Cody Wilson and Defense Distributed has done more for gun rights than the NRA has done in 30 years.
>>29512183
>DA EBIL NRA
Then don't join and miss out on the magazine just Holy shit shut the fuck up forever
>>29512183
He is a dick though. He also hasn't really done anything, he's just the guy in the video. He has other people doing most of the technical stuff and they all say he is a dickhead.
I wouldn't mind having one of their Ghost Gunner machines.
>>29512209
NRA isn't evil, just ineffective.
Their leadership needs to be purged and replaced with young gun rights radicals who understand media and technology.
>>29512183
>NRA is too mainstream
Tell me what the NRA has done wrong
>>29512183
>Cody Wilson and Defense Distributed has done more for gun rights than the NRA has done in 30 years.
Not really
>>29512222
He's responsible for their media, overall message, and legal strategy.
>>29512237
They haven't done enough
>>29512232
I'll give you a point on that, but what major organization isn't suffering from geriatrics?
What generation hasn't suffered from it?
Nra is fine
>>29512183
Except he hasn't done anything.
>>29512273
This is a stupid philosophy and irrelevant. The NRA are slowly losing our rights because they are incompetent. This is a betrayal of our trust and confidence.
Their leadership needs to be replaced so they can be effective. And by effective I mean working towards abolishing NFA and the BATF.
Reminder that Cody and DefDist are fighting the state department over your rights to legally purchase, make, and disseminate free speech about firearms.
Images posted daily on /k/ might very well violate ITAR, and the state department has essentially made the case about the first amendment. "Are you anti-gun or pro-free speech?" Is a question I ask a lot of people now because of how tightly intertwined 1A and 2A are by the governments own hand, and most people on the anti or neutral side don't know how to respond to that.
Cody's online persona is playing a giant asshole, and that's entirely the point. Because at the end of the day after all the media and congressional bitching the feds came out and said "we can't do jack shit for practical enforcement".
Regardless of what you think of his online persona or the man himself in person if you have met him, this ITAR lawsuit is Heller levels of important IMO. The government arguments being made in the case have major implications about your ability to even talk to someone about firearms, let alone actually purchasing one.
ITT: People who don't lift a finger criticizing the people who do the most work.
>>29512254
This dumb fuck. You kids need to understand that without NRA 2nd amendment would have been overrun by now.
Yea yea I know it's not perfect, but it's
pretty fucking good. Gun rights have expanded tremendously in the past 15 years. NRA fought tooth and nail in the wake of sandy hook, NRA-ILA fights pro bono for all us gun owners when we call them. We better all pray to God NRA stays here for good because it's the best political organization that we have on our side
>>29514437
Absolutely correct anon. This is a hugely important case and props should be paying attention. Read up in the briefs at their website:
https://defdist.org/ddvus/
They're actually shipping the software for the ghost gunner on a thumb drive because they don't want to get in trouble with ITAR if they had their customers simply download it from their site. How ridiculous is that? Fucking CAD software.
>>29514713
this. people bitch about the NRA, but if every single gun owner in America joined right now, we'd have silencers and machine guns by 2017.
>>29512229
All it does is complete 80 percent lowers though.
Until it can machine a reciever from a block of alluminum its not really all that impressive except as a scare piece to tease the antis with.
>>29514713
Criticism of the NRA or suggestions on how it could represent us better does not make us ungrateful children.
Your attitude is the problem.
For example, I don't care about hunting. I want to improve small arms technology. That means moving into NFA territory. I want the NRA to have a long term plan to fight these restrictions and eventually eliminate them altogether. But they seem more interested in sucking law enforcement dick and raising money with scare commercials about terrorists.
They have also completely failed to make gun rights a bipartisan issue and have forsaken the support of 50% of the country.
Defdist has spawned an entirely new community of people making homemade guns. That is powerful and can never be taken away. Their upcoming case against the state department could be a huge victory for gun rights and set massively important president. Yet the NRA refuses to support them, refuses to even comment on it. Why?
>>29514898
80% lowers are as easy to buy as any other block of aluminum. You're making a problem where there is none.
