How is is that Scandinavians have been hunting moose and reindeer with the 6.5 Swede for generations, but Americans feel the need for 338 magnums? Do Americans just love unnecessary recoil?
But they don't hunt moose with a 6.5 silly. It isn't halal
>>29527138
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
>>29527138
>do Americans just love unnecessary recoil
As an American, yes, yes we do. My next gun is going to be a .416 Rigby.
>>29527616
I can concur
>>29527138
Think of it this way. Here in Canada moose are fucking huge, we have long sight lines and extremely thick brush. You wanna dispatch it quickly and humanely, so it doesn't take off and give you a bitch of a time tracking it through said thick brush. At the same time, you wanna be able to reach out across a long field/plain and still have the kinetic energy to make a humane kill (break shoulder, get vitals, etc.). That's why larger calibers are best for the job. Sure, smaller stuff will work, but at closer ranges in more specific circumstances (ie: neck shot at 75 yards).
>>29527616
Concur. I love indoor plinking with 12 gauge 3" magnum slugs out my Saiga 12.
I've heard of Canadians shooting mooses with .22lr.
>>29527677
That's fucked. That's the equivalent of having pins pushed into you.
6.5x55 is so good tho.
>>29527677
I'm Canadian and I've never heard or seen anything like this stupidity.
>>29527138
Wow, how dare people in different countries prefer different ammo types???
I wish eurocucks weren't allowed on this website, they can't even own weapons anyways
>>29527559
my understanding was that so long as you say a short prayer before killing the animal and make an effort to kill it as quickly as possible, it is more or less halal
>>29527715
>>29527677
my grandpa tells em that growing up in the depression, most rural kids ate a lot of venison out of season and most of that out of season venison was taken with .22s
but these were WI Whitetail, not Canuck moose
>>29527677
>>29527702
I knew a guy who poached whitetail with .22. Absolute fucking scumbag.
>>29527138
American moose are bigger.
>>29527747
>>29527647
These. Euro animals by and large are a lot smaller than N. American animals. Ever see those oversized dogs they have over there that they call deer? Totally different hunting scenarios.
Regardless , ima cap an elk with my cz 550 FS in 6.5x55 muhammed
>>29527723
yuro here, I have a weapon, in 6.5x55 to boot.
Swede here, despite owning and hunting moose with a 6.5x55, I would say it is a bit weak for moose.
It gets the job done plenty good but it demands more from both the shooter and the quality of the bullet.
>>29527647
Pretty much this.
>uncle takes rich people out to shoot big animals for a living
>carries a Browning .338 with a dinged to shit stock and goo all over the end of the barrel from covering it with electrical tape
Literally the only opinion that matters to me.
I've known both American and European hunters (I'll throw Aussie and Kiwi hunters in this category too) and discussed this very issue with them.
1) North American animals tend to be bigger than their Euro counterparts.
2) Euro hunters seem to be more serious about marksmanship and field craft than your typical American hunter. So yeah I can see them being far more comfortable about taking larger game with less powerful rounds than Americans would be.
3)There seems to be a lot more bullshit and received wisdom (that's also bullshit) about guns, ammo and hunting in American hunting culture. I've seen people claim that .308/7.62 NATO is "marginal" for hunting deer inside of 100 yards. Maybe if you can't aim for shit and always gut shot your animals...
Where do you guys get plinking ammo for 6.5 swede?
I haven't even put 100 rounds through my M38 because it's kinda expensive.
>>29528095
Number 3 is just Fudds being Fudds.
>>29527723
>OP is fag
>this suprises and upsets tripfag so much he wants a whole continent banned
>all of europe is the UK
>>29528095
>people claim that .308/7.62 NATO is "marginal" for hunting deer
Damn I'm glad I come from a family that, while fudds, have never fallen for the "stoppin' powah" meme.
My dad uses exclusively a .30-30, and my uncle has on a lot of occasions called .30-06 too big for deer hunting. When I hunted, I used my 98k, but that's more because of muh autism than anything else.
>>29528118
6.5x55 is top cozy. It's not exactly plinking material because it's generally expensive in the US, but if you can afford it, it's a lot of fun to shoot.
>>29528207
>cyprus ranking that high
Why have I never seen this?
What?
>>29528238
I would imagine it has to do with the Turkish invasion and tensions between the various people on the island.
If I was greek and my island was suddenly crawling with turks I'd be getting a gun too.
>>29528238
>>29528207
Also I guess I should have counted Cyrus as European too.
>>29528225
I found some boxes of PPU for $17 a piece, but its definitely comfy. I like the M38 a lot (the action is pretty smooth, its well made, and a classic design) but it doesn't really offer anything over my other firearms so I don't get it out that much.
