Why aren't fighter subs a thing? Serious question.
>>29561806
No, this is not a serious question.
That thing looks like a concept from Star Citizen.
Why aren't bomber subs a thing?
Why aren't their planes that can submerge?
>>29561821
Why not? You could deploy them from a bigger sub and they would be a lot harder to destroy.
>>29561846
You know there's nothing on Netflix when you're watching SeaQuest.
>>29561861
they already do that
they're called torpedoes
>>29561847
Normal subs are basically bomber subs, I'm talking about small fast subs that could be used to destroy other subs or surface ships
Bumping for interest.
>>29561806
Japan tried them with the midget subs, but they didn't work too well.
What would be the space ship equivalent of a submarine?
A space ship that operated near event horizons?
>>29561868
I don't know much about this but aren't torpedoes pretty inaccurate and if you know their coming you can just move out of the way
>>29561880
You're a fucking moron.
>>29561806
eventually there won't be a reason for manned anything, itll all be drones and missiles
>>29561913
Good discussion great response
>>29561911
You are aware that there has been advances in guidance since the 40s, right?
Why aren't drone subs a thing? They could cruise around nuclear subs extending their sensor range and going kamikaze if need be.
>>29561911
Seems like it'd be straightforward to add a guidance system
>>29561806
Pitiful range and armament. Not to mention very limited depth being able to attained with a design like OP before it collapses from the pressruation
your dad should of pulled out OP
>>29561921
Shit threads like this don't deserve real responses. If you're willfully ignorant of even the basics of naval warfare and you're too lazy to even wikipedia anything, then you don't deserve to be taken seriously.
>>29561922
I was not that's why I specified that I don't know much about this.
>>29561911
Are you a 12 year old who has been playing too much of that "atlantic fleet" game that's set in WW2?
>>29561941
Yet here you are responding. :^)
>>29561910
A space ship with radar stealth and internal heat sinks, like the normandy from ME, but stealth in space is pretty much impossible with current technology.
>>29561961
>unironically falling back on 'jokes on you, I was only pretending to be retarded'
>>29561910
Is it even possible to do anything near an event horizon? It was my understanding that they warped space-time so badly that getting any closer than a couple dozen AU mean learning what it feels like to have your body ripped to atoms.
>>29561972
>not even having to pretend to be retarded
If a submarine was a woman, what woman would it be?
>>29562052
>>29562052
Probably your mom because she's a hollow tube that likes to go under and is full of seamen.
you need to stop watching Blue Submarine 6 OP
>>29561910
>What would be the space ship equivalent of a submarine?
This guy
>>29562156
I don't even know that that is
>>29561964
>internal heatsinks
this is the most shit idea ever
Question
Let's say you're in a submarine interceptor(submarine fighter) and you are going 60 knots. You launch a torpedo that goes 45 knots.
What happens?
>>29562212
Its the only way to hide a heat signature without using handwavium.
>>29562237
It goes at 105 knots until you catch it up.
>>29562212
No it isn't, you store and insulate the heat to prevent a heat signature. Then you release it when it's safe to do so.
>>29562237
>>29562282
>underwater warfare is literally holding in farts
>mfw Down Periscope was right
>>29561880
because propulsion, weapons, sensors to even find a target and little things like the life support systems take up space and generally need people to man them
the USN has the Los Angeles and Seawolf Classes for fast attack subs if they want to harass other subs or surface ships
also making them so specialized would make them pointless
>>29562237
Better question which direction are you and the torpedo going?
>>29562237
It doesn't leave the tube and gets reabsorbed into the hull.
>>29562052
Honestly, parallels can be drawn between sub's and just about any woman.
>expensive
>high maintenance
>I don't have one and probably never will
>>29562282
>mass effect plz go
Honestly, i could stomach all the spess magic in those games, but that shit triggered me
>its stealth because we just swallow the exhaust heat guize
>>29562299
OP here, Thank you very much that's all I wanted to know
I am in fact retarded
>>29562282
What method of propulsion are you proposing that doesn't generate heat, or an amount of heat that could be stored without what amounts an AC unit that doesn't become the whole ship?
