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>be nogunz
>go to range with friends sometimes
>try P90 and and Fiveseven for the first time
>really like them so much I might buy each
Help /k/. Red pill me on 5.7x28
>fun
>accurate
>good for defense/target
>fucking expensive even with reloading
>>29441399
It's an expensive meme round that goes fast and has light ap capabilities. if you feel like wasting money, buy a PS90 and a meme seven.
>>29441399
five seven is awesome, but stupid expensive to shoot
also, that grip gets annoying after long shooting sessions
>>29441435
>too expensive to shoot
not really, 50 round boxes go for about 25 bucks
the ps90's that are produced nowadays have a shitty rail on top and most optics will give you a chin weld. there are some aftermarket mounts available, aside from that the only thing i would gripe about is that the charging handle ears are too small. fun gun, overpriced but fun.
>>29441470
I got two 50 rounds for $29 dollars and the p90 I rented had a red dot I was perfectly comfortable with after two mags. Anything else I should look out for? Money isn't too big an issue.
>>29441793
just stick to FN magazines and try to avoid american eagle 5.7 ammo. i would recommend getting aftermarket charging handles (k9 charging handle) but there isn't much selection/availability right now. TRO and dmachineri make good aftermarket mounts for optics
ps90 is a neat gun. limited ammo selection aside, you should get what makes you happy OP.
>>29441470
>>29441399
Or spend half the money you would on a Piece of Shit 90, build/buy an AR, then spend half per round on ammo, and havea gun with a round that can have apllocations.
and when people say "light armor piercing capabilities" means out of the 16" barrel is can usually defete soft armor, whereas 5.56 will always defeat soft armor, and some rounds can take out III steel armor.
>>29441423
Under 35cpr is not expensive
https://www.laxammo.com/handgun/5-7-x-28-ammo/american-eagle-5-7x28mm-fn-40-gr-fmj-50-rds-ae5728a-1-detail
>>29441830
>avoid american eagle
Why?
>>29441916
the FN SS197 i have shot (roughly 800 rounds) has been flawless, out of the 100 or so AE rounds about 3 failed to extract.
>>29441399
The PS90 is a fun fucking gun. If you like it and aren't trying to use it as a primary defensive weapon, go for it.
No, none of the commonly available rounds penetrate modern (IIIA) soft armor. Yes, they will penetrate IIA and sometimes level II, but that's 80's tech that really nobody uses any more. Also so will a lot of other rounds (including some of the hotter 124gr 9x19).
The ammo is fairly expensive, even online. Not outrageously so though (about the same as .45acp).
50rd mags can occasionally be hard to find, and if/when you wear out the spring they cannot be disassembled and repaired. Mags are also fairly expensive.
The trigger is mushy and heavy, but the gun wasn't designed as a precision rifle. It's okay for the gun it's in but certainly won't awe anybody.
The entire FCG is plastic, and is easily broken if you put sideways stress on it during assembly/disassembly.
The commonly available loads are pretty bad for self defense. The V-max bullets underpenetrate and fragment, the 40gr FMJ's by American Eagle overpenetrate and neither fragment nor tumble, leaving icepick wounds. Yes, you can get the good (technically banned) stuff in a couple different places if you're willing to pay $3+ per round.
as a civilian it isn't armor piercing and it's basically a meme version of 22 wmr just buy a deagle and shove it in your asshole faggot
>>29441957
>about the same as .45 ACP
wally world don't carry tulammo 5.7 for 14 per 50
>>29441993
that's because tulammo is shit
>>29441993
It's available for around $17.50 a box online. That's pretty fucking comparable.
Also tulammo is shit
Also also most walmarts have it closer to $19 per 50.
>>29441957
>cannot be disassembled and repaired
not true, very easy to take apart and I think optics planet has springs
>>29441965
Out of the 16" barrle the standard ammo will sometimes go through soft armor.
though anything in a rifle round will cut through soft armor like butter.
also im pretty sure hot 9mm in a 16" barrel will also.
>>29442037
Mags I had for mine were plastic-welded together. No way to take them apart. Granted they were the 30rd ones.
