Why isn't every soldier a special forces soldier?
If the seals have the best equipment and skills and tactics and training why doesn't the USA give those same tactics and skills and training and equipment to all other soldiers?
Why has no one ever come up with this idea
It's unnecessary
>>29522774
That's the mentality of the USMC.
"Every marine is a rifleman."
>>29522774
Expense.
Enjoy replacing losses.
>>29522774
It cost too much time and money and is not useful ?
>>29522774
Listen, kid - everyone has a different job for different reasons. Take your multi-million dollar trained SEAL fuckups and send them against a tank platoon. Guess who wins. Send them against a squadron of fighter jets. Guess who wins. Have them coordinate a supply line equal to an armor advancement on attack. They'll fuck it up like a 3 year old Picasso.
Different jobs for different demands.
Grow up.
>>29522774
Do you know how long it takes to cultivate a seasoned operator, lets say from CAG/Delta?
Jesus, you act like you make boot camp a bit harder and you'll make nail drivers out of 'em.
Come the fuck on it's not a practical idea.
>>29522774
Numbers win battles.
Special forces never won any large battles.
>>29522774
Good idea, spend millions training a soldier to be the very best at diving, parachuting, medical training etc.... then assign him to fix Humvees because some poor fucker has to do it.
Because when everyone is super, then no one will be.
>>29522774
You do realize those niche jobs have very high demands for physical/mental strength that barely enough people meet?
Troop morale and efficiency would drop if implemented anyway.
>>29522848
>special forces
>never won any large battles
well no shit nigger, that's not their line of work
>>29522848
>numbers win battles
tell that to the persians
>>29522850
>BN Commander gets into pissing match with another commander
>argument is to be settled with ruckmarches BN-wide
>25 mile ruckmarch cripples the HHC S2, literally resulted in a 35F getting medboarded
Fuck people who expect everyone in the army needs to be a Delta operator, seriously.
>>29522774
I see you bought into the equality lie.
>>29522864
Congratulations. Now you know why Special Forces can't be regular.
>>29522793
It's funny because the Marines don't even use rifles anymore
>>29522870
Tell that to the Nazis.
Sure numbers isn't everything but
1) It helps
2) The nature of today's industrialized warfare mean numbers are more important nowadays than ever.
>>29522924
m27 IAR soon desu senpai
>>29522853
Except yoru standard will be higher than a competing army.
>>29522947
>Except yoru standard will be higher than a competing army.
How much special forces training is needed to operate a tank, fly a helicopter or operate artillery guns?
>>29522774
Not everyone is cut out to be special forces, and it takes too long and too much money to make a whole military "special forces" level of skillz. However, a lot of people are totally capable fighters/intelligence/logistics personnel who make the big machine tick, but would never cut it as SF.
tl;dr why limit yourself that arbitrarily just because you wanna be 1337 you fucking 5 year old
>>29522961
Considering the k/d ratio of SF, you wouldn't need tanks, artillery and humvees. Sending 1000 SF into a conflict would be enough.
>>29522774
>If the seals have the best equipment and skills and tactics and training why doesn't the USA give those same tactics and skills and training and equipment to all other soldiers?
It's EXTREMELY expensive. It's only cost effective to spend that money on a few super humans and send them to do important shit.
>>29523060
>Sending 1000 SF into a conflict would be enough
Now I know you are trolling, they would be pounded by the big guns the moment they are spotted.
>>29523060
>Considering the k/d ratio of SF, you wouldn't need tanks, artillery and humvees.
Probably because they send SF on missions that don't require tanks, artillery, and humvees
>>29523060
I wish I was still a kid like you - with my head in the clouds and full of fantasies.
>>29522924
Every marine a carbine person
>>29523133
Kek'd
>>29523060
1000 million dollar soldiers vs 500 million in gear and conscripts results in a win for the conscripts. SF controls engagements and has a whole command center coordinating support. Look at lone survivor or the other one with SF in a stand up fight. Even with cool toys it's hard to pin a company strength element with 5 guys.
>>29522774
Well they wouldn't be called "Special" forces if everyones one
>>29523060
>k/d ratio
>>29523169
>Well they wouldn't be called "Special" forces if everyones one
You could have Special Forces, then "Special Forces", OP would belong to the latter.
>>29522774
anyone can hold a gun and fires it
but not everyone knows how to hold the gun and use it properly
Why isn't every serf a man-at-arms?