As a milsurp rifle, there's nothing to complain about and the price was right ($300), but it doesn't seem like it has anything going for it either. I'd put a scope on it and have it fill that niche but I'm opposed to making any permanent modifications to it, so I guess it will sit in my gun cabinet.
>>29528118
>those tilted crowns
A Husqvarna?
>>29528363
If you want a less conventional and more unique 6.5x55, consider picking up a Ljungman Ag m/42B. Wouldn't pay too much for one, but they're really cool I think. My only experience is 20 rounds through one owned by a distant relative though.
>>29528405
I'd buy one if they didn't have pressure problems with most ammunition
>>29528421
Oyeah I forgot about that being an issue, shame.
>>29527677
Didn't Chris McCandless kill a moose with a .22 in Alaska?
>>29528521
Yes.
>>29528118
You can reload it for less than 45 cpr
>>29527559
>>29527647
Don't they call elk moose and moose elk?
To us Bullwinkle is a moose but I think they would call him an elk
>>29527677
>>29527702
Indians do hunt them with .22s sometimes since they're pretty much immune from any provincial hunting law. They shoot the moose through the ear to take out the brain. They must miss 75%, but hey, who cares when you're a card carrying nation member.
>>29528521
supposedly
In the movie he dumped an entire magazine
30 rounds to the head MIGHT do the trick
>>29527702
Elephants have been killed by .22lr before, anything in north America can be killed by .22lr. The man who taught me to shoot used to poach grizzlies in AK with a .22lr. It's not ideal but it is more than a pinprick.
>>29527616
Can confirm, I put a light synthetic stock on my nugget just to add to the recoil so I can hand it to newbies and watch them try to act tough when their shoulder is clearly bothering them.
>>29527138
People use 7mm rem .308 win and 30-06 for those purpose all the time.
>>29528942
A .22 to the eye or ear will drop nearly any animal on earth. That's not to say it's a great idea but it can be done.
>>29527138
>How is is that Scandinavians have been hunting moose and reindeer with the 6.5 Swede for generations, but Americans feel the need for 338 magnums? Do Americans just love unnecessary recoil?
Pretty much.
I usually use a 6.5 or a .30 of some sort. I don't think there's anything in North America or Europe I would need more than a 30-06 on, honestly. But a lot of people just seem to want the biggest loudest gun they can get. Almost as if they think that will make up for their lack of marksmanship.
Pic related.
>>29527733
My great grandfather used to hunt whitetail with a .22 rifle in Massachusetts. It can definitely be done. Moose get enormous in North America - people crash cars into them and the moose usually walks away - so you need something with a bit more kinetic energy to take them down unless you get them in the eye.
>>29527924
>>29528207
>not understanding sarcasm
you were THAT kid in middle school, weren't you?
>>29529181
fuck off
id feel fine with a 243 against moose and any deer. put the fucking bullet where it needs to go. those 100 grain softpoints literally drop deer dead.
>>29529201
no U
>>29528773
nope
>>29527138
extremely successful marketing and trying to outdo the other guy.
I love heavy weight 6.5 bullets. The 140-160 gr bullets are hilariously long.
Such a fun cartridge.
>>29528773
>>29529286
Actually he's not entirely wrong.
They do call Moose "Elk" in England, and "Älg" in Swedish, which is basically the same thing.
But they don't call anything "Moose" and they don't have what we call Elk.
I am guessing the OP is simply good enough at English that he realised that "Älg" is translated Moose when talking to North Americans, and only translated "Elk" when talking to Brits.
>>29528095
It's all pretending they're better for spending more money on beeg boolit. They look down on people who hunt with an SKS as hillbillies.
>>29529345
Yeah I realised it just a few seconds after my post. Man, why does America have to fuck up the English language all the time?
>>29527647
Why not just use a lung shot at 60 meters? Any 140 grain centerfire round will certainly kill a moose at that distance.
>>29527723
I never said there was anything wrong with it. If you love punishing your shoulder for no reason, then go ahead.
>>29527747
Moose are not small in Europe.
>>29528095
>I've seen people claim that .308/7.62 NATO is "marginal" for hunting deer inside of 100 yards.
Who are these cretins?
>>29528118
Try handloading. There is a plethora of 6.5 mm bullets out there.
>>29528773
Bullwinkle would be an elk in Europe. What Americans call elk would be a wapiti in Asia.
>>29529061
>muh shot placement
You can't count on always getting a perfect shot in a fight, but in hunting, it is unethical and foolish to take a shot if you are not certain of a clean kill.
