Blades
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I know /k/ is primarily focused on guns, but its rules do stipulate that all manner of weapons are allowed here, so let's have a blade discussion thread. What bladed weapons do you like, /k/? What don't you like? Why?
Pic is is a khopesh, from ancient Egypt. Outside edge is sharp, for lethal combat, inside is dull, allowing for the 'hooked' part to trip or non-lethally incapacitate foes.
I've always admired the Kriss.
>that wavy blade mayne
I've always thought of making a compact one out of wrought iron, quenching it in holy water, and oiling it with chrism so it could be my skinwalker hunting blade.
Oh well.
>>29389485
>Outside edge is sharp, for lethal combat, inside is dull, allowing for the 'hooked' part to trip or non-lethally incapacitate foes.
That's not primarily why it is shaped like that. The curve multiplies the force of the swing, think of the protrusion like an axe head.
>>29389677
OP here.
Really? Huh. You learn something every day, I guess. Thank you for enlightening me, Anon. Though I guess the dull inside hook can be used secondarily as a non-lethal option to trip or incapacitate, right?
>>29389714
They wouldn't necessarily need to incapacitate someone on the battlefield but I guess it could be used like that
>>29389752
Well, I know that the Pharaoh's guards used these. So often, it would be more effective to capture a potential assassin alive to find out who sent them, rather than just kill the assassin. So incapacitating a foe would be a useful function of such a weapon.
>>29389797
Dude how old are you? It alright if you're like 15 I was like that when I was younger too
>>29389677
The curve was actually also used to help catch or parry an opponent's blade in combat.
>>29389907
What the hell is that based off ?
I've heard nasty things about this. It's called the Jagdkommando Tri-Dagger, and it's made in Austria, I believe. Due to its shape, it supposedly mimics the stab-and-twist movement of a normal flat-bladed knife. Apparently, you bleed out from this in like three minutes. Its blade is seven inches long too, so it goes pretty deep.
>>29389946
I heard it takes a team of surgeons to close up the wound, if they even can.
>>29389485
The boar spear.
>I'm gonna go kill a several-hundred pound beast with a pointy bit of metal on a stick
>>29389973
I heard the best way to close the wound is to put it back in
>>29389946
>>29389973
That is one evil knife.
>>29389946
we always end up back here somehow. this is why we always talk about boomsticks.
>>29389485
We used to discuss blades a lot actually. Hell there used to be tons of threads solely centered around historical weapons and armor. Now it's just glock AK and AR fanboys
>>29390232
its moved to /his/ now
>>29389572
>skinwalker hunting blade
Why do you worry about them?
>>29389946
Its not tho its a overpriced piece of shit made by microtech.
>>29390005
[METAL ACTION MUSIC]
>>29390765
>Why would you worry about them?
I wouldn't
>>29389973
>>29389946
fucking /k/ is at it again
Wife bought it for my birthday
![IMAG0375[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A3IK7Tq.jpg "IMAG0375[1].jpg")
Some of my favorite blades, always carbon steel. The kukri i chop wood and brush with all the time and ive only sharpened once
>>29389977
you are now aware that Hermann fucking Goring, a deathfat, heroin-addicted fuck, was the last person to spear-hunt boar in Germoney, ever
if he could do it, so can you
>>29391910
>someone thought this was a good design and totally not cringeworthy at all.
Kill me senpai.
>>29392296
Wife bought it for my birthday. Didn't say like it anon, but when you pull it out... I just love the shock people have on their face when they see it
>>29390227
>implying that they don't wind up in shirposting either
>>29389714
The curve also facilitated striking around a shield.
And then there's THIS.
The Macauhuitl. A wooden shaft lined with incredibly sharp obsidian blades, as obsidian can be sharpened much more than any metal can. These were devastating in battle.
Kopis
>>29392702
>sharpening
>obsidian
uhhhhhhh....
>>29392747
Yeah, you make it sharper by napping pieces off...
>>29392702
>These were devastating in battle.
Until the obsidian broke off or shattered on something hard.
Literal stone age weapon.
>>29392855
bruh in context pretty gud, but yeah they are just shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>29392855
I never said they didn't require a lot of upkeep. But the line you greentexed is true of a well-made, well cared-for macauhuitl. A skilled user with one could decapitate a horse in one swing, a feat that few other weapons of comparable size could imitate.
>>29392081
>always carbon steel
>for outdoor wood tools
Why? Carbon steel is for kitchen knives that have to be sharp. Your wood cutting doesn't need that level of sharpness, so why bother?
