What are some of your ideas on new ammunition?
Please include purpose, and potential advantages/disadvantages.
Also, is there any programs out there where one can easily make an accurate illustration of a hypothetical/potential projectiles case dimensions and so-on.
>>29537457
Use a CAD software like software, make a side profile and make a revolved boss around your y axis.
>11x39mm
>>29537605
Good suggetion.
Straight-walled? Or Bottle-necked?
Cause 11x39 sounds bbbbrrrutal lol
Would you design it as a intermediate rifle cartridge? or would you put it in a strange Beefy SMG format, as almost a "HSMG" with single/3rb/full auto capabilities?
.30 carbine compacted down into a smaller case. Higher pressure, same load.
>>29537728
the m18 variant of the .30cal is a high-pressure +P style round. Why not just use that?
.50 GI, upped to .45 super pressure levels, necked down back to .45.
>>29537788
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Super
??
Just with the GI rim, but why?
>>29537749
It's tapered, it's ambiguous about if it's a rifle or handgun round, if it was shorter, it would fire better from a shorter barrel, if it was not tappered, it would stack better. yeah, so also permit somewhat larger or pointier bullets.
>>29537809
Bit of extra power.
Or maybe upped to .40 super or .40 S&W pressure levels?
>>29537457
5.7FN de-necked up to 6.8mm.
Mainly for pistols.
>>29537457
>Also, is there any programs out there where one can easily make an accurate illustration of a hypothetical/potential projectiles case dimensions and so-on.
The closest thing I can think of is Action Quake.
A .223 swift with an M855A1 penetrator. I want to see if it could defeat level 4 plate.
>>29537812
excellent description, what do you think its main purpose would be?
Increased power in a pistol sized firearm?
Like .32acp but slimmer and with more balls.
>>29537844
Sounds like a decent idea, but .40 is already quite snappy, so that would have to be a pretty heavy framed pistol.
>>29537852
this makes me think ofthe B&T 6.5x25 CBJ used in the TP9. But 6.8x28 would be a HOT fucking round.
Reminds me of the prototype SCAMP round. it was a 5.56x29.
>>29537912
check out the .223 wssm.
This with a steel pen, or a full steel core would be abso-fucking-lutely disgusting.
Id also like to see it in a fragmenting format.
>>29537921
fucking stupid 4700fps round.
Video of it hitting melons like a freight train, and damn near vaporizing them, even though its only 50gr.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsxXfGHlgUA
>>29537921
The sad part is that the wssm only gets around 100fps more with a 60 grain bullet like the one found on the M885A1
>>29537973
bullet weight plays a substantial part. needs to be slightly heavier with a longer case.
Like 85gr with a 5.56x60 but in a WSSM shaped case.
Bitch would be banging.
Motherfucking laser.
>>29537996
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the wssm be extremely difficult to use in a self loading rifle? like wouldn't you need a huge feed ramp.
>>29537914
>so that would have to be a pretty heavy framed pistol.
I'd assume far lighter than a deagle or automag though.
>>29537950
I'll do you one better. The 7.92×94mm Patronen.
>>29538051
ofcourse, those pistols require that weight. Truthfully though, im a small guy, and ive owned a .50ae before. The pistol being 5lbs is still a little unnecessary. It could lose a pound and still be relatively controlable.
>>29537457
>Also, is there any programs out there where one can easily make an accurate illustration of a hypothetical/potential projectiles case dimensions and so-on.
CAD+FEA. I'm partial to PTC Creo and Ansys Mechanical but whatever works as long as you can import your files from one to the other.
>>29538071
And sweet hot damn, that is absolutely grotesque lol
>>29538023
Yeah i would assume it would. I mean that only makes sense right?
It would be interesting to look at the guts of a WSSM semi-auto rifle.
>>29537728
For what purpose? It'd just have shittier ballistics quickly
>>29537914
A description of the suggested round? That's not what it was, it was my understanding of what the issues with .30 carbine are.
It would be a bit hard to compare it to .32 ACP, even a beefed up .32 would be neatly distinct.
I'd guess the main purpose would be for a firearm that can convert between being mostly like a pistol and mostly like a rifle, and conversion kits for and replicas of .30 carbine era weapons.
>>29537457
a bullet that remains 24'' in diameter and overall length of ~3+''. Actual bullet length remains ~1''.
Purpose: squashing kebab.
>>29538225
So basically a gun that shoots man hole covers?
>>29538279
Fuck yae
>>29538097
>>29538071
>Not the 22 eargesplitten loudenboomer
>>29538427
Thought you were joking with that name. Mfw I looked it up.
>>29538427
hahaha i love that shit.
>>29538427
What about the .22/50? lol
>>29538484
Id like something like 7.62x25 but longer and thinner, making it a bit easier to make double stack but keep its high fps.