>>29528942
That is not true because the nylon 66 only holds 15 rounds in the tube magazine that was the first gun I fired after learning on pellet guns. And I know it was an exaggeration but here in Montana there are no caliber restrictions and people often use 17 hmr for deer and antelope
>Eyreope
>"Moose"
Try medium sized elk you faggot
>>29527138
One of the ideas behind using magnums is for longer range shooting and to reduce the margin of error on big animals
What distance is a typical shot for you op?
>>29529787
"If you can get closer, get closer."--Jeff Cooper
100 meters is plenty of distance. 60 meters is better.
>>29529936
That's some very close shooting, 200 yards (180 meters) is a common shot where I am, longer ranges aren't uncommon
>>29530030
There is no need to shoot that far. Getting close ensures an accurate shot in the vitals.
I knew an old guy from the Yukon. Shooting moose with a 22lr consisted of running them down in deep snow on a dog sled and sticking the barrel in their ear. Said the meat was tough and shitty but it keeps you from starving.
>>29530053
Yeah that's where I start to look at many of my fellow Americans like they don't belong here.
They seriously do this. They get the biggest magnum they can and try to kill the deer as far away as possible. It's embarrassing.
Learn to stalk people.
(That said 300+yard shots are perfectly normal in certain areas, that's all you'll get if you're hunting Antelope a lot of places, I know, that's not what I am talking about though.)
>>29527662
This, I spent an extra $50 for a super magnum 870 just so I could watch the fireballs from using 3.5" turkey loads to shoot skeet
>>29530124
What those people don't understand is that it doesn't matter how powerful your rifle is if you miss the vitals. No matter how flat the trajectory is, it is very easy to miss the vitals at long ranges.
>>29530053
Those ranges are just the reality in a lot of places, in the east 100 yards is about the maximum range you'll find with 50 yard shots being common but in the west the terrain really opens up
>>29530216
So walk closer. If you cannot walk stealthily, crawl.
Swedes are cucks.
>>29530224
This is valid advice, but it does not always work.
200yrd shots are fairly normal for elk in montana/ND.
I like in a forest in MI, so it doesn't matter much to me, I guess. I've never heard of anywhere here talking a longer shot that 100yrds.
>>29530322
Then how is it that bowhunters manage to get within bow range?
>>29527138
>implying implications
I've used a .22-250 most of my life to take white tail, werks just fine for me.
If I'm hunting something bigger, like bear or moose, I'll grab my fuddy aught six, or .35 Whelen, if I'm feeling hipster.
All that said, a .338 Win Mag is fun to shoot. Sorry that you're just a pussy who can't handle recoil.
>>29530224
M8, try hunting some different terrain, a lot of time getting closer isn't happening, by the time you've circled a canyon or had to cover distance in the mountains the game will be long gone
200 yards isn't a far shot
>>29530372
I'd imagine because they have to, anon.
But that is a very broad statement. You see, I tried to narrow mine a bit by region. Bow hunting is very viable in areas with heavy cover. In areas with less, I suppose you must be very good at stalking.
This is less necessary if you have a good rifle and a good optic. Two hundred yards is not so far away for some calibers, 6.5x55 included.
That being said, closer is better.
It's a complicate affair, really.
>>29530372
They don't. They sit up in a tree all day and wait.
>>29530372
Bow hunting is only popular in certain areas in my state because of the terrain differences
>>29530433
>This is less necessary if you have a good rifle and a good optic. Two hundred yards is not so far away for some calibers, 6.5x55 included
The equipment is up to the task, but is the shooter? Shooting at 200 yards is easy when you're shooting off sandbags, but shooting in the field is much more difficult.
>>29530524
200 yards isnt hard offhand, with a rest or sticks its pretty easy
>>29530524
I am starting to think you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
Yes, shooting in the field is more difficult. What is even more difficult is stalking across 200 yards of open terrain to get within bow distance of animals on the move.
In short, I don't really see your point.
>>29530410
Where do you live? Most states have caliber restrictions for whitetail that won't let you hunt with .22 diameter. Usually the smallest they allow is .243
>>29527138
Norfag here.
Have American family and when I visit them last summer, one of them told me he was gonna try to hunt a bear with a crossbow. Is this normal? He's a very experienced hunter, owns all types of guns.
>>29530584
Not normal but certainly possible, I know two guys who bear hunt with spears.
>>29530584
State dependent
In my state I believe its illegal to hunt with a crossbow unless you are disabled. At least thats what I remember reading years ago, I'm not a bowfag
>>29530577
Wisconsin.