>>29392855
>Literal stone age weapon.
You are now aware that stone-using indios were more socially and mentally advanced than many iron-using people in the contemporary old world. Hell, the Bantus had iron-working from a very early phase in their expansion. So stone-age in this context doesn't make quite the insult you probably intended it to be.
>>29392938
I can't even fathom whats going on in your head
>>29392920
>carbon steel is for kitchen knives
>>29392389
I thought that was a Shotel is for.
>>29392898
>A skilled user with one could decapitate a horse in one swing, a feat that few other weapons of comparable size could imitate.
Well, according to Bernal Diaz (in "The Conquest of New Spain"), who was there to see it all, a mare was decapitated in one battle. He says nothign whatsoever about how much work it took, or even that the deed was actually done in combat, as opposed to dragging a dead horse behind the Aztec lines to butcher it in relative peace and safety. He doesn't say what tool was used to accomplish the deed either.
Going from that, to a macahuitl being able to decapitate a horse in a single stroke is as far as I can tell the work of a internet hearsay.
For an actual tets of a reconstruction, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S176AKQhcCk
The performance shown there isn't awful, but not exactly impressive either. And the first hit obliterated the bits of the edge that made contact.
Also worth noticing is that while Diaz is often very impressed by the Aztecs, he never says anything about the conquistadors making use of the locals stone-edged weapons. Given that they where often provided food, troops, fabric, gems and gold by the locals, and killed a good number of Aztec warriors, this doesn't appear to have been a matter of availability. He does however mention at times how the Aztecs made use of captured steel blades.
>>29393130
I think you screwed up the link there.....
>>29389714
>Really?
No, it's bullshit. People just like to make up all sorts of shit if it allows them to pretend a sword is kinda like an axe.
>>29393039
It is. Don't expect people to keep oddly curved African swords apart. many will happily think everythign that curves forward is basically the same, no matter what millennia and continent they're form.
>>29393159
Yeah, let's try that again.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/d8ezf1temrfrg1u/The_macuahuitl%2C_an_innovative_weapon_of_the_Late_Post-Classic_in_Mesoamerica.pdf
>>29392702
cooler version of that is the Hawaiian Koa. Same design but with shark teeth! They also made some knuckleduster style ones and other swords of different shapes
>>29393814
The koa looks like it would be sturdier, and probably would hurt more, but the macuahuitl would probably give you a cleaner cut. The shark teeth are serrated, so they'd rip and tear at a foe's skin, and hurt like hell, but the insane sharpness of the obsidian gives obscene slicing capacity, so clean decapitation is much more possible.
I do have to say, I think the koa looks cooler aesthetically though.
>>29389946
GUISE U KANT STITCH THA WOONDZ CLOSED
>>29389485
Nothing better for home defense, small house and apartments are safe here. God the romans did good work.
am a bit of a medievalfag with pics, just gonna post a few every now and again.
Does this count as a blade or a mace?
>>29398679
I meant blunt.
>>29389714
>>29389677
The khopesh actually evolved from the axe
it was intended as a weapon for decapitation as well as combat
>>29392920
>Carbon steel is for kitchen knives
There's literally no such thing as plain carbon steel kitchen knives outside of special snowflakes for very good and obvious reasons.
>>29398650
That thing is unlikely to have anything much in common with the Roman blades other than a vague similarity of profile. Blade cross-section is completely different for example. UC's combat commander lineup also has a "spartan sword" in it, based on the swords in 300, which I cannot consider a good sign.
>>29398688
Blunt would suggest to me that there are fully sharpened variants to be found, and that the blunt one is most likely the exception. As that's not the case here, I'd go with mace or club.
>>29392855
mfw the weapon was designed for pieces to shatter and break off into enemies' bodies
the pieces that broke away were easily replaced and required almost no upkeep such as sharpening a conventional weapon
mfw this is probably more efficient than any "iron age weapon"
>>29398709
It evolved form them, which probably explains the shape, but we should be cautious about thinking that says anything much about their handling and performance. Evolving from somethign means changing from it, giving us somethign different.
And perhaps we should be even more cautious about assuming they're all the same. They were in service for how long, a millennia? They certainly come in a wide variety of shapes at least. And from that follows that I must say I doubt the whole lot of them where specifically intended as a combat/execution double purpose blade.
18 or 21 inch machete?
>>29392746
Falcata is superior.
