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how does the AK12 compare to other AK's as a canadafag i cant own any ak variants
Its just an AK74m with rails, a bolt hold open and a Galil-style selector. Mechanically, its about the same gun.
>>29399399
So it's a Galil.
>>29399399
don't listen to this guy
the fire selector is more Tantal than Galil
and the gun is not a AK-74M with rail either
the bolt and bolt carrier are modified and ect
>>29399488
a tantal for comparison
>>29399375
No wood, no ak
>>29399700
AKs dont give me wood
>>29399700
>NYET RIFLE IS FINE DOVARICH XAXAXAXAXAXAX xD
Russia hasn't issued an AK with wood on it in like 30+ years.
>>29399902
Thats simply not true. AKMS were issued as recently as the second Chechen war.
>>29399902
Russia still has DP28's and PPSH41's in service from WW2.
>>29399943
these were rifles that were never taken out of service. units were not priority units.
only priority units get the new stuff. Airborne and Spetsnaz get everything first. then it trickles down to to regular units depending on location of the unit and strategic value, and if they really care enough to spend the money on them. most of the inner units use mosins, sks's, PPSH41's, DP28's, ETC. they kinda work, but they are not near anything that would justify the cost of re-arming them.
>>29400104
>Russia still has DP28's and PPSH41's in service from WW2.
It cant be true.
>>29400104
>this entire post
>>29400157
PPSH is fast cheap and works
>>29399902
Here's a picture from last year, Syria. Take a look at the guy on the right.
How's it feel to be completely fucking wrong, idiot?
>>29400157
it is.
>>29400257
>>29400271
Tachanka in R6S :^)
>>29400211
That also completely dicks over the "lol Russia doesn't issue 7,62x39 any more xaxaxaxa! Everything is 5.45!" argument too.
>>29400304
Notice the 1950s slabside AK-47 mag there, too. Russia doesn't throw anything away.
The slavs apparently really like having 7.62 still for the extra penetration it offers. Kind of like the US still issuing M14s as DMRs.
>>29400337
I think it has more to do with the "We have literally billions of 7,62x39 left"
Also
>still use Mosins
>got rid of the RPD
RPD was cool
>>29400337
I thought it was mainly for use with their new suppressors.
>>29400362
What new suppressors?
Last I heard they either had a handful of '60s era cans for 7,62, or had AS VALs and VSS' for their SOF.
>>29400211
I can't imagine how god awefully warm that must be.
>>29400433
Syria actually have snow during the winter.
>>29400438
So why do all the pictures of the Syrian conflict taken over the winter show people running around in T-shirts and shorts?
>>29400448
I just googled "syria snow"
>>29400448
>>29400438
Probably a dry cold, apparently the weather around where I live gets to minus 10-20 celcius at worst, and still I have icelandic people telling it's stupid cold, most likely because the air is so fucking moist the cold just creeps in everywhere.
>>29400427
I don't know man, I'm just repeating what I heard on /k/. Now that I think of it that's not a very good idea.
>>29400471
Now I googled "syria winter"
This picture is from Homs
>>29400471
>>29400498
Well then. I guess Syrians confirmed for retards.
>>29400471
>>29400498
>fucking syrians getting more snow than scandies
>>29400304
AKMSB is the last 7.62 rifle in service. Because B stands for suppressor.
>>29399399
>Mechanically, its about the same gun.
For you. It has bolt accelerator resulting in 1000 rounds per minute 2 round burst. But civilfags will never get this feature.
>>29400528
>syrians getting more snow
yeah... sure thing buddy
>>29400568
>not listing the AK103, AK104, AK12, and several other 7,62x39 variants that have seen at least some military issuance
Hell the AK103 had over 10,000 units issued to the Russian Federation armed forces in 1993 alone.
>>29400359
They probably decided it wasn't worth keeping around something newer when the PKM worked fine and the RPK worked better for the newer rounds and was mechanically just a beefed up AK. I want to see the back units still using mixed up mosin models and pan-nuggets.
>>29400337
>>29400427
>>29400485
They keep the AKMS in service because of the surplus of PBS-1 surpressors which only work on AKM variant rifles and technically the AK103 is in service.