>>29530568
>Yes, shooting in the field is more difficult. What is even more difficult is stalking across 200 yards of open terrain to get within bow distance of animals on the move.
Yeah I am ambivalent at this point too. 200 yards isn't a long shot with a good rifle really. But if a bow-hunter can stalk into bow range you could surely talk up another 75 yards too.
I guess it's just a matter of attitude. When I see people not even trying to stalk, going out with the hottest rifles they can find to get kills at long range instead, I really do cringe. There's a balance to be had I think. It's not required that you go out with a knife and sneak up on the deer and cut his throat lol. But FFS try to act like a hunter instead of just a marksman.
>>29527559
Kek
>>29530584
Normal, as in a thing most bear hunters do? No.
Normal as in a thing that happens? Yes.
Not for me personally. 35rem is god's gift to black bears.
>>29530584
For an experienced hunter? Yeah, that's not out of bounds.
If he isn't carrying a heavy revolver for backup he's a fool though.
>>29527138
I like some heavy recoil weapons but I prefer lighter stuff like .223 or 7.62x39 for plinking. A day of nugget shooting leaves me with a semi sore shoulder.
>>29530672
Ahh, that is more clear. I agree with you. A hunter should try to get as close as possible, but sometimes, 200yrds is as close as possible.
It is difficult to talk about generally. So much in each situation comes down to unique variables around terrain, game, hunter, weapon, weather and a hundred other little things.
>>29530620
He lives in washington
>>29530616
>>29530678
>>29530686
I see, sounds pretty cool. He's pretty experienced so I'm pretty sure he brought a backup.
>>29530672
Its a matter of bow hunters and rifle hunters operating in completely different environments
In the places that bow hunters get kills the rifle and shotgun hunters get kills at similar distances
Rifle hunters work areas bow hunters wouldn't dream of
>>29528209
My buddy's dad is semi fudd but is actually really intelligent about guns and can out shoot most people I know.
He deer hunts with .22-250 exclusively. Although I will say that the deer on his land are a little smaller in comparison to other deer I've seen in neighboring areas.
I personally use .308 since that's what I'm comfortable hunting with.
>>29530762
Back east you basically can't get a shot past 150 yards, practically speaking.
In that environment a 30-30 is literally all you could need. I used to do it with a .44 mag lever action for a challenge, because it's really only accurate to about 100yards and sometimes you have to stalk. The SKS is just awesome back there, it's overkill, but it's not a TON of overkill, so it's really just optimum.
Out west I'm going to want, not really more power, just more range. More likely to use a .243 or a 7mm mag.
Stalking is actually *easier* out here in some ways, but all the distances are expanded. Even in wood, the woods are still nowhere near as thick.
>>29528118
That's God's way of telling you to:
(a) Handload.
(b) Get on the email list for when Midway gets more Hornady 160-grain roundnose bullets in.
>>29528225
This. It's like shooting a .22 for grownups, even with the steel butt plate... but you can kill big huge tasty things with it.
>>29527138
People in the late 1800s killed fucktons of buffalo with .45-70 black powder loads. What most people don't know is that smokeless powder allows you to get a similar weight bullet to within 100 FPS of the velocities achievable with the old black powder .45-70 with .45 colt or .44 magnum from a similar length barrel and .458 SOCOM in an AR-15 can reach higher velocities with a similar weight bullet from a shorter barrel.
>>29531337
Yes, but the 45-70 has a lot of recoil and isn't as accurate as a smaller, faster round like 6.5 Swede or 7mm-08.
>>29531337
Man I used to have a .44 magnum marlin and that was exactly what I thought about when I stalked with it.
I didn't bring as much home that year but twice as much the next!
>>29531365
Can you explain how a larger diameter bullet is intrinsically less accurate?
>>29527677
Shooting moose or hunting moose? I think those are two different things in this situation...
>>29529451
>wapiti in Asia.
Wapiti is a Native American word for the Great Plains Elk, and the closest thing to a Wapiti in Asia or Europe would be the Sambar and the Red Deer.
>>29531436
It is very slow, so it is more susceptible to wind drift.
>>29531472
>Wapiti is a Native American word for the Great Plains Elk
This is correct.
>and the closest thing to a Wapiti in Asia or Europe would be the Sambar and the Red Deer
This is wrong. The same species that Americans erroneously call elk is found in Siberia, Mongolia, and China.
I'd say only 5% of the people on this site know anything about terminal ballistics. It's not all about KE and bullet weight. Here, have some actual ballistics research that doesn't come from second hand accounts of fudds killing deer at 1000 yards with a .22LR. Protip, bullet construction matters more in effective game killing than 40 extra grains of weight.
