Why do you need an AR? No, I'm not one of those idiots who want to ban them. I just don't understand what purpose they serve. They are not especially good for hunting, self-defense, or target competition, and they are rather expensive for plinking.
>>29576046
>.223
>expensive
Okay bud.
>>29576046
Why don't we talk about this over a drink at Applebees? Where it's ALWAYS happy hour.
>>29576046
I understand what you're saying, so read this
>>29576046
>They're not good for hunting
Good enough to hunt humans
>>29576091
Fucking bravo to that guy, I'm saving that.
>>29576078
Not the ammo. The gun itself. If you want to plink with .223, there are cheaper options.
>>29576046
As far as I'm concerned, it's my right as a citizen of the United States to own one, so yeah. I want one, so I should be allowed it for the most part. I don't judge all guns I purchase on practicality, if I did I wouldn't own half of them.
>>29576046
>Not good for competition
Lurk moar
>>29576091
BASED
A
S
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>>29576308
A gun is a tool, and every tool must serve a purpose. It's your right as an American to have anal sex (Lawrence v. Texas), but that alone is not a reason to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ternps0JFwo
>>29576091
That actually raises some good points, but they don't apply to the vast majority of AR owners.
>>29576339
I said not ESPECIALLY good. Don't misquote me. I have seen purpose-built target competition rifles, and they look nothing like ARs. They are almost all bolt-actions with heavy laminated stocks, bull barrels, and triggers that break at less than a pound, often only a few ounces.
>>29576270
When why ban the gun if there are more available options
>>29576397
Ar15
Prone - w/sling & jacket
100yrds
Handloads
>>29576414
I'm not one of the people who wants to ban them. If you are looking for logic in the gun-grabbers' reasoning, you are wasting your time.
>>29576091
>ifunny
so close
>>29576397
>Look up the Hurst doubles match at Camp Perry
>Most shooters use AR15
>Has to be identical in appearance to service rifle with 4.5lb trigger minimum
200yrds off hand
300yrds rapid fire prone
600 slow fire prone
Eat a dick nogunz
>>29576430
That does not impress me. Purpose-made target rifles will put all the bullets in the same hole.
>>29576046
>Need
>>29576500
But of course they do. The rules of the competition limit what guns they can use. Look at competitions where shooters can use whatever they want, and you will see the target rifles I described.
>>29576046
Because they're fun and it makes people mad that they exist.
>>29576605
So you're saying that they are very expensive toys?
>>29576046
I bought one because I wanted to.
Its the same reason why I bought a workbench last month.
And a pair of pants before that.
I could go on ad nauseum, but i won't.
Because, in the end, I live in a free country where I am under no burden to justify any of my expenses to an anonymous poster on a Himalayan sheep shearing forum.
>>29576046
>Why do you need an AR?
>>29576046
>They are not especially good for hunting, self-defense, or target competition
Non-AR owner here. OP, you're a fucking faggot, and i'll explain why
You use the general term "AR", without specifying a caliber (There's more than .223/5.56, dumbass), and then say it's not good at hunting, self-defense or target comp
Also, you're a double-faggot for trying to say they're not good a target competition. You go watch some three-gun shit and tell me how many fucking AR's you see in the course of one day. I bet there's one for every competitor.
>>29576633
A workbench serves a purpose. It holds your tools off the ground so you can work standing up. Pants serve a purpose. They keep your legs warm and keep people from seeing your underwear. What purpose does an AR serve that another gun wouldn't serve better.
>>29576642
>You use the general term "AR", without specifying a caliber (There's more than .223/5.56, dumbass), and then say it's not good at hunting, self-defense or target comp
Because I wasn't referring to the caliber. I was referring to the action. The action is neither especially accurate nor especially reliable. I know from experience.
>Also, you're a double-faggot for trying to say they're not good a target competition. You go watch some three-gun shit and tell me how many fucking AR's you see in the course of one day. I bet there's one for every competitor.
Probably because they have to move through the course and a true target rifle would be too heavy to carry.