>>29562300
Both the same direction, tube is forward facing
>>29562331
You're not retarded, just ignorant. Ignorance can be cured :^)
>>29561865
You have to admit that genetically modified super soldiers with natural camouflage was a good idea. Too bad they were retarded.
Gods, though.... that show was shit.
>>29561996
from what i've read the event horizon is that line, on one side you're ok and can look at the weird spacial distortion but cross that invisible line and you'll be trapped by the pull of gravity
will falling into the "black hole" you get all those weird time dilatation things and gravity will do weird things and start to pull things apart
of course you wont notice the warping of time because you wont be able to compare it to someone outside of the pull
apparently if someone outside of the event horizon watched you cross over they would see you stuck hanging in space
>>29562131
#shots fired
>>29561806
They are a thing. Nobody seriously pursues the concept because nations that make good shit can afford the real deal.
>>29562321
>>29562348
It's literally storing heat and releasing it later, it's not that complicated. Yes, it'd be a lot of heat, but it's not infeasible, and iirc, the experimental system they use can only store it for a short while.
Also
>>29562348
It's literally science fiction magic you dip shit.
>>29562348
You do realise AC releases heat right? What you're saying is straight-up retarded.
>>29562399
was about to say this
AC is just moving the heat somewhere else
Does anyone know the underwater speed record? How fast could a sub go before it tore apart?
>>29562348
The system that the Normandy uses in the Mass Effect is only possible because of "mass effect" fields generated by a fictional substance called element zero. The game's lexicon pretty much straight up admits that the system is impossible without their local bullshitium to bend the laws of physics but they at least went through the trouble to recognize that fact.
IRL there is absolutely no way to employ "stealth" in any meaningful context to an outer space context. Any "stealth" spaceship is only possible using fictional substances.
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect.php
"As of 2013, the Voyager 1 space probe is about 18 billion kilometers away from Terra and its radio signal is a pathetic 20 watts (or about as dim as the light bulb in your refrigerator). But as faint as it is, the Green Bank telescope can pick it out from the background noise in one second flat."
>But what if I turn off the engine and cruise to the target!
Nope. Doesn't work. You'd still need to have energy going to support life and computer systems and that is also detectable.
>>29561847
Some crazy Russki thought that submersible planes would be a good idea back in the 1930s. The resulting monstrosity wasn't tested until after WWII and the results of the testing were never released to public, with the project finally being canned in the early '50s.
>>29562478
The Soviets had subs so fast NATO nations had to develop faster torpedoes.
And they were made from titanium.
And they had escape pods.
I'm kinda jelly.
>>29562568
They were cool, but they were reeeeeeally easy to spot.
>>29562626
This is true.
Are there different types of torpedoes for subs as opposed to surface vessels?
>>29562703
Nobody in the know is going to give you a direct yes on this, but I've seen many mentions of some kind of secret submarine weapon by people in or close to subs on this board. If I have to guess, I'd guess it involves a novel, near-silent propultion system.
>>29562399
>>29562413
Aw. Fuck. I've been leaving my AC on with the doors and windows open for years hoping to offset global warming a little bit. It's been super expensive, too.
Oh well. Better get back to writing this comment on how HK pistols are better than Glocks.
>>29562563
aka a lot of people died trying
>>29561910
Stealth in space would be impossible since no matter what, your ship would stick out like a sore thumb against the near absolute zero of space.
>>29562742
So... Stealth-pedoes?
Bitching.
>>29562478
In the mid-60s there was a US Navy "x-sub" program called SAILFISH. The fastest sub they tested could sustain ~85 knots and fire torpedoes out the sides and rear.
>>29562812
I tried to find a picture of pedobear dressed like a ninja to make a witty reply.... but I was disappointed :(
>>29562812
That's what I'd guess. Normal torpedoes are close range weapons because they are both slow and loud, relatively speaking.l, but very lethal. So any super sekrit torp is probably going to attempt to dramatically improve either stealth or speed, if not both.
>>29561806
They used to be. Japanese midget subs, for example.
>>29562906
Looks like an underwater version of a baka bomb, which I'm sure they had.
>>29562916
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten
Range. Small subs won't be able to carry enough for a long mission. They could work as part of a coastline defense system, but would likely only slow and not stop an invading fleet.