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Effective+Game+Killing.html
>>29531436
It is not. It does, however, perform less desirably in terms of ballistics. A .45-70 is coming out the muzzle at a slower MV than a smaller caliber and the bullets used in it are usually not very aerodynamic. Adding to that, it has a wider bullet width so it encounters more air resistance as it flies. In other words, it comes out of the muzzle slower and loses velocity faster. These are not recipes for success past 100 yards.
>>29530672
Recurve bowhunters cringe at the thought of you shooting over 20 yards. The sad thing about hunters is most of them think the way they hunt is the only ethical hunting. It's a chain of disdain stretching as follows.
recurve > compound > people who shoot compounds over 50 yards > shotgun > muzzleloader > smokeless powder muzzleloader > centerfire > centerfire over 300 yards
The irony is that they don't realize how full of shit they are. People hunt differently.They take shots according to their abilities. That includes compound bowhunters making shots at 80 yards as well as rifle shooters making shots at 500 yards. Let people choose how they wish to enjoy our hobby instead of projecting your limitations onto them.
>>29530762
>He deer hunts with .22-250
That's my uncle's favorite caliber...I haven't really seen him use it really, but in the past, he gets excited when he has the chance to mention that round.
Here in MN, I don't think we can use anything smaller than .243 though, but he's mentioned how the .22-250 would be great to use.
Honestly, I'm more of a bigger and slower kinda guy...I don't have one, but up here, I think .35 Remington is perfect.
>>29530831
I'm from Minnesota, and if you aren't hunting on one of those lily ass farms with long shots as part of the design, most of the environment here is very thick woods, with a 50 yard FOV being the max a lot of the time.
>>29532145
Yeah when I say back east I am thinking the triangle around se ky, sw va, ne tn, and nw nc. A LOT of our shots back there are really sub 50 yards. Typically you go out to a stand in the morning though, a nest where you can get LOS for as much as 150 yards on hopefully a couple of places where deer tend to be. You might get a chance moving to or from your nest at much closer range, of course, but your average shot is likely to be a little under 100 yards.
I've been to MI didn't notice any thicker woods but maybe it's because you are flatter?
>>29527138
>Do Americans just love unnecessary recoil?
What you call unnecessary recoil, I call.....
POWER!!!!
>>29531517
Nope,
>It was long believed to be a subspecies of the European red deer (Cervus elaphus), but evidence from a number of mitochondrial DNA genetic studies beginning in 1998 indicate that the two are distinct species.[3][4][5][6]
You are almost 20 years behind the times.
>>29530762
you can load some pretty good bullets for 22-250. those 65 grain sierra gamekings would have no problem killin' durr
>>29527710
This
>>29527747
I would like some reliable sauce to that
>>29527138
What the fuck is this? 6.5 is a Class 2 weapon, we Hunt moose with Class 1, aka älgstudsare (direct translate: moosebouncer)
>>29532371
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose
Eurasian Elk Males weighs about 320 to 475 kg (705 to 1,047 lb) and females weigh 275 to 375 kg (606 to 827 lb
Alaskan Moose: can stand over 2.1 m (6.9 ft) at the shoulder, has a span across the antlers of 1.8 m (5.9 ft) and averages 634.5 kg (1,399 lb) in males and 478 kg (1,054 lb) in females.
>>29528207
>112.6
having .6 of a gun.
>>29532371
If you hit a deer or an elk with a car, the animal dies. If you hit a moose with a car, you die.
>>29532406
>reliable source
>wikipedia
But I still choose to believe you
>>29528207
This is not private ownership.
Nations with a conscription system do have indeed a lot of guns somewhere but not in private ownership.
>>29532189
>been to MI didn't notice any thicker woods but maybe it's because you are flatter?
We're a lot how places like Finland is arranged: mostly low sloping hills with thick mixed Forest right on top of it...hell to move around in a lot of the time.
I've been to Missouri too, and their woodlands are much more scattered out and patchy than ours is.
>>29532295
Most .22/250 barrels have bad twist for using the actually interesting .224 caliber bullets.
>>29532457
You've also got a lot of actual Finns in the Upper Peninsula.
>>29532189
>MI
>>29532457
Sorry, confused that with Missouri, rather than Michigan...I haven't been there, but it must depend on where you are, cos I understand it can get really thick and awful there too. We always hunted about 2/3 up MN, and there it's just terribly thick and shitty, but a lot of deer live there, and it's family land, so we always go there.
>>29532485
I fucked up and confused places, sorry.
