
>>29702573
> velcro
god I'm an idiot I meant kevlar
>>29702594
I had to look it up to see if velcro was actually a polymer before an adhesive
And kevlar is weaved anyway
>>29702557
thanks brother
>>29702605
they can't do weaved (cross linked) polymers I'm guessing.
I remember from ochem they just burn rather than melt.
>>29702674
if you could 3d print kevlar, I think people would be making it that way instead of you know, the conventional, cheap, and commonly used way
Everyone thinks 3d printing is the greatest new thing to use in a production environment while ignoring the whole reason it's NOT used in a production evironment
>>29702519
>White supremacists shouldn't have 2nd amendment access
Nice one Hillary
>>29702554
Lie to me all you want but hopefully you aren't fooling yourself
>>29702742
no white supremacists should get the fuck off my /k/
>>29702742
>Lie to me all you want but hopefully you aren't fooling yourself
>HURR I WANT TO BE SPOONFED SO EVERYONE WANTS TO BE
Nice one Lib
![2016-03-14_102428[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Wg2XNAp.jpg "2016-03-14_102428[1].jpg")
>tfw only the lowers and barrels need to be registered in norway, once you have 1 lower you can have unlimited spare uppers for it.
ghost guns here we come.
about the mags, I read that the norwegian special forces tried 3d printing modifications and spare parts in the field.
and they made a 5 shot mag for the barret mrad.
also 3d printed titanium supressors
>>29697121
head's up lads, MEGA's going down soon due to no money
save what you can
>>29701838
Why not just print in water soluble material. Print it, cast a mold, then submerge it until the mold is clear.
>>29701856
So you can make a mold for other materials, presumably
>>29702742
>being a white supremacist
Gee thanks, now I'm not allowed to comment on black people or muslims or anything fucking shit up without being lumped in with you illiterate assholes.
>>29702573
>I can't see this being useful compared with modern mass production.
Nigga, it's a prototyping machine. You're not supposed to fucking use it for mass production. Like, what the fuck, you gonna make a brand new mold or some shit every time you fix a problem with your product? Fucking no, you just 3D print your shit until you finalize it then you go to mass production with it.
>3d printing has a long way to go.
Fuck you.
>>29704067
>Nigga, it's a prototyping machine
CNCs are cheaper to prototype with
There's a reason very few companies use 3d printers
>>29704083
>very few companies use 3d printers
You dumb motherfucker. First of all, 3D printing is additive production, CNC milling is subtractive production so it's two different fucking things right out the gate. Second of all, printers use a variety of plastics with different properties and attributes, you can't fucking CNC rubber for fucks sake. Like, if your shit isn't made out of wood or metal, you don't need to CNC shit. Finally, I can buy an 8x8x8 dual extruder printer for like $800. Actual CNC machines that can do more than fucking plywood are thousands. You can get a 12x12x16 for less than $3000 but a decent CNC for something that big would take your entire year's salary.
>>29704167
>First of all, 3D printing is additive production, CNC milling is subtractive production so it's two different fucking things right out the gate
And subtractive machining is much cheaper
>Second of all, printers use a variety of plastics with different properties and attributes, you can't fucking CNC rubber for fucks sake
If you're using rubber, use your rubber injection mold
>inb4 making the mold out of 3d printing first
Very few places do this
If you already have a CNC to mass produce with, use that for your prototyping, nerd
>You can get a 12x12x16 for less than $3000 but a decent CNC for something that big would take your entire year's salary.
>OH MAN COMPANIES CAN"T AFFORD TO MASS PRODUCE CAUSE THE MACHINES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE
>THAT"S WHY NO COMPANY OWNS THEM
How do you make magazine springs?
Do you make some sort of template guide with a slot cut around the edge to bend the wire into shape?
>>29704083
I work in production support engineering, and every company I've worked for has had a 3D printer.
They're fucking godly for tool design.
>Oh, Dave complained that the trigger on the new drills I bought was too stiff?
>Better just 3D print some new ones which you can grip with your whole hand
>Oh, the handle on a little slider thing's too hard to reach?
