What state/county has the most skilled and competent swat team?
>>29513901
fuddapoles
>>29513901
ded moderate terrorist in less then 30 minutes or we add extra ded bodies
>>29514770
These guys must be experienced as fuck because of almost constant kebab removing.
I'd say Londons counter terrorism police. They only accept guys with 5 years special forces experience and at least 10 confirmed kills...
FBI Hostage Rescue Team > Everything else
>>29515146
I know HRT shits on everyone else but local swat teams specifically
Anderson county South Carolina has a really nice swat team. I don't live there or work for them, but they're high speed. Lots of really poor and high crime rate counties like that have damn good swat teams.
>>29513901
Russia. Everybody dies.
>>29514770
>Rear notch sights on the dust cover instead of front trunnion
What AK variant is this?
>>29515202
Probably a pkm
Apparently LAPD metro division SWAT is pretty good
>>29513901
>that first guy
>>29515293
Or at least not as incompetent as the other wannabe leet operator SWAT teams
>>29515202
>>29515213
PKP actually. "Basically" a PKM, but more modernized. Identifiable by that weird looking carry handle on the barrel. In other pics the PKP also has the bipod attached near the front sight post while the PKM's is mounted more towards the receiver.
>>29515202
>ak
>>29515202
>>29515213
PKP, you can tell from that anti-mirage band in front of the feed tray cover
>>29515130
What.
SWAT is so saturated in the USA, every local PD with 5 fudds and milsurp can called thelmselves SWAT
>>29515302
They should have left him alone.
>>29513901
It's not Montgomery County sheriff's in Ohio. I know some of them and it's kind of pitiful.
A few years back they had a residence surrounded and the disturbed resident charged out his front door with a gun.
Most of swat opened fire on him but only one bullet hit him. It hit him in the head but only knocked him out without doing much damage because it was actually a ricochet off the sidewalk.
There's other stuff too.
As you said county/city I'd say BOPE. Otherwise GIGN and HRT
>>29515130
I hope that's bullshit, because that's fucking retarded. Source?
Also that looks like a woman in the picture, and...
>Special forces
>women
>>29513901
Not Pima county. They used an old building near my job for training and I checked it out every day after they were done. Pitiful at breaching even regular wood doors, left explosives garbage, casings and unused blast wire lying around. And they drew stupid shit on the chalk boards.
>>29515866
i've done this dance many times in my career
i'm going to invent a 6 point sling that lets you attach 2 weapons without them fucking turning into mixed spaghetti also you can attach them to a backpack and don't almost fucking garrote yourself if you drop the pack
>>29515866
I know that struggle. That's why you scabbard the breacher and never sling a friendly's rifle over your chest, single shoulder or carry it.
>>29515866
>tfw no gm94
>>29515414
what happened in that one?
>>29515866
I go akimbo. No need for AR's.
>>29513901
NYPD ESU are the finest, most professional dog killers out there.
>>29516259
Spetsnaz
>>29515130
What is a confirmed kill?
>>29516813
what do you think it is?
>>29516846
Which personal record form is it recorded on?
>>29516316
I'd bet $100 their optics aren't even zeroed. You'd be surprised how many cops don't zero their shit.
>>29516861
how should I know?
>>29515613
>Most of swat opened fire on him but only one bullet hit him. It hit him in the head but only knocked him out without doing much damage because it was actually a ricochet off the sidewalk.
>>29516875
Because the idea of personal "confirmed kills" is bullshit.
>>29516919
It's not. Carlos Hathcock had 93, despite claiming to have killed 300-400 soldiers
>>29516938
What form is it recorded on?
>>29516955
What are the criteria?
>>29516958
the kill having been confirmed by a third party, usually an officer
>>29516975
What official forms show guidance for this criteria?
>>29516983
if you ask the same question three times, you should get the same answer three times
>>29515130
That's a woman in your pic.
>>29517013
I asked you a different question. I asked about the source of criteria for a confirmed kill, which is different from asking where the kill is recorded.
For you can't show a source, then it is clear you are parroting unsourced nonsense about how the military records things.