>>29532492
>>29532488
What I mean to say is that I had originally thought you meant Missouri, then corrected and implied I was from Michigan, but I really meant Minnesota the whole time as to where I'm from.
I had a few and I fucked up.
>>29532482
yeah but a lot of guys have been building custom 22-250s with slower twist barrels. can double as a deer and varmint rifle a little better than a 243 can. meaning less recoil with still adequate performance.
>>29532485
Actual MIfag here. It's really weird because on minute you're innawoods then you're in a town, then woods, then a city. The UP is quite heavily wooded though, MUCH less people.
>>29532507
Lol thanks for admitting it bro I'm a bit drunk and I thought *I* fucked up!
Michigan, Missouri, and Minnesota are quite different.
>>29527559
Actually no.
You just have to say "in the name of Allah" before you shoot and the moose or any other animal will be 100% halal
>>29527138
Swedes almost always hunt with dogs.
So even if the shot isn't immediately lethal they can track the animal very easily.
>>29532431
I... What are you trying to say?
>>29532540
Somehow I think you are funnin.
I'll admit I don't know the details of their law. But I've seen how you lutheran pagans sometimes fail to butcher your game properly and I have puked.
>>29532552
Ugh, not all swedes are such degenerates, but yes, I noticed that was common.
>>29532597
Degenerates? For hunting with dog?
>>29532371
Boone and Crockett say the biggest moose ever shot was an Alaskan moose, it weighed 1045 kg (2300 lb), and was 4.7 m (15 ft) tall, surpassing the largest ever fossil of the Irish Elk for biggest deer of all time.
Safari Club says the record for Älg is 740 kilos, height not listed, harvested in Sweden.
The American record has almost 20 kilos more antler, too.
>>29529345
The etymology of this is pretty funny. Alg and Elk have the same root, obviously, but the islanders had eaten all their alg by 2400 BC, and the word had degraded into a catchall for big deer, including Red Stag, which were still on the island, at beginning of the colonial era. When the settlers came to America, they ran into two kinds of big deer, Elk, which are much like Red Stag, only bigger and more fond of open spaces, and Moose, which were unlike anything most britons had ever seen before.
The locals called the Alg Mos or Mooswe depending on tribe, and the better educated of the englishmen called the "German Elk" (German being a catchall for mainland Europe in the English spoken in the late 17th century), and the Indian word fell into more common use.
Both in England and in the Colonies.
It wasn't until well after the War of Independence that the English decided that Moose were Elk, (and that they needed to differentiate their language from the patois of us colonial barbarians in a couple other ways).
>>29527677
>mooses
It's "meese"
>>29532526
Fuck, we're both kinda drunk, kek.
At least we've got clarification now.
Law in Finland says:
Moose or bear are allowed to be shot at only with a weapon, which bullet weight must be atleast 9 grams and impact energy at 100 meters from pipe mouth measured atleast 2700 joules (E 100 > 2 700 J) or, bullet weight being 10 grams or more, impact energy measured in similar way must be atleast 2000 joules (E 100 > 2 000 J).
>>29529201
holy shit nigger that irony
>>29532643
4,7 m, thats not a moose, thats a fucking house
>>29532681
Right? I've got a car that weighs less.
>>29532665
Same law here in Sweden
>>29532636
Yes, absolutely. I would have done a lot more hunting when I was in Sweden but that shit seriously makes the bile rise in the back of my throat. Maybe I am prejudiced but where I came from only the lowest inbred trash hunt with dogs routinely. For a real hunter to call for one is an admission he messed up. Fine to mess up sometimes and fine to admit it when it happens but you go out with dogs initially? It's the same thing as saying you don't have a clue what you are doing.
>>29532643
Thanks, good post.
>>29532681
I'm pretty sure it was 4.7 to antler tip, not shoulder.
Otherwise it'd need to weigh more.
>>29532697
Idk exactly how you Hunt where you live but here in Sweden you have to be part of a club which all hunt at the same time, some people walk around a certain area and some sit in towers, all clubs have to have a dog in the club and out on the field to localise the game if it runs away
>>29532697
DESU, I'd rather allow tracking dogs than have people try for an hour and then give up on wounded game. I still don't speak to one of my highschool friends because he would only make a token effort to pursue obviously mortally wounded game.
We let him hunt with us one year, he cracked off a couple shots, claimed he missed, ended up taking one I basically tracked for him, because the blood was immediately obvious to me when I met up with him to see what the fuss was about, and then we found 3 more carcasses when tapping our maples that spring.
I wanted to gut shoot him and leave him to die for several years.
>>29532750
If it gets injured and runs away*
>>29532681
That's why you shoot moose from far away with a damn Lap Mag.
