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I'm torn between buying a SCAR 17 or buying higher tier AR10 (specifically Sig716) and im not sure which one I should get. Any advice?
I have ~$2000 to spend, obviously for the SCAR I will have to shell out more shekels but is it worth it compared to a Sig716?
A SCAR needs a couple pricey changes to make it good.
So just stick with a basic AR 10.
>>29420233
SCAR fag here.
Today, you'd need about $3k to get one, FN hasn't shipped any SCARs out in like four months, dealer inventory is all but used up. The auction sites have them though.
The SCAR is a more expensive rifle to get into, and it comes in just one model, for now. You can buy/build an AR10 to suit your exact desires for less.
That said, id avoid an SIG 716, they tend be heavy as fuck.
>>29420339
Good point, plus I live in CA so it would be even harder to get my hands on a SCAR. Don't mind the weight of the 716, I actually prefer the extra weight.
>>29420425
SCAR might not be for you. It's silly light for a .308
And Cali models are more expensive
>>29420339
>FN hasn't shipped any SCARs out in like four months,
Get your glorious Belgian machines before they become part of the caliphate.
Also wait for the MDR to come out.
>>29420466
>wait for vaporware, unproven vaporware
I'm thinking of picking up a second 17s in black even with the inflated prices.
>>29420233
The SCAR is 100% worth it. It's stupid expensive for what it is, but there is currently no other battle rifle that's as light, modular, and capable as it is. If I had a choice between any other battle rifle, or the SCAR 17, it would be the SCAR, everytime, no second thoughts.
I don't know why you'd want a heavier gun; if you're worried about recoil, the general consensus is that it's an incredibly soft shooter.
Most people upgrade the triggers, which would be an extra 100-300 bucks. But you're already buying a 3000/dollar rifle, so that shouldn't be a huge issue.
>>29420550
For me, being in California, the issue is finding SCAR mags instead of AR10 mags. As far as heavier rifle, I really like the fact that it's mostly metal as compared to mostly plastic. Lightweight really doesn't matter to me that much, as long as it's a reliable and straight shooter. The 716 is 9.3lbs compared to the scar which is 8lbs. Not too large of a difference.
>>29420763
Well in that case, especially with Mag availability, I say AR10 platform then.
>>29420233
Scar will hold value better. If you go ar10 go all out and get either sr25 or lmt.
>>29421601
Question: why does everyone like LMT so much? I mean they're nice rifles but what's the big difference that separates them from other rifles?
>>29420763
There is no issue with mag availability for the SCAR. There was an issue like four years ago. Today, zero issue
>>29423539
Quality. In materials, manufacturing, and engineering.
>>29421601
>If you go ar10 go all out and get either sr25 or lmt.
this
>>29423574
There are other high end .308 ARs that are worth looking at.
Mind you they are all going to costs as much or more than a SCAR.
>>29420233
scar all the way
>>29423574
>>29421601
>Paying an extra 1500$ for a KAC sticker
>>29423557
He said California, you mouth breather
>>29423539
>>29424272
Sweet mother your full on tarded.
Reduced capacity SCAR mags are not a problem to find. They look a little odd. Sure.
http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/scar-17s-magazines-prod53530.aspx
>>29420339
That's not true, you can still get them for 2k a peice in /k/entucky
>>29424351
Seriously? where?
Ill drive down there if I have to
Just in case y'all didn't know, since it's mostly of concern to /k/anadians, but North Eastern Arms is apparently working on a modern production of the original AR-10, instead of the AR-10B's being discussed here.
>>29424416
Im going to assume most of the people here arent discussing AR-10B, if they are talking armalite pattern its AR-10A, or one of the many modern .308 AR styles out there.
There is enough of an old school conservationist crowd here that would dig on it, especially if they export south.
>>29424351
pls respond
>>29424434
what are the major differences? ar10b had compliant magazines because of the awb?
>>29420233
I like my ar-10 a lot op but you should try to shoot a scar first to see if you want to spend the $. I like the uug boot stock scar's are very aesthetically appealing to me.
>>29424505
AR-10B is a scaled-up AR-15.
>>29424505
Purely magazine change from B to A.
As Eagle Arms bought Armalite after 1994, the ban was a part of it. So they modified what was in plenty supply, M14 mags.
>>29424539
>>29424517
thank you always nice learning new shit
>>29424556
could you swap the lower out to take different mags now? or wouldn't it fit?