>>29576046
>good for hunting
depends what you're hunting
>self-defense
actually a good option for self-defense. less likely to penetrate walls and injure bystanders
>target competition
depends on what kind of competition
>plinking
plinking is about fun, not necessarily price
>>29576046
>Why do you need an AR?
why do you need to question my rights?
>>29576046
>why does OP have to be such a cock gobbling faggot?
>he must like choking on bags of dicks
>>29576721
>I know from experience.
Nah you're full of shit, and this is coming from an AK guy.
I'm not going to say they're super-fucking-sniper-accurate all the time, but based on what my friends' cheap-ish ones can do, I'm going to say they can be pretty damn accurate, especially if you're smart about choosing the right barrel
(Not to mention there are accurized target barrels available)
I seriously never thought I would have to defend the merits of my least favorite design from some bonehead like you.
>>29576046
>Need
"All they need is bread and water."
-Joseph Stalin
>>29576046
>target competition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzK6kGwo70M
Keanu would like a word with you
>They are not especially good for hunting, self-defense, or target competition, and they are rather expensive for plinking.
The ignorance is astounding.
>>29576573
>>29576397
ahem.
they're the rifle of choice in 3gun as well.
>>29576831
"All you need is love"
-Some Gay Jewish Cuckold
>>29576721
ARs are about the most accurate semi-auto rifle out there. and by far the easiest to make accurate.
>>29576397
>and they look nothing like ARs
What the fuck does 'look' have anything to do with it?
The only qualifier for a "target rifle" is the ability to get good groupings.
>>29576046
>Why do you need an AR?
i like them
>I just don't understand what purpose they serve.
multi-purpose
>They are not especially good for hunting, self-defense, or target competition, and they are rather expensive for plinking.
they are extremely good for all those things
>>29576046
>Need
>>29576782
I didn't. Why do you lack reading competition?
>>29576747
>hunting
For hunting any North American animal big enough to yield a worthwhile amount of meat, a good bolt-action will shoot more accurately and more reliably than the AR. Also, given that ARs are usually chambered in .223, a good-bolt action will have much more stopping power.
>muh overpenetration.
Any caliber able to kill a man is able to penetrate drywall.
>plinking
You can have just as much fun with a cheaper rifle.
>>29576904
>You can have just as much fun with a cheaper rifle.
how poor are you?
>>29576846
>.223
>not enough stopping power
Do you even hunt nigger? Unless you're going after moose or bear you don't need anything more than .223, and you can even kill them with it if you place the shot well enough.
>>29576904
this is what I get for responding to bait
>>29576904
>Also, given that ARs are usually chambered in .223, a good-bolt action will have much more stopping power.
Why are you assuming that any random bolt action is going to be more powerful than 5.56?
You realize they make bolt actions in any chambering under the sun, right?
>>29576904
Funny how the AR is the weapon of choice for most feral pig hunters in the states.
>>29576933
>>29576955
>>29576966
This is a good thread. Very good numbers.
>>29576846
>The ignorance is astounding.
This. OP is totally a stupid fuck.
>>29576046
>They are not especially good for hunting, self-defense, or target competition, and they are rather expensive for plinking.
they are especially good for hunting certain animals, and although not the best choice for others, will work just fine. they are one of the best home defense rifles available on the market today. theyre plenty accurate. and .223 is like 22 cpr.
what version of reality do you live in?
>>29576046
I need one to make people like you uncomfortable.
They serve the purpose of having fun.
They're fine for hunting up to medium sized game, they kill people good, and accurized versions do well in matches.
Most of your problem sounds like it lies with the .223 round itself, which you should probably figure out for yourself.
Name an inherently more accurate semi-auto in the intermediate caliber range that doesn't cost more than $1000 to make/buy.
I also live in CA, so just having my ghost gun is my way of giving the state the middle finger.
>>29576904
>bolt actions are better
What are follow up shots? Are you really this much of a fudd?
>>29577049
>What are follow up shots?
Not him, nor a fudd, but ideally you shouldn't need follow-up shots.
>>29577072
you shouldn't need insurance either.
>>29577072
Against an animal sure, but guns aren't just for hunting.
>>29577035
>>29577035
>I need one to make people like you uncomfortable.