If the Order of the Garter have the best equipment and skills and tactics and training why doesn't the Kingdom of England give those same tactics and skills and training to all the serfs?
Why has no one ever come up with this idea
>>29522924
>M4a1 isn't a rifle
Technically a carbine but it's still a shorter rifle
>>29522848
Special forces won little battles that prevents any large battles from happening
By what standard do you make a special forces soldier? Soldiers in modern military forces have more training than they ever have in the past, and even the lowest level soldier has more training than a WW2 era special forces soldier
>>29523216
I can attest to that personally. SF blocked off Pacora River Bridge, stopping the Battalion 2000 from arriving on the drop zone where we were parachuting in. Their precise usage of LAW rockets and 203 grenades prevented the enemy special troops from killing many of us floating down onto the airfield.
asking why isn't every solider in the world SF is like asking why isn't every car on the road a NASCAR car
bait thread/10
>>29522837
You didn't even have to go that far. A decent amount of infantry would have been fine. Why so many people think sf types are like gundams, dynasty warriors and master chief idk
>>29523060
You know what? I could say the same thing about snipers. but let's go further. You talk about K/D ratios but then proceed to list Artillery. Artillery has the best K/D ratio in conventional warfare. The only comparable force is air power.
Long story short, SF are men with guns. Highly trained men with guns, yes, but in the end they are men with guns. If they were deployed as regular infantry could you decrease the size of an army? Plausible. But in the end you would spend a hell of a lot more when you could use moderately trained, and much more readily available infantry.
0/10 you got me to reply.
>>29522837
This.
Be aware that a platoon of conscripts can still defeat a super duper special forces unit if in the right situation. Cost penuts in comparison too.
Special forces missions have a lot in common with bank heists, they require careful planning and very skilled soldiers in order to carry out a precise very risky task. Special forces guys are not like the bosses from your favourite video game. They are killed just as easily as anyone else.
>>29522883
>cripples the HHC S2, literally resulted in a 35F getting medboarded
What does that mean ...
>>29523266
>why isn't every car on the road a NASCAR car
Because some times we have to turn right.
>>29523447
But every car on the road is a stock car...
>>29522870
They build the largest and longest lasting empire of their age, so I dont think need to tell them much
>>29523211
Underrated post
>>29523375
A staff guy got injured so bad he couldn't stay in the army.
>>29522774
>typical /k/ question
>>29522793
kek
>>29522848
What is the Battle of Debeka Pass?
>>29522774
Because 80%+ of winning wars is supporting the ground guys.
It makes more sense to spend money on guys learning tech and having a competent logistics system than teaching everyone how to be cowadooty super heroes.
>>29522870
the persians conquered a larger empire than the spartans ever did.
Same can be said when it comes to soviet vs finland. Finland put up a good fight, but they could never conquer anything.
>>29523203
epic xD
>>29524119
I love calling Persians arabs. They get so offended.
>>29523279
>gundams
Wing was horseshit light novel writing. Most of UC is pretty well depicted for realism
>>29522774
Not only are the demands for said requirements pretty high and hard to meet, but as everyone else put it in this thread the military designates specific training for particular tasks. An armored division or a nomal infantry crew don't need the skill set that special forces receives, and visa versa.
>>29522924
Pretty sure they still use M16A4s
"special" forces
>>29524939
The person who made the toss into the door looks like a woman.
I don't know anything about army utilities but I'd assume they are a non-combat unit doing some training.
>>29523060
>K/D ratio
Go back to /v/ and stay there
>>29524939
i feel real bad for the amputee in green, he just stands there and takes it.
>>29525012
That would be because it's a training dummy.
>>29522774
Because retards in Congress and armchair generals on the Internet believe a massive standing army is somehow useful in 2016.
We should've dwindled down to ~20-40k special forces long ago, but friends of Congress wouldn't get paid and that just won't do.
>>29525030
speaking of retards
>>29525028
>>29522837
>>29523335
This.
Op, when you think of SF, don't think of Call of Duty or MGS. Think of Rainbow Six: Ravenshield. People who move around swiftly, quietly, and get the job done with as little direct confrontation as possible because they know that they can die just as easily as anybody else. You could kill couple Navy SEALs with a double barrel .410 by hiding inside of something and popping them in the back of their heads as they exit to go clear a different room. They are still human.
>>29525090
Fuck even CIA spooks or the most elite tier 0 operators in the world can be killed by sneaking up to them and doming them from point blank. An entire team of Delta operators could be killed by one guy with an AKM hiding in some trees across from a building. He just needs to wait for them to stack up outside the door and then immediately magdump into them.