I have a SCAR 17. Just get one. Only mod really needed is the Geissele trigger. The stocks, HANDL lower and 20 aftermarket extended hand guards are all gimmicks. Mags aren't that hard to find. Enjoy how smooth the action is and appreciate the finer things in life.
>>29424556
The only major differences between modern AR-10's other than magazines are the buffer tubes and handguards, right? I know some fit both, some only fit one or the other...
>>29424572
I'm pretty sure there are some lowers floating out there with modular magwells, too..
>>29424573
>extended handguards are a gimmick
depends on how long your arms are
>>29424583
No. Reciever extensions have some differences, but those are mostly to match the stock you want to use. Heavier buffers are needed for shorter stocks.
Reciever mating geometry. DPMS is scaled up AR15, KAC is different. Armalite, KAC, LMT, LaRue, Mega, etc all use KAC receiver geometry. KAC uses smaller pins though.
Headspacing/BCG
In the build your own world, its Armalite or DPMS. As finding Armalite BCGs in stock is more miss than hit, go DPMS, MUCH bigger aftermarket. In the prebuilt world, there are many more special setups.
Barrel nut.
DPMS threads or Armalite threads
Reciever height.
Top rail on the upper. DPMS has three standards (Low, High, Gen II) and Armalite.
Some trigger pins are different in some receivers, many stripped recievers all use standard AR15 fire control parts though.
I think thats about it.
>>29424658
Still, quite a bit more to keep track of than AR-15's...
>>29424684
There is.
Good news though.
If you go out an buy a receiver set (Always buy AR10 receivers as sets) the manufacturer should have a compatibility guide on their website, compatibility guidelines on the product page, and worst case you can email and ask.
http://www.megaarms.com/maten/compatibility/
Its easy for the ignorant to mess up, but it doesn't take much time to figure out what you need.
>>29424593
Yeah good point
>>29424312
Doesn't the SCAR take FAL mags as well?
>>29424749
Modified FAL mags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9QXqIE6pdI
>>29424749
No. You can mod metric FAL mags to work tho.
I am confused. I thought my POF 308 was an ar10 but I've read that the design is based off the HK416?
I meant HK417
OP here, so basically the consensus is that I should buy a SCAR over an AR10?
>>29424917
The POF predates the HK417.
They are both piston ARs
>>29424933
Honestly speaking I would argue that a good AR10 beats the SCAR, but finding an AR10 done right is ridiculously hard because there's no TDP out there like there is for an AR15.
>>29424933
FAL and short shorts
>>29424933
You wont be disappointed with a SCAR
>>29424933
Since you live in Calicuckistan I would say the AR-10. You can replace a fucked lower if you ever move. SCAR lowers are not as available.
SCAR17 pricewise makes no sense.
For less than $3k you can get some top tier materials from LWRC, LMT, POF etc that will be way better than the current SCAR17 specs.
Same with the 16.
OP honestly for $2gs I'd look into the DPMS Recon. Really good stuff Ive heard on /k/ and other places about it.
Do you own any AKs? I ask because if I didn't own a .30 cal semi and only had like $2gs I'd buy a couple of AKs if I could do it again. Maybe.
>>29420233
I've read about this OP.
The SR25 is about as accurate as youre gonna get, however needs to be clean to work reliably. Im not talkin about it has to be spotless to function correctly, but it needs to be cleaned often. Costs ~$4k just for the rifle itself, no glass, no rings, no extra mags.
The SCAR17 is not as accurate as a KAC rifle, but it is still suitable. It was created for reaching out to 600m while still maintaining enough reliability. It is not a "sniper" rifle, but rather, basically a AR15 with farther reach in terms of reason/parameters. It does not have a barrel twist rate suitable for 175gr FGMM, most find it to be too slow to stabilize bullets to reach out to 600-800m. It does shoot 168gr well, however, once 168gr passes around 550m, it starts to get all funny with where its supposed to go. It was intended as a battle rifle, however, the plastic lower and fragile stock dont fit the bill, so that means you gonna shovel more money into it to get it 'battle-ready'. Also doesnt help that the price of the fuckin thing keeps going up; they were only $2350 when they first came out, and I believe that was what the MSRP at the time was (mighta been $2500MSRP) Oh, and the 20" version never came out like it was supposed to, a few barrels made it out there, but they cost something like the same as a whole new gun.
Not much info out there on the LMT LR8 or whatever its called, besides the british commandos bought a bunch with their own spec barrels, different twist and length and I think profile than the one LMT sells for civvy sales. LMT does make high quality stuff though and does not disappoint.