I think OP is just stupid, not an anti-gun bitch.
>>29577072
>everyone everywhere is only shooting at deer or other herbivores from medium distances
>>29577091
Notice how I said "ideally". Shit happens, and I understand.
>>29576824
A good bolt action will almost always be more accurate than an AR.
>>29576831
At least bread and water serve a purpose.
>>29576843
>>29576851
See >>29576721
>>29576879
And the type of rifles I described get the best groupings.
>>29576933
Is that why .223 is illegal for big game hunting in jurisdictions that require a minimum caliber?
>>29576966
I said a good bolt action. If you don't know what that means in the context of hunting, take 7mm-08 as an example. It has far more energy than .223.
>>29576967
Because they are rednecks trying to shoot as many swine as possible. They don't care if they gut-shot swine or wound them and have to shoot them again. They don't even eat the meat. They just want to get rid of the swine.
>>29577049
>What are follow up shots
Unnecessary with a sufficient caliber. Usually impossible anyway because the animal starts running. In the unlikely event that a followup is necessary and practical, it can be done very well with a bolt action in the hands of someone who knows how to use it
If by a fudd, you mean someone who doesn't love the right to bear arms, then I am the opposite of a fudd. If you mean someone with a modicum of hunting knowledge, then yes.
>>29577091
Not sure what animals you're referring to, but even lions are hunted with bolt actions, so I can't imagine there's anything in North America that would make a semi-auto necessary.
>>29577087
No, he's one of those "why do you NEED" pricks. The same kind that thinks he should be allowed to do whatever because he's a special and above the requirements all us plebs should live by.
>>29577104
>Not sure what animals you're referring to, but even lions are hunted with bolt actions, so I can't imagine there's anything in North America that would make a semi-auto necessary.
>pig and coyote dont exist
>lions arent usually taken by a guy with 1-3 backup shooters so he doesnt get mauled
>>29577104
Idiot. They hunt big game and dangerous game like lion with very high caliber high pressure cartridges. I guarantee any of them who'd ever been charged at would prefer to also have quick follow up shot capability.
>>29577104
>They just want to get rid of the swine.
GEE, THEY WANT TO GET RID OF DESTRUCTIVE, INVASIVE SPECIES? YOU DON'T SAY!
Holy flying fuck you're dumb
>>29577085
ATF pls don't come and shoot my waifu.
>>29576046
But AR15s are great for hunting, self defense, and competition.
>>29577104
>I said a good bolt action. If you don't know what that means in the context of hunting, take 7mm-08 as an example. It has far more energy than .223.
So "good" was supposed to imply a powerful chambering?
And what if I'm hunting squirrel? Would .22 LR not be "good" enough?
They're fine for hunting, although perhaps not for clean kills. I don't know anything about hunting but I know that if you absolutely need to kill something to eat an AR will probably get the job done.
They're fine for self defense, no worse than any other military style rifle. Almost no one buys an AR for self defense, although a .300 Suppressed pistol would be a nice trunk gun heh.
ARs are a popular choice for certain competition styles, because there are such a multitude of off the shelf drop in upgrades for them
As far as I am concerned, as an American Citizen, it is your duty to own an AR-15, it is the ubiquitous symbol of standing up to tyranny and exercising your rights. It's not a question of why you should own one, and more a question of why shouldn't you own one.
>>29577104
how is a 3gun AR not a "true" target rifle? they have the same stainless barrels from like Bartlein and Douglas and other top tier barrel manufacturers.
>>29576270
the guns themselves are cheap as fuck
you can get a complete ar for 500 yeah it will be shit but name another 5.56 semi auto under 800
except for the mini and some aks which top out around 1k most other 5.56 are in the 1.5-2k range like tavors,sig,aug,fn 2000 etc
>>29577104
>Is that why .223 is illegal for big game hunting in jurisdictions that require a minimum caliber?
>he actually believes the people who make the laws know jack shit about firearms or ballistics
indiana just allowed rifle cartridges and .300 is one of the allowed cartridges. just .300. not .300 WUM, or .300 blackout, or .300 H&H. just .300
>>29577149
Can't help but feel you shouldn't brag about your ghost on taiwanese mud flinging instructional sight
>>29577200
Wait, I'm Indiana, so what does it mean?