>>29514918
The reason why the NRA isnt commenting on the case is because its not a gun rights case. Its a freedom of speech case.
The DOD claims that sharing detailed gun manufacturing schematics and instructions online constitutes exporting defense industry related technology, he claims its free speech.
The case is only related to gun rights, but not about them. Its really about what you can and cant send over the internet.
>>29514918
NRA is in this for the long run, not to get jerked around every week by a new and progressive gun apostle.
Oh that's beautiful- homemade guns. It would be a political suicide for NRA to support then this early on. There are numerous obstacles that need to be resolved, like felons and mentally ill having access to certain technologies. If you want unfettered access to all kinds of firearms fuck off to Somalia.
If you love enjoying your firearms and posting on /k/ about it then be prepared for baby steps.
Finally, are all of you that unrealistic to want to abolish NFA laws like fully automatic and such? That shit is never going away. It would only take one mass shooting with fully automatic weapons after NFA was abolished for us to loose what we gained. Don't be unrealistic cunts
>>29514968
Im saying that it doesnt accomplish the goal of making it impossible to control firearms like he claims it does.
80 percent lowers can be banned, and then you have a machine that is useless.
Make it so you can feed blocks of aluminum into it to create recievers and you actually have made it impossible to control firearms manufacture.
Im not saying its not impressive, im saying that it relies of something that can be banned in order to work.
>>29514971
It's both dude. How can you not see that being able to talk about guns is part of the right to bear arms. That's like saying you have the right to own guns, but not to buy or sell them. Get real.
>>29515004
It's not against the law for you to make your own firearm, but you can't allow unimpeded access to technologies that would allow every moron on the street to get a gun, think before you post please. We don't need this kind of knee jerk nonsense
>>29514713
I know that they know to compromise, but that is usually the argument I hear used against them
>>29515004
There's no real technical difference between milling a block of aluminum and milling an 80% block of aluminum, it just takes a little longer. Just a matter of programing and a few more worn out drill heads.
>>29515002
The NFA being abolished is to /k/ommando's what el dorado was to conquistadores.
It would validate a lifetime of effort and yearning, but its seemingly always just over the next hill.
Its nice to hope, and hell, I will support any effort that goes into abolishing it on priciple that I hate the NFA, but I agree, i dont think its going to happen.
We will have railguns and laser rifles and machineguns will STILL be on the NFA list.
>>29512232
Nigga, you dumb.
Being the 2A ACLU will produce more consistent and better results than any of the retardation you suggest
>>29515054
I understand that but frankly I'm pretty blow away at awesome gains we've made in the past 10 years or so. Gun owners are more influential than ever, I regularly donate to various firearms organizations, send emails, bug my senators. We gotta do what we can and slowly inch our way forward. We didn't have our rights erroded over night and we won't have them restored over night
>>29515020
You are misunderstanding the legalese behind the case.
Its not saying you cant build guns.
Its not saying you cant sell guns.
Its not even saying you cant talk about guns.
Its saying that you cannot release detailed manufacturing info onto the internet.
The DOD cites laws concerning homeland security and releasing defense related information to foreign sources. It actually has very very little to with gun ownership.
>>29515093
This guys gets it
>>29515025
That's the whole fucking point of the wiki weapon dude. To show that you don't have the ability to restrict guns in the first place. You wanna put government mandated always on DRM and a GPS device in every 3d printer and CNC machine? Do you honestly think that even tyrannical measures like that would stop people from building guns if they wanted to?
First and second amendments are inexorably tied together.
This isn't just important for America. Anyone, anywhere in the world should be able to arm themselves if they wish. Gun rights are human rights. And now nobody can stop them.
>>29515093
Read the legalese before you open your mouth again. This case is about much more than that.
https://defdist.org/ddvus/
>>29515089
I honestly lived in a bubble for a long time, in Montana we have some of the least restrictive gun laws in the nation.