>>29562825
I made this up. I'm all for trolling, but some of you fucks will actually believe shit like that and then go misinform others (like you did with the VP9).
Impressive
American discussion like this clearly shows the Chinese advantage when it comes to common sense. Truly the reason why China is an economic powerhouse.
>>29563100
>>29561806
Attack submarines are fighter subs.
>>29562790
1. Freeze exterior ship surface to 2.7 Kelvin.
2. ...
3. Profit!
>>29563077
Did you happen to also make up a top secret torpedo?
>>29562478
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa-class_submarine
>>29562568
The Alfa was essentially blind at speed though. You could do some neat dash and drift stuff, but that would leave you vulnerable to SSNs and SSKs.
>>29562131
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>>29562052
Natalie Wood
>not launching your boats into space
>Marcy Playground's face when
>>29562399
Then we just need to give the ACs their owninternal heatsinks as well. Duh. This isn't rocket science.
>>29563529
>hey guys lets make a space combat cartoon
>ok, what are the ships like?
>lets make the main ship look like a nip ww2 battleship that did fuckall and got sunk while trying to beach itself
>>29563175
What about all the electromagnetic radiation from operating the ship?
How are you cooling the ship that cold without a massive (magical) refrigeration unit on board that is generating a ton of heat?
What about engine exhaust?
>>29562299
>half a thread of retarded replies
>finally one clear reply
Literally everyone above this reply actually has no clear idea why there are no fighter subs and just wanted to act clever
>>29562762
Not unlikely. It's obscure enough now that there's not even a Wikipedia article about it.
>>29561945
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>>29562089
Hey cool, I've never seen this photo of the X-32
>>29563886
Not even that fag, but are you really this bored?
>>29561880
Because you can slap a couple of tubes on a speedboat and make a hundred of them instead of one of those.
This actually happened and was so effective that they had to create an entire class of ship just to deal with it- the destroyer
>>29563791
Now for a better question.
Why aren't carrier subs a thing?
Not like one that launches fighters or fighter subs. I mean a sub that goes dark and deep, rises to a safe depth and starts spewing seaman.
Surely there's still a use for frogmen.
>>29561964
>>29562175
>>29562790
My guess is that unless we develop some shield generator technology like Star Trek or Star Wars it would be effectively impossible. But even that requires sci-fi levels of tech.
That said, people in 1000 AD would think we were living in a sci fi book, so who knows if it will be solved by 2500 or 3,000
Why aren't space shuttle subs a thing? Go as far up or down as you need and can kill anything, it would literally make everything else useless as it's perfect.
>>29561806
Yeah, I happen to agree with you because a smaller sub that can out manor torpedoes and other sorts of anti ship devices would be invaluable.
Theses would need a dock, like a sub carrier because being small and not much air or power for long range missions.
>>29561911
Go watch Hunt for Red October and see what torpedoes can do today. And even that movie didn't show you everything.
Torpedoes are reliable underwater as heat seeking missiles are in the sky, and ships are no where near as fast. In fact to torpedo is faster than most ships.
>>29563611
Famous last words.
Oh, To be on the losing team. WW2 Ships in space win the War.
>>29564076
Holy shit this. I only said torpedoes were slow relative to frikking missiles.
Sup /k/, hypothetically speaking if two men spotted each other, one carrying an SKS and the other an M1A and had a gun fight. Who would win?
Suppose this encounter happened in a wooded area during day time and the distance between the shooters are 300 yards away. No abnormal weather conditions.
>>29564191
The one with better training
>>29562352
Fuck you season 1 was awesome
>>29561910
A ship with internal heat sinks, a very fast reaction drive system to change course rapidly, and paneling that projects ambient light around itself.
We're comically close to having something like the Klingon cloak even in our current era. I would imagine by the time space combat becomes feasible it'll be damn near impossible to track a ship in space, unless you're looking for like... gravity displacement based on mass, or something. Ie: Detection technology probably 100 years more advanced than what we've got now.
>>29563708
>How are you cooling the ship that cold without a massive (magical) refrigeration unit on board that is generating a ton of heat?
Just put radiators of refrigeration unit on the back side shielded by ship hull from observer.
>What about engine exhaust?