>>29517057
Yeah, Carlos Hathcock probably doesn't even exist.
>>29517160
Nice snark. So you don't know what the criteria for a "confirmed kill" is enough though upwards in the thread it is claimed to be part of the organizational criteria to enter a job position?
>>29515130
>posts photo of women
>hurr only guys with five years special forces experience
>at least ten confirmed kills
You're a fucking idiot.
>>29517185
I assume the criteria for a confirmed kill is a kill being confirmed
>>29517201
How is it confirmed? The military sets out guidelines for everything. Finding those guidelines should be easy. As should finding the forms in which the kill is recorded.
>>29517227
Then why don't you do it?
>>29513901
Doraville SWAT in GA is pretty good. The FBI used them to help serve a lot of warrants outside of Doraville proper because unlike other SWAT teams in the area they werent all fat fudds. I dont know if that still holds true today.
>>29517239
Because I don't think a "confirmed kill" is something recorded personally for soldiers. I think it's a conflation of personal war stories and pop culture which is repeated as if it has authorize weight.
>>29515168
whens the last time HRT actually did anything?
>>29515168
>>29517295
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/credibility-of-fbis-elite-hostage-rescue-team-is-on-the-line/2016/03/16/56cbf4d8-eb88-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html
The best of the best, for sure.
>>29513901
Shitposting aside the answer is NYPD ESU, they are trained to handle anything from crazy drugged out people to hostage situations to loose zoo animals. Also they are the only snipers who are allowed to protect the President in place of the secret service
>>29517286
Then why ask about how it is done in the first place if you are not going to bother to find it yourself because of what you believe in?
>>29515462
Nobody is arguing that. The real point of discussion is HRT
I imagine the Israelis have some pretty good ones.
>>29515293
Not suprising considering they were prety much frontrunners in getting their SWAT units beefed up after the North Hollywood Shootout. Lots of local SWAT just tooled themselves up post-9/11 because they received the funding for it, but treat their stuff more like expensive toys.
Add in that they get a lot more work to do because that's just how big cities work and you get something that's not just a troop of show-offs.
>>29517295
>whens the last time HRT actually did anything?
I think they were involved in the Oregon standoff.
>>29517239
He doesn't do it because no such forms exist, you fucking mong. BECAUSE "CONFIRMED KILLS" ARE A BULLSHIT MYTH.
>>29518461
Because he was giving you the benefit of the doubt and leading you on, under the assumption that you were just another clueless retard swallowing an old bullshit myth. Turns out you're actually a willfully clueless retard swallowing an old bullshit myth who is in outright denial about his cluelessness to boot.
>>29518725
^ probably because their SWAT does counter-terrorism
>>29515213
>PKP
>>29518861
And they fucked up, as usual
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_fbi_agents_und.html
Does the FBI still use the MP5/10?
>>29521651
>MP5
Probably not.
>/10
Fuck no.
>>29516347
yeah, but what's the context
>>29521844
Drug dealer den got busted.
>>29515146
Well, them and GSG9 are about as good as it gets.
Fuck everyone else.
Man, when did GI Joes get so fucking cool anyways?
>>29522064
>Man, when did GI Joes get so fucking cool anyways?
The 1980s, you little scrub.
>>29513901
Russians, obv. Teams in Dagestan in Ingushetia. Combination of daily based kebab removal experience and decent equipment.
Israeli Yamam are pretty dope, and have lots of experience
>>29522215
Those helmets look stupid as fuck.
GIGN
UK. Nobody dies because they only have to fight people wielding bicycle wheels
>>29522219
For some reason all israelies helmets just look dumb. ALL OF THEM
>>29522222
Impressive quints. Do they still use the manhurin?
>tfw emailed on of thier stateside suppliers
>tfw some random french law prevents then from being exported
I swear to god you fucking frogs.
>>29522200
kek, these fucking dogs running
>>29522222
Quints confirm
>>29522215
Looks like pretty standard helmets to me.
>>29513901
>>29522315
But then there is.