>>29577203
I was just kidding about the ghost gun. You've seen the video, I'm sure.
It's actually a Spike's lower, double cocks and all.
>>29577218
Second Regular Session of the 119th General Assembly (2016)
PRINTING CODE. Amendments: Whenever an existing statute (or a section of the Indiana
Constitution) is being amended, the text of the existing provision will appear in this style type,
additions will appear in
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Additions: Whenever a new statutory provision is being enacted (or a new constitutional
provision adopted), the text of the new provision will appear in
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Conflict reconciliation: Text in a statute in
this style type
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between statutes enacted by the 2015 Regular Session of the General Assembly.
HOUSE ENROLLED ACT No. 1231
AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning natural and cultural
resources.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana:
SECTION 1. IC 14-22-2-8 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE
AS A
NEW
SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE
UPON PASSAGE]:
Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting
season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January
1, 2020.
(b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt
deer subject to the following:
(1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned
land.
(2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16)
inches.
(3) The rifle must be chambered for one (1) of the following
cartridges:
(A) .243.
(B) .30-30.
(C) .300.
(D) .30-06.
(E) .308.
(4) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for
the rifle while hunting deer under this section.
good fucking question. these are the people that pass your laws
>>29577104
>illegal for big game hunting in jurisdictions that require a minimum caliber
not in my state
but try again
>>29577132
I have personally hunted swine with a bolt-action, and I cannot see how an AR would have served me better. I have also seen a man single-handedly stop a charging lion with a bolt action.
>>29577145
But of course they do. That's why they don't care if they their weapon is too underpowered to kill with one shot or too inaccurate to avoid gutshots.
>>29577190
Have you ever seen a target rifle built to get the tightest groups possible? I have. They are so heavy that holding them for longer than a few minutes is painful. The barrels are nearly as thick at the muzzle as they are at the chamber. The stocks are huge pieces of laminated wood. They really are built like tanks.
>>29577155
Here are my exact words:
>For hunting any North American animal big enough to yield a worthwhile amount of meat
Do you really eat squirrels?
>>29577188
Then put me in prison for dereliction of duty.
>>29577235
I meant referring to California law. Sorry I didn't get it. You're gonna have to remind me about what video
>>29577258
>I have personally hunted swine with a bolt-action, and I cannot see how an AR would have served me better. I have also seen a man single-handedly stop a charging lion with a bolt action.
>moving the goalpost
>actually arguing that follow up shots arent an advantage while hunting dangerous game or culling multiple nuisance animals
>>29576046
I live in Europe, 5 years plus or minus a year and the place I live in will look like frigging Afghanistan. Including all the family blood feuds, shooting, IEDs and other stuff.
They already started raping little boys because women stopped going outside.
>>29577200
>the wildlife division doesn't know shit about the effect of certain calibers on large game
>yfw they do this shit for a living
Sit the fuck down Internet operator.
AM I BEING DETAINED
Faggot
>>29577258
Different anon, but I've taken down dozens of Louisiana whitetail with at TC .223. It's not even a bolt gun either.
>>29577245
Duuuuuuuude! I CAN USE MY .308?!?! I don't know they'd expect to enforce these regulations, but I am so fucking excited. I hate bp and shotguns for any real range. And also, of course politicians wouldn't actually know anything about the laws they make. That'd be too easy
>>29577258
>That's why they don't care if they their weapon is too underpowered to kill with one shot or too inaccurate to avoid gutshots.
I think if it were underpowered, it wouldn't be used as much as it is.
Dumbfuck.
>>29577309
see
>>29577245
you retard.
they literally dont know that there are a dozen or more calibers that will fit under .300
>>29577266
Don't worry, hopefully based Moonbeam Jim will strike down the bills that are slated to come around, if he hasn't done so already.
Here's the classic gem right here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0
>>29577297
>having to shoot follow up shots
True hunter right here guys!
Go train at the range kiddo.