>Better just 3D print some new ones which pop out a bit
>>29704494
Until I went to college I had never so much as seen one
And I'd been in quite a few fab shops, aviation joints, and production factories
>>29704235
>And subtractive machining is much cheaper
You're saying a block of steel or aluminum is cheaper than a reel of ABS plastic?
>If you're using rubber, use your rubber injection mold
You need a model to make a mold in the first place, oh wait you inb4'd so I guess fuck that. Yeah, instead of printing out a piece in ninjaflex, just carve out a fucking perfect mold and dump in molten rubber I'm sure you have easy access to.
>OH MAN COMPANIES CAN"T AFFORD TO MASS PRODUCE CAUSE THE MACHINES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE
Oh I forgot companies don't care how much shit costs, silly me, woops. I had no idea every company in the world was fortune 500 and could just set money on fire at will. Fuck me, why don't we all just CNC plastic and shit.
>>29704536
And what year did you start college?
You realise that 3D printers are a fairly new thing, right? They're basically only a decade old in terms of regular usage.
>>29704551
>You're saying a block of steel or aluminum is cheaper than a reel of ABS plastic?
Being as that plastic spool is incredibly expensive and a 6x6x1 piece of aluminum can be had for under $.50, yeah
>>29697121
Would you recommend an acetone treatment for these items, or would any smoothing royally fuck them up?
>>29704083
>>29704235
You are literally fucking retarded
>>29704551
Dude, my community college just bought a 10x10x5 monstrosity of a CNC mill with every fixture known to man
They aren't that expensive
It was like $500k
>>29704235
It's pretty clear that you've never, ever worked in engineering.
>If you're using rubber, use your rubber injection mold
Injection moulds cost >$50k and are only for a single part. There's usually about a month or two lead time for getting the moulds made, too.
>If you already have a CNC to mass produce with, use that for your prototyping
Oh great, just hold up production because you want to make some tiny fucking shop aid? That'll go down great! I'm sure the business case for that one'll be really easy to put forward.
>>29697121
Nice to see you again warfairy
>download pack
>start looking over most of the non your shit guns
>everything I've opened the .stl files for is hand exploding garbage it'd take me 5 minutes in solidworks to design and draw
I was hoping fosscad wasn't as crappy as I remember, but it keeps to it's reputation.
>>29704567
>anyone on 4chan being old enough to go to college before 10 years ago
Everyone here is under8gb& didn't you know?
>>29704616
>Oh great, just hold up production because you want to make some tiny fucking shop aid?
>spending $50 in 3d printer plastic for a "shop aid"
>>29704585
>6x6x1 piece of aluminum can be had for under $.50
Oh good, a whole one inch thick. Also waste material and shit.
>>29704607
>They aren't that expensive
>It was like half a million dollars
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
>>29704633
$50 is fucking nothing, what are you on about?
Do you have any idea how much it costs to stop production for even a few hours?
>>29697121
How about a 3D printed quad rail?
>>29704642
>Oh good, a whole one inch thick. Also waste material and shit.
You can get any thickness for literal pennies when you buy it by the semi load
And what is recycling, Alex?
>>29704648
>$50 is fucking nothing, what are you on about?
Compared to a guy making it for pennies on a mill
And if you don't have extra time or an extra CNC for prototyping, then you're doing it wrong
>>29704633
>Nylon filament isn't being bought in bulk for 5 dollars a pound
>Implying you can't extrude your own plastic or just use a printer that uses beads that come out to a dollar a pound for regular old ABS and 2 for Nylon, 2.50 for aluminide
https://www.filabot.com/collections/filabot-core/products/filabot-original-ex2?variant=3635451076
>Meanwhile a 6x6x1 block of aluminum costs you 54 dollars plus shipping
http://monsterjaws.com/6-x-6-x-1-25-aluminum-standard-soft-jaws-for-6-vises/
>>29704689
>Just buy scrap material by the semi load!
>Who cares if your tooling cost half a million? The part itself is cheap!