Or state even tried to formally refuse the federal governments right to enforce gun laws inside our state borders (arguing that federal government is only able to intervene in interstate trade, therefore a machinegun manufactured in montana and confined within the borders of montana is not within the scope of federal authorities to intervene)
Went over like a lead baloon and the supreme court shot it down almost as soon as it went up, but it was definitely a moral victory. Montanans jump at an opportunity to thumb thier nose at the feds, hell our capitol has a confederate calvaryman on the front lawn for just that reason. We werent even a fucking state during the civil war, we just like pissing feds off.
But then I was stationed in cali for 4 years. Jesus. Fucking. Christ. People go thier entire lives without firing more than 10 rounds at a time! How do they not die from shame when they use bullet buttons?
I used to think there was nothing wrong with gun laws, now I realize i live in an extremley isolated and rare zone of awesomeness, and that its important to try to make it that way everywhere.
>>29514971
> the individual right to manufacturing guns and sharing technical information about it online is not a gun rights issue
This is what you sound like
>>29515139
The guys entire main arguement is that its a freedom of speech violation. The core of his case centers around whether or not the DOD's actions constitute censorship.
The NRA does not deal with freedom of speech. The only relation to fire arms ownership rights is that the subject being censored is gun related, and the guy is a gun rights spokesperson.
Nobody said its illegal to own a printed gun, or to print guns, the DOD said that the manner in which he released his information was illegal. He says it wasnt.
Thats the case.
>LOLbertarianism
LOL
The government is your friend.
>>29515278
The more I learned about the principles of libertarianism the more I realised that people who bash libertarianism just think it's corporate anarchism
>>29515025
If someone has half a brain and the ability to go to a basic hardware store they already have the ability to make at least a slam fire shotgun.
Gun control is pointless.
>>29515002
So what you're saying is, the NRA doesn't have a principled position on gun rights. They support the status quo, and that's as far as it goes. And you think nobody should have a problem with that or disagree at all.
OK.
>>29515225
>>29515020
In popular usage yes, but in legal terms they are very different things. Specifically issues concerning the ownership, possession, and sale of firearms is covered by the Second Amendment, while the publication and transmission of ideas is the First Amendment.
The NRA focuses on the Second Amendment.
>>29515457
The NRA is busy keeping the status quo.
It cant go supporting every swinging dick who says his cause is related to gunrights. Money and resources is an issue.
The NRA-ILA is all you need for the justification of the NRA.
What has Cody Wilson/DD actually done? I know what they stand for.
>>29514897
That's not going to last a year.
>>29515546
The Second Amendment Foundation is representing Defdist. You're just making excuses for the NRA - they haven't even come out in support of home manufacturing. They haven't commented at all.
This is an important case and these guys have gotten a shitload of national and international media. I understand that the NRA doesn't specialise in 1st amendment issues. But this absolutely is a 2nd amendment issue, and the NRAs silence is deafening.
>>29515664
Its enough to survive for a year, but not very happily.
I think the "basic reccomendation" theyre talking about assumes that its not your sole food source and that you will supplement your stored food with whatever you can find.
If that was your sole source of food I think you would starve, but if you could shoot squirrels, grow a garden, trade for or buy food stuffs on occaision then you could make it.
>>29515025
You have a fetish for the taste of boot leather or something?
>>29515093
Your post brought that scene in tombstone to mind. Gun control worked fabulously for Morgan Earp, didn't it?
>>29515004
>80 percent lowers can be banned
>You can ban blocks of aluminum that have the wrong shape
>>29512232
>ineffective
>gun laws have mostly gotten less restrictive nation-wide in recent years
>held up an unrelated ivory law because muh cowboy guns
>held up appointment of a surgeon general because he looked at them funny
I will say they suck at getting their message out, if that message is "you should have a gun", they and their lackeys only seem to preach to the choir and to congress
Ya know, it occurs to me that this would be the perfect court case for the NRA and ACLU to team up on.
Imagine it. What a wonderful world this could be.
>>29514897
>silencers
holding your cause back desu-ne
>>29514918
>I want to improve small arms technology. That means moving into NFA territory.
NFA?
>They have also completely failed to make gun rights a bipartisan issue and have forsaken the support of 50% of the country.