Mmmm. What about it? My engine shoots nanosize solid inert particles with 2.7K temperature as propellant mass.
>>29563611
But it didn't just look like the Nip battleship, it was the Nip battleship.
>>29561927
neat idea but in practice anything that extends your range is likely to make noise, or the transmission back to your sub can be detected... this gives other subs in the area knowledge that something is out there... better to be quiet.. not transmit, and listen... rather than coming up with drones that extend your listening range you just get better primary sensors... towed sensor arrays are a thing as well...
>>29561847
ANON! this is a sfw board!
>>29564136
>no step
Jesus someone has done this before
>>29565412
Strikes me as the sort of thing they'd write on every missile that isn't pointy. Because if they didn't, someone would.
>>29562385
It's infeasible. The heat will find a way out. Always does, always will.
>>29566090
And every action has an equal or opposite reaction.
*But you can delay the reaction.*
That's all you need.
>>29563886
With the amount of shitposting dickheads on this board why would you take the time to have a go at someone who is at least trying to start a discussion? Even if you think they're stupid. Also OP is being pretty upfront about not being familiar with the topic.
>>29562385
>it's not that complicated
You have not taken a course on thermodynamics.
It is impractical, meaning that it is not something which would actually work, meaning that it can't be done. it can kind of be done, but that's not good enough, considering the topic.
>>29563100
>>29564011
i didn't knew how much i wanted this
just imagine it like when you crush those huge ass spiders and a shitton of baby spiders start running everywhere
>>29561911
The. Modern torpedo is more closely related to a drone then to anything else.
They are equiped with sonar and advanced conputers, wire or optical fiber guidence , can decern targets from decoys, have ranges of up 50km , and speeds of 35-50kts.
The russians have developed an unguided underwater missle that has a top speed of 200kt (102m/s) and a range of 8km. That torpedo could cover that 8km range in 79 seconds.
At closer ranges ( 1-2 km) it is doubtful you could detect the torp, react, issue an order and sufficiently manuver the boat out of the way in the 20 seconds you have, before being hit.
>>29561806
Modern torpedos are not derpy. They have all the guidance and capability of any missile, that means they can chug out of a sub at low speeds, and then move to intercept as needed. I guarantee there is no manned mini sub smaller than a torpedo, and mass vs mass, the torpedo is more agile and more explosive.
Source: I spent seven years as a tail gunner in a submarine, continuous deployment. When I saw the sun, I felt free, but when I saw my first tamagotchi, I wept, and knew we were in a golden age.
The concept is cool, but that's just it. Mini subs like in Atlantis and Pegasus Prime aren't practical, and if they become practical they'll be drones.
>>29562790
What about with vantablack?
>>29561910
The Normandy SR-1, basically.
>>29561880
>I'm talking about small fast subs that could be used to destroy other subs or surface ships
Those are called fast-attack subs. They exist. As opposed to boomer subs, which are, indeed, bomber subs.
>>29571390
I also thought of this, but I don't think it would help with EM emissions, heat, or thrust detection.
>>29571812
Great movie, pity it never got a sequel
>>29567767
>defending retards with no common sense
>>29561937
>should of
At least he isn't illiterate.
>>29562282
I have a question.
Theoretically, is it possible that the heat you produce be recycled into energy?
You could just store the heat inside, insulated so none escapes (no signature) and then heat->energy
Obviously we currently don't have a way to do this. I'm just speculating here
>>29575469
>Theoretically, is it possible that the heat you produce be recycled into energy?
There are already things that function off of body heat.
>You could just store the heat inside, insulated so none escapes (no signature)
Doing this with people would kill them, we have to maintain a very narrow temperature range, so both prevent heat from escaping the surface would our skin to freeze and having the heat built up would kill us.
>and then heat->energy
It is so little energy, it's not even worth it. By any means.
>Obviously we currently don't have a way to do this. I'm just speculating here
I mean, we kind of do. You just wear a suit that takes the heat coming off of you and converts it to electricity. We do do this, it's just not worth it. And the insulation part is even easier, we absolutely have suits that can prevent heat from escaping (though not usually completely).
tl;dr We total can do and do what you're talking about, it's just absolutely not worth it and impractical.