It's so fucking obvious that you've never done a single day of engineering work that it hurts.
>>29704718
>vice jaws
>as raw material
Are you really this retarded right now
>>29704739
>>Who cares if your tooling cost half a million? The part itself is cheap!
>you aren't using the tools to make money
>you only bought a half million dollar machine to make that one small shop aid
Are all engineers this stupid?
>>29704633
>want a bowl of cereal
>out of milk
>go buy milk for $5
>LOL FAGGOT YOU BOUGHT A BOWL OF CEREAL FOR $5
You can still use the shit you bought for more stuff afterwards.
>>29704689
>And what is recycling, Alex?
So you're saying I should buy a fucking forge too so I can melt down this scrap metal? Or pay someone else to do it?
>Compared to a guy making it for pennies on a mill
Hypothetical question, but what if the shit you're making needs to be made out of plastic? What then, huh? I can use a 3D printer for metal because of sand casting and shit, but how will a CNC mill help me make plastic shit?
>>29697579
Of you ever have a free minute consider making a shell for a marigold glock frame kit so people no longer have to rip apart airsoft guns.
It would also let you work your magic and unfuck glock ergos like you did with that godtier beveled glock slide
>>29704642
>Oh good, a whole one inch thick. Also waste material and shit.
It is called raw materials, waste is a given. If you want to save the earth or some shit figure out how to stamp an AR reciever, or just build an AK.
>>29704769
>You can still use the shit you bought for more stuff afterwards.
You realize a spool of plastic is like $400, right?
And that's just garbage ABS
>>29704769
>So you're saying I should buy a fucking forge too so I can melt down this scrap metal? Or pay someone else to do it?
You send it in and get paid for it you fucking mong
>but how will a CNC mill help me make plastic shit?
Magically CNCs can cut plastic
I've made things out of wax blocks for prototyping, but your logic says that's too soft for it, so i guess I haven't
>>29704766
No, you aren't using the tools to "make money" (directly). You don't use production equipment for tooling, at least in lean eng.
Agile guys might do some shit like that, but who knows.
The fact is that big companies will usually have a dedicated toolroom, but it'll only have manual tools. There's a good reason for that - a CNC machine can cost half a million, but a regular milling machine is only a couple of thousand. In most cases, if you're a PSE designing things that need CNC machines to be made, you're probably designing them wrong.
Small companies will often have a single machinist with a milling machine and a lathe.
If for some strange reason you do need a CNC machine to make something, then you can just pay an external company to make it for you.
Now are you going to at least try and accept reality, or are you too stuck in your little fantasies of how the world works?
>>29704821
>Small companies will often have a single machinist with a milling machine and a lathe.
Except...that's what I've been saying the whole time
It's you or whoever I was responding to that was assuming the monster mill was only for making tiny bullshit
see>>29704083
Here I was talking about prototyping
You use the machine you're going to build it on to prototype so you can perfect the part
If you want some bullshit dildo shaped broom handle, by all means, use a manual lathe
>>29704783
I'm not concerned with saving the earth, I'm concerned with money lost from unused material. Not to mention fuckups. A printer fuckup costs however much wasted material is printed, a CNC fuckup can cost the price of the entire block I started with.
>>29704790
>You realize a spool of plastic is like $400, right?
what
>>29704810
>You send it in and get paid for it you fucking mong
How about instead of wasting material, collecting it all, and fucking mailing it to someone for a few cents back I just don't waste material in the first place?
>Magically CNCs can cut plastic
I didn't think anyone was retarded enough to think buying big blocks of plastic for milling was smarter than just printing the shit out. Not to mention if you're CNC milling you have to have 100% infill which is even more wasted material. If I'm making one of those molds you have a boner for, I can use water soluble material at like 5% infill and it uses almost no material whatsoever.
You still haven't answered my question about how someone is supposed to prototype with ninjaflex of HIPS with a mill.