That's a good point. Whether you're for it or against it, it's too charged and too complicated and too big to be good as a political issue, let alone a partisan issue, but the NRA is happy to just support the republicans and let everyone else sit and spin.
>>29516317
>Implying it hasn't been done before
>>29516485
ACLU doesn't fight 2A cases. Their official is Heller doesn't count and individuals don't have a right to bear arms, ACLU is firmly anti-gun.
https://www.aclu.org/second-amendment
>>29512237
NRA supported The NFA initially.
>>29516677
Primus: what the fuck ACLU
Secundus: still, there are important 1st amendment issues here. This case is worthy of their support. If the government can ban online speech based on "national security", how long until they ban speech about... problematic religions? Or technical information about encryption that could protect journalists? Or speech coordinating political demonstrations? All in the name of safety and security.
ACLU should hold their noses and do the right thing in this case.
>>29516871
Nevar forget. They aren't principled. NRA=fudds, they will throw us under the bus at the first opportunity.
Remember the video games.
>>29515664
Why not, Anon?
How many pounds of food do you eat in a day?
As it was said, however, you wouldn't be very happy with it.
Wouldn't you get scurvy, though?
>>29516888
They have represented sides they didn't like before. I'm not sure why they chose not to do so here. Maybe they didn't think it was 'serious' enough, maybe because he already has representation.
>>29515002
>Finally, are all of you that unrealistic to want to
abolish NFA laws like fully automatic and such? That shit is never going away
GIT TAE FUCK
I wonder what you would have said about the AWB in 1997.
>>29515084
>Being the 2A ACLU
Is this not basically the SAF?
>>29515155
Good man.
>>29516552
NFA = national firearms act
And yes, the NRA has purposefully (I can't think of any other way it could have happened) let themselves become the right wing boogyman. Dr MLK Jr was heavily armed. Guns rights are important because the weakest and most vulnerable members of our country need the ability to protect themselves. Gun rights are natural rights and human rights. It's the most bleeding heart issue ever, yet the NRA has pissed this away and fucked up their image for all time. Such incompetence and lack of foresight, it boggles the mind.
>>29512232
Then join and vote for the board you fucking mongoloid.
the reddit cunts itt are pissing me off so much
>>29517094
They should at least issue a statement of support.
>>29515229
You talk like a fag. More importantly you are so, so wrong. How can publishing CAD files for a plastic object be a compelling national security issue? Protip: it's not. It's just free speech. Gun rights and freedom of information are the same thing.
Wake the fuck up.
>>29516922
this. they dont give a fuck about restrictions on us unless they hurt the american arms industry. importation bans will last forever because theyre scared of the competition.
>>29512232
My issue with the NRA is they are like cancer doctors. They make alot more money off the treatment of the disease of gun control than they do curing it.
>>29520041
At what point in that post did I ever say I agree with the DOD's position?
I actually do think the DOD illegally censored the guys idea, but that was never the arguement. The arguement was that the NRA isnt getting involved because its a case of illegal censorship.
Is the SPIRIT if the case guns? Yes, but the meat and potatoes of it is censorship, which gives the NRA too much shaky ground to jump in on it, or atleast from thier perspective it does.
>>29520636
>government is threatening gun rights
>this is somehow not the NRAs problem
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Free speech issues might not be the NRAs speciality, but they haven't even commented on this at all. No statement of support, no nothing. They gave defdist the cold shoulder. Building guns, talking about guns, designing guns... This is all relevant to gun rights.
I want an explanation from the NRA.
>>29515054
>The NFA being abolished is to /k/ommando's what el dorado was to conquistadores.
A myth?
>>29512183
>>29512247
>>29514437
I just want to suck his dick and cuddle with him after a long day of indulging in our second amendment freedom, but in a really "fuck you to the man" kinda way...
>>29520818
Again, I also never stated that I agreed with the NRA's opinion. I have simply stated the dynamics of the case as they have played out. I understand your using me as a sounding board to voice your frustrations though.
Its an irritating case because it essentially demonstrates how one can violate one part of the bill of rights in order to attack another one.