>>29522924
A rifleman is a role in a fire team you stupid twat
>>29522837
None of which exist in the forces we have to fight. And of the countries which possess such assets, it is literally in none of their best interests to fight us.
>>29522774
Not everyone is cutout for special forces training
>why havent they done this yet
They did, its called a professional army
>>29522774
Are we talking just good combat training or full on seal? I could probably convinced that every single person in the military should have good marksmanship skills and basic infantry skills but anything else would be unnecessary. Why should a cook also know be able to perform underwater demolitions? Or a truck driver?
>>29522774
because special forces job is not to backflip around and throw axes at logs to impress media.
Their job is to complete specialized tasks.
>>29525147
Yes let's cut our military numbers to nothing and have exclusively SF operators. That way when WW3 or another European/Asian war happens we can go ahead and shit ourselves trying to cobble together a big army of retarded conscripts.
>WW3 will never happen! Not in our lifetime!
Literally what? A war involving most of the world with multiple major powers fighting against each other will never happen again? Shit, I give it fifteen years. You can't pretend a completely and easily plausible concept is impossible because it is scary. That is akin to the arguments anti-gunners use.
>>29525186
At the rate things are going, world war scale conflict against an AI is more likely to happen sooner than WW2
>>29525171
uh, seals are the equivalent to high school jocks. They convinced themselves they are great then brag about it to anyone within earshot. They are literally fish out of water. Their ground tactics are on par with infantry national guard. I'm straight up serious. They have a knack for getting shot over stupid shit like silhouetting themselves against a white aircraft hangar. Dumb fucks. They should stay in the water and leave the ground tactics to those of us who are actually trained and experienced.
>>29525234
Every major conflict has been a proxy war against an AI. The space kikes.
>>29522774
Why isn't every car a porche?
You need troops that can hold positions, who can man thousands of checkpoints all across a country. You need guys to guard convoys, to handle logistics, and in many cases to enforce law and order within the local populace during an occupation.
Plus, numbers count. Can you imagine if the 150,000 men who landed in Normandy had been just 10,000 elite, top-tier operators instead?
We'd be speaking a lot more German right now.
>>29525234
Quite honestly this. GAI and then superintelligence are going to happen within our lifetime. It's quite impossible to know how any of them are going to act, but it will most likely have access to the internet, ensuring possible loss of millions of lives seeing as AI's govern most of first world's peoples lives
>>29522774
>Money.
>Resource allocation.
>Waste of resources to begin with.
>Not enough eligible people, not everyone has the right mentality and such to be a Navy Seal, Spec Ops, Etc.
>>29525243
lol although this is probably true and dumb. It is somewhat right. They are not trained to deal with actual warfare. Just specialized missions where they train for 4 months prior on a mock up house. Not very special honestly. Its a lot of money to do a specific type of mission. What you might want is a Ranger type deal going on with everybody and thats still a bad idea.
>>29525030
i agree. 50k hard special forces cunts then give the people in highschool marksmanship training and rifles when they graduate. because muh militia and shit. then give manpads to trusted community members. make america isolationist again.
>>29524939
>pulling the safety pin like a pussy
>throwing the grenade this whimply and non delibirately
the instructor fucked up here
The majority of the population is simply not up to being 'special forces'.
And its almost like these idiots don't realise how big a percentage of the military is support or vehicle based.
>>29525919
People thing the military consists of whatever fits into the lens of a "combat" correspondent.
>>29525919
>>29526027
this
militaries consist of about 80 to 90 percent support and logistics
>>29523060
>how to trigger /k/ in one sentence
>>29526057
to drive this through take into consideration that even the roman legions marched with support convoys several times larger than the fighting force itself behing them
craftsmen, merchants, herders with livestock, prostitutes and a tonne of other things.
>>29523375
also HHC is Headquarters/Headquarters Company, S2 is the intel/security staff/office
>>29526088
>support convoys
yeah but none received applause when they got off the plane at their home airport
>>29522848
They train foreign fighters to win the battles for them. They fight smarter not harder.
>>29522774
this is why
>>29525090
start playing MGS on extreme and it quickly becomes what you described
>>29525325
>>29525919
>>29526057
this so much
theres no need to train a guy in special forces tactics and techniques if all he'll be doing is just driving a truck or sitting at a desk.