>>29704903
>I'm concerned with money lost from unused material
As a machinist, the amount of scrap that gets sent out of the shop I work at is astounding
And we have a fuck huge shop
It's irrelevant
>>29704898
Wait, are you seriously saying that you can't differentiate between a milling machine and a CNC mill?
Tell me anon, what field do you work in where everything is done with CNC? You don't have to be specific, just a general industry.
Oh, you mean that you aren't even an engineer? You're just some stooge on the Internet who's never even seen a CNC machine in his life?
>>29704898
The fuck are you even talking about.
>>29704917
>It's irrelevant
Not to me
>And we have a fuck huge shop
I don't
>>29704937
>Wait, are you seriously saying that you can't differentiate between a milling machine and a CNC mill?
I never said that
I said prototype on CNC, make your one off shit on a manual
>Oh, you mean that you aren't even an engineer?
I love how smugly "superior" all engineers are when they talk about their field like they know anything about actually running the machines
>>29704966
>my situations is all companies situations
Stop projecting
>>29704972
No, I have a huge amount of respect for the machinists that I work with.
But you aren't a machinist, you're just some stooge on the Internet.
>>29704821
Broham you can get a professional level 5 axis CNC mill/lathe for around 50 grand. A hobbyist level cnc mill capable of handling non ferrous metals and limited steel costs 3-5 grand, at the most around 10. No one uses manual Mills for anything anymore besides holdouts and hobbyists. I have a buddy with a metal mill you could slap a CNC converter to and he'd be able to crank out the PLASTIC parts he uses it for autonomously, but he does just fine doing it freehand because he's a hobby machinist
>inb4 REEEEEE
All the shit they use for your precious 3D printing is just a single axis cnc mill with and extruder instead of a router attached to it. You can build a single axis CNC mill for under 300 dollarydoos capable of doing everything a high end 3D printer can do only do it faster and make a plastic component that won't immediately shear at a mold line. Deal with it that 3D printing is really only good for rapid prototyping and making neat shit. You could make a heat resistant nylon version of any gun in the Fosscad pack with a single axis router CNC mill in under an hour of run time, versus a final product that is inherently weak as fuck after 3 days of printing.
>>29704994
>HURRHURR UR DUM CUZ U DUNT LIKE MY COCK SHAPED BRUM HANDLE
3d printing for random shit is stupid, expensive, and any serious shop with real upper management doesn't do it
End of story
>>29704972
>I love how smugly "superior" all engineers are when they talk about their field like they know anything about actually running the machines
Well who the fuck are you. Also, what actual point are you trying to make? You just keep incoherently rambling about CNCs and shit.
>>29704988
>This factor isn't important, period
>I find it important
>Well you don't count
I'm saying that what you're saying doesn't apply to everyone, that's why I specified "not to ME" and "I don't"
>>29705008
>you could slap a CNC converter
It's called a Conversational mill and not all mills can take them
>>29705008
Don't get me wrong, I'm not 3D printing everything. It's only like, 5% of the stuff that I get made.
But as far as CNC tools go, 3D printers are far, *far* more common (in my field) than CNC mills. If someone said "We're getting rid of the tools in the toolshop to replace them with CNC", they'd get laughed at.
But hey, maybe your field is different. I work production support in aerospace, what do you do?
>>29705052
>You just keep incoherently rambling about CNCs and shit.
>oh man he called me out for being a smug asshole on the internet
>better say he doesn't have any point to make
>I'm saying that what you're saying doesn't apply to everyone, that's why I specified "not to ME" and "I don't"
You're the exception, not the rule
>>29705055
sounds to me like you're an awfully different shop from the norm being as aerospace is a fairly niche field compared to 99% of production
Not even these guys, but if you're claiming that your production is somehow relevant to average production factory work, you're not very smart
>>29705118
I'm not designing aerospace parts, I work in production support.
Please don't comment on things you don't understand.
>>29704662
I have no idea where I saw this, but somebody 3D printed rails, and they ended up just not being very durable. I dunno, maybe the folks here could work their 3D design magic and overbuild them.
>>29705156
>I work in production support.