>>29577258
i have seen a benchrest railgun and F-class rifles. have you seen the rifles they use in the Precision Rifle Series?
there's always going to be a balance between portability and pure accuracy. the AR might give up some of the pure accuracy from a railgun, but it's an accurate semi-auto rifle that's used because of its accuracy for competition. you don't see (competitive) AKs, Tavors, SCARs, ARX's, Rugers in 3 gun because they simply aren't as good.
>>29577104
>Is that why .223 is illegal for big game hunting in jurisdictions that require a minimum caliber?
You actually care about hunting laws on your own land?
WHEW
If you kill it butcher it and cook it on your land they ain't gonna know shit.
>>29576046
>an AR-15 is bad for home defense
so if you had a Remington 700 in .270 and an AR-15 and some red guard invades your house youd choose the bolt gun?
>>29577353
>Hunting feral piggu
>[insert stupid mistake here]
>Wild piggu charging
>Take one shot
>Minimal effect
>OH MAN FOLLOW-UP SHOTS ARE FOR FAGGOTS TIME TO PACK UP
>>29577353
>continuing to move the goalpost
>cant admit that bolt actions are outdated and that there are applications for which an AR is far superior
but im sure youve never so much as missed the 10 on a target, hot shot
>>29577352
Oh okay. I thought you were referring to your specific rifle. That's why I was confused. That video was half rage half gold. Thanks for the reminder
>>29577378
Faggot. Those laws are in place to protect wildlife populations.
You are cancer in the simplest form. Bet you poach you irresponsible faggot.
>>29577297
>actually arguing that follow up shots arent an advantage while hunting dangerous game or culling multiple nuisance animals
Nice strawman. Let me let you in on a secret: you can have a follow up shot with a bolt action. I've seen it done on lions.
>>29577320
Just because lots of rednecks do something doesn't make it a good idea.
>>29577317
yeah, im kinda pissed they didnt just go by muzzle energy or something. such a bullshit list of fudd cartridges though. luckily theyll never know im taking my enfield.
>>29577420
not if you're using a push feed action.
>>29576046
I'll have to tell all the guys I shoot 3-gun with that our rifles aren't especially good.
>>29577420
>strawman
you clearly dont know what this means. saying an ar couldnt have served you better is the same as saying follow up shots are not an advantage
also
>putting your health or life in the hands how quickly you can cycle a bolt under stress
>>29577419
Laws requiring a minimum amount of stopping power are for protecting wildlife populations?
>>29577432
They do in Scandinavia.
>>29577450
False.
>>29577460
What does especially mean?
>not good for hunting
What is coyotes, prairie dogs, hogs, foxes ect.
>not good for self defense
Yeah sure k m8
>or target competition
Lmfao where can I buy what you're smoking?
>rather expensive for plinking
I can go to Walmart right now and buy a $500 AR, and 20 boxes of .223 and walk out of the store with a little less than $750 worth of stuff, the only thing is the ammo which can be had in bulk or reloaded for incredibly cheap, not to mention it is one of the most common cartridges is the US. I don't even care if this is bait, I'm bored as fuck so here's a reply.
>>29576078
>Buys .223 caliber AR
kek
>>29577477
>you clearly dont know what this means. saying an ar couldnt have served you better is the same as saying follow up shots are not an advantage
No, it isn't.
>putting your health or life in the hands how quickly you can cycle a bolt under stress
If it's good enough for lion hunters in Africa, then it's good enough for anything in North America.
>>29577482
What does especially mean?
>>29577420
>Just because lots of rednecks do something doesn't make it a good idea.
>Implying everyone who hunts feral hogs is a redneck
>Initiating a bullshit stereotype for absolutely no reason
So if you really hate AR15's more than I do, what else do you hate?
>>29577479
don't you know that if you're not using a Mauser-style control feed action on your dangerous game rifle you're a faggot?
in fact, why aren't you using a properly regulated double rifle? the fastest shot is another gun with the same trigger.
peasant.
>>29576046
They're good for self defense, good for eliminating invasive hogs/coyotes/varmints, and they're one of the most accurate semi-auto rifles available today.