Maybe a slightly heavier round but think that might slow it down to much.
>>29538493
Swear to fucking god this was my first thought seeing that
>>29538546
5.7 mang
lol
>>29538587
And yeah seriously lol
>>29537996
There's a wildcat of the .270wsm necked down to .22 with the shoulder blown out to 40*. No idea on velocities, but with ~80 grains H2O case capacity and a parent case capable of 3700fps with 90gr bullets it's gotta be blistering.
>>29537457
>.50 full retard
.50 GI case made slightly longer and loaded to the same pressure as .460 Rowland. End goal being .50 AE ballistics from a regular .45 ACP frame pistol.
>.25 spam-o-matic magnum
.25 ACP made rimless instead of semi rimmed and loaded to slightly higher pressures to get at least 18" of penetration with ball ammunition. End goal being single stack .380 size guns with ~14 round double stack magazines instead of 6 round single stack magazines.
>.30 multiball
.30 carbine shortened very slightly (same loaded OAL as .45 ACP) and loaded with two or three shorter bullets, allowing for 38-57 separate projectiles to be fired per magazine with your average full size pistol.
>>29538679
Kinda gotta admit, i like the .25acp idea, but id want it to be a liiiittle bigger, like between .28 and .30
And explain this .30 multiball idea.
>>29538546
So ... >>29537728 or >>29537852 ??
A modernized .38 Super, and maybe a .22 centerfire.
>>29538719
>.28 and .30
At .30 it will just be a rimless .32 ACP and you won't be able to fit a double stack magazine into the gun and at .28 there aren't going to be any bullets readily available to load it with.
>And explain this .30 multiball idea.
Multiple bullets loaded into a single casing front to back like pic related, though possibly with round balls like companies loaded .38 special/.357 magnum with in the past.
>>29538823
Crap, forgot the picture.
>>29538823
>at .28 there aren't going to be any bullets readily available to load it with.
These are hypothetical anyway, assuming you were to make any of these projectiles, you would be manufacturing these yourself i assume.
And as for the multi-ball I just didnt understand the name you used, I believe there was some experimental ammunition like this called "Duplex Ammo". Interesting concept, idk how it is in practice though.
>>29538783
You mean like 9x23 winchester and 5.5mm velodog?
>>29538926
>assuming you were to make any of these projectiles, you would be manufacturing these yourself i assume.
I was thinking in the context of being offered on the commercial market, where new calibers with more bullet options for early adopters to reload with have had a higher likelihood of succeeding.
>I just didnt understand the name you used
It's what some manufacturers called their .38/.357 loadings with multiple round balls years ago and what I originally learned about the concept from.
>>29537651
Puts it between .454 and .460S&W,but narrower. These threads are usually a punch of ideas that have invariably between tried somewhere. I'm sure you know why 39 was chosen
>>29537844
So a shittier .440 Corbon or an unnecessarily large .460 Rowland.
8x24mm, for a double stack pocket pistol
>>29539524
So a Rimless version of about 5 different revolver cartridges. Hope it's bottle necked or you won't even beat .327 federal or .32hr
>>29539443
It would be much shorter than than .440 corbon, and less snappy than .460 rowland.
>>29538679
If you first made a basic .50 super round, then a .50 rowland handgun would have that as well as it's own rounds to select between.
>>29537457
Either a .308 necked up to fit a .416 bullet with the brass trimmed so it has the same OAL as regular .308. Essentially .416 BLK.
.45 WinMag necked down to 10mm. 10mm Magnum necked down to 9mm.
>>29537852
Why not neck it up all the way to .284? At that point it's straight and has a better selection of bullets.
>>29538493
IIRC, the bullet disintegrated before it got to the chronograph, so no one can be certain how fast it was going.
>>29540933
>Why not neck it up all the way to .284?
Oh, sure. I figured 6.8 had fairly decent bullet availability.
30-06 or .308 neck up/ denecked, seat a .45 projo. rimless, high-pressure 45-70, or beltless .458 winchester (non-magnum)
Because murrica. One could use the brass as originally intended, then to .45 fuck you, then .45 shotshell, then regular acp/super.
Alternatively, as rimless .410 ultramag.
Imagine, a .308 saiga or vepr hurling hundreds of grains at a time, striking lie the fist of a drunken god.
>>29537457
New ammo?
probably some kind of 410 load invloving one 000 ball. high pressure napalm or combishot load with varing shot infront of the 000 ball
>>29540933
>>29541704
I would think that a relatively intermediate cartridge like 6.8 would have more compatible bullets for a PDW round than bullets for hi powered rounds like .284.
>460 Rowland pressure and case
>necked down to a .40 bullet
that would be neat.