Some fuckers will recommend Mark "ManBabby" LaRue's Precision rifle. Its got some faggy name like PredatAR or some shit, and they boast its the best bang for the buck. Personally I stay away from shitheads such as himself, and far away from their overpriced products.
>>29425049
You dont need to replace the lower, and if you did, they are for sale.
>>29425079
Less than $3k?
LMT .308 - $3300 and up
LWRCi REPR - $3600 and up
POF - $2200, this one meets your price criteria
And please elaborate on "top materials" and what is "way better than the current SCAR17 specs"
>>29425199
SCAR stabilizes fgmm even with a 1:12, even the 13" will do 800m no problems with fgmm. Plastic trigger housing is fine, the boot is fine.
>>29425146
Yeah I have an AK already, I've considered getting a couple more but I would rather have a more precision weapon.
>>29425199
Thanks for that info, really helps.
Aside from heaviness, what is wrong with the sig716? Are they up to par with all the other AR10s? The only two AR10s I've used before are an M&P10 and sig716, and the M&P10 was dogshit compared to the 716
>>29425265
>what is wrong with the sig716
no one uses them. Parts are proprietary and expensive as fuck. It just didnt catch any traction like the other rifles did.
>>29425251
>SCAR stabilizes fgmm even with a 1:12
specify what grain youre talking about. Im assuming youre talking about 175gr, which is a load of dogeshit, esp
>the 13" will do 800m no problems with fgmm.
sure, and the mosin can shoot out to 2000m because the rear sight leaf says so.
>>29425324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ1XIukKfaI
>>29425459
>video shows a 16" barrel flinging lead and cant hit shit at 1200m
what exactly is your point here?
>>29425324
Many people run 175gr SMKs in a SCAR with no issues. Whats hard to believe?
>>29425199
>The SCAR17 is not as accurate as a KAC rifle, but it is still suitable. It was created for reaching out to 600m while still maintaining enough reliability. It is not a "sniper" rifle, but rather, basically a AR15 with farther reach in terms of reason/parameters
Found the AR10 owner who wishes he bought a SCAR. The boot really isn't fragile and the lower is pretty tough. Stop posting lies, nigger
>>29425612
KAC chrome lined is a 1.5moa gun too
>>29420233
Go out and rent both of them to shoot. That will determine which one you want.
Or just buy the SCAR. That way if you're not satisfied you will sell it and some other lucky person will get a like-new SCAR for a lower price.
>>29426394
>chrome lining makes your barrel less accurate
wow it's fucking nothing
>>29425542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoea7jW4BMc&t=2m55s
>When the FAL was developed the M118LR cartridge did not exist at the time and as you know it's slightly longer in length than the M80 cartridge....
The M118LR is a 175grain bullet. So it's not like the SCAR wasn't designed to handle it as the SSR variant came after the new SCAR magazines.
But I can understand if the current barrels aren't really suited for it. Having the ability to shoot them isn't a solid indicator that it will be at peak performance with all the of the little things that can throw ballistics off.
>>29425265
DESU if you want to drop serious money on an AR10 I would also consider the DD5V1. I'm hearing reports that they've somehow magically made sub-MOA chrome-lined barrels.
Then again maybe not. I personally think DD should've used a standard charging handle latch design and a nitrided barrel but everything else is pretty much spot on.
![29b0j6p[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/42cw5OP.png "29b0j6p[1].png")
>>29427866
Unless FN changed their barrel making process, the CSR is sub-moa and chrome lined if they want to wait for that $4-5k civilian variant.
what makes the scar so pricey? I know that its cheaper to manufacture than a ar. Are Belgium kikes really taking advantage of our shekels?
>>29428162
>Are Belgium kikes really taking advantage of our shekels?
Absolutely. There are some additional costs involved with importing the rifles and converting them to 922r compliant, but the profit margin on SCAR's is absurd. That said, they are priced according to their competition and what the market will support. FN sells every last one they make and has no incentive nor obligation to lower MSRP.
>>29428162
Every SCAR they make goes out the door and is sold. Demand is still very high.
But I'm not sure how long the SCAR's patent will last anyway. 14 years for a design patent, 20 years for a utility patent... and the prototype SCAR was around in 2003.
So who knows, you might see a whole onslaught of copies coming and that's why FN is gouging while they can.
>>29423604
You could build a mega maten. Check out 8541 tactical on YouTube.He has a couple videos on it.