>>29522318
That's RAID, not GIGN. Kind of like comparing some middling SWAT team to HRT or Delta - The GIGN is basically France's answer to both...and they still use .357 revolvers, or did until very recently.
>>29522318
LMFAO did he die?
>>29522353
OP asked for a country or a state, I say France would be pretty high on the list if the RAID didn't exist.
>>29522318
>Filename
Holy kek
Well given we use the SAS as our hostage rescue group...
>>29522421
what's that dumb shit ontop of that g3
>>29522432
Maglight for quick target acquisition.
>>29522432
1. Those are all MP5s
2. Flashlights. This made sense back when technology wasn't as great.
Man thatcher was the most hard-core prime minister of the modern age.
>>29522445
still makes sense they'd be pretty fucking blinding
>>29522479
These days we have smaller lights that can pump out more lumens without having to get taped to the sights.
It made sense for the iconic Iranian raid because the range was short and they were wearing gas masks which would have prevented using the sights well anyway.
>>29522222
I think the funniest description of GIGN I ever heard was from one of the survivors in the Bataclan desribing their arrival: "It felt like Darth Vader coming in."
>>29523135
Wasn't it the BRI though?
The only good answer.
>Not posting Unit 777
>Implyimg anybody operates harder than 777.
>>29522421
The brits used to be cool as fuck. What happened to them? So many fags there now
>>29522222
German Imperial Giganiggas?
>>29516864
Because swat teams have 100 yard engagement ?
>>29522215
> "Shooting at kids with rocks"
> " have lots of experience "
>>29516640
>New guy gets the RPG.
YAMAM are the best SWAT team in the world by far
These guys might deserve an honorable mention
Probably the best are the ones in the U.S. that don't make the news very often.
It's incredibly difficult to do something without it being documented and scrutinized, plus they probably handled it pretty good if it didn't make the news because news means there was probably casualties and sensationalism. Not exactly good publicity for law enforcement.
>>29524210
This.
SWAT isn't mentioned if there isn't a shootout.
>>29522297
Because it's a standard helmet.
>>29522219
It's a "kaplast" (plastic helmet)- meant for rioting where you have mostly deal with just rocks and Molotovs.
>>29523660
They're super duper great, easily among the very best, but what you base "the best" claim on? Especially the "by far"?
>>29526281
>מד"ס ופק"ל
העיניים שלי כואבות מלהסתכל על זה
>>29526346
> So I was just about to get into the shower, when suddenly the Removal alarm went off. I just garbed the gear and came as fast as I could.
oh btw for all the guys posting YAMAM, i'm israeli and i've seen them in training in person once and i can tell you that other than sayeret matkal guys and a certain intelligence corps field unit and the eilat counter terror unit i've never seen anyone that can live up to their level. easily the best counter terrorism and CQB training in the country.
no idea about other countries but these guys are the best in the land.
>>29526378
>you will never get those tacticool BDUs with the pockets on the arms
why even live
GSG9
>>29523477
If you get called to respond to an active shooter event in a mall or on a school campus you can easily have 100 yard sightlines. I remember seeing an interesting FB post from a former Delta guy complaining about how idiots zeroing at 50 yards and calling it a 200 yard zero was going to get people killed.
>>29521844
The guy in the bathrobe was undercover police IIRC. They shot blanks to avoid hitting him. Was a sting operation.
>>29523343
The bitch in the middle happened.
>>29513901
Pick a major city with a decent crime rate. LA, NY, MIA, etc
>>29522200
You know what the purpose of Spetsnaz was? "To overcome superior (in number) forces with limited resources."
Guess what's not happening in any of the FSB/SOBR videos?
Storm 333 was about the only example of Spetsnaz doing Spetsnaz things.
>>29527136
She's dead thankfully the retarded old witch.
>>29513901
Pennsylvania state police
The swiss " task force tigirs" seems to be realy bad ass. They created the unit 2002 and it was first revealed to the public 2009. They had 130 operations in switzerland during this time and not single shot was fired....
Wouldnt say they are the best but pretty sure they can kick ass.