Its really a very clever feint on the DOD's part, but thankfully the last case that set a precedent similar to this one was a journalist publishing nuclear fusion info that the DOD claimed could be used by foreign sources to build a bomb. It was determined that the data was publicly available and that no breech of national security occurred, so I have high hopes for this case.
The guy fighting it IS rather wealthy and well educated, so hes not exactly defenceless. Im eager to see our rights protected, but it is a shame that the NRA only care about us SPENDING MONEY on guns and not building them ourselves.
There always has been a strong manufacturer lobby present within the NRA that enjoys the import bans, its not hard to imagine that they might just not like the idea of us not buying thier biggest supporters products anymore.
>>29520867
Pretty much, yeah.
But I mean they used to think that nukes would ignite the atmosphere and that your heart couldnt pump blood in zero G so Its nice to hope.
What is a good group to join that isn't the NRA to support our gun rights?
>>29521090
You are kinda shit out of luck sadly.
The best you can really do is find a local group to support in your state, but your mileage will vary considerably.
Here in Cali we have 3 main orgs, Calguns, Firearms Policy Coalition, and California Rifle and Pistol.
I have donated to Calguns once since they actually do shit, and the 3 of the, do work together on a lot of stuff but they can only do so much.
>>29516282
I don't want every nigger and spic to be able to make guns easily, to be frank with you.
>>29512183
>>29512237
NRA supported the Hues Amendment in 1986 (30 years ago) which closed the machine gun registry.
>>29521906
Fucking fudds, Fucking Pwrans.
>>29516446
Not in California or New York...you can have all the pride in your fly over state all you want, but those two states represent the whole country and it is where the Anti guns come from, you need to turn these states red and reverse their anti gun laws to "cut out the cancer" and prevent it from spreading.
Without pro gun victories in those states, your state will always be under threat of anti gun movements.
As a Californian, the NRA has done nothing for me and even scolded us for using ways around the assault weapon ban, and hand gun roster.
Calguns has actually taken the state to court.
>>29516922
This. Look at California...ammo and guns are always expensive thanks to all of the regulations and despite all the restrictions in 2015, Californians bought more guns than all states of the Union combined, including Texas.
Having restrictions promotes price hikes and keeping them stable...same with import laws, if the import sporting laws were removed, just like with the car industry, American gun companies will have to deal with super cheap, yet high quality imports that will force them to lower their prices.
The NRA does not want that, and if all anti gun movements were abolished and we had complete 2end amendment freedoms, then the NRA would be out of a job, why be a paying member to an organization that has no more purpose in existing?
>>29520106
This.
>>29520106
Implying you can cure cancer
>>29515155
NC here, dayum I want to move to Montana
>>29521906
NRA supported the Firearm Owners Protection Act. The Hughes amendment was added as a rider to this otherwise good gun legislation in a democratic attempt by Charles Rangel to assassinate the bill before it reached Reagan so he wouldn't sign it. He signed it into law anyway.
The only reason you can buy ammunition without your personal ID info being copied down and and you can buy ammo mail order in bulk off the internet from other states even is because of FOPA.
>>29523518
This. Ammunition was one step away from being regulated with background checks like firearms without FOPA. We would have been in deeper shit.
>>29515054
Railguns and Lasers aren't firearms under the NFA or the GCA
"discharged by an explosive"
>>29523518
>>29523540
And the Hughes amendment didn't even pass, but was added to the final bill anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Mx2UcSEvQ
>>29521906
The NRA supported the Firearm Owners Protection Act. The Hughes Amendment was tacked on in the final stages of passing the bill. The NRA challenged the Hughes Amendment in Farmer vs. Higgins but the case was declined by the Supreme Court.
>>29522808
If the NRA is against the importation of foreign manufactured firearms why would it support the Lawful Purpose and Self Defense Act?
>>29514495
this. everyone who has enough money for guns has enough money to donate $5 to a gun rights group of their choosing
>>29514898
It's more for the lazy man that doesn't want to invest in the proper tools and methods for properly milling out a receiver. I will admit that $1500 is a bit steep considering it can perform one task. Then again, this is just the beginning and maybe someone will make something a bit more universal that can milling other receivers and parts.