>>29442055
Hot 9mm lead-core FMJ's will penetrate lvl IIA and lvl II vests from a 4.5" barreled pistol. Through a 16" barrel they would probably penetrate a IIIA vest.
>>29442090
protip for the 30 rounders, take out the floorplate and hacksaw the retarded extension. now you have a 50 round magazine.
>>29442128
Traded off the gun years ago.
Also the floorplate was plastic-welded on also.
>now starting to think I got ban-state mags with mine for some reason
That or they've revamped the design since 2005.
>>29442090
>>29442147
mine are FN branded and I bought them in 07-08 in CT
>>29441399
>Red pill me on 5.7x28
Cartridge created for full auto gun you will never be able to own.
>>29442020
Tulammo is teh sex and you shut your whore mouth
>>29441855
should i build a 9mm ar pistol for da indoor range? or just stick with 223/556?
>>29441933
This. The FN branded ammo is more expensive, but way better than AE
>>29441957
>armor penetration
The green tip ss198 will penetrate IIIA out out of the long PS90 barrel. I'm not so sure if it does out of the five seven short barrel. Its a decent civilian defensive load, but for hollowpoints they don't expand reliably.
>mags
Idk what your talking about, you can definitely disassemble PS90 mags, right down to the little rollers that tilt the rounds. I've done it multiple times.
As far as the high caps, even if you have the 10/rounders, its just an extended follower. just go to 4gunlovers.com/mpftech, order the baseplate, and switch them out. Boom, 10/round mag now holds 50.
>trigger group
I've never heard out people breaking the trigger group during basic disassembly. Are you talking about a complete detail strip?
>>29442255
Sorry I realize you already answered back a lot of this. You replied wile I was typing.
Get one, they're a little expensive to shoot but half of /k/ shoots snowflake ar 15, if you like it, get it. I love mine to death.
>>29441416
>yes
>yes
>Meh/yes
>Nope
Seriously, it's about as expensive as .45, forget that part entirely.
It was made to defeat body armor, so it's not going to be your best bet for defense against a dindu, but it's still a bullet going fuck-you fast, so it's not like it's useless either.
If you like it, get it.
>>29442255
>>29442275
As mentioned earlier, I must've gotten fucky mags. Mine were also FN branded, but they were completely sealed. I concede this point.
A whole crew of us bought PS90's at the same time. During a detail strip 2 of them managed to get the FCG tray in one rail and under the other and got it wedged. The plastic tray (which holds all the parts in alignment) snapped when they tried to pry it back out. A retard move, for sure, but still.
>SS198
>commonly available
It's nearly a buck a round and I can only find 2 places that sell it online.
Also found a video of them testing it at 7 yards against US GI surplus IBA's (which are approximately IIIA) from a PS90 and it failed to penetrate until the 5th hit within a 1" area.
>>29441399
It's expensive and you can't really get the good stuff. It does what it designed to do well, but as far as civilian applications go it's not very viable. Especially considering you can get 9mm rounds that penetrate 3a armor (copper bullets such as the liberty civil defense or Underwood xtreme penetrator). If you just get any 9mm it's more cost effective so you can train more and you have a more versatile weapon.
Tldr 5.7 is a meme round unless you're military/law enforcement
I think the FiveSeven sucks, bit the p90/ps90 is pretty awesome.
5.7/is better than most give it credit for, especially if you fine the FN branded ss198 green tips. That stuff penetrates IIIA armor consistently, at least out of the ps90s barrel.
The only problem with ps90/is its price. It's a brilliant design, but its still just a basic blowback gun, its uses a lot of plastic, and the finishing on the upper receiver is dogshit.
I'd try to wait if you can find a deal/if FN does a promotional discount.
>>29441399
Their ammo choices suck,e ven if you have the money to pay for PROPER AMMO, you might not find it anywhere.
There are other guns that do what they were designed for better.
If you are sure you can keep it feed with proper ammo though, then they ain't bad.
If you ask me what that ammo is, then you cannot feed it.
>>29442364
Ive seen a shitload of tests on youtube where ss198 sliced through IIIA easy. I know I've seen one where it defeated light bullet proof glass, can't recall the distance though.
But as hollowpoints they definitely suck. In every test they never reliably expanded, they just smushed at the front a little. They usually fragmented slightly.