Can't deny that the Motor State have the most boss vehicles
Not sure if they are the most skilled, but the most heavily armed in the UK are the Strathclyde police, they patrol outside the nuke base up there. Fuck all to do though, its in the middle of nowhere.
>>29528300
>over 100 operations for 7 years and nobody knew it existed
That's top elite shit right there
>>29528300
>They had 130 operations in switzerland during this time and not single shot was fired....
that's the hallmark of skilled police work. Good job switzerland
>>29515866
>BTDT
>VOLUNTEER for shotgun training
>Fucking shoot door-bolts, that is it
>Now stuck carrying Mossberg 500, with M4
>No Biggie, but Supply supplies no fucking slings
>Macgyver a sling out of 550 cord, fucking shit
>Do pic related dance every day on deployment, Why?
>"Need" that Shotgun, never really need it.
>Never volunteer, ever. Even for cool shit.
>>29528539
Thats the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, they carry G36's, glock 17's and baton launchers. Police Scotlands armed units just carry MP5's and glocks, only 400 armed cops up there though. They had to fly 2 armed cops with an RAF helicopter to the Shetland isles last year when a boy with aspergers had an air rifle, as theres no armed cops on the place. it took them 2 hours to get there.
>>29528752
>>29528769
or it's the hallmark of pussy ass criminals
>>29528859
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2870530/Terrifying-moment-teenage-gunman-takes-aim-police-officers-firearms-incident-Scottish-island.html
Rather ridiculous, but such is life in the far north.
>>29523185
Yes, GIGN don't have jurisdiction in Paris proper.
>>29528897
Dude aims at officers and they won't shoot him dead. Those are some well-trained guys. They kept their cool and saved even the suspects life.
>>29528296
represent
>>29515302
Hey he does look like Mike Wahlberg.
>>29521651
They're having to exchange them in; I think they're switching to the MK18.
>>29521682
Derp
>>29529331
Pretty sure they've had AR15s for a while. Heard they used to issue RRA carbines but I think they're in the process of switching to something else.
>>29515613
Sounds like an Ohio thing. We don't have too strict gun laws but nobody has a gun in this state. Nobody can shoot for shit.
>>29517497
NYPD ESU is a bunch of liberal fags though.
>>29517497
LAPD swat would stomp all over NYPD
>>29516958
bringing back ears was one way I've heard of. Also thumbs, ballsacks, dick necklace, etc
>>29527957
whats wrong with Thatcher?
>not including the Brazil SWAT
>>29520450
> The sheriff in neighboring Grant County, Glenn Palmer, described the police operation as an "ambush."
As any person who watched the Predator drove footage, would.
Fuckin TreeSpook didn't have cause to shoot the dude in the back. Only the officer in front could of made that call. My guess is HRT had rubber bullets loaded in their M4's and shot the fucker in the waste, hence why he was trying to keep his hands up, but involuntary pain reaction to waist due to rubber bullets pushed the already knee-jerky cops into shooting the fucker in cold blood.
funny how you dont hear shit about this anymore in the media....
>>29521844
something about kidnappings and drugs.
>>29528296
>those faces in that pic
Did someone shoop 007:Goldeneye faces onto their bodies?
>>29522421
When I asked Horsfall if he wanted the negotiations to succeed, he gave a brutally honest reply. "We didn't want them to surrender. We wanted them to stay there so we could go in and hit them. That was what we lived for and trained for. It's a bit like somebody training you to drive a racing car but never letting you get into the car and actually do a grand prix. We didn't want the negotiators to be successful. Ultimately, we wanted to go in there and do the job."
Just before the SAS team went in, Tom claims that a highly sensitive message was passed from Thatcher. He says that nothing was written down and it was relayed off the record, verbally, to the assault team. "The message was that we had to resolve the situation and there was to be no chance of failure, and that the hostages absolutely had to be protected. The prime minister did not want an ongoing problem beyond the embassy - which we took to mean that they didn't want anybody coming out alive. No surviving terrorists."
>>29522421
>>29523343
>>29530049
This
As UK and Aus use SAS and SASR (TAG West and 2nd Commando TAG East)
Sorry the others do look cool and do cool shit but SAS win hands down.