>>29398746
their original purpose was as a decapitation weapon
I would go find links but Im too lazy right now, I did a fuckload of research on the khopesh a while back. There is a lot more to it than just an oddly shaped sword from ancient times
>>29398744
>mfw the weapon was designed for pieces to shatter and break off into enemies' bodies
Or perhaps it wasn't, and it just happened anyway because obsidian is brittle, and thin edges of it end up extremely fragile.
Then you have to pry loose whatever remains of the old edge piece, find the raw materials, skill and tools to make a new one, and finally glue it in place.
As for efficiency, perhaps it did make it a bit harder to clean out the wounds and have them heal. But I don't see it turning a wound that isn't immediately incapacitating into one that is (by say, chewing through an important bone, or finding a major artery to open up) with any regularity. And in combat I'd be more concerned about making my opponent stop killing me right now, than whether or not he'll die of spesis sometime next week.
With that, I'll look to iron weapons that are more likely to cause gross structural damage, or penetrate deep inside to the important bits, than somethign which does less but leaves some glass shards behind.
>>29398754
Agreed.
>>29398650
ew that thing is a disgraced machete variant of a once glorious weapon
meant to be used in close quarters with a shield alongside other uniform soldiers equipped similarly
>>29398782
That sounds more plausible.
>>29398744
until you want a large blade, there's probably a reason most of those weapons are fairly blunt
>>29398784
that post says to me clearly
"I'll just make generalizations based on pictures I've seen of the weapon you're talking about but I've never actually experimented with one or watched videos of people experimenting with them"
I dont by any means consider it the greatest weapon ever created like the superior sword cutting thousand fold katana, but it is actually quite a devastating weapon and very easily capable of immediate dispatchment of enemies
>>29398792
>blunt
>knapped obsidian
nigger are you even serious, do you know that obsidian is capable of having a 3 nanometer thick blade
>want a large blade
most of the macuahuitls are the length of traditional two handed swords
do you even think before you post
Are there any tactical swords for ghetto self-defence
>>29398809
>that post says to me clearly
My post, or the one I replied to?
>>29398830
your post
there are tons of videos of people making macuahuitls and experimenting with them, and they are not as unweildy, useless, and hard to maintain as you so clearly assume
>>29398828
A machete is the most ghetto but too short if you want 2 handed sword length
>>29389572
I hope for you that your kriss doesnt get possesed by an evil spirit.
>>29398835
If you look up a bit through the thread you'll see what sources I have to work from, roughly what they say, and how I go from there to (most of) my conclusions. For the importance of a clean, true edge we can also add this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npADDOKzI5o&list=PLF9EED72E6174749A
If you have more material, feel free to share.
I've yet to say anything about their balance and handling, so where you got unwieldy form is a mystery to me. The maintenance depends on how common the tools, skills and materials to do so where, which is somethign I do not know, and as such I'm not taking for granted that it was hard or easy. The post I replied to though did nothign to show that they where commonly available, which is why I called it into question.
As for uselessness, I'll rather have a glass-enhanced club than my fists, but I'd rather have an iron blade than that club (and as mentioned above, it appears that the conquistadors and some number of Aztecs thought the same). So compare it to what you will, but in a thread about "blades" it seems to me that a ferrous blade will be the default.
monks
I'm pretty down with the Bastard sword since its so versatile
>>29398754
Maybe, but swager wise, I prefer the kopis
Bigot!
Obligatory post stating that scythes are awesome in fiction, but are completely useless and impractical as weapons in reality.
>>29398782
>weapon of terror and execution later adapted to battlefield usage
I'm amazed we didn't see Jaffa with khopeshes in Stargate given that history.
>>29390755
oh what... I didn't know this existed. When was it created?
>>29392855
Requires you to block with the flat side, but overall a really great weapon for the time. Obsidian is razor sharp.
>>29401961
Maybe the Goa'uld's presence on earth predates the Khopesh?
>>29400516
Of late, swords like that have been growing on me. Though that is probably because I've been reading the Witcher series and watching cutscenes from the games.
>>29401827
I tried to explain this to my younger brother years ago. Wouldn't have any of it.
>>29400075
These things have always scared the fuck outta me. Both in being against them and using them.
>>29403886
>Maybe the Goa'uld's presence on earth predates the Khopesh?
If we go by the movie, Ra was on Earth by 8000 BCE and all of Egyptian culture is much older than the archaeological record would suggest. The heavy implication was that the entire culture was set up to reinforce Ra's personal supremacy over the planet.
Of course SG-1 retconned a lot of stuff from the movie so you could be right for the TV continuity.
>>29403886
If you want to show your brother how shit scythes are in combat, give him one, and grab a standard longsword, then tell him to come at you.