This is why we call it "special" forces. It's supposed to be very unique by nature.
Even if we raised the standard requirements of all soldiers to be current special forces tier, they would naturally raise the requirements for joining special forces accordingly.
>>29526544
>Even if we raised the standard requirements of all soldiers to be current special forces tier,
And I doubt you could find 1.3 million people in the USA who reach those standards in the first place.
>>29522774
it's not called "average forces"
>>29522774
I'd let her train my seal if you know what I mean
Mechanized forces would roll over any special forces regiment or whatever the fuck you want easily. Light role infantry is going to be blown the FUCK out in a real war
>>29524939
Women are just as capable as men, this is patriarchy propaganda
>>29526797
Whatever. We all know you love traps like the rest of us.
Why doesn't everyone have a PhD?
>>29522774
You have no fucking idea how the military works do you? Go back to playing COD.
>>29522774
If you're as autistic as you sound, then you must know that every soldier is special forces soldier. Just ask every soldier.
>>29522774
I want to make sweet sweet babies with her...
also cost its cost millions to train and equip one SEAL it cost a tens of thousands to train and equip one grunt
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>>29522924
A) A carbine is still a riffle B) Marines for the large part still carry M16a4s ergo the fuck are you smoking
>>29526136
Force multiplication is honestly the stupidest fucking strategy. We always end up having to fight the people we trained later on.
>>29528742
This. Kill them all, napalm and carpet bomb their families works every time.
No, really. I know that sounds sarcastic, but it's not. If you kill them all and all who could become them....
>>29524939
Derp Derp womenz can be great soljas
>>29525433
bad ass... man pads and mortars oh and tanks... lots of tanks and AT4s
>>29522774
Because you honestly don't need to train a guy sitting around processing paychecks or installing a printer that hard. Unless you're not counting POGs in the equation.
>29528848
inb4 hurrr we dont need pogs
>>29528950
No one, in the history of insults, has ever said we don't need you. We love pogues. We just get kick out of the fact that you are self depreciating. There wouldn't be so much banter if you people would take pride in your jobs.
>>29522774
Why dont they all learn to fly aircraft as well and pilot ships and conduct covert ops. All ops are now covert ops. Every man and woman comes to the field flying their own blackhawk and everybody is a designated marksman and corpsman. For that matter, why have nurses, we should have nothing but doctors. Why bother having citizens, we should all be presidents.
>>29522793
This. All Marines are given combat training because at the end of the day, the other branches can fulfill all support roles while every Marine could fill combat positions, the main specialty being rapid deployment, be it air, land or sea.
>>29530353
Good idea anon. You are so smart anon. Wow anon why aren't you our leader.
>>29528846
> man pads
I don't think you know what MANPADS stands for
>>29530474
BECAUSE WHY HAVE JUST ONE LEADER WHEN WE CAN DO MORE IF WE ARE ALL THE LEADER
>>29530474
But we're ALL the president!
>>29530383
Spotted the Marine.
What a fucking moron. Seriously, everyone get a load of this fucking idiot.
>>29530508
That is for the most part true, though. Army and Navy SF still strike first, but the marines are the ones doing the dying. And this is coming from a Navy guy.
>>29528721
>A) A carbine is still a riffle
By that dumbass logic a pistol is a rifle.
>>29522793
You do mean ever marine is a rifleperson right? I mean it's 2016, get your terminology right at least.
>>29530812
If your the ATF, it can be
I thought it was a good idea to take my degree with me instead of my Rambo gun fully automatic light machine gun. I belive we would've lost the same guys.
>>29522793
It's definitely all the tv I watch but mexican gang bangers take this marine training for all intents and purpose of been a women or was that Bruce Jenner
>>29522856
Tell that to the fbi agent that opens a training center for taliban service men lololol
>>29523203
Sometimes you don't need to be special, sometimes you need to be a grinch, a truck or a sandman.
>>29523211
Yall wouldn't help a serf
>>29525129
I get the spirit of what you are saying but they are people whose job it is to come up with ways to avoid that situation... proper overwatch, overhead support, and intel support are meant to prevent that type of thing.
>>29522800
Won't u have less losses if ur army is better equipped/trained tho?
>>29525325
>We'd be speaking a lot more German right now.
Nah. Germans would be speaking a lot more Russian, though.
>>29531603
Yall got serfs in da south? Jenny git me good suit out we got guesses ova
>>29522774
You don't understand anything, and you are just stupid. Poop, Poop on you.