>>29530049
what happened to you guys
>>29530049
>" The baddie with the grenade. He got four magazines emptied into him. He was pretty well dead. The coroner stopped counting at seventy-eight bullets." - Mack
>>29530255
What was that Rob Zombie video with them?
What, the fuck.....
Takin' down fat indians all day err day.
>>29517239
Not him, but I assume it's because those guidelines and forms don't exist, you absolute moron.
>>29522222
Truly worthy of quints
>>29530255
SAS is a military. SWAT is a police force.
>>29515613
I lived in Trinidad CO for a while and the local PD were literally retarded
I witnessed several of the LEO's practice their "hostage rescue drills" which consisted entirely of may dumping into a berm with no apparent target because there wasn't one
>>29522249
>dogs
>>29528888
Swiss here.
Pussyass probably right but our anti-riot force has a shitload of experience.
>>29532425
French fgts
>>29534319
is there even a reason to be a criminal in a country like Switzerland?
>>29530049
>which we took to mean that they didn't want anybody coming out alive. No surviving terrorists."
Hostages said they shot surrendered terrorists. I wonder if that's a good or bad policy.
On one hand, if the SAS are coming you might as well go nuclear. Kill as many hostages as you can and get suicidal with the SAS. Just blow everything up.
On the other hand, if you escalate the situation to the point of requiring the SAS, you will not survive.
>>29528888
I wouldnt say that. The task force gets activated when the police of the canton/state cant handle it by themself. And the bigger corps like Zürich or Luzern all have their own swat teams... so those guys dont deal with pussy criminals
>>29529844
Fitting outfits considering they are fighting cockroaches/bugs
>>29520450
Every time I read about an FBI sharpshooter they're trying to murder the suspect
>>29534729
Lavoy said, in no uncertain terms, that he was going out fighting, and he did.
He knew what he was doing.
>>29529811
Absolutely nothing.
For a while there, the UK was great.
>>29530336
Nothing. It's a /k/ / /pol/ fantasy that the UK is some liberal shit hole.
>>29517286
As far as I know only tabs are kept on snipers, joe SF dood who may have waxed 300 people clearing rooms doesn't have his kills confirmed
>>29522064
GSG9 aren't even the best in Germany
>>29532425
>>29513901
The one that decides to shmel the building and suffocate/incinerate the suspects/terrorists instead of creeping in, unless they really have to.
Call me a slavboo but they have it right when it comes to that sort of thing
>>29534756
Huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilQgTHqiIek
He said he was going to the sheriff and bucked the police. He swerved away from the road block ahead, almost hitting an officer. Seconds later, right when he steps out of the car, a bullet hits the window. The sharpshooter shot at him because he had the shot, not because anyone was in danger at that moment. Then they get caught fucking with evidence.
Apparently fleeing from police is grounds for execution these days.
>>29532954
What's the difference
>>29532954
Wouldn;t SWAT be paramilitary?
>>29534775
You're in denial, and this is coming from a Brit.
Man am I glad I no longer live there.
>>29517334
Oh well.
I mean, fucking good work..
They should have tortured those "people" who attacked Federal property in Oregon. I hope Ted Bundy gets raped painfully every day XD
>>29523196
Probably gotta get an adams apple weld to see thru an eotech on top of a carry handle.
maybe not a swat team but no one can beat these guys
>>29540428
Eh they'd probably have taken a few casualties.
You haven't seen the clip of a 100 armed militiamen rolling up to the FBI headquarters to announce their grivances huh. That shit must have been tense for the 10 or so fbi tactical guys popping out against what could have been a total shitshow.
Here's Virginia's SWAT, couple weeks ago a the police did a counter terrorism exercise and after the exercise it's accustom to shake hands with the participants and some dude shot a state police officer and killed him.
>>29515414
That was a fast response.
>>29541904
>Here's Virginia's SWAT, couple weeks ago a the police did a counter terrorism exercise and after the exercise it's accustom to shake hands with the participants and some dude shot a state police officer and killed him.
what