They always tumbled though, and helped create a decent would cavity.
>>29442581
So have I. Which is why I mentioned the one of it failing to penetrate. I don't know whether that means that IBA's exceed IIIA standards or whether that was a bad batch or what.
I still would not rely on a PS90 to penetrate armor unless you have the banned blacktips with the hardened steel penetrator.
>>29441399
It's quite enjoyable. Pic up an FN red-dot unit that came on the originals, and swap out the shity lego block rail. They have modifications that allow you to turn it into a decent red dot. Here is a pic of mine before the optic conversion.
I also recommend making friends with your FFL and buying some redbox FN ammo. Most won't sell to individuals, but it's not illegal.
Also, it's pretty great as an SBR, too. Huntertown Arms sells a nice barrel extension if the SBR route isn't for you.
It's an anemic round compared to intermediate rifle rounds like 5.56 but it's affordable these days and very very fun. Highly recommend picking up a PS90 if you're interested in them.
>>29442635
Agree 100% on that.
>red dot
Everyone keeps mentioning this OP, get a red dot if you get the ps90. If you ever want to group consistently, you'll need it.
The new PS90s come with a fat top rail with a terrible sight built in. Its just a tiny circular peep with a single blade up front, nothing to line it up in back. It's practically unseeable, especially with eyepro, and thus pretty much worthless, even as a backup sight
>>29442761
>he doesn't know PS90 have three sets of irons
>>29442890
Yeah, those backups on the sides aren't that great either.
Again, you need a red dot .
>>29442961
I'm pretty sure literally no one is espousing otherwise.
I didn't enjoy the 5.7 pistol
But a p90 with the black rig sight like in the OP pic is God tier.
The ammo is .40 a pop. Pricier to shoot than a 9mm or an ar15, but still doable.
Having 5.7 ap is not illegal, but FN won't sell to civilians. So getting it is weird, expensive, and just not worth it. Buy regular 5.7, don't bother with ap.
The p90 is awesome
>>29442997
The original sights are dogshit.
>>29442481
Yes you can get a more practical gun for the money that will get you by.
But from a design standpoint, as a very lightweight, very compact armor piercing carbine (and yes, some civi loads can defeat armor) with ridiculous capacity and controllability, nothing does it better than the p90/ps90
Inb4 lol mp7
>>29442966
Then why you trolling about the backup irons?
>>29443044
>trolling
I don't think you understand what that word means.
>>29443049
>peep sight sucks
>lol backup irons doofus
>those aren't good you need a red dot
>lol no shit
>y u trolling
>I'm not a troll, your an idiot
Trolling: "deliberately antagonizing... Trying to get a rise out of someone/elicit a reaction"
???
>>29443142
>PS90 only have this shitty sight!
>no, they have three shitty sights
>STOP TRAWLING MOM HE TOLLED ME!!!
????
>>29443164
Again
"make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them"
>>29443240
Go read the posts again, champ.
My buddy got one. Doesn't have the red dot but it has some weird glass sight (Like the P90 from MGS4).
Fun gun. Expensive to feed, but fun to take on the pistol range and ring the gong 50 times in quick succession.
If you get one, I recommend removing the rail and getting a better red dot mount. I have the Design Machine mount with a PA microdot.
And I'm not sure why people say it's expensive to shoot, I tend to pay about 30-35 cents a round. Ordering online has its advantages.
It is just fun to shoot. For that reason alone it is worth owning.
>>29443290
I broke it down already
>peep sight sucks
>lol backup irons doofus
>those aren't good you need a red dot
>lol no shit
>y u trolling
>I'm not a troll, your an idiot
Now we're at
>you're undoubeltedly trolling
>stop crying no I'm not
>all signs add up to textbook trolling
>you can't read
This isn't my first rodeo senpai.
>>29443387
>caricaturized hyperbole
You're an idiot, fampai.
>>29443399
>name calling
Your losing your edge.
>>29443015
Eat a dick. The 1.2 black ring is very easy to use.
>>29442364
>During a detail strip 2 of them managed to get the FCG tray in one rail and under the other and got it wedged.
Physically inpossible. Ask me how I know.