Are we seriously going to debate the reasons why semi-auto rifles are useful?
>>29577501
>No, it isn't.
yes, it is
>If it's good enough for lion hunters in Africa, then it's good enough for anything in North America.
i thought the point of the thread was that you claimed ARs arent particularly good at anything? why is it ok for a bolt action to be "good enough" for a situation where your life is on the line but its not ok for an AR to be just "good enough" for applications without any significance to your well being?
>>29577405
Different anon. It's not sportsman like to shoot at game with semi auto. Theres laws in place to even the playing field for the animals. Could we eradicate every species in the woods with our guns and technology today? Semi autos, electronic calls, bait, etc. Sure. But Its takes away the meaning of the sport and the spirit as well. Why do you think people bow hunt? Sure they could just magdump a 30 rnd mag of 556 into whatever with a thermal optic, but wheres the sport in that?
>>29577514
CRF is a moot point. Push feed works just fine.
>>29577509
I did not say that. I myself hunt feral hogs, but I do not use an AR.
>>29577501
>what does especially mean?
In this case it had absolutely no impact on anything I said, it performs fine in everything OP mentioned. Are there rifles that do better, obviously, but an AR isn't bad or even just decent at any of them, it's pretty damn good for all of them.
>>29577550
>why is it ok for a bolt action to be "good enough" for a situation where your life is on the line but its not ok for an AR to be just "good enough" for applications without any significance to your well being?
>>29577555
Push feed is susceptible to double feeds in a panic. If you're hunting dangerous game in Africa without a double rifle, you're a peasant. If you're hunting dangerous game in Africa with a push feed rifle, we might as well prepare your obituary, peasant.
>>29577551
i hunt primarily with bow and a .54 cal traditional muzzleloader. i get plenty of sport from that. if i want to go into the woods on my property with an ar and kill every nuisance animal in sight with a tacticool AR, thats my right. that being said, when youre only after a single animal in a day, semi, bolt, single shot, or even black powder make little difference if youre even a decent shot.
>>29576357
True but I feel that this is a representative of, while maybe not a majority, a lot of people
>>29577544
But not especially good for those purposes.
>>29577569
Especially means more so than generally. I never said the AR couldn't do those things. What I did say was that it was the wrong tool for the job.
>>29577575
Probably because they don't make safari-caliber rifles in semi auto.
>>29577593
Push feed rifles cannot double feed after firing. They double feed only when loading a round into an empty chamber.
>>29577555
>I did not say that. I myself hunt feral hogs, but I do not use an AR.
So what's your opinion on other popular semi-auto rifles?
>>29576454
I know it's not mine but I saved cuz it works
>>29577647
>Probably because they don't make safari-caliber rifles in semi auto.
which is why they usually have backup shooters
>>29577647
A peasant doesn't understand why the wealthy buy the proper controlled round feed rifle in case their inferior guide "short strokes" and induces a double feed. They guard against all eventualities.
>>29577647
what rifle would you suggest for 3gun shooting instead of an AR?
>>29576904
.223 can kill deer, pigs, and a variety of pests and especially coyotes
>>29576046
All these replies to a garbage thread the only answer to op is because we can and we want to. Nobody cares about your experience or your opinion. Here's your (you) faggot.
>>29577647
>Probably because they don't make safari-caliber rifles in semi auto.
You want to bitch about the American Rifle #15, then fucking talk about North America, and not the massive shithole that is Africa.
No one gives a fuck about "safari calibers" you cuck. I'll safari my dick in your butt if you bring up fucking Africa one more goddamn time.
>>29577624
True, but given the chance at a shot at 250 yards for an elk, would you choose a bolt 30 06 or a semi 556.. just my opinion, a well placed 30 06 is more practical, more ethical, and more sportsman like than 4 "okay" placed 556 shots. As far as your land, this is america son, do as you please, but for game hunting, theres a way of doing things, and then theres THAT way of doing things.. think of.. respectful hunter who takes his time on his shot and gets a clean kill in one shot, vs that group of mexicans who shoot at deer with an ar then chase it with a handgun magdumping it like cod.. fuck im buzzed just rambling now.