>>29400682
>one squad
>4 different fucking calibers
Their logisticians must hate them.
>>29400682
The AK104 and 103 are most likely used by internal security/local SOBR teams.
pic related
>>29400721
However when the modernization program first started there were still some AKMs in use.
>>29400359
>>29400104
>Mosins still in service in Russia
what the fuck? You people realize that makes no fucking sense, right?
Why would Russians issue WW2 rifles to their military in 2016? They're giving out AKs to third-world countries like candy. Show me one goddamn picture of a Russian unit past 1980 using a Mosin.
>>29400758
mosin is still in service in finland
it has fancy stock and a scope but it's still mosin
>>29400679
While I know this to be true, their lack of a light-caliber LMG bothers me.
>but the RPD's were shot out and used up!
Why didn't they make more in 5,45x39?
>but that's what the RPK is for!
75rd drums and a closed bolt are objectively inferior to 150(+) round belts and an open bolt
>>29400776
Not talking about Finland. Their reserve units might as well be boy scouts, so not comparable to the actual Russian military.
>>29400732
Again the AKMS in conjunction with a PBS-1.
>>29400806
i was also was talking about actual finnish military
>>29400812
what camo pattern is that?
>>29400818
Again, show me. Is it an actual WW2 model or a sniper rifle?
>>29400827
They're sniper rifles. They're also still in limited use in the Russian military in active duty roles and in fairly extensive use in the Russian reserve and police forces.
Some of them are entirely new production but a majority are wartime produced receivers with new barrels.
>>29400825
1st Gen Digital Flora mixed with 2nd Gen.
>>29400827
>>29400827
Here's another pic
>>29400850
The OTs-48 has never been seen outside of demonstration tables and videos.
>>29400783
Their doctrine is not quite the same though. PKMs do the light machine gun work, suppressing and long range shooting, and they weigh the same as an RPD. The RPK is for light sustained fire, and not for full suppression like the US uses the M249. They really see no need for a light caliber machine gun since they have so many PKMs and RPKs are mechanically more reliable compared to the RPD and do not require much different tooling.
This is also the military power that uses almost every rifle variant they've produced still to this day in various units. It's not like they give a shit about it.
>>29400655
As if adoption of AK12 is a settled issue already.
>>29400917
Oh I know it's not settled, but some forces already have them.
>>29400856
searched that, results where unsavory got any product names so i could buy some pants or a shirt?
>>29400917
>tfw you'll never own the ak105/ mp5 love child
feelsbadman.jpg
>>29400987
What continent are you on? Just search Digital Flora on google it brought up a shitload of stuff for me in the EU.
>>29401030
live in Canada just autistic and cant search things properly found it tho thanks man
>>29399700
I fucking hate people like you.
Where can I buy a civilian version of this?
>>29401063
of what?
>>29401079
Presumably he means the AK-12. The answer is: You can't. Even if Izhmash produce a civilian version, it'll never get imported to the US unless relations improve massively.
>>29401079
Of the AK12.
>>29399375
More features, but it's a hell of a lot uglier.
The Ak12 has a separate piston that directs energy forward in equilibrium with the force directed backwards, substantially reducing felt recoil
>>29401093
I don't live in the USA, so it would mean that they might do one and sell it in Europe?
>>29401101
in terms of looks i actually like the 12 over the 47
>>29401109
>I don't live in the USA
In that case, possibly. I know some /k/ommandos own Saigas over there.
>>29400498
Syria is getting a STALKER mod?
Bretty Gud 5/5
>>29399375
so what is this hype of AK-12 about?
what does it bring to the table that AK-74M/ 100-series doesn't?
>railz
>>29400211
>Older AKMS
>Wood HG
D.. Does he have a slabside metal magazine?
>>29401170
>railz
>lighter
>easily suppressed
>reversible charging handle
>bolt hold open
>new FCG
>new selector
>better ergonomics
>ability to change calibers by swapping barrels
>longer sight radius
I'm sure there are more, but that's just off the top of my head
>>29401288
Like not having a massive hole in the side of the gun for dirt/mud to get in.