>>29425324
Ive build on MaTen, after I get my second SCAR 17 in a couple weeks im going to build another AR10 on either MaTen or Falkor SI-D receivers.
AR-10s arent as plug and play easy to a guaranteed sub moa gun as AR15s are. Mind you using mated receivers like you get in a set takes out a lot of the issues. A prebuilt rifle comes with a warranty, and often an accuracy guarantee.
An AR 10 can be built to fit your specific desires for a rifle. A SCAR comes in a single size, single format. You can mod the shit out of a SCAR, though the mods tend to cost more. Demand for both rifles is very high, but if you consider you may have to sell a rifle (I have had to in the past, had some very rough patches) a SCAR, or any factory built rifle, will have a higher resale value.
The choice between an AR10 and a SCAR is not cut an dried. Ive been an FN fanboy since I bought my first FAL, so I lean that way. I also appreciate some of the little things, like a steel nut for the pistol grip screw
>>29428395
I appreciate the non-poorfag in this photo
>>29428404
Thats not mine, this one is. Its very close.
That one was something I saved today and was on the desktop still.
>>29425542
I didnt say they wouldnt shoot, I said they cant hit shit reliably past 600m, due to the fact 168gr stabilizes in a 1/12, but the bullet itself doesnt have enough oomph at 600m, and the 175, while staying supersonic up past 800m, doesnt get properly stabilized to utilize that extra 200m of oomph.
>>29425612
I actually dont own any of them. Id rather a M14 anyway. If field reports show it as fragile in the field, there is a reason why.
>>29428051
>if they want to wait for that $4-5k civilian variant.
they been talkin about that 20"er since the fuckin rifle came out ~2006. A decade later and it still aint out, so fuckem.
>>29428162
>what makes the scar so pricey?
da joos
>>29428655
To be fair, the first said the Mk20 would be release at last SHOT show and this years.
>>29428655
>16" 1/12 can't hit shit past 600m
This is so wrong it's embarrassing.
>I actually dont own any of them
We already knew that.
>they been talkin about that 20"er since the fuckin rifle came out ~2006
The commercial 5.56mm SCAR wasn't even released until 2009 and the 7.62mm a year later - and yet somehow the've been talking about releasing the 20" version since 2006? No, you're just someone who hasn't a clue what they're talking about.
>>29428728
>This is so wrong it's embarrassing.
prove me wrong bitchnigger, ill wait for your youtube video link. Infact, Ill just cut you short and tell you that the British version of the LMT LR8 (or whatever the fuck its called) has its specific twist rate, because thats what the British found necessary minimum for 118LR to stabilize properly. Protip, it wasnt 1/12
>The commercial 5.56mm SCAR wasn't even released until 2009
thats right buddy, I aint talkin about no commercial shit. My local gunshop had that bigass poster of it hanging in 2007, and told me it was $2400 OTD, Mil/LE sales pricing.
Just cause SOCOM didnt start fielding them until June 2009, doesn't mean they weren't out there.
>>29428839
>prove me wrong bitchnigger
You already did that for me.
>My local gunshop
HAHAHAHAHA! Guess what, good old Jim Bob behind the counter lied to your face and you're such a gullible idiot you just ate it up.
>>29428889
I somewhat question this quote, just based on trigger pull weight alone. The quote seems to imply the SR-25 could not hit at 800yards what the SCAR-H could.
Since it appears you own the SCAR 17, can you verify that the stock trigger is 6lbs trigger pull? That's a bit heavy for a long range rifle. The KAC SR-25 appears to be a 2-stage 4.5lbs pull, which makes a bit more sense a precision setup.
I don't know, maybe the SR-25's were unreliable, so that might explain the switch. But I can't imagine too many long distance shooters opting to change from a 6lbs to a 4.5lbs trigger.
As someone with a decent AR-10, I'd recommend getting a 17S.
>>29429019
>I somewhat question this quote because it directly contradicts my preconceived notions and illformed opinions
>The quote seems to imply the SR-25 could not hit at 800yards
No, you're only reading that far into it because you're an idiot trying to justify your previous assertions. They put scopes on and opted to carry the Mk17 because it's a LIGHT WEIGHT RELIABLE SEMI AUTO that provided adequate results.
Also, triggers have no bearing whatsoever on mechanical accuracy. A lighter trigger pull does not magically make the bullets group tighter, they can only aid in helping the shooter achieve said groups.
The stock SCAR trigger pull is average for a combat trigger, because it's a combat rifle. It just happens to be exceptionally accurate in addition to being extremely lightweight, reliable and the host of other facets that make it such a desirable battle rifle.