>>29532750
Yeah I know. I never club hunted though I was invited.
You can hunt the way I know, as long as you have a friend with property and you get a license though. So I got to do a little in the skärgård by myself at least.
>>29532754
I would have wanted to gut him too, and probably just quit talking to him, as you did.
In Sweden the main hunting group I knew just basically went out with all their dogs and let the dogs do the work. Whatever the dogs cornered, the drunk humans would eventually kill. No I dont really know from personal experience I never went hunting with these guys their drunken descriptions of their hunts turned my stomach so bad it was all I could do to stay polite.
No doubt what they do is more efficent for harvesting meat. (And moose meat is sold in grocery stores in sweden, nice!) But I could never bring myself to take part in it, personally.
>>29532823
>Sweden
>skärsgård
I think you meant swedistan, If you hunt, go North
>>29532851
Well about 2/3rds of Swedes live south of there, right? So where do you mean? My girlfriends family had land in Roslagen and one of her cousins still hunted but if I had gotten him to take me out to hunt there she would have dumped me.
So Skärsgård was really my only option. Those tiny little deer though, damn. I want to import the whole species. It's like the lamb of deer.
>>29532823
what could they have possibly done to cause it that much pain and still efficiently harvest the meat?
>>29532891
I understand your situation, i just didn't want you to go hunting in the South and then judge the whole country for how they hunt
>>29528802
So much for the noble savage meme.
Just indigenous shit, like the rest.
>>29532946
I understand. Not judging the whole country. Try hard not to judge those I met. My stomach upset doesnt necessarily mean they were doing anything wrong either. Harvesting meat is it's own thing. I actually feel bad that I could never get over my own standards enough to at least go out and watch how they worked.
For me that was the biggest culture-shock thing though. Where I grew up only the 'white trash' would hunt that way, and it was apparently quite normal Stockholm/Uppsala area.
>>29532979
How long was it since you were there? Basically just SJW's nowadays, but i might just be me talking since the South and North kinda hate eachother and Me being north
>>29532979
>Where I grew up only the 'white trash' would hunt that way, and it was apparently quite normal Stockholm/Uppsala area.
How do you mean?
>>29533025
Yes, i kinda questioned that myself, Stockholm/Uppsala region = hunting normal? What?
>>29532819
It was taken at less than 30 yards. It surprised the guide and hunter, and was shot 4 times before it dropped. Both men were using .300 Winchester Magnum.
I wouldn't want to go into brush in Moose territory armed with anything in a caliber with a Taylor Knockout Value lower than the 540 grain Garret Hammerhead load for .45/70.
http://www.garrettcartridges.com/4570540tech.html
At 55, this cartridge's TKV is over double what the likely .300 Win Mag load used in that hunt scores.
>>29533006
My visa expired and I had to leave in 2003.
As far as I knew 'North' in Sweden was roughly defined as Svealand north, i.e. from a bit south of where I lived north, the northern 1/3rd by population.
My boss was from the extreme north but she had moved down decades earlier for work and I never had any friends further north of there. I went Gävle but only for a few hours.
>>29532446
Only it literally fucking is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
>This is a list of countries by guns per capita (number of privately owned small firearms divided by number of residents)
>>29533132
how were the women?
>>29533165
Well I only bagged 3 in 3 years, and that was before I actually got old, so I think it's fair to say slightly cold ;)
Other than that though, different, very different. Ahead of their time I guess. One was seriously trying to rape me the whole time. I mean she got off on the idea I did NOT want her and she would make me take her anyway, for financial/professional reasons. First time I ever saw a woman play that hand. Honestly not too upset with her over it either - I am no lamb in the woods and once I got it through my brain that yes a female was actually playing this game with me, I played it back. Still very very wierd, for me, with my background.
The second I wish I understood better. Very submissive, met her in a disreputable corner of the internet, went to her place in a disreputable corner of stockholm, treated her like property for a few hours, and she clearly enjoyed it. Invited me back, we did that several times. I was pretty much in love, whatever wierd shit she had going on, I'd have tackled it for her, but she didn't want it. She started trying to blow me off. Not even the spine to *actually* blow me off you know, just let me know that she didnt really want to see me so she could suck all the joy out of it? Infuriatingly Swedish at that point. We drifted apart.
Third was very upscale, very establishment. Too much so. I thought we were getting along very well all considered, and I thought we had a lot of respect for each others views, but when my visa was about to expire and I asked her to help me get another by simply telling the truth (sambo) it suddenly became a thing of I had to abandon all my political beliefs and become and SJW or leave the country.
So I left.