Automatics jam. Get a Winchester or .300 Savage; even a Nugget.
>Fudd Master Race
>>29441399
Its a light round with a little recoil, in a gun like the P-90 its basically a tack driver. That is fun. However...If you are just enjoying the fuck out of shooting it, may I suggest trying out a ruger 10/22 takedown and a 110 round GSG drum magazine. If you feel crazy, stick that gun into a bullpup body, and go to town.
What I am getting at is try a few different rifles, learn that you can customize them, and have some fun. I get that you enjoy the tack driving experience, so please ignore people telling you to go for a full size gun.
also. Make a space gun.
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html
http://www.cbrps.com/Ruger.html
http://www.weaponhero.com/gsg-ruger-10-22-drum-magazine-110-round-for-sale
There. PS-90 averages 1K-1.2K
go on the high end of these costs.
400 dollar gun
70 dollar mag
and fuck it, know what, dont build a space gun.
300 for a body
still less than P-90. cheaper ammo. good to go.
"anon, I like the PS-90 asthetic." Ok anon. Here you go.
https://www.hightowerarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTA9022BLK
.22 P-90, because I like to help.
>>29443924
M41A when?
>>29442890
>he doesn't know PS90 have three sets of irons
i do know they give me wood
thank you i'll be here all night
Buy one. Drink the kool-aid and buy a borderline worthless gun
>>29441965
edgy motherfucker right here.
>>29443924
I bet you also tell people that the Hipoint carbine is better than the Beretta CX4 because it's cheaper.
>>29441399
I will admit I would trust the 5.7 in a raifu. I'm not so sure about the civvie flavor 5.7 in the pistol though.
>>29444641
I was just told that Hi-point 9mm is a great starter hand gun was this misleading?
>>29441855
>piece of shit 90
Nigger I will cut you.
>>29441399
The secret that nobody will tell you is that pretty much all guns are good starter guns. Why? Because, for the most part, modern guns are designed to be operated by kids fresh out of high school. And those kids are usually really fucking dim.
And don't think that means older guns are harder to use. It's actually the opposite. They're mostly designed for illiterate peasants and people exposed to large amounts of lead paint.
I fucking love guns, don't get me wrong. But people like to pretend that they're hard to use, because that makes them oper8tor. Guns are called the great equalizer for a reason. Not only are they effective at killing things, any idiot can operate them at least semi-effectively.
>>29442254
That gun is ridiculous.
>>29444969
The velocity difference is negligible. The round is designed for very short barrels, handguns and subgubs. It doesn't pick up a lot of velocity in a full length barrel. When you consider the extremely lightweight bullets, an extra 150 fps is utterly insignificant.
>>29441399
slightly less powerful than 9mm, better penetration overall
>>29442640
>that sexy sexy sawn off
I swear that's the only kind of shotgun I'm even remotely interested in, have you ever tried holding it like a pistol and if so what does it feel like when firing it?
>>29442254
.223 is fine indoors, never had any complaints from anyone.
>>29445412
150fps is actually a lot in the grand scheme of things. It's the difference between ignoring a gust of wind and taking it in the butt from it, it's the difference between a different trajectory from some drywall or going through it like nothing.
>>29445453
Since I live in a brick house I have my .223 as my hdw. If I was in a wood frame house I would definitely use a 9mm with a flashlight and some hollow points. tbhfam.
>>29445430
You mean that 9mm has better penetration, right? Because the opposite is not true.
9mm always goes deeper in ballistics gel.
>>29445412
>extra 150fps
>utterly insignificant.
Nope.
>>29447698
>>29445606
It absolutely is insignificant. It's a 7% difference.
That's not a lot in any scheme of things when you consider the ballistic coefficient of a 31g bullet.
BC is .9-.11 range for all common weights. When you consider the low BC and the ranges that a PS90 would be shot at you're looking at fractions of an inch less drop.
The muzzle energy difference is also insignificant. You're looking at about 50 ft/lbs difference thanks to the extremely light bullet weight.
Seeing as you mentioned drift, I calculated that as well. 150 fps difference gives this bullet .2" less wind drift at 100 yards. 2.3" vs 2.5".
>>29445011
Yes