>>29400913
>They really see no need for a light caliber machine gun since they have so many PKMs and RPKs are mechanically more reliable compared to the RPD and do not require much different tooling.
They saw these need and RPK was Kalashnikov scam.
First of all Degtyaryov died in 1949. So RPD was left without daddy to defend and upgrade it. Kalashnikov started his crusade against all other weapons besides his own. At first at least he tried to do more or less fair. RPK got 75rd drum that was fair vs 100rd belt box of RPD (and drum is faster to reload). Though drum was tongue in the cheek solution as costs of production cut its proliferation. But again he as competing against gun whose daddy was dead.
With RPK-74 Kalashnikov went full retard dropping the drum completely. Why not? He was 'competing' against himself now and could do anything he pleases.
>>29400337
>US still using M14s as DMRs
Shut the fuck up, you don't know what you're talking about - haven't seen one since like OEF-II you fucking lying shitbird
Fucking innaccurate as fuck
>>29401472
not >>29400337, but
we used them in 08 you jackass. then we turned them in when we got back states side and picked up the brand new (at the time) M110 SASS kits. we also used M24's from desert storm that were held together with duct tape and had shot out barrels. could only use them for spotting. inaccurate to shit and could barely hit the 600m mark.
High Tier Russian Operator here, with just shy of 1,000 confirmed kills in the field.
The AK-12 is a fine rifle, but the burst capability means a more complex fire control group, which is more susceptible to being affected by particulate matter. Additionally, the bolt does not smoothly ride past these components. The rest is good though, we often are getting headshots are 150m which even AR-15s can't do, and sometimes we carry two
>>29401472
Not that guy, but I saw them in 2013 in Afg. Our unit didn't get rid of all their M14s until last year. I wouldn't be surprised if reserve units or ANG still use them.
>>29400732
I guess they don't teach trigger discipline in the Russian armed forces.
>>29400698
don't forget the RPG and grenade launchers
>>29401694
They do. In a special fool proof way. Do you see how soldiers hold AK by handguard?
>>29401755
Is that pic from a book?
you people don't know that AKMN is the standard weapon for Russia spetnsnaz, do you?
>>29401504
They are no longer have been the go-to DMR issue rifle you obtuse cunt stain
>>29401765
It's clearly from a forgotten weapons YouTube video
>>29402180
>They are no longer have been the
Your parents really should have sprung for that abortion
>>29402203
post it
>>29402180
they were in 07-08. then the army officially adopted the M110 SASS to replace the obsolete M14EBR. I know this because I followed the selection program. from that point on units were required to turn in their M14's for M110's. so yeah, since 2008 they have officially been replaced, at least on paper. up to that point though, the M14 was the DMR of choice as no one had the funding or the approval to purchase the SR25 or the MK11 rifles from KAC.
>>29402284
you are an idiot.
>>29402308
ANG still hands out M14 EBRs.
Source: I use one.
>>29402346
>you are an idiot.
The Avtomat Kalashnikova was a shitty mistake. Korobov's TKB-517 was the superior assualt rifle with the lever delayed blowback mechanism, proving to be easier to clean, more controllable in full auto, accurate and also more reliable on the battlefield. Along with the light machine gun variants TKB 516 and 523. Uncle Stalin and his dumb slav army can kiss my arse for rejecting a cheaper, superior alternative
>>29400818
Define "actual Finnish military." Because apart from high ranking officers, fighter pilots and a small special forces unit it's all conscripts and reservists.
>>29400917
>looks like an AK mated with an HK33.
Why is Sergey Koksharov so shameless?
>>29401694
I heard that Russian trigger discipline is to put finger behind trigger, so nothing could accidentally press trigger, like going thru bushes etc.
>>29400104
>Russia still has DP28's and PPSH41's in service from WW2.
Its stereotype? or are you on the games judge?
>>29403006
Or you know, you could just put on the safety to prevent that.
>>29402357
NG has to deal with State budgeting. If the State can afford it, then they'll do it, BUT, most of the time the old adage of "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it" is still practiced. I used a M16A2 with irons only for the entire time I was in the Guard. hell, my one unit I was with was still using M60's from Vietnam. only time I used anything remotely modern was my time on Active Duty.