So you make one off this as tools for them
Sounds even more niche to me
>>29705163
things*
Come back when you make actual productions parts, or engines, or pistons, etc
>>29705163
>Niche niche niche niche niche
Please tell me what this "generalist engineering which represents what everybody is doing" looks like.
>>29705179
>Implying you've ever done anything remotely like that
>Seriously claiming that engineering isn't engineering unless it's your preconceived notion of what other people are doing when you've probably never even seen them work
>>29705081
>oh man he called me out for being a smug asshole on the internet
>better say he doesn't have any point to make
What? All I'm saying is I don't know what reality you're living in when the problem of 'oh shit I need a plastic widget by this afternoon' is solved by a half million dollar computer controlled mill and a miraculously already finished injection mold.
>You're the exception, not the rule
If there are exceptions, it's not a rule. "Everyone thinks this" falls flat when you immediately receive "I don't think that" in return.
>>29705195
>engineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineeringengineering
>OHYOURENOTANENGINEERLOLYOUVENEVERMACHINEDBEFOREEVENTHOUGHIHAVENTIVEJUSTWATCHEDIT
Seriously you're a broken record
>>29705223
It's because it's true.
You are not an engineer. You are not a machinist.
You are very clearly not qualified for this discussion, and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Just stay in school and leave the big kids to do our work, okay?
Maybe one day if you work hard and keep an open mind you'll be able to do this stuff for real rather than just in your imagination.
>>29705223
>Keep saying dumb shit
>Keep hearing the same argument in return
>Completely refuse to acknowledge argument
>Resort to the 'call him a fag' fallback
Wow I have genuine trouble wrapping my head around how amazing a non-argument that was.
>>29705197
>I need this one widget by this afternoon!
Outside of your specific field, that simply isn't what anyone fucking does or asks for. How do you not understand that?
In every field, but the specific part of aerospace that you apparently work in, use 3D printing for rapid prototyping
IE "I need to show some dumbass suit what the widget looks like even though we have all these 3D renderings of it and tested the shit out of it in solidworks/whatever and already know it works"
>>29705259
>You are not an engineer.
Correct
>You are not a machinist.
Incorrect
My brother next to me who is also a machinist who just got a job at a large shop is completely baffled by how fucking dumb you are
They make molds for aircraft bodies and if they need to prototype stuff, they make it out of plastic ON THE MACHINE
>Printing is expensive
~my brother the machinist
>Just stay in school and leave the big kids to do our work, okay?
There's that smugness again
Reminder that no one likes a smug asshole and you'll go nowhere in life
>>29705315
>but the specific part of aerospace that you apparently work in
That's the other guy.
>use 3D printing for rapid prototyping
Yeah, I like 3D printing. I was the guy who started this whole retarded argument with the "CNC mills are magic and can do anything" guy.
>>29705351
>my brother the machinist
Oh well that's proof then isn't it. You remind me of those kids who said their dad works for Steam and will get me banned for calling them on their shit.
>>29705315
There are multiple people in this discussion.
He is not the same person as me.
He's probably working in a completely different field to me, and a completely different field to what you imagine yourself to be working in.
You've got some pretty interesting ideas about how engineering works, though.
>>29705383
>Oh well that's proof then isn't it.
>I'll just say he's wrong because I don't want him to be right
![V__FC22[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8Ofv4Jt.jpg "V__FC22[1].jpg")
>>29705473
forgot pic
He works in a prototyping shop
Yes, he never uses your one off special snowflake shit AND he does nothing but prototyping
>>29705473
>UFOs are real and aliens have visited us
>No, that's not true
>He's just saying I'm wrong because he's scared I'm right
No, I'm saying you're wrong because "I'm right" isn't a qualification.
>>29705524
see>>29705512
Eat my anus
Here's my fucking around on the spare conversational we had
>>29705552
oh, so you fucking around is qualification, got it.
>>29705552
And here's a UFO that was outside my house today. So I guess you have to believe aliens have visited and any other shit I might feel like saying about aliens.