>>29577647
>what I did say was that it was the wrong tool for the job
And what I said is that it had absolutely no bearing on what I said, it performs well in all of the things OP listed, there's literally nothing he said that an AR will not work well in. It's not the "wrong tool for the job" when it works exceedingly well at what it does.
>>29577755
unless you hunt with a howitzer, a perfectly reliable one shot drop is impossible. there's always the chance that game can move at the last second, or the bullet was just made slightly differently, or a sudden gust of wind, etc. that throws your shot. and even then, sometimes game doesn't want to drop right there and you gotta track a wounded animal into the woods.
so while i personally wouldn't chose a 5.56 for an elk, i wouldn't chose a pointless long-action .30.06 cartridge either for barely-above .308 ballistics. you're .308 a shit, you're .30-06 a plus shit
>>29577258
Yes eat some fukkin squirrels, just like my brother always says, "Goddamn these tree niggers taste just like chicken"
Seriously just try it.
>>29577755
>True, but given the chance at a shot at 250 yards for an elk, would you choose a bolt 30 06 or a semi 556.. just my opinion, a well placed 30 06 is more practical, more ethical, and more sportsman like than 4 "okay" placed 556 shots.
i didnt say to use inhumane rounds on animals far too large for their weight nor did i say you should knowingly place bad shots on an animal you knew you couldnt put down with one shot. i simply said that quick follow up shots are always an advantage. if it were a choice between a semi-auto 30-06 and a bolt 30-06 i would say whichever you are better with.
>>29577706
Short stroking doesn't cause double feeds. It causes failure to extract.
>>29577721
So can a spear, but it's still the wrong tool for the job.
>>29577742
The point wasn't about safari hunting. The point was that a bolt action can give a follow up shot just fine.
>>29577790
It is the wrong tool for the job when there are better tools available.
>>29577258
To be totally honest, raging rednecks would never use a gun Thad underpowered. They literally only use overpowered guns
>>29577839
>>29577797
Don't let perfection be the enemy of good.
>>29577810
Not enough meat to be worthwhile, but if I ever decide to eat a squirrel, I won't be killing it with an AR.
>>29577797
My 30 06 has killed many a deer. You a shit
>>29577857
just saying you can do better than .30-06 these days, and be prepared for followup shots.
>>29577864
so has .30-30.
>>29577419
How does the caliber you shoot an animal with affect the populations dipshit?
>>29577857
>Don't let perfection be the enemy of good.
>literally making an argument that directly contradicts the original argument of your thread
>>29577871
Eh I've used it for years, used to the feel, the kick, and love the 180gr sps. You could give me a brand new whatever with the best ballistics for deer and more accurate blah blah but I'd still probably shoot better with my old 30 06. Think i have some fudd in me.
>>29577501
HEY DUMBASS IN AFRICA THEY HAVE FIVE GUYS BEHIND THEM WITH GUESS WHAT? SEMI AUTO GUNS. THEY RARELY TAKE A FOLLOW UP IF A FUCKING LION IS CHARGING. THOSE FUCKING NIGGERS WONT LET YOU DIE. THE TRACKERS TAKE THE FOLLOW UPS. Now to be fair, the trackers guns aren't ARs but they are semi auto nonetheless
>>29576573
Of the kind you described, sure? But of actual competitions that real people enter, the vast majority of competitions do not use those special guns, nor do those special guns so much else well.
>>29577839
>you don't need to own a jigsaw when CNC machines exist
>>29576046
>They are not especially good for hunting, self-defense, or target competition, and they are rather expensive for plinking.
Wrong on all counts.
Ever tried "plinking" with .243 Win or fuddy ought-something?
Those rounds are fucking expensive, not like military calibers.
>>29577035
Am I just crazy, or is that magazine loaded backwards.
>>29577072
Too bad this is real life.
It's a fantastic jack of all trades master of none.
I don't have the space, money or inclination to have a master of everything so I own an AR.
The rules for the largest shooting competition in the USA require a service rifle, the AR is the best of the service rifles for that competition. The rules of that competition were formed before the AR was designed so it's not a competition based on the AR at all.