>>29401455
The drums are fucking trash. Confirmed for never having carried one.
The 45 rounders you can actually carry with you in a sensible way. Where as you cant really carry the drum short of stuffing it into your backpack.
Also you could say being able to share magazines with your group is useful.
>>29400758
>>29400157
>>29403084
this was from some news article I read a few years ago, I think it was around(after) the Georgian war, I know it was before the AK12. It was talking about the state of the Russian military and how very little units outside of Airborne, Spetsnaz, and few primary action units got issued AK74's, using equipment that was from Afghanistan or earlier, etc. It was talking about how some of the Inland units(like far away from in kind of potential action) still had SKS's, PPSH41's, and DP28's still in service with a few lucky units only getting Mosins(few and far in between, these guys were more likely to run out of Vodka before ever seeing any actual combat). It's been a few years since. Maybe they finally upfitted them? maybe not if they're not that strategically important.
>>29402419
Apart from high ranking officers? Finland has nearly an equal amount of active soldiers as Sweden. Comprised of nco's, officers, warrant officers and specialty officers (eg. engineers & doctors (People with a civilian bachelors degree)) ..so if you want a definition of the actual Finnish military might we settle on 20k active soldiers?
>>29403598
Not buying it. The economy in the Soviet Union was fixed in its entirety. I'd be more likely to believe the stories of new in the wrapper AK74s sitting in stockpiles that always seem to crop up during Russian rifle trials than this.
AKMs of course are probably still in police and limited use. Why wouldn't they be considering they're the most prolific rifle in the world?
>>29403720
If that's what you truly believe then by all means. their economy isn't as rock solid as you think. and you said the magic word "police". different budgets, bigger cities, and still in their armories from the old KGB secret police days. and you're also assuming i'm talking about places like Moscow and St. Petersburg. I'm not.
Do you think that rural police in the US have the same equipment as the LAPD SWAT? fuck no. Same with combat essential units in the military. goes back to the issue with U.S. military units still using M14's and M16A2's and M60's and M1A1 abrams and the such.
>>29399499
This is a really misleading representation of the Tantal safety. Yes, it has that little thumbswitch on one side, but it is just something which is added to the selector. The safety on the right side of the weapon is a standard AK style.
The little thumbswitch is really stiff and you can only feasibly, easily make it go from fire to safe, but not from safe to fire.
>>29400359
I took the ak operators union class and apparently they use 7.62x39 still for barrier penetration and some units prefer the round over 5.45 for its lethality. Their words not mine.
>>29400682
That one guy with the magpul stock on his AK must get a lot of shit from the other guys.
>>29404214
>Magpul stock
>Eotech
>Aftermarket pistol grip
>Magpul loops on his mags
>Aftermarket open top MOLLE mag pouches
He is the squad gear queer.
>>29404110
Maybe there is the *belief* by the Russian troops that 7.62mm is better at penetrating barriers or is more deadlier. I guess it doesn't matter if it's true or not (I think objective testing generally shows it as a myth)- it doesn't change their reasoning.
Though I do lean more towards the side that an AKMS makes a practical suppressable rifle. Note that in the large majority of modern photos with AKMS in Russian hands, it's got the suppressor on.
>>29403598
No way. While Russia might have logistical issues, there is no way that the are unable to issue their line troops with some sort of 5.45mm rifle. I'm sure that older weapons are still around, but simply having them in the armorery and/or used in niche roles is not a sign that the Russians are *unable* to issue 5.45mm rifles. Even back in their Georgia war, the Russians had plenty of rifles, it was their ability to organize or send replacement supplies in a coherent matter that sucked.
>>29404377
>Though I do lean more towards the side that an AKMS makes a practical suppressable rifle.
Not really, they just have a shitload of PBS-1 suppressors.
>>29404393
That's what I meant. To clarify: Practically suppressable given the conditions.
If you have a 7.62 rifle and only suppressors which fit that rifle in front of you, it is more suppressable than the other rifles.