>>29533038
Depends on class.
In large cities, only the wealthy hunt.
In rural areas everyone hunts.
>>29527138
>Do Americans just love unnecessary recoil?
This is legitimately why I'm not interested in buying a .22lr for plinking. Not enough recoil.
>>29533226
Women just don't change, no matter where in the world
>>29533132
I hope you know that Gävle belongs to the South by most peoples definitions, shame about your visa though
>>29533392
Are you defining the north as norrland only?
>>29533392
Everything north of Uppsala is norrland
everything south of Södertälje is Skåne
t. cuckholm
>>29533426
Nah
>>29533431
>Uppsala
>border to the North
Kek
>>29532390
>6.5 is a Class 2 weapon
Complete falsehood.
>>29533457
I looked it up, i was wrong
>>29533463
Depends on the weight and such of the bullet, but look it up
>>29533463
"Kaliber dock inte avgörande för klasstillhörigheten som är beroende av kula och laddning, ett exempel är 6,5 × 55 mm som med blyfria kulor hamnar i klass 2" - https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klassifikation_av_jaktvapen
>>29533482
If that is a quote from Swedish law then I am literally in pain that I didn't get a chance to stay and study it. That just makes too much sense, it's not possible.
>>29533556
What about it makes sense? The Joule needed for certain classifications?
>>29533559
I didnt read joule there but I read that it legality is not based on calibre but on 'bullet and charging?' so yeah, logically, bullet and charging (discounting barrel length) = foot pounds or 'joules' as y'all have it over there.
I might have been exagerating a tiny bit for comedic effect but it sounds straightforward and sensible and laws here usually don't.
>>29533606
Yeah, alot of the laws make alot of sense, while some dont. For example, my family own 2 guns on a so called memorial license, which means we can own them but not fire them - BUT since all weapons not in use must be kept inside a safe, it can't even act as a wallhanger. In short: you just kinda own a rifle you can't do ANYTHING with.
>>29532588
He's right, you just need to declare it for the sake of god, and then make the kill as quick as possible, if you want to stretch it, you can even say intent works.
t. Northeast African kebab
>>29527747
only the Alaskan moose is bigger, the other American elk species are the size of the European elk.
>>29528773
mericans call a type of stag elk, probably because those mericans who first saw these stags didn't know what an actual elk looked like. "moose" is a feather-nigger word so we don't use it.
>>29533431
Everything south of Umeå is Södra Sverige.
t. norrlänning
>>29535254
Län? Also, thanks for the lovely pic
>>29535916
City* also, if it's Umeå then you're no more rural than a Stockholmer
>>29527559
first reply best reply + dubs
>>29528207
Yemen?
God damn that's a frightening thought.
>>29527924
Nigga you need to lift some weights
>>29531722
It's not projecting. It is a fact, a plain and simple fact, that almost nobody can reliably hit an animal beyond 300 meters without risking a gut shot. It doesn't matter how fast or flat-shooting your caliber is. It is just too difficult to hold steady at that distance. Unless you are an Olympic gold-medalist rifleman, it is unwise and unethical to take such a risky shot.
>>29532232
What Americans call elk is not Cervus Elaphus. It is Cervus Canadensis.
>>29538481
300 meters really isn't as far of a stretch as you think friend. Your grasp of the reality of the situation is flawed and I hope you have the chance to figure that out
>>29538562
It's not a far stretch from a benchrest. Try doing it in the field without sandbags. Yes, you may hit the animal, but remember that you're not aiming for the animal. You're supposed to aim for a specific spot on the animal.
I shot a moose to death once.
.300WM at 366 yards.
First shot put the animal on the ground without it taking a step. A couple of minutes later, it tried to stand up, and I shot it again. It died.
The first shot didn't kill it because I'm an idiot and I didn't realize how big a moose really is. I shot too far forward and drove a 165gr GMX through his front left shoulder. It penetrated in a straight line directly through the shoulder and into the right shoulder, stopping just beneath the skin on the far side.
It turned the left shoulder into jelly in a sphere about the size of a volleyball, maybe a little smaller. Wasted a little meat, unfortunately.
Ultimately, based on the performance of the round, I don't think I would want to shoot a moose with something too much smaller than .300WM. I think that's the perfect round for game of that size. I might be willing to shoot an elk with something like a 7mm-08
I'm just too concerned with the quick, humane kill to risk under-penetration.
>>29533790
>>29535254
My ancestors are from Hälsingland, is that far north enough?
>>29532650
I thought it was Mözen
>>29529451
60 meters? Because sometimes you can't get that close. Greater lethal range = greater flexibility.