Best all around / Not great at specifics
Cheapest all around / Except for .22LR
Best for largest competition in USA / Not best for largest competition in Europe
Sound fucking perfect for the armed citizen.
>>29577977
>>29577977
it's an HK, that's normal.
don't question the kraut space magic
>>29577959
.243 isn't that punishing. more than .223, but not bad.
barrel burner, though.
>>29577959
>go to range
>be next to fudd blasting away with his fuddy-ought-dicks
>he wastes box of ammo in no time
>goes into store
>gets another 2 boxes
>comes back
>bitches to me about cost per round and shit
>wahwahwahitssoexpensive
>i politely say that maybe he should shoot a cheaper gun, like an AR
>he loses his shit about muh designed to wound and muh no power
>I leave
every time.
>>29577988
>>29577994
Somehow this doesn't surprise me.
>>29577072
Ideally, your in a situation where you can control every single aspect of every moment with a firearm. In reality, you can miss, or there can be more than one target.
>>29576046
Built mine for a little over 500. Anyone who buys instead of build is dumb.
>>29576046
You're wrong on all counts, but that doesn't really matter.
>muh rights
>not called the bill of needs
>because murika
>come and take it
>eat shit commie
Etc. Etc.
>>29577742
>This based anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY
>>29576046
Shit OP. Fine I will let you see the words. I suppose I don't NEED an ar. I also don't NEED my ak. I also don't NEED my shotgun but do you know why I have them? Because its the United States of fucking America and one of the many great things about this country is this amazing thing called being able to have the option of owning one and not being told I can't have one by a cuck like yourself. Its America and I have the option to have one and if you don't like that then stop worrying about it or move the fuck away to commiefornia or damn new york where its less likely you'll have to encounter one.
>>29576046
>I just don't understand what purpose they serve.
Home defense, small to medium game hunting, target shooting, competition shooting, the list goes on.
>They are not especially good for hunting, self-defense, or target competition, and they are rather expensive for plinking.
This is all 100% wrong. even a nasty ass 500 dollar walmart AR15 is sufficiently accurate enough to hit a torso sized object at 450 meters in open sights, and 5.56 and .223 are perfect for rabbits, coyotes, wild boar, and if you're a good enough shot that you know you won't be torturing the animal, deer.
A carbine length, or even just a 16inch AR are perfect for home defense, and I would take that, or an AK pattern rifle over any other rifle.
refer to my earlier comments for your bullshit about it not being """""""especially""""" good for competition. What is "especially" good doesn't fucking matter, and is completely irrelevant because those alternatives are even more expensive than a really nice AR in 5.56, which completely nullifies your last point, which i'm about to attack right now.
AS I SAID EARLIER, even a nasty ass 500 dollar AR from walmart is pretty accurate due to the inherent accuracy of the platform, and like i said it's pretty fucking cheap, the same price as a new glock. 5.56 and .223 are NOT expensive, even compared to 7.62x39, 5.45, and other assorted rifle calibers.
tl;dr, FUCKING KILL YOURSELF OP YOU PIECE OF BAITING SHIT
>>29578139
What's your build Senpai?
>>29578202
this has to be the same fudd troll from the other threads, i swear.
>>29578611
Gets absolutely BTFO and then leaves. No doubt dude, it's one guy. Not sure why someone didn't just make a comprehensive post refuting anything he could say at the beginning of the thread and wasting a lot less time.
>>29577839
So if bolt actions are just as effective as ARs then what's the problem?
>>29576046
Home defense.
Yes, I'm serious. Police departments are going away from pistol caliber SMG's and going to short barreled rifles chambered in 5.56.
It's a 55-62 grain bullet and that lightness makes it less likely to over penetrate and even break up when it hits the wooden frame of your wall.
This, combined with the ease of follow up shots from the light caliber and the high capacity makes the AR a ideal home defense weapon.
>>29576270
Ars are 350-400$
>>29576091
I'm a lefty and bolt actions are just fine.
I would even say that I prefer a right handed bolt when prone.
>>29576046
Nobody with an AK needs an AR.