>>29428431
Whoever it was in >>29428395 felt the remorse of not getting FDE in the first place apparently.
Was wondering why the identifying mark and serial numbers were out of place.
>>29429178
Sometimes FDE is hard to impossible to find. Like now.
I need one in snow cammo sometime.
>>29429019
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=06036444051570723511
Probably some other reason that just accuracy. They talk about how they don't trust the SRs anymore.
>>29429140
I don't think I'm the anon you think I am. I think the SCAR is a fine rifle, and I might get one down the line. But my 'preconceived notions and ill formed opinions' are based on shooting mostly bolt rifles and the odd AR-15 at distance.
A 6lbs trigger is not conducive to tight groups at range. There is a reason match triggers and hunting rifles have <4.5lbs trigger pulls.
> Also, triggers have no bearing whatsoever on mechanical accuracy.
> They can only aid in helping the shooter achieve said groups.
So, which is it? Guns don't shoot themselves, so the snipers opted for the heavier trigger that made their job harder? Like I said, maybe it was for reliability or some other reason.
But I couldn't find the quote you linked on google ("gardner scar sr-25" didn't return much, although the first hit was an image showing the SR-25 putting up tighter 10 round groups). But just sitting there, without context, it seems to imply that his guys weren't hitting their targets until they swapped over, and I'm wondering why that was the case since the SR-25 appears to have match trigger when the SCAR does not.
>>29428889
>Guess what, good old Jim Bob behind the counter
FN Authorized
Glock Blue Label
Title II/Class 3 SOT but no civvy transfers
Yea, this guy is def full of shit. Prolly doesnt help that SOC is literally a 10 minute drive from there.
But what does he know, hes just JimBob.
Nice quote from a book, Did Chris Kyle write that? Oh wait, I bet thats from Jesse "Ace" Ventura's book....
>>29429391
The SCAR doesnt come with one.
There are single stage, double stage, and adjustable triggers out there.
>>29429391
>So, which is it?
Dont argue with stupid people, it only brings you down to their level. My guess is its Squid, aka FN-IDF fuckboy. Is there a FiveseveN thread in the catalog as well? If so, its def him.
>>29429391
>so the snipers opted for the heavier trigger that made their job harder?
No. They opted for a lighter rifle which made there job easier.
>>29429464
>No. They opted for a lighter rifle which made there job easier.
>there
Way to show us all your power level, fgt
>>29429413
>my gunstore was selling commercial SCAR's before FN even made them
Cool story bro.
>>29429489
>Reading comprehension and attention span of a preschooler
>Confirmed
>>29429521
>I aint talkin about no commercial shit
>told me it was $2400 OTD
So which is it?
Let me see some Remington 700's
>>29429600
This is a thread about quality, relevant rifles.
>>29429537
way to prove
>Reading comprehension and attention span of a preschooler
was spot on. Why dont you try that again Timmy, and read the whole sentence.
>>29429637
There is nothing wrong with the lower rifle. It just wasnt polished as much as the one above it. My question is, does the Tikka only have 2 lands instead of 4 or 6?
>>29429600
The lower rifle was made by a cerberus holding, so yes, there is something wrong with it.
>>29429637
how fucking old is that picture? i swear i first started seeing it like 3 years ago.
Do you honestly believe its still relevant?
>>29424749
>>29424754
They work perfectly, but they don't catch. You need to modify them to catch.
>>29424756
Metric FAL only FAL, L1A1 kill yourself
>>29429815
>Metric FAL only FAL, L1A1 kill yourself
>The dumbfucks couldnt standardize and made two different versions of shit.
So do you want Corn, or Stringed Peas?
Thats almost as bad as when NASA used SAE in the blueprints and the fucktards over in yurop built the parts in metric
>Hey Jim.... Why is our space shuttle a 40:62 ratio replica of what we designed?
>>29429866
Commonwealth countries and murrica with the t48 specced the rifle be in SAE
>>29429905
>Commonwealth countries and murrica
You mean the only countries that matter?
>>29424351
i would buy one right now for 2k, as all ive seen are 2600 used ad 2799+ on gb
>>29425079
heh I got my LMT for 2200$ used in 2011
>>29428262
> shrubster ACR.
>>29424351
Will second this, i've seen 1 Scar for 2100$ , but it was down off Dixie by FT knox, and already sold.
>>29420763
>being in California
Well there's your problem.