![V__D63E[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DQd37SH.jpg "V__D63E[1].jpg")
>>29705552
oh and here's another pic my brother just sent me
Quote from my brother
>I had 4 "engineers" in my class who had no idea what they were doing when it came to actually machining so they had to take the machining course
>oh, so you fucking around is qualification, got it.
>oh man he got me so good I better say what he posted doesn't matter
>>29705586
lick my butt
>>29705596
yeah well my friend is the president of ford and he says you and your brother are full of shit, so that means I win
also
>asking family members for help when losing an argument on 4chan
>>29705629
>implying my brother didn't walk up on me and start reading
>implying you're not still wrong
Accept defeat gracefully "engineer"
>>29705644
but you haven't defeated anyone. Though you have succeeded in making us (at least me) pretty buttmad, So if that was your intent, good job.
>>29705644
How can I accept defeat when you haven't actually made any points? All I've seen so far from you is:
>My brother totally knows what he's talking about
>Shut up you big meanie
>You're just saying I'm wrong because you're stupid, not because I haven't backed up literally anything I've said so far
I literally do not know what point you're trying to make. I saw you arguing with another guy and noticed you were behaving like a retard and I called you on it.
>>29705694
Well good, because you've finally come to realize 3d printing is a meme and only used in niche environments
>>29705709
>I'll just ignore his pictures and call him retarded!
~u
>>29705745
>I'll just ignore his pictures and call him retarded!
You ignored my UFO picture
>>29705596
>Quote from my brother
>>I had 4 "engineers" in my class who had no idea what they were doing when it came to actually machining so they had to take the machining course
As an engineering student I showed up at the door with 4 years of CNC milling, 3D design, and a cert in mastercam from highschool. My freshman year I was working a robotics competition project with seniors, months from graduating, who didn't have ANY skill in machining or prototyping and could barely use solidworks. The fact that your average engineer is a greasy Indian/n33t robot with the ability to do calculus but not the ability to design their way out of a paper bag is why I changed majors after I got my associates.
Leave it to /K/ to derail a thread with their fucking autism. Who gives a fuck about CNC vs 3D printing, this is a 3D printed guns thread, and if you don't like 3D printing guns then GTFO of this thread.
>>29705709
And you've yet to prove 3d printing is used outside your little aerospace "production support" workshop
Not even that guy
>>29705781
>As an engineering student I showed up at the door with 4 years of CNC milling, 3D design, and a cert in mastercam from highschool
Wow a useful engineer for once
I'm glad you're not all fucking retarded
>>29705792
>your little aerospace "production support" workshop
I don't have a little aerospace "production support" workshop, wrong guy asshole.
>And you've yet to prove 3d printing is used
Go on youtube, search 3D printer, and congratulations you've found video evidence of 3D printers being used outside the aerospace field you fucking retard.
>>29705832
>Go on youtube, search 3D printer, and congratulations you've found video evidence of 3D printers being used outside the aerospace field you fucking retard.
Wow congrats on completely ignoring the point and making your own argument to defeat
Go play in traffic
>>29697121
Yaaaay! A fookin' WarFairy thread!
>>29705856
the second best non-argument in this thread, I am dumbfounded
>>29705910
>it's been used so that means its used in mass production!!!!!
~u
>>29705946
Nobody was ever claiming that 3D printing is used in mass production.
Hell, nobody even fucking does "mass production" any more unless they're either living in China or have a mental disability.
>>29705946
You dumb nigga, I specifically said that you aren't supposed to use 3D printers for mass production because they're prototyping tools.
>>29697261
>A rounded Glock slide
Can you see into my dreams?
Be still my throbbing cock.
>>29705976
>>29705986
Okay, my bad
>it's been used so that means a majority of companies prototype with it!!!!!
Back that statement up
Protip: You can't
>>29706003
>it's been used so that means a majority of companies prototype with it!!!!!
I never said that either.
>>29706023
So then I'm right in saying that 3d printing is a meme used exclusively in niche markets and isn't useful to the mass majority of the world
I'm glad it took 100+ posts to figure that out