Katana. It does cutting very well. Since katana are popular and are being produced en massed with good quality for relatively cheaper prices than less prolific swords, I can ruin one and not give a fuck.
Katana fags and antikanata fags are cancer though.
Well, swordfags are cancer in general. I don't pretend to have swordfights so that sword vs this sword is moot. All I need a sword for is cutting shit in the backyard for fun. An expendable sword that is forgiving in the cut like the katana is more than good enough.
>>29404045
If you're cutting shit in the back yard why not get something with a heavier blade like a machete? I can tell you that a katana does not stand up well to brush clearing.
>>29389572
>>29398888
>mfw I have a tattoo of a Kriss stabbing through Yin
Yeah, it's a little cringe, but I like it.
a cutlass of some sort (maybe a dutch klewang), 1796 light cavalry sabre, swiss halberd, and a knightly pollaxe are all on my wishlist.
>>29403947
If I had either at the time, I'd have gladly done so.
>>29403908
>SG-1 retconned a lot of stuff from the movie so you could be right for the TV continuity.
That's more or less what I was thinking of.
Also, has anyone bought from these sites?
http://www.forgedintime.com/handmade-swords
https://darksword-armory.com/medieval-weapons/two-handed-sword/
I've been interested in getting a real longsword for a bit of a while and wanted to know if they made quality stuff. If not, any recommendations?
Blades are cool and all (esp. pole weapons) but what about blunt weapons?
>>29389946
More vicious than sid.
Bump, nigguh, I spent forever tryna find this dank ass thread
>>29405099
Muh poleaxe nigga
>not the superior version with the butt-spike
>>29398828
There sure is
>>29392356
Does her son love it too?
Bladebump
I want to buy a gladius and scutum for home defense. Please convince me otherwise so I don't get my dumb ass killed.
>>29392702
>these were devastating in battle
No, no they weren't. They weren't supposed to be, they had spears for that. The macuauhitl was designed to incapacitate and capture enemies so that they could be sacrificed to the Aztec gods. Sacrifices were performed routinely and very often, sometimes hundreds in a day IIRC
>>29389485
This is the prettiest sword in existence, and I will never be persuaded otherwise.
A backsword type claymore is a pretty close second though, and I actually have one of those.
>>29392920
I dont like the kukri for its sharpness, it has like 30 degree total angle. I like it because Its hardness and keeps its edge even after chopping all day
>>29389485
I use this as a weapon against neckbeards.
>>29407856
Do it faggot
>>29408647
>I like it because Its hardness
kukri's are only edge treated, they are actually something like 15-25 rockwell on the spine, and will peen after moderate use and beating it with a log.
also, 5160 spring steel, not 10xx carbon steel.
And yes, 1095 is best steel for short blades, 1075/1074/1060 for longer blades.
D2 tool steel is also very good. 154CM folds over too easy, but benchmade gets them sharper than fuck at the factory. 440C is decent for tableknives.
CPM steels are literal shit. you are better off using cast iron.
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I like wedge
>>29408734
Nice.
So this is probably a stupid question, I'll admit that right now - but how impractical is a double-bladed sword?
Also, I apologize for the picture, It was the best I could find quickly.
>>29412146
What would this do that a regular sword or polearm couldn't do better?
>>29412175
That's exactly my question. I know next to nothing about double-bladed swords. I'm asking /k/ for any information on their pros and cons.
>>29412146
Compared to a normal sword you'd probably end up extremely restricted in what you can do, least you end up gutting yourself (or if sufficiently armoured, simply get in the way of the blade that's currently rearwards).
And with an entire second blade weighting down the ass, you probably won't have much authority whenever blade meets blade.
Doing more of a double ended polearm like that one could perhaps make things a bit better as you get more grip in the middle to work with, but since people worldwide have almost universally gone for single ended pole arms, possibly with a metal cap or so on the other end, I doubt it's a very good idea.
In short, very impractical.
>>29412251
>I know next to nothing about double-bladed swords.
There's very little to know, since they basically don't exist.
With all the stuff floating around from wild experiences to pure conversation pieces never thought to have any practical use, double ended daggers are decidedly rare, and double ended swords... I don't think I've ever seen such a thing outside of modern day fantasy artwork/fiction.
>>29412299
>>29412355
Okay, thank you to both of you. Your posts were quite enlightening.
>>29405099
>Bec-du-corbin best corbin.
Opinions on the balisong?
I like that it can be sheathed and unsheathed quickly and with one hand. Beyond that, I don't know much about the thing, other than its design is Filipino.
